went to AF recruiter this morning, took practice ASVAB, scored really well he said. the problem is that both jobs i was interested in aren't available or in very limited quantity (like .9% or .45% chance of getting them). he really pushed crypto linguist, EOD, security forces or special aircraft maintenance. so i called my army recruiter (sgt. shieet for those who frequent these threads) and she said the job i want is available, but its based on my ASVAB score. i told her i'm taking ASVAB monday, and if i get the score i need, I'll sign the papers with her that day. if i don't, guess i'm learning arabic. anyone familiar with DLAB? i also have the current AF job availability chart, SF86 packet, and PAST form if anyone would like a copy
>>28463717 Here's the thing mate. You want to be 11x. I can figure you want to operate. But, you want to be 11x during peacetime military. That means a lot of mopping and sweeping grass. Why don't you hit the fucking gym and go for option 40. It's a bitch. I have 2 friends that recently passed RASP and got their scrolls. It's hard as fuck and loads of people wash out. They literally look for reasons to drop people. They don't want you there. But if you make it, you'll be much happier.
>>28464046 Yeah I get what you're saying and I definitely have looked into option 40 contracts but I'm not sure, if I do drop out then I'm most likely stuck in the 82nd... It'd be much better to hang in Italy for four years guaranteed than to be sucking with the 82d.
>>28464228 Well if you have this attitude then you'll definitely not make it through RASP. Yeah if you tried out and failed more than likely you'd get stuck in the 82nd. That's where most ranger rejects and dropouts go. Play it safe and just get your option 4 then. But if you want to be able to choose where you go then you better be a PT stud and squared away.
>>28464266 One of them Said he absolutely smashed the final PFT. The max is 300. That's 100% on everything. The max pushups is 75. So everyone you get after that is a theoretical bonus point. Same with every extra rep on situps after the max and even seconds earlier than the max on the run. All of his bonus points put him in the 340ish. The other friend got a 298 at the end of basic
>>28464264 So you're telling me I can't get 173rd in my contract then? And do you know your two friends apft scores prior to leaving for basic? I'm currently at 12:50 2 mile run, 50 push-ups, 80 sit-ups, 10 pull-ups.
>>28464318 Honestly your scores are pretty good minus your pushups. If you had the heart and mindset you stand a realistic chance at RASP.
here's why : those scores you have now, minus pushups, will mean a very easy time in baic.
You'll improve at basic, you'll improve at OSUT, you'll improve at Pre-RASP. That's a lot of improvement for some scores that are already more than decent. Honestly don't know about getting 173rd in contract but I highly doubt it. Best you can do is option 4 and be a physical stud
So you've decided to enlist. You're not just going to be some REMF or POG schmuck. You're going to operate. Trying to decide which Special Operations unit you're going to join is actually a lot trickier than it sounds.
Let's go down the list from least to most respectable:
Air Force Combat Controllers and Pararescuers are eliminated right off the bat because they're fucking Chair Force. If you're in the USAF and you're not flying a fighter, you've fucked up.
Coast Guard ASTs? Are you kidding me? Coast Guard? Get the fuck out. You can be a lifeguard at the Y.
Marine Raiders are pretty cool but they're also pretty new so no one knows them and no one will care when you tell them you are one. Also, Marines are generally dumb as shit.
The Army Rangers should be near the top of anyone's list. The last famous Ranger, though, was Pat Tillman and he was shot by his own guys. Half the Army has a Ranger tab on their shoulder so no one will care if you're a real Ranger. Plus, it's impossible to tell people you were in the Army without people thinking you weren't tough enough for the Marines.
The Army Special Forces are extremely cool and everyone respects them, but as a Green Beret, you will be doing a lot of helping dirty-ass locals with their problems. Fucking waste of time. Do you want to be in the Peace Corps or do you want to operate?
The Navy SEALs are a great choice. Everyone respects the hell out of them, but "American Sniper" made them all look like a bunch of goofballs except for Chris Kyle, who was a liar. Worse, the Navy's dress uniform is as faggy as the rest of the Navy.
But there is another option: The GCP is France's version of the Rangers. To join them you have to join the Foreign Legion first and serve there for a couple of years. But then, you're fighting for France. So fuck that.
As you can see, there's no perfect choice, but such is life among the elite warriors of America: you have to sometimes make do with what you're given.
>>28464359 at basic? really? i always hear the navy seal candidates lose a bit of their fitness at OCS because theyre not challenged enough there. like shouldnt you already come in as a pt stud and wreck basic?
>>28465276 If you're going in to take the ASVAB, you might as well knock out the DLAB at the same time so that you know your options as a linguist.
