>>28439318 Not while his intel is still relevant. After that it's really up to what my mission is. If I cannot have him securely transferred to any other unit more equipped with dealing him there's really no other option since I cannot keep him imprisoned while I'm on the move..
>go to war with a country like russia or china >19 year old conscript surrenders Yes. >jihadi john and his merry band of murderous rapist pedophiles Fuck no. Blind fold them, one in the back of the head
>>28439405 They die to the elements, its not the fault of people in charge of P.O.W's that their countries and governments don't fucking care about them >>28439407 nice ad hominem >>28439408 why would they ? >>28439423 It's not up the the soldier to decide the fate of P.O.W's, it comes down to government
>>28439431 The Nurembur trials ware probably the most illegal shit that ever happened, no only did German's got cuxed first time by having to pay for war, but second time they got fucking trialed for doing something everyone else did not only that they got fucking judged by the people they lost the fucking war to instead of their own country men, which is just beyond ludicrous
Nope I wouldn't. First of all I'm not a total edgelord, second of all the enemy needs to believe we actually allow them to surrender. I am however aware that emotions run high in war, you might start hating your enemy immensely.. so I can't promise I would never kill one.
>>28439519 They had no choice, Poles refused diplomacy, Brits ware blowing fairy dust up Poles ass on how they ware going to support them if shit goes down, Soviet Union was massing armies on Eastern Front, conflict was unavoidable
>>28439507 Are you really that dense? German Wehrmacht regulars =/= Nazis. That's the whole fucking argument. Just because a SELECT group commits atrocities during wartime doesn't mean the ENTIRE army should be held accountable. Imagine if every US soldier was compared to that faggot who killed 16 afghani civilians a few years back? Imagine if ALL US servicemen were villainized that way? Do you understand the slippery slope of your argument?
>>28439536 That's not it at all. People like to think that anything goes in war, but no, it doesn't. It's chaotic and it gets personal and messy etc.but never forget that as a soldier you are employed by a military organization and you have orders and laws you have to follow. You are not a savage with no consequences to worry about. Probably sounds like a buzzkill but that's the reality.
>>28439318 I would not execute a surrendered soldier.* Three point reasoning being: intel, morale, and professionalism. If you don't execute surrendered soldiers, there is less incentive for them to fight to the death, which may lead to easier victories down the road. Gathering intel from captured troops, also increases victory chances. Professionalism, may seem a bit odd but both are people doing a job, not much need to make things too personal.
*Enemies that do not accept prisoners will be less likely to have surrender accepted, unless the benefits outweigh the risk. Line troops might be spared some level of brutality, officers will be squeezed for intel then executed.
>>28439574 Both sides are committing heinous crimes against humanity, not only killing military personnel but civilians en masse, judging ones side leadership just because they lost the conflict is preposterous and it doesn't absolve the winnings sides crimes
>>28439620 >implying wherever their actual sympathies went, the majority of them were still war criminals and should have been treated the same as SS officers rounding up jews and putting them in ovens
>>28439598 That was their land, Poles ware raping, killing and robbing ethnic Germans in those lands, they refused to give Danzig, which had like 90% ethnic Germans living there, Poles refused a railroad to Danzig even if Germans said they would pay for it, Poles went full fucking retard pulling lions whiskers thinking they ware something they ware not
>>28439639 >our 1940's oven burns so fast, much faster than MODERN CREMATION IN 2016. Average time of a MODERN cremation: EIGHT fucking hours And you want to tell me that the Nazi's spent ALL that time and ALL those resources actually doing that?
Do you fucking believe comic books are history when you read them?
Why are people so fucking stupid? You honest to god eat up everything the government shits down your throat.
>>28439361 This is pretty much the only right answer.
>tfw I'm turning into a hippie I'd say if there was any way to get them into a close prison and it wasn't a big firefight sure, but how far out of your way would you be willing to go to save someone while under fire? Hearing a radio program on the Nigerian rehabilitation programs for Boko Haram fighters was actually really inspiring. Most of them reformed and were reintegrated into society after a while.
Remember, to their brainwashed heads you're just as much of an enemy. I would hope they would show compassion, but even if they didn't I'm an Amurrican and I like to think Amurrica is better than Jihadistan.
>>28439698 >The Vrba–Wetzler report offers the following description.
