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So I was reading Hannibal and noticed Clarice's interesting setup for her 1911

>"He pointed with his wattled chin at Starling's main sidearm, a well-worn Colt.45 Government Model with a strip of skateboard tape on the grip..."

This actually makes a lot of sense when I think about it, seems a lot cheaper than stippling. What are some interesting/unusual mods for firearms?
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bike innertube
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I don't know how you could possibly not know this has been a really common thing since skateboard tape was invented. Guns have always needed grippier grips.
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Dude people use skateboard tape for all kinds of shit that you need to make grippier. Gonna blow your mind here but you can use it on:

>ladders
>stairs
>hand rails
>bus aisles
>stairs
>ladders
>baseball bat
>hafted tools if you work wearing gloves
>tires
>cordless drill
>coffee mug
>dragon dildo
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>>28454035
Stairs and ladders blew my mind the second time around.
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>>28454035
>>dragon dildo
wouldn't you want that to be less grippy
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>>28454074

No, the pleasure is in the friction.
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Vulc-tape. Shit's cash yo.
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>>28453931
Stipling is free, but I don't care for how it looks and at least skate tape is reversible.
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>>28454133
You're hardcore. I like your style
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>>28453931
I have some VZ grips grip tape in grey that I'm going to slap on my 1911 after I get it back from the gunsmith
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>>28454197
What you having done?
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>>28454212
Everything in pic related on my Mil-Spec

Pretty much replacing everything other than the barrel and bushing, the Ti firing pin and spring, and the plunger tube itself.
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>>28454380
seems like it would have made more sense to buy a gun that didnt suck enough to need all its parts replaced
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>>28454447
It doesn't need it at all. It's been completely reliable. I just wanted to do it. I had some extra cash laying around and figured this would be more fun than selling it and buying something else.

Plus I learned a lot about 1911s in the process. My smith is only cutting my slide, frame for the Beaver tail, and doing the trigger job. I'm doing everything else.
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It was really popular in Vietnam with magazines
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>>28454947
That's for a different reason, and different tape.
Skateboard tape is for a better grip.
Jungle mags are to increase you reload speed because you didn't want to put 20 rounds in your 20 round magazine because the spring sucked and couldn't take it, so you only had 17 rounds before reloading and reloading from the bandolier while retaining spent mags was too slow.

We don't do that anymore because
>our 30 round mags can handle 30 rounds
>we have learned to use dedicated dump pouches
>we have developed pouches like tacos and fastmags that increase reload speeds
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>>28454004
this.

if you're noguns, and reading it, this becomes a brilliant "insider" hack for 1337 operators.

if you attend one defensive pistol course, someone will mention this if not have it implemented

i personally recommend against modding your conceal carry weapon- prosecutor will insist you did it yo make your weapon "more deadly"
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>>28454380
When you replace every piece of wood on your boat, is it still the same boat?

At this point, just buy a couple parts and have two guns.
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Rubber bands wound around the grip - old school.
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>>28455124
Has any tried ranger bands? Aka bike tire inner tube? Very grippy.
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>>28454380
>it works
>time to gut everything

This is the no.1 reason 1911's aren't reliable; home gunsmithing

You are literally asking for it. I've done it with some success and wish I had just saved the dosh and bought what I wanted in the first place instead of modding an entry level gun.

I know the allure to mod it is very tempting, but I would seriously reconsider.
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>>28455124
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i personally recommend against modding your conceal carry weapon- prosecutor will insist you did it yo make your weapon "more deadly"

There is less evidence of this happening than the fudd lore about the sound of racking a shotgun scaring intruders away.
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>>28455147
the couple parts hes missing are the costly parts
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>>28453931
I loved when he got into Graham's sidearm in Red Dragon
>.44 Bulldog
>Mag-Na-Ported
>Fat aftermarket grips
>Loaded with Glasers
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>>28455177
I've seen anons claim that there was once a case where a guy's Hi Power (not even used in the incident in question) was used against him because he'd removed the magazine safety
Never heard an actual source so it may well be bullshit
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>>28455176
So should I just pay the smith to do it rather than doing it myself? He's a great 1911 guy who builds custom comp and defensive 1911s and has been in business for about 20 years now. I've had plenty of work done by him and it's always been great.
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>>28455177
This, especially with something as mundane as putting grip tape on. If that's the best thing the prosecution can come up with, your case is all but guaranteed to be ruled in your favor.
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>>28455213
I would, he has probably done what you're doing a hundred times and knows what to fit the first time.
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>>28455124
>i personally recommend against modding your conceal carry weapon- prosecutor will insist you did it yo make your weapon "more deadly"