What you're talking about is how the AF fills its less-wanted jobs, they get you in because you're hoping for a certain job and then they talk you out of it. You'll have to decide if being in the AF is worth it enough for you to justify not having the job that you want.
Quality of life in the AF is obviously better, but Army does have the advantages of better pay and, as you found out, better chance of doing exactly what you want. It's a trade off.
>>28465301 The DLAB is cool. First section is listening to a guy with a thick middle eastern accent. He says a bunch of gibberish and you have to multiple-choice pick out what he said.
Second section is all pig latin. They throw language rules at you and see how long you can hang.
Last section is pictures.
There's a study guide on Amazon/Kindle.
Yes, they need people to speak all sorts of languages, not just ching chong and derka derka. Just realize that the Army only goes to shitty places, and learning French is going to put you in southern Africa or Haiti, not France.
>>28465312 you're right, the trade off is right down the middle; army pay plus job i want, air force education plus quality of life. however, as my army recruiter pointed out, army has linguists too. I'm assuming your trip is/was your job, so I'll assume further that you took DLAB. did you get a language choice or was it based on the needs of the army?
Long story: for my field, you put together a wish list and apply. If they select you, you get offered the job, your language, and your region at the same time. If you turn it down, you can never apply again.
Arabic wasn't my first choice (or my second), but the field is more important to me than getting exactly my region choice.
So I've got a really good shot at getting a nuke contract with the Navy. But for some reason I feel really drawn to combat. I'm worried that my time in the Navy will be spent regretting not joining the Marines instead. What would you guys do in this position?
>>28463152 Alright, before you guys take a big shit on me, hear me out.
My brother is arty in the army. From what I can gather so far (he hasn't gone to his unit yet but was on hold before his arty ait for like 3 months) life in combat arms consists of waking up to do PT, do some kind of sweeping or cleaning, then staying in barracks playing video games until sleep.
He hates this.
I love the sound of this. Are you kidding me?!! Getting paid with benefits and housing to do some exercise, do some bitch work and play video games with your buddies all day? That sounds amazing! Doing nothing and hanging out with friends is my purview.
My question is, can I expect this kind of lifestyle if I join infantry? Yes, yes, yes, I will hate policing a parking lot and hate my life and become an alcoholic and hang myself etc.
But it actually sounds like a lot of fun. And my brother made going out in the field and doing maneuvers fun. But I'm not fooling myself. I realize I will hate some things about it, just like anything, but I don't see the negative here.
You come out with a unique experience that not many can say they have, and if I really end up hating it, I can re class into another MOS or just pick up that free college.
>>28465421 >But for some reason I feel really drawn to combat.
No, you THINK you feel drawn to combat. Never having been in combat, you don't know if you're drawn to it or not.
What you're drawn to is a civilian's perspective of military glory. You want to be able to tell funny stories to people about that time Pvt. So-and-so shit his pants after your Bradley rolled over an IED or something. Then get serious and tell a story about how Pvt. What's-his-name had a panic attack and was killed. Still keeps you up at night, man. Then everyone who was not in the military will be super-jealous of your great experiences.
Contrast that to a civilian's expectation of life in the Navy. >I have a boring job. Also, it's on a boat. Also, I don't get paid much.
In reality, your combat arms job in the Marines will be four years of sweeping and cleaning: busywork to keep you occupied because you will not be going to war any time soon.
In reality, a nuclear rating will be an incredibly stressful, but (sometimes) quite interesting job that puts you on some of the coolest vessels the Navy has.
>>28465575 Surprisingly accurate. However, it's not telling the stories that interests me. It's being there for the stories. It's the idea of being closer to death than I ever have been before. The adrenaline when I know I could die at any moment. I'm a typical white boy who grew up in the suburbs. The closest to death I've been is losing my cat, or my great grandmother.
Yeah, a nuclear rating would put me on some pretty awesome ships. And yes, the benefits after my enlistment would be much better. But would I have grown as much as an individual on a spiritual level? Not in a million years.
But to be fair, you're right. I am a civilian. And undoubtedly combat is a hell that I THINK I could handle, but probably couldn't. But how am I going to know if I don't try?
>>28465551 i want to go in, take ASVAB, deflect deflect deflect on signing any commitment or anything, then take my scores next door to the army and see if i have the correct ST and GT scores to get the job i want (35g or 12y). i like the sound of AF education and quality of life, but its not what i want to do, career wise.
>>28465678 >It's the idea of being closer to death than I ever have been before. The adrenaline when I know I could die at any moment. >I'm a typical white boy who grew up in the suburbs.
