Holy shit guys:
A "binary" trigger system that fires a round when you pull the trigger and when you release it. How long until the maker of it is v8?
Suggesting that his skin color has anything to do with our opposition to his presidency is insulting to us all.
Go fuck the fuck off. I don't like him because I disagree with him, it has nothing to do with the color of his skin.
100% legal. The initial pull and the release are individual manipulations of the trigger. Same reason gatling guns are legal. You can modify a Mini 14 to do this with a paperclip, no one's been v& for that.
It would take me a while to find it, but I believe the ATF has stated in the past that something like this would be legal. They interpret "a firearm that discharges more than once with a single pull of the trigger" very, very, very literally.
Of course, the ATF is known to change their mind on a whim, so, there's that.
>Of course, the ATF is known to change their mind on a whim, so, there's that.
Which they will once a few thousand people buy it, then they'll demand all the people that bought them turn them in.
That's their new mandate. I honestly don't care since I don't have much interest in the concept, but it's legal now and no one's going to get vanned for buying one. The worst that would happen is losing whatever money you drop on the product.
How do you not fire the second shot though? It makes me feel a bit uneasy knowing it will go off when I release the trigger, and it could be an issue at 3-guns if you finish a stage with an odd number of shots.
That'd be pretty difficult, Anon. I mean, hypothetically, if there was information available on how to do so correctly, I know of people who would consider an 80% to mill out quietly and make F/A for when the confiscation/SHTF happens, since Marstar's parts kits contain the correct parts, but these people I know of don't know where to look for the differences between a regular and F/A lower and the extra holes/milling required.
IDs would be best. Flags would not be optimal unless you break them down to state flags and foreign nation flags with province/state flags for them as well. Even then they won't be as good as IDs.
That's just because he was pulling the trigger too fast. Something tells me a second generation with either a heavier spring or long trigger pull would help alleviate the occasional issues
> Google, nigger.
Franklin Amory's BFS lower is $730ish
Drop in trigger is about $340ish
I'm thinking of buying a complete lower,it will complete my second AR beautifully, other is slide-fire'd (the $99 one).
More firepower ALWAYS equals better.
>What's with americans and disrespecting the goverment's lawmaking?
If you need to ask why, you wouldn't understand.
The id's are thread specific like the trip code I just made up right now. Flags prevent all the asinine questions about jurisdiction when someone asks gun law questions. Say what you want but /pol/ got this one right.
After holding the trigger for a certain amount of time it disables second shot. You can also keep the trigger held down, switch your selector to single and let go of the trigger just fine.
The ATF has repeatedly stated that it's okay and has held that opinion for years (see answer 17 in pic related). Trigger groups capable of this have been available for the Mini 14 since some time in the 90s (when the ATF first made that ruling) and I'm honestly surprised it took this long for a company to release a trigger group like this for the AR-15.
See >>28440683, the ATF has held this ruling for about 20 years now, if it was something like the Sig brace they would have gone back on the ruling before 4chan was even a thought.
I wan't a circular trigger, kind of like pic rel. Shit would be gucci af
>there's people on /k/ who haven't even used these
If you hold the trigger for long enough, the second shot will not fire. I don't know how long it takes, or how it exactly it does that, but you can see him demonstrating that in the video above.
I would personally not use it for that reason though, because I don't necessarily have faith in something like that. Also, constant jams is kinda of a no no to me.
Hey guys I've been following development of this trigger since shotshow last year
This trigger is not completely drop in, some guys on arfcom couldn't get it in multiple lowers, it needs to be custom fitted to each lower, honestly although the price is excessive I think your best bet is to get the complete lower from them.
pretty easy, and a staple works too
there are two sears in a Mini-14, one that catches the hammer when it is pushed back by the bolt, when you release the trigger, the primary sear then catches it until you pull the trigger
these two sears are spring loaded, so all you need to do to turn it into a binary fire gun like this is wedge a staple or other small object between the two
it slightly spreads them so that the main sear wont catch
I've circled the area where you insert the paperclip or staple or whatever
just drop the hammer, open the two sears a bit and wedge it in
At the point in time when bullets can pass through the inter-dimensional walls. When firepower takes up the entirety and eternity of space and time, all being stuck in a never-ending life and death cycle as bullets recover and destroy their bodies in quick succession. No one is able to think about anything but the sheer force of the bullets rapidly flying literally everywhere in the materium turning the warp itself into nothing but a sea of automatic weaponry.. Then there will be enough dakka. Or, at least almost.