>At present there are four crematoria in operation at BIRKENAU, two large ones, I and II, and two smaller ones, III and IV. Those of type I and II consist of 3 parts, i.e.,: (A) the furnace room; (B) the large halls; and (C) the gas chamber. A huge chimney rises from the furnace room around which are grouped nine furnaces, each having four openings. Each opening can take three normal corpses at once and after an hour and a half the bodies are completely burned. This corresponds to a daily capacity of about 2,000 bodies... Crematoria III and IV work on nearly the same principle, but their capacity is only half as large. Thus the total capacity of the four cremating and gassing plants at BIRKENAU amounts to about 6,000 daily.
Mass cremation isn't actually that hard.
The Indonesians managed to do it on the fly after that big tsunami in 2004.
>>28439683 >muh shoes >muh hair >muh skin lampshades >muh cremation that takes 8 hours per body If you legitimately believe that the holocaust happened on the scale of '6 million' then you are an absolute fucking retard. Germany put ALL of their resources which was just barely enough to fight on two fronts. Why the FUCK would they waste it on Jews? It does not fucking matter that they tried to take over the country with communism. They would not have done that. Majority of deaths at concentration camps came from typhoid (from ally bombings) and, take a guess, ally bombings.
The victor writes history. So fucking easy to cover up your own war crimes by blaming the loser.
>>28439772 >no source >ignoring the fact that it isn't at all hard to build crematoria that can work at a rapid pace >ignoring the fact that archaeologists have found bone fragments consistent with cremation in the soil near Treblinka
All I can hear is damage control.
>>28439759 The main body that investigated the Holocaust, the British, actually had strong incentives to play down the killing of Jews in Europe. At this point Jews were flooding into Palestine at an alarming rate, and full scale insurgency was already going on.
>>28439775 > Fighting a war > doing everything in power to win the war > lose > the victors come and punish you to hanging for losing the war Lmao you can't make this shit up, in few hundred years we will look back upon that time and be like what the fuck ware they thinking
Honestly I dont know if I would accept the surrender of a jihadi faggot. Even the "white" bosniaks did some horrible shit to pow serbs when they got all buddy buddy with ayrab volunteers. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=793_1386090145 this guy knows whats up
>waving white flag to non white armies or pre cold war rueskies >ever
We are discussing about whether or not to kill POWs. And this involves drone operators as well. If people here talk about how they would shoot a sniper who has been killing his buddies from afar, I can say how I would flay and salt a drone operator for killing my buddies from afar.
>>28440335 If we have people attacking drone sites deep in the US then who we drone-strike is going to be the least of everyone's worries. Besides, you have to beat us first for anyone to worry about that.
>>28439561 >Poles refused diplomacy Why should they, still no excuse to stage a fake attack then team up with the Soviets, butt rape their country, then murder a large chunk of their population
>Soviet Union was massing armies on the Eastern Front To attack Poland. In agreement with Germany. Furthermore even if USSR did invade Germany it would have been better than attacking the USSR. Germans would probably have won that one, not mention have recieved help from the many anti-communist countries. Germany fucked herself.
>>28439635 >judging ones side leadership just because they lost the conflict is preposterous and it doesn't absolve the winnings sides crimes See, retards like yourself think that if I put 'The Nazis committed war crimes' then I also must think that nobody else did, since I didn't mention them. It's like you require EVERYTHING to be spelled out or you make random assumptions. We're well aware that the Russians did horrible shit, that the Japanese did horrible shit, that the Brits and Yanks did. Everyone did. But we're not talking about everyone, we're just talking about Germany. Not to mention that the Holocaust hasn't notoriety due to the numbers killed, or those killed. It's notorious due to the efficient and industrialised process. The meticulous records, the meetings, the paperwork etc etc
>>28440601 Pretty much, that's the main reason why the Nazis called themselves the National SOCIALISTS, even though they deregulated the economy. It drew a lot of support away from the Jewish Communists, and those who actually had deep rooted support in communism could be identified and purged
The Quran explicitly states that Muslims shouldn't mistreat captives of war. Honestly one of the few things I take from the Quran to heart.
076.008 YUSUFALI: And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive,- PICKTHAL: And feed with food the needy wretch, the orphan and the prisoner, for love of Him, SHAKIR: And they give food out of love for Him to the poor and the orphan and the captive:
>>28440847 Yet Isis does this because Hadith states that your prophet used to execute prisoners. So which one is the proper muslim way? And if it's you're way could you please try to explain that shit to you brothers in faith instead of us infidels who have our own rules, laws and treaties on the matter?
"Generally, a prisoner of war could be, at the discretion of the military leader, freed, ransomed, exchanged for Muslim prisoners, or kept in bondage. In earlier times, the ransom sometimes took an educational dimension, where a literate prisoner of war could secure his or her freedom by teaching ten Muslims to read and write. Some Muslim scholars hold that a prisoner may not be ransomed for gold or silver, but may be exchanged for Muslim prisoners."