You're halfway through a foot patrol in Panjwayi. The next thing you know, you wake up in Germany missing your legs, balls, and dick. You receive a medical retirement from the Army as an E-3. You're paid as a PFC for the rest of your life, but incapable of working to make more money without losing your benefits. Everyone feels bad for you, which makes everything worse because the last thing that you want is to be pitied. You don't feel like you earned your combat badge or your medals because you "never did anything." The only person you share your "war story" with is your therapist.
>>28465678 As a typical white boy from the suburbs, I think you'd actually find being on a ship far more fulfilling.
I assume, being from the suburbs, you're reasonably intelligent. I assume, also, that you feel a little isolated/sheltered/insulated.
I can tell you from personal experience that being intelligent in an infantry regiment fucking sucks. The sense of esprit de corps simply doesn't exist. Your fellow soldiers are not your brothers and you can't willingly let yourself drink the kool-aid about how the man next to you is your brother-in-arms. You know the guy. You know he's a fucking moron. You also know he's a coward and the second anything gets heavy, he will turn on you. You can't relate to the people around you. You can't talk to the officers either, because the officers just see another dumb fuck infantryman.
Maybe it's different in the Marines, I don't know. I doubt it's too different, though.
so I may have fucked up, /k/. I went to an AF recruiter a few moths ago and my dumb ass didn't fully commit to the lie, told them I had smoked weed a few times in high school, like 6 years ago. how would that affect my job choices, or my enlistment chances for that matter?
>>28465895 Different guy, but for me it is because I don't understand the military very well. I want a job with a security clearance, and I'm scared they'll look into my past and find that I lied to the recruiters and doctors at MEPs. Then bing bang boom, clearance not granted.
>>28465895 It's not illegal in the state I'm in, nor the country my family was stationed for the past 10 years. that said, I have a hard time believing ANYone that says they never smoked, how the fuck a recruiter not be thinking 'this dude looks like he smokes/used to smoke'
>>28465954 No of course they're not fucking psychics or something. But I've read about how for TS clearance they will speak with friends, family, neighbors etc. and ask them questions about me. All it would take is a couple of people who aren't the best of friends with me to say that they've seen me smoke and I'm screwed. But then again I'm just super fucking paranoid.
>>28465995 the sf86 tells you to list everywhere you've lived or worked in the past 10 years, all your family members, and 3 non-family references. they are looking for discrepancies. and they will probably call your 3 references.
Remember: The investigator doesn't give much of a shit about what your references say. The interview is basically "Is Anon a terrorist? No? Great, now please point me to some more references so I can get less bullshit answers."
>>28466534 I really want to go for Navy Corpsman, I already have a little medical experience under my belt, and want a job where I can go further down that road, but I know historically corpsman is overmanned, so I'm hoping for the best. My recruiter however is trying to push me towards doing nuke, which I'm trying my best to consider, but have my concerns. Specifically I want to be a SARC, but that requires me to get a corpsman rating first.
Should I try to be less picky about what job I'm willing to sign up for? And is it possible if there are no corpsman jobs availible I can say no thank you to the people at MEPS, but go for the Air Force instead, since I do have some interests in their jobs?
They're OPM investigators. Sounds like a pretty sweet life to me though, hitting up 2-star hotels and road tripping all around the small towns of America for interviews. Guarantee you it is 100 % more exciting than most jobs at OPM.
Anon is right, don't settle, but don't really expect them to cater to you either. 95 ASVAB is good...but it also means that they see a candidate like you every 20 people. They'll push hard-to-fill jobs that require high scores (like nuke), but if you say you want something that isn't possible to get then they aren't going to make it appear.
That said, Corpsman is pretty common. If you hold out for it you'll get it.
>>28466725 >They'll push hard-to-fill jobs that require high scores (like nuke)
This. After I took my ASVAB, the lady at the desk at MEPS tried to get me to talk to the Navy career counselor (for nuke) despite the fact that I had showed up with an Army recruiter. "Oh, you're too smart to be in the Army, be a nuke" etc etc.
>>28466788 If they are wandering around your neighborhood, they're not looking for character references. The real reason they're there is to see if you lived where you said you lived. They want to make sure you weren't actually at a terrorist training camp in Yemen.