Will this fuddlore ever die?
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>>28455124
>killing someone in self defense has to be done using no mechanical advantages whatsoever

Loretta Lynch pls go and stay go.
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>>28455177
I could be wrong, but doesn't Massad Ayoob advise against modifying your carry weapon?
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>>28455269
Yeah, it just seemed like a fun project and I was initially going to have him do it all but then started reading about it and watching videos and began wanting to do it myself.

I'll just have him do it and find another winter project on something less finicky. Maybe I'm just headstrong because I overhauled a 500 last winter by refinishing a vintage stock and forearm set and replaced all polymer and low end parts. I didn't have to do much fitting though at all.
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>>28455324
I don't know but I'm not modding my glock or my Sig because I don't want to fuck with the trigger or anything because I'm more concerned about failure or something along those lines than I am a prosecutor unless the trigger was just too light and caused an accidental/negligent discharge.
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>>28453931
I put blue tennis grip tape on my raven mp25, it looked pretty bad (no pic, I don't have it anymore)
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>>28455351
Yep, hammer/sear engagement should be done in a jig, disconnectors can vary in height, hell even thumb safeties can be finicky to get just right.

Best leave that one to a seasoned pro, you'll get way more enjoyment without the frustration of trying to make it work just right.
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>>28455400
Cool, I'll just have him do it. I'll post photos when I get it back. Just waiting until I get my W2 to see if I'll owe anything in taxes before I take it into the shop. I'm impatiently waiting, I started buying parts here and there in November.
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>>28455324
You dont want to heavily mod a potential defensive weapon, no. But grip tape, night sights, tac-lights, ect are not the issue. More so it's light triggers and handloaded ammo.
Also, I personally wouldn't recommend a punisher, molonlabe or zombie symbol on a weapon you may see in a courtroom.
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>>28455186
I enjoyed how Harris really played up the deadlines of Glasers. Unrealistic, but so cool. Talking about how they had only been used so many times, but had always resulted in an instant kill. Describing them as going off with a "hellish racket". That last scene where Molly empties the Bulldog into Dolarhyde's face, and the last line is something like, "He was slumped against the wall, his scalp was down to his chin and his hair was on fire." Man I love that shit.
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>>28454035

>hafted tools if you work wearing gloves
>hafted tools
>hafted

Do you mean handcrafted, you dumbfuck
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>>28455124
>i personally recommend against modding your conceal carry weapon- prosecutor will insist you did it yo make your weapon "more deadly"
ayy elmer long time no see
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>>28455177
Oh my god. You just reminded me that Alex c from tfbtv said that about the shotguns. He literally said he thinks a 12 gauge is the best hd because of the sound
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>>28455070
>different tape

so duct tape?
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>>28455509
its pretty obvious he meant haft as in the handle of a tool. you are the dumbfuck here
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>>28455673
Yes. Duct tape =\= skateboard tape
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>>28455509
Holy shit, son.
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>>28455509
who can spot the guy with velvety lady hands?
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>>28454035
Use it on my pedals after the rubber covers wear smooth.

>when your foot slips off the clutch pedal and stalls because your pedals are bare steel
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>>28455176
wot 1911 is that?
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>>28455124
This is as retarded as "don't cock the hammer" (how will they even prove it) or "don't use a laser".

Of course I want my carry gun to be kill-yer, it's a lethal weapon already, naturally I want to increase it's performance to make sure it's better at stopping an attacker.

By your inbred logic we shouldn't use hollowpoints.

>>28455150
Reminds me of that old timer gunshop owner who defended his store with a S&W M76 subgun, he had a spare mag rubber banded to the folding stock for quick access, his account was really hardcore, was like a late 80's action thriller.
Operator as fuck.

