Try finding a Vietnam photo cooler than this
Pro tip: you can't
>Try finding a Vietnam photo cooler than this
Here you go
Namthread is a go?
M16 is more accurate?
AK is more reliable?
Glad there is a new Nam thread.
Is there any tips/tricks in modifying or altering M-56 web gear to be... well, better.
One i can think of is changing the alice clips so that the smooth sides rests again your hips and that is alot better.
Friend was in vietnam and he said that NOBODY ever looked up into the trees. So that might be a good place to hide or look in general.
Also here is some picture my buddy brought back
/r/ing the pic of the navy guy loading an M14 with a foregrip. Ya'll know what i b talking about.
Is this a new Vietnam thread? I just read a story in a book about SOG that I thought you guys might like to hear
>1965, Vietnam War
>Pentagon has authorized MACV-SOG to conduct operations over the border into Laos as part of Operation Shining Brass
>SOG Recon Team Alaska is inserted into the Laotian wilderness to gather intelligence on the Ho Chi Minh trail
>Overcast skies and rainy conditions provide good cover for the team despite the high levels of activity; however, RT Alaska is happened upon by an NVA patrol; the patrol is eliminated, but the team lost one of its indigenous personnel and was forced into E&E mode
>RT Alaska spends four days evading enemy search parties; the NVA presence increases daily, until finally, contact becomes unavoidable
>RT Alaska is pursued by a large NVA element; severely outnumbered, they are forced to retreat up a hill and into a large patch of elephant grass
>RT Alaska's One-Two radios the USAF forward air controller circling the area in an old Cessna O-1 Bird Dog and requests tac air and an immediate extract
>Meanwhile, the NVA have surrounded Alaska's position; rather than pursue them into the grass however, they set the thicket on fire with flamethrowers, in the hopes of forcing the team into the open
>Coughing against the smoke and forced to switch positions several times within the thicket, Alaska nevertheless refuses to exit the grass
>A pair of F-105s begins strafing the NVA with 20mm cannon fire and bombs; the NVA refuse to retreat, and begin firing upon the thicket and the CAS birds
>At some point, an H-34 Kingbee helicopter, piloted by Cowboy, one of SOG's South Vietnamese Air Force pilots, lands right in the middle of the thicket, despite the flames and heavy enemy fire
>Aside from the one man killed in the initial firefight, every member of RT Alaska is extracted alive and unharmed
This was one of SOG's very first recon missions. And that isn't even the craziest story I've heard about them.
oh this is perfect.
taking a course on the US in Vietnam. Any good topics to do my paper on?
Im leaning towards the air war or to the tactics of the US armed forces during search and destroy missions.
Im not asking to be spoon fed, but want input in what would be a good topic.
Maybe operation phoenix (though I don't have much info on it)
I thoroughly enjoy going through my dad's marine induction yearbook.
>landmine - guam - refused home and landmine again - guam - died from anesthesia.
>will post pics if want
This one looks less staged and more authentic.
The disconnect between the CIA's estimation of the south's abilities and the policies that backed them.
Ho Chi Minh's entreaty to have the the US back the North, in the 1950s.
>The disconnect between the CIA's estimation of the south's abilities and the policies that backed them.
ooooh that sounds interesting. Might have to look into it to see if there's enough scholarly articles to do a project on it.
I'll keep the theme in mind and look into CIA operations in Vietnam
Here's a freebie:
Not 100% accurate, but that's where the paper comes in.
This happened & was actually dropped on the enemy.
It's called "The Bitch" - it was a common field modification for the SASR.
>Cut it down.
>Make it full giggle.
>Knick a GL off the merrycans.
>Remove unnecessary furniture.
Then proceed to kill everything in sight.
They look like heat shields - probably impossible to get nowadays, but it should be easy to nigger rig using the heat shield off on an 870, and a slim AR barrel shroud as a base.
This brotha not fucking around.
Don't you know? Diamond Dogs was all over that shit.
Those Kingbees they used were old even back then. They leaked hydraulic fluid constantly, their inner workings were exposed in the troop compartment, and they usually weren't armed with anything more than old WWII-surplus M1919 machine guns. Despite all that, the early recon teams loved them. They were tough as nails, and tall enough that you could set one down against a slope for a hillside extract without having to worry about damage to the main rotor.
Even more loved than the birds were the pilots. South Vietnamese Air Force, mostly. Very flamboyant, and the bravest sons of bitches most of those men had ever met.
Still, for all of that, I'm sure there weren't many complaints when they switched over to modified UH-1s.
>Lt. Col. A. Peter Dewey
>killed by the Viet Minh on September 26, 1945,
>they thought he was French
No this is a rhodesian.
Explain the jungle fatigues and M56 webbing.
>French 1st Foreign Parachute Regiment, Hanoi 1950
>A French Naval Aviation Grumman F8F Bearcat dropping napalm on Viet Minh, November 1953, Operation Mouette
>Capt James "Earthquake McGoon" B. McGovern, Jr.