Has anyone had experience with or even conversed with someone who was actually attached to some sort of SOF? From what I can gather, it's mostly just guys who look at everything as "I do my job" and they're the most serious of the group of the most serious. How many of them have gone to college is the real question I have, and are the ones who did more likely to have had the opportunity to try for SOF? All of these threads make it seem like getting any sort of job in the military whatsoever is virtually impossible. Make up your mind, I'm thinking that if I ever enlist I'd rather have some sort of high ranking admin job than a shitty infantry job by the way most of the people describe it, unless you're in some sort of unit where people are serious about what they do, and not stuck with a bunch of people who joined on a whim or because they had no other choice. Everyone in these threads pretty much just seems to say there's no reason to even try for any sort of "operator-tier" job unless you're a superhuman and shit, whereas I feel most of the time you just have to decide if it's really what you want and if not, your mind will find a way to rationalize otherwise. I agree that most of the people who try to get there are Bowe Bergdahl types who thought when they enlisted they would end up climbing the ranks and becoming the best of the best with zero effort, and then end up in some backwards-ass camp in the middle of ShitStan. And in reality, all of the time you see these guys who are super-soldier SOF guys, they're dudes who worked their fucking asses off from day one, not super athletic people who were born into the position of "Operator" I'm no authority, but my best advice would just be not to be a pussy and say "I can do that" instead of "I'm going to do that"
>>28466862 I've never heard of anyone who failed to get a clearance because of their references. It's almost always financial problems that keep people from a clearance. Runners up are drug/alcohol use and various other criminal things.
Thinking of attempting to get an Army OCS slot after I graduate from college. i want to go into either CA or MISO but from what I understand CA requires that you are capt or above and MISO 1st lt or above. Which branch/mos should I pick in order to be more marketable to CA or MISO when I am eligible to submit a package to one of them?
>>28466907 then i'm good. i wish i could use family as references. my father was in intelligence for almost 15 years, step mom 10 years at pentagon, mom was overseas contractor for 5 years, step dad was SF for 25 years and now DoD contractor. they should just stop at the family page of my sf86 because obviously there's nothing to hide lol
>>28467002 There's a "wish list" on the DA form 61 as part of your application packet in which you number your top branch choices 1-10. It means absolutely nothing.
Your OCS class will be assigned a certain number of slots for branches based on upcoming available seats in basic courses. These are the "leftovers" that ROTC and USMA didn't want, plus any vacancies due to drops. Halfway through the class, you will pick from the list based on class standings; top picks first. You can only pick from what's available, which means that your desired branches may or may not be available at all.
>>28467309 You can be an ATC, and get FAA certified after finishing the course. And then you get to tell everyone at the ATC tower that you were in one of the most badass units in the whole US military
How does Reserve work? I'm looking for ways to help pay for college after I get my Associates, and I've always been interested in joining the military since I was young. I'm not the overly proud type, and don't give a shit about if people consider it really serving or not. I'd rather have people not know I was in the military just because of all the douches I went to high school who think they're badasses now.
TL;DR how is life as a college student in the reserve? What financial aid does Reserve offer?
Quick question for anyone who has clearances, I have used pot in college probably about 20 times, would this DQ me for secret, top secret clearances? I haven't enlisted yet so im not sure to admit to it or not, I am pretty much just worried about screening old college friends/ polygraphs if i lie about.
>>28467707 You can beat polygraphs, and I haven't dealt with one yet. I think they're moving away from them. Old college friends may fuck you over, but I'd lie anyways. I doubt they'll reward you for being truthful
Hard to say. There's really not much crosstalk there. The military will "ok" you and send you off to training long before OPM actually comes back with the results of your clearance investigation. At that point the military will pretty much get a yay/nay on your clearance, they're not going to sit down and place it beside your enlistment docs unless you give them a reason to think you've enlisted fraudulently.
>>28468065 My plan is to ask my recruiter about me giving a written statement saying I've experimented with weed only 3 times. This is enough to let me in without a waiver, and I don't have to lie and feel guilty. Would this work?
>>28468065 this was not me, >>28468101 my question then is what if for some odd reason they do compare the two? Can you say it was a mistake or are you fucked? I've smoked a decent amount sadly.. prob 30 times on and off throughout my first two years at college. I've been clean for a while and do not plan on smoking again. Really want to enlist but even more i don't want to get a dishonorable discharge down the road.
Kek. Not going to happen for fraudulent enlistment. "Other than honorable" maybe, dishonorable is reserved for much worse shit.
Anyhow, this shit is pretty simple, anon. The clearance stuff is completely irrelevant since they don't care what kind of drugs you did as long as you come clean. All that matters is what the current threshold the military has in order to require a waiver (or completely disqualify you).
In 2008 they would've enlisted you immediately following your first clean pee test and given you a bonus to boot.
It's 2016 though, the military doesn't need people that bad anymore. If they're saying "we don't want anyone with more than 'expertimental' drug use" then you have some pretty limited choices. Wait for the next war, lie, try to pursue a waiver, or find another calling. In any case, you accept the consequences of your actions like an adult. There's no "I want all the benefits of lying but none of the consequences if I get caught".
Are there officers in SF? Absolutely. Can you become one? Well, that's mostly on you.