>>28455196
Sounds like bollocks.

>>28455324
It's more that you might not see that money again as it might end up in police lockup indefinitely, or you'll get it back after a long time and it's in dreadful shape.
Skateboard tape is completely expendable though.

>>28455524
I don't really like Alex anymore.
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>>28455176
>This is the no.1 reason 1911's aren't reliable; home gunsmithing

I would say it's shitty half-customs where people try to have their cake and eat it too.
I found this, and this guy kind of put it in a very logical way.
An RIA runs because it's built on OG specs, a Wilson Combat runs because it's built by experts to be a high end product, a Remington doesn't run as well as either because they're trying to make it something it isn't while staying within a certain budget.
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>>28455929
>anymore

Also I mean grip tape won't do you in but you'll look better with Gold Dots than Black Talons or RIP rounds
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he said i can smell ur cunt
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>>28453931
Thomas Harris was a crime reporter in NYC and went to the FBI academy to work with profilers. he's been around real detectives and investigators so he knows his shit, even little details like this make him stand out more then just giving her a .38 smith and Wesson and calling it a day. Same reason why will graham had a .44 bulldog with glaser safety slugs, mag na port barrel, bobbed hammer and fat grips
Him and Michael man would have gotten along great together if they ever made a movie
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>>28453931
shame the show didn't pay as close attention to detail as the books. Though they did have some decent gun porn/ Stainless Berettas, sigs, jack Crawford with a mossenburg shotgun
also
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vwHATDeJhU
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>>28456008
>Black Talons
Literally just mediocre hollowpoints intended for hunting and shit. There was absolutely nothing special about them, they were never teflon-coated or armor-piercing, the black color was the copper being oxidized to (in theory) protect rifling (if I recall right).

You can still buy them, under a different brand name, Winchester SXT.

>RIP rounds
That's snake-oil though, so you shouldn't use those anyway.

The prosecutor is fighting an uphill battle either way if he's trying to get you on what tools you used.
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>>28456003
So I'll take it to my gunsmith who specializes in 1911s and has been in business for 20 years. It's almost all wilson parts and I'll tell him to fit it for reliability. I don't care about the smithing charges.

If it is unreliable I'll just sell it when Hillary wins.
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>>28456126
If he's an experienced 1911 smith he should be able to get it to work.
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>Claire with 1911

So did claire get her own custom gun ? What happened to her model 10 with 158gr +ps?

Did the FBI upgrade in Hannibals timeline or did claire get a super cool upgrade?
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>>28454035
>Tires
Fucking wat.
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>>28455124
Fuddlore! Fuck off!
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>>28455446
Different anon here. If you want to try your hand at this stuff, start with building ar15s from parts. The tools should cost together under $100, and its very hard to fuck it up.
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>>28454035
You are lying. It is skateboards, guns and iphones
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>>28456243
in the book (the sequel I think) one of her friends is killed in a shootout and leaves her a 1911 as a present
also agents could upgrade from a revolver if they wanted. some carried 1911s or wonder nines once they were experienced enough and had rank. Id imagine being in the BSU and killing buffalo bill while still a cadet gave her some street cred to do what she wanted
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shooting with skateboard tape hurts my hands and cuts them up so I bitch out and always end up taking it off. I didn't think this was a common thing until today
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>>28456633
You are lucky... I could ridicule you but I wont. Dub dubs saved you this time, Stephanie.
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>>28453931
Hickok45 prob advised her.
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>>28456667
Too soon man, too soon.
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>>28456609
pretty cool.
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>>28456713
Why? His channels back. I was just on it.
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>>28456609
Movie of Hannibal starts with that shootout scene. One of those killed is her new boyfriend/past instructor at the academy.
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>>28456609
All this FBI talk makes me want to watch the X-files again.
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>>28456981
scullys guns were really weird early season.
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>>28456609
it took em till 1998 to accept a 1911 in 45?
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>>28457092
1995.
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>>28456981
>>28457079
anyone hyped for the reboot? Im looking forward to the guns theyre going to use
>scullys pistol is a .32 walther knockoff
early 90s where a weird time for the feds I guess
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>>28457092
no, it was Ok'd but more then likely it was just any 1911. You could bring in a colt, Springfield, ect. Then they introduced specific 1911s fit to their standards
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>>28455929
>This is as retarded as "don't cock the hammer" (how will they even prove it) or "don't use a laser".