>died flying CIA missions for the French during the Battle of Dien Bien Phu, 1954
He looks a lot like Woody Harrelson.
>According to Squadron Historian Holt Livesay, on 4 November on the last mission of the 1965 cruise, CDR Clarence W. Stoddard, Jr., Executive Officer of VA-25 "Fist of the Fleet", flying an A-1H Skyraider, NE/572 "Paper Tiger II" from Carrier Air Wing Two aboard USS Midway carried a special bomb to the North Vietnamese, It was to commemorate the 6-millionth pound of ordnance dropped. This bomb was unique because of the type... it was a toilet!
>French Marines posing with Lebel Model 1886s, Tonkin, Vietnam, 1888
I have never found what the goal for victory was in vietnam. Best I can conclude is that we were protecting the south from invasion by the NVA?
Was the plan to break the NVAs back, and have them surrender?
Not Nam' but still badass.
>you will never be a French commando strutting through the streets of Saigon with defeated Japanese soldiers saluting you
Perhaps the Vietnamese perspective of Americans and how it changed from before the war, during the war, and to the present day. For some reason I cannot fathom they seem to like us a lot today despite everything that happened. Another interesting tidbit is that Ho Chi Minh liked to smoke American cigarettes and drink Heineken (the last one may not be true).
If I remember correctly, wasn't this the guy who was driving through Hanoi (or Saigon, can't remember) at night and the Viet Minh ambushed his car, and then later apologized because they didn't know he was American? Up until a certain point HCM really wanted us to back him and we had OSS guys with them for a bit. If FDR had lived, he may have gone against the French and approved of an independent Vietnam. Or not, what-ifs leave too much to the imagination.
Jesus, were the French in that bad of shape to issue their guys outdated gear like that? Also do you have any more of the French in 'Nam?
Keep South Vietnam intact, stop the VC, stop NVA incursions from the North, Laos, and Cambodia all while not going to a full war setting and with extremely vague immediate goals, oftentimes nonexistant.
I've got an Aussie with a FAL, does that count?
In the meantime I'll add some more pics.
The Lebel Model 1886 was pretty cutting edge fuck everything else, they are French Colonial Marines not the French army.
>For some reason I cannot fathom they seem to like us a lot today despite everything that happened
It's simple really.
1)It's ancient history for a lot of Vietnamese people. It was a long time ago and most people are over it or were born after it had ended.
2)USA helps keep China in check. Vietnam will always hate China more than anybody.
I would expect more animosity given the amount of people that died, and shit like My Lai. We were at war for over a decade, then we embargoed them for about two more. And yet relations have never been better.
>French soldiers in Tonkin, c.1890
They are French.
They like us because Clinton thawed relations with Vietnam, plus ever since the US left Vietnam. China has been an ever growing threat to the Vietnamese. They fought one war and had a skirmish with them. So the Vietnamese have to deal with something more threatening and thus don't have time to think about the war they fought against the US and France
What makes the west more likable is that although we fought them, we were a foreign power (so when we left from a military point of view, we really DID leave) and because we basically put the conflict behind us.
Plus the US just lifted its arms embargo on Vietnam two years ago, which means that we're going to probably start selling them western equipment once Russia's alliance with China becomes a dealbreaker ( e.g. Russia doesn't want to give more equipment to Vietnam for fear of angering china) for Vietnamese purchase of Russian equipment
They HATE Chinese there. A guy I met while there gave me a huge lecture on how they hate Chinese and how Chinese who go there are treated like shit.
So basically, we're going to become the buddies HCM always wanted us to be?
>tfw you wil never operate innanam with an Obrez M14
DESU we should have backed Mao after the Sino Soviet split. As bad as we knew communism could be, it wasn't our job to fight it for them. Let them go commie first and experience the hell, then slowly bring them back to a moderate position.
>French Colonial Marine Infantry Officer in Vietnam, circa 1919
We did back them, it just took a little longer for us to figure out how to leverage the split.
Fucking faggy French.
Russia is really trying to hold onto Vietnam as an ally, but geopolitics will mean that it will slowly shift towards the US and its pacific allies.
Im probably over estimating, but expect them to start flying F35's (or other western fighters) as of 2025
There's that assumption that all communism is created equal.
Initially, Ho Chi Minh wanted to build a democracy, because, he wanted American support a whole hell of a lot more than Russian.
As mentioned, Vietnamese Hate the Chinese. That gets even easier when they've just killled 80 million peasants.
>Vietnamese Soldiers at the Battle of Ypres 1916
That or insect repellent. He was a M60 operator so im gonna assume it was oil. That shit was extremely common brah
First female reporting casualty in war died in the first year. She was kinda dumb goin with the marines desu, those guys always had it hard
It was closer to dawn, and his jeep was no longer flying a U.S. flag as was his normal practice. Ho accepted responsibility, but provided no details. Just as likely Dewey was killed by English (Gurkha) forces in the area.