You have to commission first (read: get your 4-year degree and go through a commissioning program), then serve 3~ years before you're allowed to drop a packet to try and become an SF officer. If accepted, you go through the training and become an oper8tor for a short time before going back to the rear to be a senior officer. If you aren't accepted, you're pretty much fucked since officers have such a tiny window where they're allowed to apply.
People say it's "hard" to be an SF officer, but it has nothing to do with the training being more intense than being SF enlisted, and everything to do with having a tiny career window to do it as opposed to your entire enlisted career.
>>28468269 Thanks for the advice. im thinking I won't lie as I have other positives, will do fine on asvabs, will do well on PT tests, and having a 4 year degree will help. Think the positives will outweigh the negatives? This is the last question, again thanks.
>>28468591 Yea, my pushups and situps are hovering around 40-50. The weight lifting has seen those go from increase massively in the past month though, and I haven't even been training the PU/SU's specifically. As my squat/dead goes up the sit ups get easier and easier. I ride a sportbike as my daily commute and I think my back/core is just super weak from the hunched over position without any concurrent exercise
Just did my aptitude test today, and I'm told I did every well and easily qualify for all 3 positions I applied for. Competition is tight for both avionics tech/communications jobs but even if I don't make it into the next intake, I could make it to the next.
If I join the Navy whats the chance I can be a seabee? I have no experience But if I cant get that MOS in the navy I was thinking of going 11B or 13B in the Army. Is it rude to tell a recruiter you only really want one job?
>>28468787 I don't think it would be rude. Think about it, if you apply anywhere else they tell you EXACTLY what your job is and what it entails. You reserve the right to not join the military if you don't get the MOS you want.
Once you're into SOF the quality of life is top notch. Your food, your PT, your gear, etc. is all the best quality the military has to offer. So with better benefits, comes a stronger person.
In the 75th the mindset is very fratlike, and at most times pretty hardheaded. You either follow the trend, or you get pushed to the side. Pushed to the side? People don't like you, it can tumble down from there. Not much open-mindedness until innovation is required to happen. The people can be pretty childish and immature.
However, its a well oiled machine. The PT is well organized (contracted fitness instructors, nutritionists, etc.), the food and gear supplied is the top of the line, and generally everyone is pretty damn competent.
RASP is basically what basic should be. And the 75th is what the infantry battalions should be. The main problem is its hardheadedness though. With the large majority of its leadership being guys who joined and stayed in since the age of 18 (which is an Army wide issue), you don't get a lot of unique mindsets in it.
The other areas such as SF are much more open-minded. Much more innovative in their thinking because their pipelines instill multiple ways of getting shit done. The frat behavior is similar, but because SF has people from all sorts of backgrounds and ages (usually older and more mature) coming into it, you get a pretty damn unique assortment of people. It knows how to take advantage of its random dudes with weird but useful capabilities, not push them out.
>>28469375 At 2/75th more big army bs is choking the traditional life. Longer training days, more bs health and welfare shit, more drug and alcohol problems, poor retention, and subsequently more inexperienced guys filling into this new, garrison life batt. Still awesome and better training than most other units, just not as dope as say 4 years ago
>>28469404 In the 75th its just like an infantry line company. 1 doc per platoon, they take care of them. Doc's job is to stay at the hip of the platoon sergeant (2nd highest lead in a platoon). When shtf doc runs around and patches people up. He shouldn't be in a stack and he shouldn't be firing over patching guys up unless its a massive mass casualty and you're being overrun.
18D's have a very diverse job. They'll be patching up, giving medicine, etc. to a SHIT TON of old people, women, and kids for a large amount of their job. They also take care of their teams, obviously. Which is 6+6 men.
>>28469907 There's a whole lot more to 18D's, didn't mean to word it like they only patch up foreign dudes. Just wrote up a brief idea of what they do. An 18D will shoot more than a platoon medic in the 75th, for instance.
>>28469907 >>28469919 Thanks for the info. I guess an 18D is more like a team member who is a doc if shtf during an op? While a Ranger medic is a doc first and foremost and rarely deviates from that role?
>>28469970 Cool stuff man. Now to just decide which to go out for, PJ included in that dilemma. Research time. Right now I'm leaning towards PJ because its a focus on combat rescue primarily. But 18D coolguy shit is always a dream for 20-somethings
I know this is REALLY specific, but I wanted to ask something about ROTC programs. I just finished my first semester of my Freshman year in community college. >How can I get involved with NROTC (I want to be a pilot but any kind of officer interests me)
And I need to get double jaw surgery for medical reasons. Basically, I need to get braces for a year, then jaw surgery, and then braces for another year. Will this work out with ROTC or will this be an issue?
