Ok, serious question. I've never tried this steel case ammo because I hear so much negativity about it. Is it bullshit? Am I asking for a bad time with this stuff?
I'm thinking of getting a spam can.
Buy it. Just buy it from someone else. CTD went full jew during several panics and raised prices to ridiculous levels, gouging the fuck out of chumps.
My AR eats steel cased all day everyday, but I clean it after ever range trip. Someone who only cleans occasionally will experience more malfunctions with steel compared to brass.
>be me, poor as fuck
>brother has awesome job and makes over $100k/year
>he refuses to run steel cased as it will "fuck up his AR". buys only brass
>he doesn't reload
>I sweep up all his brass and reload it for pennies
But really OP, steel cased is fine.
>gouging the fuck out of chumps.
Their prices are clearly listed, it's your own fault if you actually buy it. I can't fault them there.
But I've heard of companies cancelling paid orders and relisting items for jacked up prices, that's what infuriates me.
I've gone through a 500rd case of Wolf 223 for plinking without any issues, if your AR can't handle steel cased shit then your rifle is shit. Sure a underpowered round is expected every once in awhile with cheap ammo, but it doesn't always happen and is possible even with the most premium ammo.
I'd go with Wolf over Tula. The Tula I've shot is a little weaker than standard loads. It may or may not cause malfunction. It's okay if your gun eats it. Shoot a couple mags worth first before you buy a bunch of ammo that won't cycle through your gun. Faggot.
>it's your own fault if you actually buy it.
Believe me, I didn't. And the fact that they'll charge these kinds of prices has made me decide to never buy anything from them ever again.
>royal tiger import selling that batch of vepr-1v rpks as the sanctions hit, for 1000 bucks
>people who'd already paid for their gun get notified that their orders were cancelled
>suddenly, by some odd coincidence, a bunch of vepr-1v rifles show up on gunbroker for 2000+ dollars
>under a user name RTimports or something very similar
So that's what happened with them anyway. I heard CTD did something similar in 2012, but I don't remember what with.
They capitalized on the green tip scare too.
Steel cased ammo in general is fine, my AR's love golden bear, silver bear, and brown bear .223 but STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM TULA, it's the worst steel cased .223 available. Regardless of different mags in 3 different rifles and one pistol, literally every other round was either a FTE or a stovepipe. Don't buy Tula .223 ever.
Yes, AKs will eat literally anything. Tula 7.62x39 is great, my Saiga has eaten over 500 rounds without a single issue except one failure to return to battery, which I attribute to the shitty Promags I was using at the time.
False. I switch my ar between brass and steel. 800 rounds of steel so far, 2 double feeds, both instances for the same 20 round magazine with the old black followers. No issues with modern 30 rounds mags with magpul followers or h&k polymer mags
That being said, tula ammo is literally the worst. WPA is like 23 cents a round and leagues better. Those double feeds were also tula, I shot WPA through those magazines before and had no such issues.
My ar IS a 14.5 mid gas, and tula has less powder behind it, so maybe it was short stroking, have a failure to eject, and then some how double feed. I dunno.
But fuck cheaperthandirt and fuck tula.
>buying from "cheaperthandirt"
Yeah yeah. There's a fun store that sells it near by I linked that so you all could see what I'm talking about.
News flash. Everyone takes advantage of scarcity scares. Welcome to capitalism.
I run steel cased all the time because I'm a poorfag. Some of the Russian shit like Tula can be pretty dirty but if you just clean your rifle after you're done shooting you will be fine. Never had a FTF yet from the rifle not taking steel.
From my personal experience with steel ammo:
>wolf 9mm was horrible and 10 out of a 50 round box had failures to feed.
>wolf .223 numerous failure to feeds in my brother's SIG AR
>wolf 7.62x54R worked fine but the lacquer can exasperate sticky bolt syndrome.
Bottom line, I won't ever buy wolf 9mm again, .223 is alright but not the best, and 7.62x54R is perfectly good ammo. The rule of thumb is to only buy wolf or tula for Russian firearms.
I generally haven't had issues with steel case in my AR other than with Tula. Anything made by Barnaul works fine, but Tula will usually fail to feed or even fail to eject. I didn't have a chronograph when I shot it, but Tula also seemed less consistently loaded than the Barnaul loaded "Colt" I was also shooting and was definitely less accurate, shooting 5.5 to 6 inches at 100m versus the Colt shooting 2.5 to three inches. For reference, PMC XM855 shoots 1.5 inches in my AR.
I also have had issues with steel cased Romanian 7.92x57mm, but the problem cases there can be eliminated by visually inspecting the ammo for defects and poor finish.
Steel case is perfectly fine , for all calibers it's fine just runs dirty and might have a weird smell. Other than that , it's ok. I really want to try that winchester steel case to see how it shoots.
I'm telling you your rifle must suck or something, because BCM is milspec and ate everything I fed it, with 2 failures in 800 rounds, both most likely magazine related, both tula, no issues with other brands