Could you make a trigger that connects to the bolt somehow, then when the bolt comes back into battery it knocks the trigger out to before it's breakpoint, so all you need to do is apply steady even pressure to the trigger and the bolt makes the trigger reset itself with no need to release the trigger?
>was hyped about this trigger
>faux 2-round burst
>see this review
>they couldn't fix hammer follow
If you're going to design a trigger like this, you need to make sure hammer follow is non-existent.
Fuck the government. That's exactly what this is about. They don't have our best interests in mind, they have their personal interests in mind.
Because we know it's bullshit, and they know it too.
>well you can register a new MG for 200$, and about a 9 month waiting period
Oh, that's not too bad, really. I mean, it takes a while, but at least I can have it.
>meanwhile in 1986: LOL FUCK YOU GUYS
Dude what the fuck? Nobody wanted thi
>LAWL we represent what we want to
Anyways, people want full auto, yet don't have 5000 fucking dollars for a beat to shit gun.
>Inb4 retards mail the ATF about it forcing them to make a ruling
Other boards on 4chan have them as well as other chans. You are still anonymous but in every thread you get a new gibberish trip code. And your countries flag if you do it like /pol/.
I think I'd have to shoot one of these to make a decision when reset is so important in a firearm. Does it fire when the trigger resets? I suppose you could still be accurate with one if the trigger had a nice reset. I personally would never buy one though.
You know what, this is America good sir. I have the freedom to use whatever, whenever I so fucking deem so to defend my home. Retard fast firing gun? Yes please. But it would not stop there. I want to invoke fear into the hearts of those who are attempting to or think about stealing from me. That's why my home defense weapon is a god damn Czech 26.5mm flare pistol loaded with parachute flares. You know what's in the flares? Fucking white phosphorus. You know what's banned by the Geneva Convention? That's right, Willy fucking Pete. You know where my house is? It's not in a god damn war zone, but I will make sure that the random redguard thinking my own home is a safe gateway to free rims and subwoofers via the pawning of my goods is met with the power of fucking hellfire. That's right. I will fire a god damn flare up a black mans ass to show the neighborhood what's what. And as that white phosphorus burns a hole in his ass, and that parachute pops out his anus like a god damn cork on New Years, you will bet my pasty white ass I will be gleaming with joy and an enormous freedom boner as I throw his rancid ass out my door for the whole world to witness him as an example of the consequences of my crime.
tl;dr: get fucked commie, this is America.
>And as that white phosphorus burns a hole in his ass, and that parachute pops out his anus like a god damn cork on New Years, you will bet my pasty white ass I will be gleaming with joy and an enormous freedom boner as I throw his rancid ass out my door for the whole world to witness him as an example of the consequences of my crime.
That would require a drop-in auto sear or something equivalent which the ATF already considers to be a machine gun.
apparently the ATF confirmed it's legal. They take the "one round with one trigger pull" very very literally. So as long as two rounds aren't coming out of the gun when you pull the trigger, it's ok if a round comes out when you release the trigger.
Weird laws, like always. libtards always talk about "common sense gun laws" and I agree, we need a serious dose of common sense with shitty laws. Any law that looks at two rifles that are 100% identical in every way except one has a foregrip and the other doesn't, and say the first is illegal and banned but the other isn't, has no common sense.
It just needs something to prevent the hammer from falling until the bolt is fully forward. Then if you let go of (or pull?) the trigger too quickly, it should delay itself for only the optimal amount of time.
The only thing this trigger system needs is added consistency, that's it. For most rifles, most people can reach the halfway point for the platform's theoretical maximum cyclic rate with their finger alone. Doubling the amount of shots per trigger pull will easily send them above and beyond the physical limit, so the system must be able to regulate itself.
IIRC a guy on reddit sent the ATF a letter asking about combining this with an assisted reset trigger or a bumpfire stock and it was said to take out the second action of the trigger release, making it a machinegun
If I was 'merican I'd buy this in a heartbeat, especially after yesterday.
Even though it's 734 dollarydoos for just the lower, and I know you could build a decent normie AR for that price.
Inb4 ATF comes back on their ruling, just like the braces.