>>28470523 Also, I've heard that most Navy pilots end up flying helicopters. Is this true? I want to fly a fixed wing aircraft. What is my best chance of doing that? If I can't become a jet pilot I think I would just want to be an infantry officer instead.
>>28471499 >walk into YOU session >"okay guys, we're going to have a presentation first" >powerpoint slide pops up on screen >"first and foremost, this Australian land belongs to the Gubbi Gubbi people and respect for the natives of this land plays a very large part in the Australian defence force and we all must understand this and the contribution of all our Aboriginal members" >wait for laughter >nobody laughs
>>28463152 >Wanna be hard core >Wanna do spoopy shit innajungle/desert >Just ran up 43 flights of stairs >Took me seven minutes and almost killed me >Went from feeling awesome to feelinglike a Nick Frost impersonator
Reality hits like a fucking brick. Looks like I need to run every day now.
Are protein shakes all they're cracked up to be? And say it takes me two or three years to get Ironman fit, I'd be 28 years old almost 29, how old is too old for something like the green berets? >Also, do they still focus on training indigenous peoples? I'd rather do that than kick in doors.
>>28471703 I'm doing couch to 5k already (Week 5), and I'm going to start running the stars at the 22 story building I work at once or twice a week.
My problem is pullups and pushups, I can do 100 pushups a day in sets of 15-17 and they never seem to get easier. And I just don't know how to do a pull up I guess, do you use your arms or your back? I've been trying to use just my arms with bad results.
>>28471722 My pushups have blown up, I can't help for pullups since I don't really do any but I'd imagine something similar would work. Every other day I'm doing 3 sets of wide pushups, diamond pushups, and pushups (with other shit mixed in and a 2 min break between sets). Every time I finish a pushup exercise on the 3rd set I do knee pushups of that type until I can't anymore. I do this in the morning and before I go to bed, and in a month and a half or so I went from doing like 13/9/6 to 23/21/21, for example or 250+ non knee pushups across the day.
>>28471668 they aren't networking then. i also know a few intel guys, and they're doing pretty great. i was looking at space operations or geospatial intel, but AF doesn't need them right now. they DO need crypto linguists badly.
Hey guys, I'm gonna be enlisting in the army but I have a few concerns.
1. I have next to no stamina and I'm worried about BCT, I'm not fat by any sense of the word (5'9" 130lbs) but after 20 pushups I'm down for the count. I'm training now but I'm going up to MEPS soon and I don't know if it'll be enough.
2. My teeth are pretty fucked up, went through a period of depression (not documented, don't worry) and hygiene went out the window. They're not meth head bad but they're pretty bad. I know I will be able to get through MEPS but I also know that they do a dental exam at reception. Will I be DQ'd because of my teeth?
How the FUCK do I go about meeting with and addressing a recruiter? The recruiting station near me is used by all 4 branches and I dont know if I need an appointment, or if I walk right in. Im not even sure what branch I want to join yet because its gunna depend on the jobs I can get. Should I use a casual tone to sound confident, >"hey man I was interested in enlisting in the army, but I just had afew questions I was hoping I could come by some time later today or tomorrow and learn a bit about the opportunities presented" Or something more formal? Ive been unemployed or 9 months, should I be bringing a resume?
I can do 50 pushups (easy street) 55 situps and 2 miles in 13:15
Jobs im interested in: Army11B, 13B, Navy Seabee, AF Cryptologic Language Analyst(I know basic Russian Portuguese and Spanish), EOD
Do you have to agree to join then get assigned a job after basic? Thoughts? Comments?
>>28472821 IS it true that infantry just does PT and chorse for like 13 hours a day starting at 4AM when not deployed? Im not lazy, but some Airforce guy said he only worked 8 hours a day and that sounded pretty appealing
For every response I will award one (1) pic of a qt
>>28472802 Do crypto linguist. It's what I'm going in for (airborne version because yay AF) You get to live in Monterey California for 64 weeks if you're good enough on the DLAB and you'll get your A1C sooner due to 6 year enlistment Also learning another language gives you a bonus every month for your paycheck.
>>28473408 If I enlist as infantry than after 4 years I get out and resign as something else would I have to start from E-0? I want the experience of infantry, but im already 21 years old so I need to think about a long term career, I was thinking about going heli mechanic or something
>>28471722 Just like 3 weeks ago I was at 30 consecutive pushups Last week I was at 50 I did 75 in 2 minutes yesterday 1 day do at least 200 pushups As many sets as it takes Next day work on your sit ups and pull-ups 3rd day is pushup day again. I bench for endurance, not strength on this day So 3 sets 10 reps of 135lbs. And 50 very slow very controlled pushups. Make your own routine that includes Running, pushups, sit ups, and pull ups. I added ruck marches and lifts like bench, squat, over head press, clean and jerks, and farmers walks, all low weight high reps. Find a way to schedule it so your doing everything every other or at the most every 2 days.