Same thing with suppressors.

Everyone warns you to never have one on an HD gun, but what's stopping you from just unthreading it and tossing it in a cabinet while the cops are on their way?
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>>28456056
>Him and Michael man would have gotten along great together if they ever made a movie

Oh but they did.
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>>28456713
No tears friend, he is back with us.
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>>28456663
>Stephanie
>skateboard tape, being basically sandpaper, cuts someones hands
>they must be a girl
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>>28453931
colt revolvers, particularly the detective special. you cant an extra round and its not much bugger then a j frame, plus dat history. shame theyre not around anymore.
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>>28455854
>>28455176
Seconded.
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>>28456609
>replacing the Browing Hi-Power only a year after its adoption
>with a fucking revolver

Anyone have any idea why the hell they did this?
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>>28457751
I don't think they got replaced, they were introduced into circulation and then subsequent firearms followed. It seems this list is just in chronological order of what was introduced at what time. there also doesn't seem to be catagories, the FBI brand 1911 is only issued to HRT/ SWAT trained tactical units, so im assuming the Hi power is the same deal
then again I don't have anything to base this on and am talking out of my ass, so theres that
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>>28456609
anyone have a better quality pic of this?
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>>28457810
It's the September 2011 issue of American Rifleman, I'm sure it's around somewhere.

Aside from my bookcase which doesn't help you.
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>>28456981
Just restarted series last night
>MFW
Skull has a Walther pp Mulder a sig
Any guess which model of ak used in S5E19?
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>>28453931

I sprayed truck-bed liner on the front of my 1911's handguard, and then sprayed over it with a few layers of Clearcoat for chemical resistance. It seems to be working great and is totally reversible with some paint stripper.
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>>28457908
Norinco Type 84S-1 "Target" model.
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>>28457705
>>28455854

Les Baer Monolith
https://www.lesbaer.com/Monolith.html
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>>28461074
>Les Baer
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>>28455147
>When you replace every piece of wood on your boat, is it still the same boat?

who cares, it's still a boat

that type of question pisses me off for some reason
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>>28455213
YES!

I have a tuned 1911, and it required a quality smith. That stuff is never as drop in as claimed, and it requires fitting by an expert who knows what he is doing.

When we built my gun, it took several months, and he would install some parts, and I'd pick it up, shoot it, give him feedback, and then we either move on to the next parts, or adjust what I didn't like.

It was worth doing in the long run, but it's a project that requires patience.
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>>28457348
witnesses.

Your own mouth.

Forensics.

You think you can shoot an attacker and be cool as cops grill you while your body is flooded with hormones and adrenaline? Please, for your own sake, don't tamper with evidence after the fact.
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>>28455929

Your Honor, I figure if the police use hollow points to protect themselves and citizens, then I should too.

Was that so hard?

In stead of tweaking out your gun to be super duper killing machine (jesus, your already fucked, you don't even know it)...maybe you should actually learn to be a better shooter
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>>28461445
Much of it really isn't going to affect the operation of the firearm. I bought a few different weighted mainsprings just to find the right one for ensuring I don't get light primer strikes with a Ti firing pin. I'm going to start with the standard 23 lb mainspring in a new flat mainspring housing.

Pretty much it's going to be the trigger, sear, sear spring, disconnector, extractor, and ejector that are going to be what I'm most concerned about.

Unless I'm wrong, the commander hammer, beavertail, mainspring housing, hammer strut, slide stop and extended thumb safety shouldn't be too much of a worry. Oh and the magazine release, plug, recoil spring, and guide rod shouldn't take too much fitting I wouldn't think.

But yeah, when I take it in and go over everything with him, I'm sure we'll work out a solid plan.

Also rather than getting a new barrel, I'm just going to have him polish the feed ramp and throat.
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>>28461482
>talking to the police

Found your problem.
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>>28461505
>In stead of tweaking out your gun to be super duper killing machine (jesus, your already fucked, you don't even know it)...maybe you should actually learn to be a better shooter
There is literally not a single case in the USA where the weapon in question has been the turning point for the prosecution.

