Why do Americans never strap their helmets on in war movies, particularly WWII? Did this actually happen or is it a retarded trope?
In some cases soldiers were killed by concussion due to a buckled chinstrap (in the event of an explosion nearby) and for this reason the US Army developed a new chinstrap release, T1, that would allow the chinstrap to unhook under a pressure superior to 15 pounds. This development came in late WWII, too late to help the GIs then, but it was standardised ever since and all helmets refurbished and produced after WWII have been fitted with this new device. During the Korean conflict many commanders wanted their soldiers to fasten the chinstrap (as it was meant to be) also because, as an officer Col. Cawthon about as martial as a tomcat with his head in a can of salmon". The T1 fastening hook allowed it to be done without fear of terrible injuries. It must be also noted that a blast near and strong enough to break a neck by concussion will probably cause many other serious injuries. Anyhow, the GIs didn't like to "buckle up" their helmet (M1) at all, fearing a very unlikely injury, and preferred to fasten the chinstrap over the back rim of their steel pot or hook it on the camouflage net, but the helmet was not stable: it wobbled and danced over the head of the running soldier, and (US Army veterans have told me), it was quite usual to see a soldier running with one hand holding his rifle and the other over the helmet. Furthermore, let's face it, a well fastened helmet is not a comfortable thing to wear. The British WWII helmet (MkII) was even less stable than the American helmet (the US Army had a similar shaped helmet until 1941-2) and it had to be worn with its chinstrap under the chin not to fall off immediately when running (but many pictures show soldiers marching or at rest with the strap pulled over the rim, tucked inside or, as also described, worn behind the neck). Its shape was the same of its predecessor, the MkI, which was designed for trench warfare, where soldiers had to be careful about what came right down from the sky that's why it was wide and flat.
THIS WAS best answered in the Audie Murphy (most decorated American G.I in World War II ) Biopic "To Hell and Back". Murphy (playing himself in the movie) was told to undo the strap to stop the blast of explosions not only tearing off his helmet but his head along with it. "Well how do I keep it on then?" asks Murphy. "You don't" was the cheerful reply. He then goes on to lose his helmet, win the war and get shot in the backside - which, while painful, certainly took his mind off loosing his hat.
>Because strapped helmet is uncomfortable
You're in the military and you're concerned about comfort? You don't want your silky smooth neck skin chafed so your boyfriend in your unit can run his hand down it when he chokes you?
>Wanting morale to disintegrate thereby failing to maintain unit cohesion
My grandfather served in the Australian army in Papua new guinea during ww2.
I remember him telling us that it was a punishable offence to wear the strap on their slouch hats or helmets.
This was because the strap would cause tropical ulcers where it rubbed against the skin
Yeah its uncomfotable if its not right size. They gave one that was way too big so i couldn't see jackshit and everytime I tried to change it for a better fit the guys at the armory told me to fuck off.
Do US helmets not have an adjustible strap on the inside? Ours have ones that can change from fuck-tiny to fuck-huge.
Small and large sized helmets rarely saw any use, since everyone I know had a medium sized one, save for this one Nepalese immigrant who was like 130cm tall.
This is was happen when you don't uphold the GROOMING STANDERDS
>morale to disintegrate
>because people get a rash from wearing their chinstrap
In what fag ass unit are you? USAF?
Most of the rockets you see flying overhead are actually fireworks fired by a bunch of crew and not cgi
>yfw your job is lighting fireworks
they have the straps on the side to adjust for how big your head/face is
they are uncomfortable and usually dont fit very well on the forehead. for me it felt like it was too high or too low on the eyebrows
Those were actually all myths spread by GIs. If a blast is close enough to blow your helmet off, it will blow your head off too. A bullet also doesn't have enough force to pierce the helmet and rock your head back that much to really injure your neck.
It's a myth that no doubt got many countless soldier's killed or unnecessarily wounded.
>Why do Americans never strap their helmets on in war movies
Hollywood has a very different idea of how the military works.
Directors throw doctrine out the window to produce the desired on-screen effect.
In reality, soldiers get their asses turned inside out by NCOs for not fastening their chin straps.