The ATF didn't ban braces though, they just said that
>lol shouldering it is kinda making it an SBR
Anyway, the things aren't reliable enough yet, once they come out with a second generation that has a rate reducer or hammer retarder then it might be worth looking into. At the moment it doesn't look functional enough to drop $399 on the trigger pack alone.
>implying there will be a 2nd gen at all
>implying ATF won't rule it as a machinegun with the hammer retarder because lolATF
How would you even prevent the hammer from riding the bolt home? All I can think of is some kind of sear that would interface with the rear of the BCG, that would allow the hammer to fall when the bolt is in battery and the trigger is released.
I really think that would be ruled as an autosear since a sear makes contact with the bolt to allow the hammer to fall. Unlike this current system that is only a trigger based mechanism and only interfaces with your finger and the safety lever in the lower. There is no interaction with the upper at all.
Not really autistic, but annoying as fuck.
>be me this monday
>just built my first AR (its also the first long gun I've ever owned)
>zeroing my new aimpoint
>zeroing for 36 on a 25 yard range, so I'm kind of trying to concentrate
>pic related takes stall next to me, "hispanic" version of pic related is tagging along
>both pull out beat up stolen looking ARs
>They set up targets and push send them out to about 15 yards (at this range they have a rule about not shooting closer than the maximum 25 yards available)
>The two crackheads literally cant shoot better than 1ft groupings at 15 yards
>Every five shots they pull the targets back to the stall and loudly exclaim stupid urbanisms like "I told you, dey cant touch me", "fuck naw, nigga", "fuck wid it", etc.
>Continues for a whole loud ass, mindless, annoying hour
I got my rifle zeroed, but jesus, these dudes were annoying.
Also, I couldn't understand how they weren't looking around and seeing literally every other person with a an AR shooting at 25 yards and getting no worse than 2in groupings.
tfw people really are this out of touch.
That Jefferson quote is bunk. True, but bunk.
Have this one.
/k/ is the easiest board to troll and collect (you)'s because it's full of inbred rednecks with room temperature IQs and marines (also with room temperature IQs) who knowingly take the bait out of boredom.
>>It just needs something to prevent the hammer from falling until the bolt is fully forward. Then if you let go of (or pull?) the trigger too quickly, it should delay itself for only the optimal amount of time.
That's exactly what the DIAS piece does, it holds the hammer until the bolt is forward. It's considered a machine gun piece because it's basically required for for full auto and not required for semi-auto.
That would work but it would make for a shitty trigger pull
That could work better. An AK74 style hammer delay would work. As long as the ATF doesn't have an aneurysm about the part.
You know, I can see this actually being a military thing one day. If you're going to put a 2-round burst in a gun, why not make the timing of the second shot controllable by the user? Not only that; the speed at which it operates means that the user can switch to performing almost-automatic fire without having to flip any controls. Designs like the AN-94 are philosophically the opposite way around, but most rifles would benefit.
>So as long as two rounds aren't coming out of the gun when you pull the trigger
Dear ATF: Go suck a dick.
I can not see it as being all that difficult. Just a simple spring lever that blocks the hammer from moving forward until the bolt is seated (which flips the lever). Alternatively, a nub is machined into the bolt that pushes a lever down when it is forward, which moves the lever out of the way of the hammer.
It will have to be more than a drop in trigger pack but I really don't see how this will be difficult or expensive to do.
The ATF made a ruling on this type of trigger about twenty years ago, you can do the same thing to a Mini-14 and presumably the M1A and M1 with a well placed staple. If the ATF wanted to shit all over people they've had a couple decades to do it.
Yeah and the issue with hammer follow is pretty bad. It would take a lot of practice to get to the point of not having to worry about it, but I'd imagine even then without some way of preventing the hammer from falling until after a certain point it would occur from time to time.
This is cool and all, but to pay $400 to waste even money fucking around with mag dumps seems like far too much. Still better than dropping $20k on an RDIAS though.
>go to their website
Why wouldn't they pick another frame instead of the beefy frame of the beretta 92?
>...how? does it fire mini shells out of a proprietary single stack mag or is it single shot? I need to know
apparently you don't know what "2.75"" means faggot. all it "reads" is that it adds a 12ga chambered slide assembly to the beretta92/96 and that it is legally a DD due to being a pistol with a bore over an inch. a 92fs magwell isn't 3 goddamn inches deep