How do we perfect the art of swordfighting?

>>28467624
Ask George Silver.

>>28467624
protip; it's already been done for 1000 years.

>>28467624
Win a lot

>>28467624
Take classes.

>>28467624
use guns

>>28467659
thread/

>>28467624
It's been done.

Small sword is best sword.

>>28467624
that has got to be the dumbest thing i have ever seen

these recreationists piss me off

>>28467740
Were you there?

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>using your butterknife dull sword as a club in a scripted fight

>>28467624
Get people into it, these days.

'Fencing' is not sword fighting anymore.

>>28467624
>Mr. Rogers vs The Kingdom of Make Believe

>>28467774
It's called half swording. It was an effective technique against heavily armored opponents. The idea is that the pommel is a fucking mace.

That shit would easily stun people long enough to get them on the ground and a knife through the visor/armpit.

>>28467740
>>28467815

>>28467624
buy a gun

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>>People in this thread not realizing that half swording was a historical fighting technique

>>28467810
Top kek

>>28467624
Using a katana.

>>28467624
By making the swords shoot bullets

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>>28467740
>>28467774
>doesn't know of half-swording
>doesn't know of mordhau

>>28468276
I like to think of it like how in anime you can shoot a blade of wind out of your sword, but we are too dumb to realize ancient tapestries were the equivalent the peasantry had back then.

>>28468276
>"really dude?"
>"LMAO GOTCHA"
>"fuck my life"

>>28468595
Murderstroke, mah niggah

>>28468595

Why not just bring a mace?

>>28469179

can't stab with a mace

>>28469179
actually unlike most people think swords werent the main weapon. Most time it was a mace a hammer or axe

>>28468851
So tell me, how did they use swords back then? Just swing it at people even with armor?

>>28469254
Spears too or some other weapon that required 2 hands. Swords were a sidearm, similar as being the proverbial pistol.

>>28469217
That is what daggers are for. Throw or knock down the tin can onto the ground, and stab that neck of his.

Go to Japan where its still considered an art and not some weekend renaissance fair show where a bunch of grown men larp while drunk off turkey legs and piss beer

>>28467774
actually, swords are more often than not, pretty dull, it's acombination of WEIGHT and a edge that makes swords cut, not edge alone (because a sharp edge would also be a FRAGILE one, which is not a good thing when you whacking it against another hunk of metal), simple leather gloves would be enough to prevent a fighter from cutting his hands when fighting with the pommel (using it like light mace) or using the crossgaurd (using it as a war pick)

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>>28469487
>Japan
>perfecting any form of combat ever

ITT; people who have never heard of fencing.

>>28467624
Why didn't he just use his arm to deflect his blade.

>>28467680
>Small
wtf, my mang? the rapier is the pinnacle of man v man swords. many treatises mention how longer reach is better, and how swords were secondary to polearms in military fighting.

>>28469487
yep fighting with katanas that have been folded a thousand times is a noble and proud tradition unlike the western piggus who bullied me in high school
a noble katana is a tool of justice to kill peasants, no fun allowed

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>>28467774
>Swords are supposed to be razr shrp

>>28467624
Go to /asp/ and check out the HEMA general.

>>28469545

So even a dull sword can cut? I thought fighting in heavy armor involved more wrestling type styles ending with a dagger through the eye socket

>>28469952
There are two ways to cut with swords

There's swinging the fucking thing as hard as you can like a cleaver, and there's drawing it across your foe to slice. Neither of these require it to be particularly sharp but it must still be sharpened, yes.

If you have to fight someone in armor you want either a mace to smash it and kill their mobility, break the bones underneath etc or if you're lucky hit them in the helmet and give them a concussion and knock them over.... or like you've said, you want something short and pointy and maneuverable that fits through the gaps - visor is good, up under the armpit is good, but anywhere there's a gap is also good.

Or you can get a war pick and go straight through the armor but you better pray it doesn't get stuck or hit the slightest bit sideways because then you're done.

Swords were the shitty generalist weapons and are best compared to pistols. They worked best against unarmored opponents in close quarters, because then you've got better reach than most maces/axes/clubs and you can thrust with it as well. It can do a piddling/okay job subbing in for a mace or pick when you've got to fight someone that has worthwhile armor but it's really much better to have dedicated anti armor weaponry, like a flanged mace. They're also relatively expensive, being full metal.

The most important similarity between swords and pistols and the reasons swords are so big in the history books is that they were weapons of honor. They were nobles' weapons, for dueling each other over love and house and all the other high faulting things the inbred fucks got into conflicts over. And because the nobles had a monopoly on the written word, that's all we see today.

>>28470068

There were a lot of people that died because they decided to have a duel and the pickee went with swords. They proceeded to slice the shit out of each other (and especially their hands) because neither of them really knew what they were doing. One guy would finally finish the other guy off, and then that surviving guy would die three or four days of agony later from bleeding/infection/being a stupid shit.

