For a 12 year COIN operation, sure. Thats kinda moot though, because they were created to fight a "hot" cold war. Its like spending the better part of 50 years building a stock car in your garage and then getting upset that it under performs when you enter it in the WRC.
>>28471901 They are good general purpose and light movement vehicles.
They are fuckawful at being armored vehicles. The underside isn't built with the assumption of getting hit with IEDs. The 1114, 1151, and various other FRAG-phase kits make them suck. The armor is all bolted on steel meaning it is incredibly heavy while still only being mildly useful. The weight destroys the suspension and makes them difficult to drive up even mild slopes, forget about real off-roading. The interiors become extremely cramped and the doors aren't hydraulic, so getting out is a pain. Armored turrets on top take up even more room inside and make the whole package even heavier.
An armored humvee is a real shitshow. MaxxPros aren't great but are a straight step up when you want a medium armored vehicle still able to go off-road. MATVs are better, and stuff like JERRVs and Buffalos make for great heavier convoy vehicles.
>>28472337 They were designed as jeep replacements as utility and light movement vehicles. They work well for that, and the US still uses similar vehicles in roles when it needs light movement. They were never intended to be APCs. Actually most soft skin humvees I've been in didn't even bother attaching doors at all, in case you needed to bail out or do some real gangster shit with your rifle.
>>28472164 They are. It is extremely uncommon to see these used by the US in a deployed area. Almost everybody uses some form of purpose built armored vehicle.
They still get used in garrison a bit as utility trucks.
>Be a terrorist >Capture thousands of Humvee armored military trucks >OTS commercial trucks are actually better for your transportation needs >Only use you can think of for the shitty US vehicles is to make VBIEDs out of them
>>28472464 >They were designed as jeep replacements as utility and light movement vehicles I never understood the line of thought behind that. It's massive, costs a lot more that a M151, and isn't actually very spacious or powerful. Why don't use (a new version of the) jeep and light trucks instead ?
>>28472464 In my area there's a small NG depot, nothing but unarmored humvees and some sort of heavier truck. They've literally never been moved in the 23 years I've lived here, far as I've heard it. Obviously that's not literally true, but yeah.
>>28471901 These things were built as a multi-mission replacement to the CUCV with actual combat capabilities. How they were used and the environment with which they operated in were the problem. Truck is fine.
>>28472677 Using a truck with a pintle mounted gun as a ride to a good vehicle orp prior to dismounted movement does not a combat vehicle make. If there's any threat of contact on the route, you'd best believe the boys are walking.
swap in your own. i bet that ecoboost or whatever from the new fords is badass in a small truck. cummins is putting minidiesels in nissans next year. get a pre2005 duramax and fill it with literally anything. used motor oil, kerosene, vegetable oil, a little bit of diesel, whatever. its called black diesel, look it up son
>>28472354 Protectionism is a bipartisan issue. Democrats hate free markets, and Republicans like the idea of sealing the borders and pretending our manufacturers are still as top notch as they were 60 years ago.
>>28472638 >Yea because fighting soviet light tanks in humvees is going to turn out well, right?
You are totally correct the humvee was designed to frontally engage Soviet afv. It was actually designed as a response to the Soviet t72. Although a little lighter armored, it had good mobility and the firepower of a spindle mounted m2 50 Cal made up for it.
>>28473035 (not the dude you replied to) I don't think these humvees are any good for traversing any temperate climate forests. They are kinda wide. It would be limited to forest roads while russian BMD's and MTLB's would have the freedom to mow down smaller trees while in forest.
Terrible armored cars. No visual awareness for the driver. High center of gravity, especially with the turret.
But it has ac.
Really we needed to adopt an BMP but for what ever reason they developed the mrap and up armored the Humvee which is really only diesel for scouts and support roles. I think the 113 was the closest we had to troop transport discounting soft top lmtv/5tons
>>28474268 dat 454 will be worth serious money if you take care of it. 4l80 was on tow package trucks a lot back then. if 2wd and base model, 305 isnt too weird. vortec 5.7 is superior in every way, but if it works, fuck it lol
>>28474300 oh for sure, the 305 offers nothing the 350 doesnt do better. Its a Silverado, not Cheyenne trash, so the 305 is out of place aswell.
She fucking smothers her truck. Everyone gives me shit since my wife beats me in a dick waving contest, but her truck is one step away from a fucking trailer queen. Mine on ther other hand gets used as proper /k/ommando would use his truck.