They want to blow up the Kaaba, which is pretty deviant for Islam. And as we all know the middle east since forever has its fair share of loony spiritual interpretation i.e every radical Islam group.
I am a westernized man, and admittedly my faith says stupid shit, sort of like any other faith when seen through the eyes of enlightenment thinkers like Locke and Payne. So of course Im going to think the proper Muslim way isnt beheading women in cloaks and raping 12 year olds.
And if you think I can explain this westernized view to a bunch of middle class fanatics from a completely different (in my opinion backwards) culture just because I technically share the same faith, you're fucking delusional. Assuming you're a white protestant, I want you to explain to the Westboro baptist church that protesting fallen soldier's funerals is wrong. Will they listen to you? Fuck no. Now you want me to do the same thing to people who will cut my head off for being a "low Muslim".
And I understand Europe is being cucked by dune-coon immigrants, but I abhor the situation and Muslims doing that. As an American, I subscribe to the American way of life, and I think it's fucking dreadful that these SJW bullies are forcing the western world to "compromise". Know that I can do as much to them as you can fight femenazis.
>>28441133 Ok. Sorry for going in so aggressively but for most of the muslims I've met on the internet going in aggressively is going to create a strong response which usually betrays their fanaticism under that "moderate" mask.
>>28440791 It's not a power fantasy, it's practicality. You have to weigh the prisoners value against the complications that prisoner will create. If the prisoner is of no value, he's not worth any complications.
>>28441213 We should probably take this to /pol/ and not muddle this board with politics.But Europe needs a spine. Im sick of the SJWs pushing my faith on society. It's not for everyone, and they deserve to preserve their identity.
>>28441240 Yeah I completely understand and I forgive you. These are intense times and I sympathize wholeheartedly. There are too many Muslims pretending to be moderate, like snakes in brush. They're using the mask to force our faith down others throats and it's fucked.
>>28439318 No, I would not, and anyone who does should be beaten to shit and court martialed. War is already shitty enough, if the guy gives up and throw's his gun down, he's out of it, no need to take his life.
>Inb4 fucking edgelords who couldn't kill a mouse start talking shit about how they'd mow down rows of POWs
Hence why instead of being a "liberal Muslim", I am a somewhat-classically-Liberal, conservative Muslim who reluctantly agrees with much of what you say. I still maintain that Islam is he universal, true faith for Mankind and a mercy from Allah SWT. It also has nothing to do with "liberal" Postmodernism and the cancerous authoritarian leftism of Europe. There's not many better countries in which to be Muslim than USA, even now
>>28439407 Ah well you learn eventually. I could share with you some pictures of even SS soldiers helping bolsjevists, how no camp that has been inspeected by the US was deemed a destruction but mysteriously all soviet inspected camps were (and these folks sure are reliable) and the added chimney in auschwitz and shit like that. But in all fairness it is much more fun to see you in limbo between choosing to do some research yourself or keeping yourself knowingly ignorant. These kind of simple decisions are always very telling of someones characteristics.
>>28441426 I'm not being edgy, I'm telling the truth. War is war. I don't have some romanticized idea of it. You do what you have to do to survive, and if you think I'm putting my life in greater danger for some worthless enemy grunt, you're mistaken.
>>28441300 You. I like you. I knew a girl in high school who was very Muslim, and she was a delightful person. I try not to be judgemental about these things, but it's utterly shameful that so few people of faith can be as reasonable as you or she.
>>28439318 So first assumption is I am fighting as a civilian as there are very few chances conscription will ever get on the table again. I am in Western Europe, enemies will be cultural enrichment material or government forces. If I ahave to get in a fight it will be to defend my life, my family or/and my home or shelter. Let's consider the facts : I will not be able to take prisoners, detain them, feed them. That 's a logistical problem. Even if I am a part of a large (some tens of people) group the handling of prisoners will pose some tough problems. Hostages will not be useful, government will not hesitate to sacrifice their forces and dindus/sandniggers will not be in a situation were rescuing some of their own is needed. On a moral point of view, killing a disarmed, surrendering human disgust me, I am a Catholic and it will certainly forbids me to get a place into the Lord's Kingdom. However, the necessity of the moment, the need for violence in the conflict to perform dissuasive actions may conduct me to shoot a surrendering individual. In case I or my family, friends are directly threatened by a faction, I know my wife will be raped, I or my relatives will be killed in an horrendous way if the situation has to be inversed, I will not hesitate to eliminate the possibility to get rid of this menace. I am not military, I never got into a fight, I never try to kill a human being but history proves that these restraints don't last a split second (I am thinking of Balkans wars and more recently Lybia, Syria) in a violent situation. Of course I'll do it only if I am sure to not be punished on this earth and this time, put aside the Lord's judgment.