>>28469952
When fighting a dude in full armor, your objective isn't to cut him, (because you can't,) but to stab him or inflict BFT. It's not exactly wrestling; the thing with wrestling is if you've beaten and exhausted a guy to the point where he's going to lie down and accept being stabbed in the face, you are likely not in very good shape yourself.
Rather, 'heavy' armor isn't actually as heavy and restrictive as one might think; nor is it really so protective. You would be fairly limber, and would have practiced and drilled so that you could mount an attack quickly enough as to overwhelm an opponent; there being, again, little sense in trying to cut an armored opponent, much of the time you would be using your sword (if you were using it at all, instead of your preferred pollaxe) as a big metal stick with which you could grapple and strike, and make the occasional opportunistic thrust. And, for these purposes, grabbing the blade is a very effective means of giving you flexibility and leverage.
So the end state is less so a dagger through an eye-socket, and more so a sword-point through the gap between, say, the chest and the shoulder armor which opens the axillary artery, or a spike of a crossguard delivering a wonderful little concussion. And then you could go back to chopping up unarmored peasants with your big, heavy, but semi-sharp sword.

>>28469545
>you whacking it against another hunk of metal
something to be avoided for obvious reasons
also on longer swords only the very end of the blade is sharpened

>>28470112
>also on longer swords only the very end of the blade is sharpened

Yeah, if you're a Landsknecht and you've got a big honking Zweihander and the entire point of the blade is to knock all the enemy pikes out of the way so you can close on them without literally pushing your front four lines or so onto their pikes kebab style until they're useless.

Better the lower portion of the blade is dull so you can grab it for better leverage since that's most of what you're going to be doing with it

>>28470086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxM6cG2nsik

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Assuming you mean you and your goofy friends here is how you do it :(

1. Get some people as "serious" as you are.
2. Obtain some heavy wooden sticks.
3. Beat the hell out of each other.
4. Let nature be your teacher.
5. If you die or get permanently disabled
- you were just too weak

>>28467648
>George Silver.
b-tier fencer from that little island. Ask Meyer, Liechtenauer or one of the Italian gents, they will know better.

>>28470156
>Yeah, if you're a Landsknecht and you've got a big honking Zweihander and the entire point of the blade is to knock all the enemy pikes out of the way so you can close on them without literally pushing your front four lines or so onto their pikes kebab style until they're useless.

Interesting to see how ofthe this shitty meme is repeated over and over on /k/

Seriously guys, stay with the guns, swords are just not your thing.

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>>28467624

>>28467624
> Mages trying to use swords

>>28467815
>muh stuns

>>28469269
https://youtu.be/EDkoj932YFo?t=399

what is wrong with you people. stabbing with the sharp tip, what do you think its shaped like that?

>>28470194
>never use a low guard
>then proceeds to teach Posta di Falcone
>teaches one of the least versatile/most obscure Italian stances
>while shitting on Tutta Porta di Ferro, Mezza Porta di Ferro, Dente de Zenghiar, all defensive stances that keep the sword below the waist line

It was an entertaining film, but shit on the fighting point of view.

>>28471592
So what's the meme here? I was under the impression that landsknecht were for breaking up pike blocks?

>>28471943
Exelent Bait My lord.

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>>28467624
Just practicing and reading lots of manuals (old books better).

>>28472048
>landsknecht
Is a generic term for German mercenary soldiers, and Bidenhänder swords where rare, even rarer in battlefield use and breaking up pike formations was not their intent and hacking away pike heads is just pure bullshit.

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>>28469487
~uguu~

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>>28472041
>he uses the low guard

>>28472319
Source?

>>28468851
>I like to think of it like how in anime you can shoot a blade of wind out of your sword, but we are too dumb to realize ancient tapestries were the equivalent the peasantry had back then.

I like to think of it that you were dropped on your head as a baby, which explains why you're possibly this fucking stupid.

Here's a hint. We have somewhere in the region of 3-400 different texts by maybe 200 different authors, in about 5-6 different countries, who all write in detail, not for "peasants", and in books on the techniques of sword fighting, not "tapestries". Those books are about the techniques to use to win judicial duels, and warfare, not the coloring books you like to use crayons in.

>>28470112
>also on longer swords only the very end of the blade is sharpened

And there's yet another myth that's completely wrong.

Blades were sharp along the entire length. They just tended to be SHARPER toward the tip.

a few inches from the cross, it might be sharp like a steak knife. A few inches from the tip, it might be sharp like a well-honed chisel. Both are sharp.

>>28467740
>>28467774
>>28467815
>>28468276
>>28468595
>>28469073
Nah, it's dumb because the armoured man is also halfswording against an unarmoured target, and pulling his attacks (for obvious reasons of not BTFOing the unarmoured demo expert)

>>28471913
fucking mace stun needs to be nerfed

>>28467624
Not a good idea to open such thread with video of two fagots doing scripted fight.

>>28472548
if course. for a TV programme, they should just tell the two combatants to do what the fuck they like, right, then make a programme around it.

its not like they were doing that specific technique to show what it was, and the specific choice of armoured and unarmoured, to depict what is drawn in the fechtbuch the documentary was about, were they?

>>28472859
Excuse me sir, you levels of AUSTISM are TOO LOW for this thread. Please REEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>28472859