>Is there a route from linguist to SOF? Like, can I go in for languages, then move from there into a special operations role, or in country support role? I really want to (Like everyone here) do SF stuff and go places I'm not supposed to be, meet strange people and teach them to kill our mutual enemies, but being a translator would be a nice civilian job if I loose a leg or something to an old soviet mine.
>>28473682 Looks decent. My friend has a way more simple one but it mounts the exact same and we've yet to break it or the door or even fall. Heaviest I weighed when I still used it was only 200lbs though idk what they can handle
>>28473772 Could you please provide me with more info? I'd like to look into this as a serious consideration. I've always romanticized the SF mission involving the indigenous population and getting involved in that process would be a satisfying life goal.
I also really want to do some cool shit involving guns and parachutes before I die.
>>28473957 To be clear, I mean is there less competition for access to the SF pipeline if you're applying from some MOS's than others. I'd imagine if you're trying out from infantry it's a "Yeah, cute, good luck even getting your name in the hat" but maybe not so much if you're a radio operator or linguist?
>>28473957 >>28474009 No. If you pass selection, you stop being whatever MOS you were before and become 18 series. It's all about your performance at selection and has nothing to do with where you're coming from or your previous experience.
>>28465548 You could also take an MOST with a marketable skill like an IT or cyber-security. You get out with 1) A job skill 2) Pretty military experience and 3) GI Bill. If whatever you choose to major in in College doesnr work out, you can fall back on your IT skills.
>>28475201 Do you need work references? Im worried about that part because ive always been a pretty quite and meek person and I dont wanna deal with everybody saying "oh anon?! He doesnt seem like the Army type, hes so nice XD"
No, most of the people joining the military are 18 year old kids who have never worked so I can't imagine that they'd make work references mandatory. You just need a certain amount of family and non-family references and I mixed the two together because I didn't have enough non-family.
If you don't tell them and there's no physical issues that might give it away during a physical they can't find out. They'll ask you about it 200 times and lie to you saying you'll get in trouble if they find out but it's bullshit.
there's more slots open to ROTC and Academy grads than OTS. i wanted to be a pilot. and my job's cool and all but i don't think i have the heart to go back to AETC for more fun unless i'm going to be flying for the guard/reserves and can get a guaranteed slot that way.
if you want to fly fixed wing, go USAF. half the navy and marines' fleet is helo. then again you're probably going to fly heavies in the AF.
which isn't necessarily a bad thing. having to taking a dump midair in a cramped f-16 cockpit while wearing an anti-exposure suit over the midatlantic isn't exactly one of those things they talk about in the commercials.
I'm the op and this is my most successful thread ever. Anyway, I need a cool job in the air force to fill time so I can pt to become a jtac, thoughts? Thoughts on my plan? I'm 19. Also, I just passed on signing army papers for a 11x with opt 40, twice. Do they give those out like candy or something? Asvab scores are 94. And I'm over 90 in all fields.
>>28476012 >i don't think i have the heart to go back to AETC for more fun I feel you familia. AETC is full of bullshit, whether you go officer or enlisted. Their retarded rules at tech school alone caused more of a headache than anything the MTIs could ever dream of.
On the instruction/staff side, it's where careers go to die and AFSC competency is forgotten.
>>28476252 Kekls. Why would you post your girl online. 20 neckbeards saved her picture all ready. But to be fair here, and this is no low ball, you posted a girl on k. All girls on k are traps. I mean that's almost fact.
>>28476441 >It's cute that you make up qualifiers Stronger than a genetic female Rhonda Rousey herself is scared of fighting transwomen because she knows that even an average trans off the street could smack her silly
>>28477180 Unfortunately not. Physically I'm just not ready, but I'm hoping I'll get whipped into shape because working out like crazy the last 2 months hasn't made much of an improvement. 5'9, 135 pounds makes me concerned about losing any weight.
>>28477204 youtube has a video that they made with that gay radioactive song dubbed over it, its pretty cool. they watch satellites and debris and monitor reentry trajectories, is my guess based on that one video
>>28477362 i cant talk to you anymore, I'm pissed >sorry anon, no slots available for 1C631 >maybe we can get you into EOD >or security forces >or aircraft maintenance >have you ever heard of the F35 anon?