>be me, fighting in the 2053 chinese-american war >capture a chinese soldier about to kill a friendly POW >capture him >low on supplies, squad is shot to shit >another wave of attacking soldiers are coming >officer tells me to shoot the prisoner >remember what some fag on /k/ said about a code of honor >prisoner pulls the pin on a grenade he had hidden in his pants >blows my squad to hamburger meat >mfw
my grandfather did it in Vietnam apparently a VC fired at them but he and other 3 guys maneuvered while the others suppressed the area. One of his guys was wounded, he aimed directly at the guy and he proceeded to throw his AK down and put his hands up shaking them. In a moment of rage he fire the grenade launcher directly into his chest and transformed the guy in pink mist.
And that's how he gets his disability check because he is deaf. I guess the explosion was very near
>>28439318 >Am I a barbarian? No >Am I a professional soldier of a western army in this scenario? Yes
No I wouldn't: you never know what intelligence could manage to wheedle out of him if he knows anything. Also there are a certain few laws of war that should be obeyed by soldiers of any supposedly respectable and civilized country.
But fuck WWII-style partisans, reprisals against the civilians is retarded though.
>>28441953 Not him, but paleos look for exposed bone, then dig around it. GPR relies on difference in dialectric properties. I'm not well versed on how different (dialectrically) old bones are from soil, though so I can't make a statement on whether or not they would be picked up
>>28439318 The Laws of Land Warfare tell us that a surrender need only be accepted when it is practical to take prisoners, and when doing so will not endanger your own troops or jeopardize your tactical objective.
For example: If you're a LRRP and in enemy territory, you are not obligated to accept surrenders. If you're a flanking unit pushing forward to take an objective, and there's no one handy to hand the prisoner off too, you are not obligated to accept surrenders. If you take a fortified position by storm, and accepting surrenders would slow your critical momentum, then you are once again, not obligated to take prisoners.
Examples where you would be obligated include persons like downed pilots behind your lines, where they can be imprisoned safely and conveniently, or routed enemy troops overtaken by a pursuing force.
Rule of thumb: If it's easy, then break out the handcuffs, otherwise he's SOL.
>>28439318 Honestly it depends on the context of the situation. My relative position to enemy and friendly positions, what is the mission, what is the supply situation and probably some other factors that just don't pop into my head atm. If there was no reason to kill the surrendering enemy, I would take prisoners.
>>28439666 >Poles ware raping, killing and robbing ethnic Germans in those lands Are you fucking kidding me? You honestly fell for an almost 90 year old propaganda operation? Operation Himmler, look it up.
If threat, kill. Threat includes: >possible run away and tell friends where am >straining my resources/needs guarded/fed but I don't have supply chain >unable to prove not a threat >combative in any way Unless, can prove not a threat and there are resources to deal with, is best to kill enemy. Question is, who is enemy?
>>28441253 The day when nerd wargamers stop using the word "decimation" when defeating an enemy or seeing a team lose;instead of simply killing every tenth man of a surrendering army unit to fold into your own forces.
I'm not even military but I guess if I managed to keep a "cool head" in combat, a surrendering professional soldier is just like me, just a professional doing his job, in which case I most likely take him with me captured. I'd try to treat him as best as possible, as I'd like to be treated if I where him.
If he's militia or some jihadi john I'd have second thoughts about it, because in the end he's a nobody that willingly joined combat just to kill me for some dumbshit reason. It's not his job to kill me, unlike mine, that is.
So I guess militia faggots deserve to be killed. Why would I have second thoughts about killing someone that wants to kill me?
>>28439399 No doubt some of the other respondents have Jewish relatives, so here goes
Oy vey, my great uncle in law died in one of those camps, goy! Don't you remember the burning down of the Berlin Bagel factory in 1942? Salmon and pretzels, it was the biggest shoah of our time! He couldn't even pass on his vouchers before he was taken.
No - regular or irregular, unless i would have a reasonable doubt (at the time of threat "reasonable" is a very subjective, broad and vague term) that the person will willfully pose a threat to my comrades and/or myself. This is of course only a reflection of my views on morality - i cannot predict how drastic circumstances such as combat will affect my actions.
We stole the national socialists ideas and inventions. The capitalists and the communists both stole as much from the national socialists as we could after the war.