I always assumed that part of it was a subtle cliché to reinforce the GI's are lazy and undisciplined meme. No good director can pass up the chance to make at least a few American solders look stupid and undisciplined at any point in their movie.
>Directors throw doctrine out the window to produce the desired on-screen effect.
Wasn't BoB and the pacific pretty realistic though? Didn't they talk to a lot of vets and base it on real stories etc?
This. Chewing tobacco is extra uncomfortable with it on, too.
Fuck you, pull my convoy duty for me, then.
Concussion from blasts underneath you (IED) does force the helmet upward, but that's the good reason to keep it strapped on, because what goes up must come down. That was the dumb part of me not strapping my helmet on.
You're right, they both were. Not completely play-by-play accurate or anything but they did as much as they could to keep everything plausible. It pleased my /k/ side to see that every firearm they fired was an actual gun firing blanks, no prop department mock-ups or anything.
His real name wasn't used in the movie, like many others portrayed, but yes. I can't remember his real name but he was convicted of sexually assaulting/molesting his preteen daughter.
>The British WWII helmet (MkII) was even less stable than the American helmet (the US Army had a similar shaped helmet until 1941-2) and it had to be worn with its chinstrap under the chin not to fall off immediately when running (but many pictures show soldiers marching or at rest with the strap pulled over the rim, tucked inside or, as also described, worn behind the neck). Its shape was the same of its predecessor, the MkI, which was designed for trench warfare, where soldiers had to be careful about what came right down from the sky that's why it was wide and flat.
I just finished reading about the American helmet designs in WW1 and how many lives could have been saved if they had went with a helmet that better covered the neck and temples. They didn't because the helmet was deemed too similar to the German helmets, not because they were afraid of misidentifying American troops but entirely because helmets represented a national identity and the stahlhelm had already been villainized in war propaganda.
>Ok so why don't German or Russian helmets blow the guy's head off?
They only did this in the Pacific in large numbers. In Europe and North Africa, they strapped their chins on.
In Korea and Vietnam, this was popular, and changed fast after the Vietnam War.
Americans do not have a brain, no need to protect anything.
Since the M1 Hawley liner was issued, US helmet web suspension systems (the internal straps) have been adjustable. However, M1 steel pots were 1 sizes fits all. With the adoption of the PASGT, the suspension system still retain its adjustable function, but helmet sizing became available (XS to XL). The modern US helmets (LWH, ACH/MICH, ECH) use 3/4 inch pads and helmet sizing. For female midgets, there are 1 inch pads that you can stuff in a XS or S helmet. And there is always Opscore OCC dial being issued to socom and other units.
that's a M33 German airborne helmet. FOR FALLSCHRIMJAGERS NIGGER!!!! THEY PROBABLY DON'T WANT THAT BITCH FLYING OFF MID-DROP!!!! Does your mom know that you are up this late?
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>in my county
I obviously can't speak for everyone, but a reason why I'd leave the strap undone in because underchin straps dig like fuck into my adams apple, hurts like shit to swallow and makes it hard to look down and breathe properly
British helmet straps are far superior because they have the chin gloves, so snug and comfy
you know what I mean guy stop oppressing me
When the strap is like pic related it hurts like taking dick up the ass
I used to think it was just considered unmanly, like wearing your ushanka with the flaps down is.
> cant really do much to silence anything higher than a .22
Anon, even with faux-fur, a well-made Ushanka can be quite warm. Flaps were put down effectively when there was a blizzard or if the temps went below -20 C.
There wasn't a standard to it, it was more how it turned out being.
Its about acclimatization. If you use your flaps when its only 15 below you will suffer more when it goes below 30.
If you want to be a good arctic soldier you need to freeze your ass of in autumn/early winter.
But in this photo they where probably ordered to have them up so they would look uniform. You look like a fucking retard with them down.
god damn, The Pacific was complete fucking shit.
>shit tier actors
>none of the charm of Band of Brothers
And those ugly fucks in the OP, god damn. Whoever made that should be fucking ashamed of themselves.
>The Pacific was complete fucking shit.