>>28477399 Running is my issue, I know I can do the sit ups and push-ups easy. Mentally I'm good to go. Not that it's the same, but I grew up in a strict military family, did civil air patrol and JROTC for quite a few years, and despite not being in shape I'm not a massive pussy so I'm good to go.
>>28477453 >I grew up in a strict military family, did civil air patrol and JROTC for quite a few years I'm going to be frank here and tell you the former will be a lot more valuable than the latter. I knew so many kids in Basic that had done CAP or were in JROTC and thought this made them better than everyone else, only for them to be total shitbags when it came to actual discipline. One dumbass even made the taboo of thinking he knew better than our TI. Did not end well for him.
The best thing you can do is not go there thinking you're hot shit for anything you did in the past. You'll learn real quick that all crap isn't going to impress your TI.
>>28477547 I'm no better than anyone else there, I just wanna sit down and do what I need to for 2 months before I can finally go to my tech school. Basic doesn't mean shit and I won't treat it like it does. I've seen a lot of guys from my school fuck up bad in basic because they thought they knew everything.
>>28477592 It can be fun and memorable if you do what you're supposed to and see it for what it is: a training environment. Don't get me wrong, it really does suck at times, but by the end of it all it will just be funny to you and you'll look back on it with nostalgia.
Like you said though, Basic won't mean shit for the rest of your career. Your leadership won't care that you were a dorm chief or element leader in BMT and it will not help you get promoted. The same goes for any student leadership position in tech school. Suck it up until you can really have a blast at your first duty station.
>>28477572 25m underwater swim (pj, cct,sowt) 3 min rest 25m underwater swim (pj, cct, sowt) 10 min rest 500m surface swim (pj, cct, sowt) or 200m surface swim (sere) 30 min rest 1.5 mile run 10 min rest 2 min of pullups 2 min rest 2 min situps 2 min rest 2 min pushups 30 min rest 3 mile rucksack march w/50lbs (cct/sowt) pj swim time: 10:07 run time 9:47 10 pullups 54 situps 52 pushups
>>28478441 I met a dude on 4chan who is there right now and i talk with him from time to time about it. Hes in arabic for the AF and says as long as you pay attention and do your HW its not too bad. You have to study though otherwise youre fucked. If the college like life isnt for you dont do it (his words to me since ill be there in march)
>>28474134 As long as you pass their local PT test and initial interview, you're going to selection, period. If you are selected, there's nothing your old MOS can do about it; you are moving from a lower priority MOS to a higher priority MOS.
2/2 | E/E 23 | $200 2+/2 | F/E 24 | $250 2+/2+ or 2/3 F / F or E / G 32 $300 2+ / 3 F / G 33 $350 3/3 |G/G| 34 $400 3/3 / 3 or 4 / 4 G / G / G or I / I 41 $500
from what I heard you have to be at level 3 to graduate the DLI, so basically thats an extra FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS a fucking month just for knowing a language. Thats 4,800$ a year extra on top of a nice bonus.
That's actually your official title once you make O-3.
I think that you're the attention-starved douche that's been trying to bait with retarded shitposts. However, if you're the other anon instead... well, if you think it's a good paycheck, then why would you want to get out? It's a good gig once you're out of training, but not so hot when you're still a trainee.
>>28478803 Foreign language pay maxes at $1000 per month. So let's say that you speak two languages (or distinct dialects)... that's $800. Three? $1000 a month.
>>28478777 >join military as cool shooter dude >actually just a cleaner who gets to get shot at every now and then >Maybe ever 5 years you actually get to shoot in the direction of what may possibly be an enemy
how frowned upon is 19D. I have a friend of the friend of the family who is 19d active duty and he told me 11b and others will talk a lot of shit. dude told me to not mind what they say but hey i still have to ask...
I heard they don't actually get breaks during selection, SERE specialist candidates go from one to the next with no breaks, even running in wet gear they swam in less than five minutes before, and they have to run from the pool to the track.
>>28479686 If you want to be sure that you'll pass the physical parts of selection, I would suggest that you be be able to get a 290+ on your PT test even after a hard workout or a long, strenuous day.
Be aware that even if you pass every event at selection, they might not pick you. It's not just physical.
>>28479887 Have never worked with them, near them, or heard much about them.
It was created to get SOF funding that the military started to receive a shit ton of. Then they fucked up in Afghanistan, and are currently trying to legitimize it. Their training copied the SF pipeline at the start, but with all of its transitions to 'Raiders' and more focus on direct action and the blending and transitioning of their recon, they have an identity crisis.
An identity crisis + an origination not due to necessity, but for funding.
It'll be a husk for however long it will run.
My experiences with Marine recon gave me very bad tastes in my mouth. Should be much more competent and efficient for what training they get.
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