Konrad Zuse invented the computer 1941
Jet plane was invented in 1939 by Heinkel Flugzeugwerke
The first manned rocket flight in 1945 by pilot Lothar Sieber
Stealth technolgy was invented by the Horten brothers during the Reich
Audio technology using magnetic tape was a Third Reich invention. Copying German tape recorders was how the famous American corporation Ampex got its start. Magnetic tape was also essential later for the video tape recorder. Allies hadn't a clue how the Axis was transmitting speeches and programs hours apart to different locations and having them sound "live." It was top of the list of technologies to capture as the war concluded.
Management systems for keeping massive and complex development programs on track was another "invention" transferred to the US, along with its scientists and project managers. These systems allowed the Germans to have developments underway in numerous categories and perform them remarkably well.
Missile technology: Ground-to-ground, air-to-air, air-to-ground, ground-to-air, ship-to-ship, etc., using wire guidance, TV guidance, IR guidance (everything but laser quidance). Most of these missiles were not at the highest form of development, but their work launched and made a bundle of money later on for corporations like Boeing, Raytheon, Hughes Aircraft, North American Aviation (Rocketdyne Div.), etc. All of these companies had their German "Chief Scientist" heading up research and development operations.
The promising IR technologies were mostly all developed during the Third Reich. They had "night vision" devices while the Allies were still wondering if such things were possible.
Modern sewer treatment facilities are all derived from Third Reich technology. You've probably seen them with their settling ponds and huge skimmers.
Application of geophones for seismic wave detection was used for locating artillary.
The "rail gun" was another significant invention, which the US and SU copied. This weapon employes a series of ring magnets to propell a rail mounted projectile. The significant feature of this "gun" is that it can accelerate the projectile at a speed nearing infinity -- at least in theory. Conventional explosives are limited by their individual, finite rates of expansion and hence constrained in how fast they can make a projectile move.
The intial "invention" of the Third Reich that made everything possible was the breaking away from the international banking system, which made its money on debt finance; i.e., usury. This act was probably the most important event which caused WWII to later occur. In the Thirties the German economy was booming and all sorts of new humane benefits were granted to workers. Elsewhere, deep economic depression was underway, and Roosevelt, for instance, really couldn't get things to moving until we went into a war economy mode.
You cannot have national socialism without rounding people up and killing them, because those who are obsessed with greed, hoarding wealth and power and abusing it will never do what is best for our species and our nation.
They will always have to be killed because they will drop gas on your fucking house if you try and benefit our species and our nation before you benefit their insatiable desire to abuse their power and live as kings ruling over peasant slaves and subjects.
It is our human nature to be greedy and lust for wealth and to hoard it.
But National Socialism elevates us out of such a barbaric greedy animal system of shekel lustfulness.
>>28449835 >Konrad Zuse invented the computer 1941 And what. Do you think he shared his research with the allies who built the Colossus (and actually used it for a task of supreme importance in the war, code breaking)? What did the Nazis use his computers for? Oh right they failed to notice or exploit it. Typical.
Frank Whittle independently invented the turbojet engine.
There is no proof that Horten brothers were aiming for stealth shaping. The methods for calculating returns for different surfaces didn't even exist, let alone the computers.
>Management systems Axis war time economy and R&D is famed for being a cluster fuck. US wartime management was way better. They developed and fielded tons of technologies with no waste to wunderwaffe hubris.
Yes they had some technologies that had no allied analogues. But the converse holds true also, and many of the technologies allies had were high impact.
>>28440235 You know, this brings up an interesting thought. Infantrymen who carried flamethrowers were pretty much universally despised, sometimes even by their own comrades, for using a horrible, inhumane, yet effective tool for dispatching dug in troops, to the point where anyone caught with a flamethrower would often just be executed on the spot despite the consequences of anyone else that was captured.
I wonder if a drone base does get overrun eventually, would the same treatment happen to drone operators? Ideas on honor or not, some people are bound to be pissed as hell after suffering drone attacks repeatedly, and I wouldn't doubt it'd leave some nerdy looking fellows flayed on a stake by vengeful ground forces in the thick of it.
>>28453844 They dont teach that side of the story in schools. We only hear about how they killed the jews and turned them into soap. The Allies put a lot of effort in after the war to make sure the Germans where thought of as evil.
Only if not doing so put me at increased risk of dying for whatever reason. I wouldn't kill for fun (which is why I don't particularly want to join the military) but if I even thought for a second he'd Allah ackbar me or if I was told I had to kill him I guess I would.
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