I thought it was pretty good.
>All that realistic gore
Never actually sat down to watch The Pacific, Always get like 20 mins into the first episode and call it quits because it was just too slow, Band of brothers while slow to get off actually set up a good story and back ground for the characters.
>I don't like this thing I've never watched
You are aware that helmets of that time didn't do jack shit against rifle fire, right? Look at the types of bullets they used
>30.06, .303, 8mm mauser
That's some powerful shit right there that would take a big ass helmet to stop.
Also, you're still leaving the rest of your vitals exposed which is where they're going to be aiming.
Helmets are really for deflecting falling debris from artillery more than stopping bullets m8
>You are aware that helmets of that time didn't do jack shit against rifle fire, right? Look at the types of bullets they used
Of course, 70%-95% of casualties during WW1 were due to fragments. The article postulated that the better experimental American helmets would have saved more lives but were not accepted because they too resembled "the Hun" of propaganda.
The experimental armor in the first pic includes full torso armor as well, similar to what the Germans had near the end of the war.
If you compare it to the adoption of flak jackets by bomber crews in WW2 and the subsequent drop of fragment casualties by 58%, you can imagine what impact body armor could have had in WW2 were again, 2/3rd of casualties with from fragments.
>The worst was the donut-shaped padding in the middle that would leave a sore bump on the top of your head.
Sounds like an american football helmet, they have air bladders like that. Hated it.
Are you sure that's true for ww2? I know ww1 was almost entirely artillery shrapnel deaths but thought ww2 was different.
Also there are two good reasons flak armor wasn't issued to infantry in the world wars. It's expensive (both cost to manufacture and rationed materials required) and heavy.
I own a Vietnam era M1 helmet, and I can personally attest to the fact that the chinstrap fucking sucks. It's a pain in the ass to adjust, and if you tighten it down to the point where it actually prevents the helmet from coming off of your head, you pretty much can't open your mouth. I wore it with the chinstrap fastened ONCE, and the first time I tried to look up, the helmet rocked back (on account of it being rather heavy and loose-fitting) and the strap tried to strangle me. Really, besides gravity, nothing really works to keep the helmet on your head, and having the chinstrap fastened just gets in the way, so why have it fastened?
>god damn, The Pacific was complete fucking shit.
I think it had more to do with the way the marines rotated. They couldn't just follow one unit around, so you had disjointed characters and more time spent on their exposition of said characters.
I'm hoping the next one, the Masters of the Air HBO miniseries will be more like BoB, especially if it's focused on the Bloody 100th only.
YOU are a fucking retard.
>Also there are two good reasons flak armor wasn't issued to infantry in the world wars. It's expensive (both cost to manufacture and rationed materials required) and heavy.
Here's the article: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/04/could-body-armor-have-saved-millions-in-world-war-i/275417/
He calls it a "thought exercise" and makes some pretty subjective claims but there are some good sources linked to within.
Re: weight the American body armor wasn't too bad.
>Met armorers crafted a battle harness with complete torso protection, front and back, for about 8.5 pounds With pauldrons (shoulder guards), couters (elbow) and vambraces (forearm), add another 4 pounds With helmet - it all came to just over 15 pounds Quite wearable, you would think, given that U.S. soldiers' full panoply today can reach 40pounds, close to 15th century full-body plate armor.
>Dean's panoply was fully cushioned with "vulcanized sponge-rubber," and with the latest alloys, could stop a .45 ACP at 1000 ft. per second (and a rifle ball at 1250 ft. per second). In terms of coverage, ease and comfort, and raw protection, this was as close as anyone in the war came to the Holy Grail of personal body armor. Deployed in the big American Expeditionary Force (AEF) offensive at the Meuse-Argonne, it could have cut 26,000 battle deaths by one third or more.
>Dean's "half armor" went exactly nowhere. Sure, it was worth ditching most of the arm defenses. Medieval arm defenses, no matter how well articulated, were simply going to get in the way. But torso and shoulder defenses were another matter. In fact, the Met's cuirass itself was carefully cut out for effortless shouldering of the Springfield.