Either the shooter had committed another fault, or the prosecutor has nothing else left and is desperately grasping for straws.

Don't be a fudd faggot.
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>>28454035
What about ladders?
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>>28457972
They just had to ban import b4 I could reach 18
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>>28461540
Sounds like you have a good plan.

Doing it yourself would be rewarding, but having him check your work would certainly be fun and educational.

I think you are in for a lot of fun.
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>>28461664
More fucking excuses. Fine, play kitchen gunsmith. Stiple your shit up. You are still going to be an inferior shooter who has delusions of being Jack Bauer.

Fact: The very first thing the police will do with your gun is test the trigger weight and compare to factory stats. Forensic examiners have more armorer certifications than your local gunsmith. I wonder why?

Also, "grasping at straws" WILL be taken seriously. What you call desperate, juror #6 thinks is perfectly sound.

P.S. what is civil court?
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>>28461543
Notice how "don't talk to the police" gets repeated over and over and over?

Do you know why?

Because people run their mouth all the time.

There is a bloody body in your living room, and you are pumping full of adrenaline. You will be freaked out. You won't be as cool and calm as you are here.

Also, you know who says "I ain't saying shit without my lawyer"? Criminals. Good job on biasing the cops and DA against you.

There are things to say to the police that will help you immensely without self incrimination.. Go learn them.
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>>28455324
He does.

If you ever have the chance to take the second half of his class (2 days legal stuff), you should. It's really interesting. He also backs his stance up with actual cases, not theories.
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>>28453931
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>>28455124
Wow, the negative response to this obviously good advice only confirms my belief that most of /k are totally unprepared to defend themselves.

This is the result of the current generation of gun enthusiasts learning from Call of Duty and forums, not actual education and experience.

You are right anon.
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>>28462137
What they think doesn't matter, in fact trying to get their approval by running your mouth is what gets otherwise innocent men in jail. The cops are there to arrest you and the prosecutior is there to put you in prison, none of those guys are ever going to be your drinking buddies any te soon.

IF you are telling the truth AND IF you have a good lawyer that won't try to make deals because they don't know their asshole from their mouth you will get off even if you have a gun with 'Born to Kill', loaded with black talons engraved with swasticas and any other edgy shit you can think of.

The case is 'Were you justified in shooting a person who meant you grevious bodily injury or death' , not 'Do you visit you mother every Sunday?'.
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>>28462095
>More fucking excuses. Fine, play kitchen gunsmith. Stiple your shit up. You are still going to be an inferior shooter who has delusions of being Jack Bauer.
>putting grip tape or a laser on my gun means I don't practice
Faggot.

>Fact: The very first thing the police will do with your gun is test the trigger weight and compare to factory stats. Forensic examiners have more armorer certifications than your local gunsmith. I wonder why?
[faggot citation needed]

Again, show me one case where a person was prosecuted and sentenced PURELY because of their trigger or their gun, you cock inhaling faggot.
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If someone were to disengage the grip safety on their CCW (1911, XD, etc.) and use it in self defense, would they be in a world of shit, or would that just be waved off?

Pic semi related, Chicano oper8in' tactic
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>>28455177
>>28455230

You sound like faggot
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>>28462219

Fucking Christ, I'll spell it out as research seems to hard for you.

1) Make it clear you were the victim. State that you will be filing charges.

2) Acknowledge that you have just been in a traumatic event, and that you need to calm down and will make a statement tomorrow.

3) Point out witnesses or evidence that is crucial. "his friends went thataway" or " That lady over there was outside" or "he came out of that blue nissan".

Defensive shootings aren't in the comfy context of your living room, where the attacker should not have been. It's in the walmart parking lot, where a bleeding kid is screaming "he shot me for no reason! he called me nigger!"

But lets be honest, the odds are against both of us being in a defensive shooting, so who knows.
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>>28455509
If I could choose any Anon on 4chan to give me a hand job, it would be this one right here.
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>>28454380
> it works
> change it

You work in upper management, don't you?
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>>28462253

Huh, at no time did you mention what schools, competitions, or training you have. I bet your practice is barely existent, and consists of indoor range target shooting at 3 yards.