>>28474387 she bought it after driving my truck to work for months. I drove her 07 Focus to base 30 miles away erday, compare that to her 4 mile trip to work. One day she comes at me saying she wants to trade her Focus for a 454SS because she liked my truck so much. I was down, only doenside was the our new most fuel effecient vehicle for me to drive to work was now ny truck getting 14mpg, hers getting a staggering 8-9mpg.
Had a Delsol that I fucking loved for about a month but blew it up. Sold for $500, only payed $700.
They break constantly. Like, a frightening amount. If a civilian F-150 doesn't make it to 150,000 miles with an occasional oil change then suddenly Ford is the shitties truck company to ever shit out a truck. If a HMMWV makes it a month without something breaking, its nearly a miracle. But for some reason its acceptable to have an entire MOS dedicated to fixing wheeled vehicles and they can barely keep units at 100 percent.
They are exceptionally uncomfortable. The soft sided ones have shitty seats which are little more than a thin pad on a sheet of metal, the engine makes the passenger compartment into an oven, and in the cold there is no insulation and the heating can barely unfog a window let alone keep a person warm. The armored ones are alright, but a base model bare bones Ford Ranger from 1990 is more spacious and comfortable. On caveat, if the air conditioner breaks you will cook to death in an uparmored HMMWV.
They are incredibly loud, like, you are supposed to wear ear protection in the truck. Its a good thing these arent used in combat situations in which commands have to be relayed vocally (that was sarcasm, you have to yell to be heard)
IED resistance aside, which isn't great, they are just the shittiest trucks ever.
>>28474753 never said it was delfast. It was fun car though, targa tops are the shit but the roll down rear window is the best feature. Plenty of jdm fagbois were begging me to do sweet mods but fuck all that. They were pissed that a racecar was "wasted" on me.
How does the military get all its equipment to places like Iraq and Afghanistan? Do they take it by plane or boat to the country it needs to get to? And are vehicles then driven to whatever base they need to be at, or are they flown in?
>>28475109 Depends. During an invasion you're probably driving it in, maybe airdropping the lighter stuff. It comes from the nearest friendly base (in a Middle East invasion, that's Turkey, Kuwait, or UAE) that it has been flown into by plane. Smaller gear is all packed into shipping containers also taken by plane.
In an established place like Afghanistan or Iraq, it's flown in on big planes to the major airfields and then driven or flatbedded out to smaller posts.
Humvees and other lighter vehicles can be slingloaded to helicopters for relatively short distances, but they don't like dongling that in combat areas because it makes the helicopter very vulnerable. I have seen Chinooks slingloaded in stuff like generators, but they did it when there was the protection of more Apaches in the sky than sky.
>>28472185 I was there in 2004 with the Marines. Our first sergeant got one of our guys killed in Najaf by making him drive one of those unarmored humvees for an unnecessary reason (field chow as I recall), wasn't the first guy either, back in '99 he got a young 0331 real life killed (in my opinion) during training. Then best of all he got promoted to E-9 and retired as though he were a fucking hero. Makes me sick, he actually attended both funerals too, or did we want to have a discussion on shitty senior NCOs.
Yuropoor could get chicken shipped from 'Merica way cheaper than grown locally. Governments feared farms would go out of business then could only get chicken from the U.S. So they imposed a tariff to make the prices even or higher to save local farmers.
U.S. farmers pissed but LBJ didn't want to start a tradewar over something stupid, so he picked the most illogical thing to tax at the time --Volkswagen transporter-based pickups. Thus all trucks coming in the US now have a 25% tax.
The drivers seat on a soft sided HMMWV has a spring system, they are ALRIGHT. The passenger seat is literally on top.of the battery compartment, a thin seat on top of the battery compartment.
I drove an HMMWV for two hours on rough shit terrain at 10 miles an hour, we needed to bring the E-7 sitting in the passenger seat to the rear lines for treatment die to the severe back pain he suffered from the ride.
A bare bones Ford Ranger, the cheapest one ever sold, would be better than and HMMWV ever sold and cost a fraction the price.
>>28472754 Funny thing about all those lessons we "learned" we tend to forget them almost immediately after. I'd say the world in general is behaving a lot like WWII Germany with our obsession with expensive wonder weapons.
>>28471901 >be me >be at Minot AFB >-40 outside >in a fucking humvee >fuck my life, no heat >2 hours from base >ran out of food hours ago >get back after working 16 >"hey anon, we need more manpower, you need to be back in 7 hours. mfw welcome to the dream, just remember nightmares are dreams too
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