Source: MAG 40 curriculum and link below (which took .03 seconds to find on google).

Here you go, spoon fed information from lawyers and academics in the field of self defense shooting. If you need help with some of the words, you might want dictionary.com handy.

All these people are older, richer, and better educated than you in this field, but I'm sure they're just faggots too.
https://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/gun-modifications

Face it champ, you think a few /k memes are going to protect you in court?
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>>28455509
VELVETY

LADY

HANDS
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>>28462419
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>>28462456
I see a whole lot of ifs there, and mention of light triggers seem to relate to literal hair-triggers, which would be unsafe for any purpose.
I see mention of some faggot who shot his wife with the obvious intent of killing her.

Again, link me to some court cases where there was a defensive shooting where the shooter was actually put away simply because his gun wasn't standard.

Where are all the cases like that? Why don't we hear about people being put away? Bill had a laser on his LCR so the jury said second-degree murder, or that Johnny had a floorplate extension on his Glock 17 magazine? Why don't we hear about Steve being put away because he shot two home-invaders with his tricked out AR-15?

I should also point out that your weapon being taken for forensics isn't a guarantee in all places at all times.

You're arguing that you're educated, but you're not showing me any concrete examples or statistics, you're just saying "because that's how it is"

>>28462330
It's fucking true, the prosecution will try numerous angles, going for the gun itself is a last resort, I should also point out that we don't all live in California, Illinois or New Jersey, local culture matters for a jury as well.
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>>28462703
You won't get convicted for modifying your gun. That is a stupid assertion.

You will be convicted or lose civil case because your mods convince the jury that you were negligent/reckless/looking for trouble.

Do as you will, anon, but always know that when you put your faith in your gear and not in yourself, you will always fail.
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>>28462838
So because I put grip-tape or a laser on my carry gun means I have no confidence in my ability?
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>>28462985

Grip tape and bolt on lasers aren't gun mods.

The fact that you think a laser is useful is what tells me plenty about your abilities. I've been truly lucky to get to train with some world class shooters. None of them use lasers. Front sight 4 lyfe, ya know?

Look, I'm not trying to give you a hard time, really. I just believe we (as gun nuts) will be better served focusing on our marksmanship, speed, etc than adding gadgets or messing with internals of a firearm.

I do believe that messing around with your defensive guns (sights, grips, notwithstanding), is a waste of your time and money, and that would be better served by taking a 2-day course from a reputable instructor.

I also think in the post Zimmerman era, the wrong people will use anything they can against you. Juries aren't gun nuts, and any gun nut will be excused most likely. A lawyer can easily argue that if cops and soldiers can do the job with stock guns, then why did you remove the safety/lighten trigger/ etc.

I wish you well, anon, but I've got top get back to work. It's been fun.
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>>28463250
>if cops and soldiers can do the job with stock guns
>implying they do
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>every image in the thread expands to the "no fun allowed" robot
Is... something broken on my end, or is 4chan being a dong again?
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>>28463361
>implying the NYPD doesn't use sub-stock guns
The normal Glock is too killy, so we good logical NYCers decided to make it harder to shoot.
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>>28462196
keep fearing the wrath of skateboard tape
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>>28462301
The only way that could really get you (at least in a criminal case) is if the prosecutor tried to say you shot the guy accidentally. As long as you lawyer up and stick to an affirmative defense ("I shot him and it was the correct thing to do" vs "I didn't want to shoot him!") you should be fine on that count. Civil suits are a whole 'nother piƱata of bees though.
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>>28454074
No
If you pucker up too hard while it's in the deep and you can't hang on to it,
There's a chance it'll just get pulled in entirely
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>>28455461
What about happy face grips like the comedian
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>>28456609
Yeah, John Brigham. She kept that shit in a case and brought it out only when she went to Muskrat farm to rescue Hannibal on her vigilante mission. She ended up ditching it and it was found later "causing an embarrassment to the FBI" because it was registered to her.

For those who haven't read the books, Mason Verger is far more twisted in the book than in the movie or show. If there's one book in the series you wanna read, it's Hannibal.
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