Yeah, guys used to strap all sorts of things to their helmetbands: packs of cigs, deathcards, stripper clipazines of 5.56, and bottles of LSA like in that pic. There were concerns over the white bottles compromising the effectiveness of the helmets' camo so the clear bottles were discontinued and manufactured in OD green instead
>French clearing a Viet Minh tunnel
>Muzzle in the fucking dirt
Jesus, how heavy were those fucking things. I mean considering the stalight scope looks about the same size of fuggin tank shell I'm assuming it wasn't like carrying a can of coke
I've got essentially nothing to contribute to this thread aside from the fact that Vietnamese people are absolutely fucking based. I just got back from a wedding of a good friend (Viet exchange student) I met in university. I stayed in Ho Chi Minh City for the most part and nearly every person, young or old, was so incredibly nice to me. I had a particularly good conversation with a friend of the bride's about how our grandfathers likely fought against each other at the Tet Offensive in May of 1968 and ended up getting drunk together in 2015. Shit was so surreal and cool.
10/10 will be going back again
Oh, I remember these. CISO cooked them up for MACV-SOG after a few recon teams were tracked by the NVA via their bootprints.
The first solution to that was to wear Ho Chi Minh sandals over the boots. For some reason that didn't pan out.
Then came these cockamamie things. They didn't last long. They were uncomfortable and had zero traction.
Then when the NVA started wearing bata boots, which were basically, for lack of a better term, militarized sneakers, SOG followed suit. But that never fully caught on either.
Finally they just decided to put a pair of socks over their boots whenever they had to cross trails or shallow streams.
For every simple and effective solution, there are five crazy ideas that preceded it. Sure makes for interesting reading though.
Because it was fairly mechanically complex, and you basically had to keep it dripping with LSA at all times. Probably an exaggeration, but you get the idea.
It was excellent for special operations, but not for line troops. Weapons that only see limited issue of that kind tend not to stick around, regardless of quality.
I remember reading about a former VC who claimed that they legitimately feared the Aussies in the jungle, said they often managed to anticipate ambushes a lot better than US soldiers at the time.
The French got their shit pushed in hard even with USAF/CIA operations helping them.
That's what happens when you choose a shit position and grossly underestimate your enemy. The French commander of the artillery an heroed after he figured out that his own arty could not counter the incoming Vietminh arty.
Well, the PVS-4 weighed about 4 pounds, so the PVS-2 is about the same.
SOG pretty much only used them for roadwatch missions or other things involving static positions and low light conditions.
They actually had night vision goggles available to them, but they had shit batterly life, required an IR light source, and projected light onto your face, which could possibly give away your position at night. Most of the guys went without them. After a few nights in the bush, most of them could see fairly well in the dark anyway. Better to pack more food and ammo instead.
Partly true. They tended to fear Australian infantry more than US infantry for that reason.
However, the South Koreans commanded the same level of fear. And the special ops forces from all three nations inspired outright terror.
In particular, the US Navy SEALs and Australian SASR were basically thought of as murderous ghosts who appear from nowhere, kill everything in sight, and melt back into the jungle. It wasn't far from the truth.
The Army's Special Forces and LRRPs were afforded a high level of respect as well.
MACV-SOG's recon teams and Hatchet Forces must've been viewed as some relentless destructive force. Somebody certainly thought so. There was a bounty on the heads of every recon man at one point.
The open neck makes the face look silly above all the equipment. Netting on the already wide looking helmets makes them look even larger.
Also, the bags are literally all hanging over the dick, jesus christ.
met a guy who i though was just an older hippy
>volunteered for 3 tours
>did forward scouting and recon
respect level went past 9000 after i got to talking to him about his service
>said he heard a hell of a noise up a head in the jungle
>they all though it was NVA building a camp
>call in air support or artillery?
>bombed an elephant
he felt bad about it
>said the vietcong had a unique smell
>aussie were badass'
>he took a group of them to S.F. on leave
>no one paid for a drink the whole time
Cali used to be pretty based he said
I go through this entire thread, and nobody posted the coolest 'nam picture. For shame /k/
reverse image search has succeeded. MAS-36
Looks kinda funky
The sight weighs about 6 pounds, the rifle is around 7 and the launcher is around 4.
So my guess is at around 17-18 pounds worth of rifle. It wasn't meant to be hauled around, that particular rifle was used by USAF security forces for base security and perimeter defense so it was operated from a fixed position.
Before you disregard me as an edgy retard hear me out.
Nam has to be one of the most interesting conflicts of all time and I wish that I was a part of it, in the field, or that a modern conflict of similar merit would arise.
I am in no way discounting those that died but listen, look through these photos, these men were given the orders to kill as many of those slants they could and that gave way to all these cut down, modified, mall ninja'd to fuck out guns that make my dick harder than diamonds, not to mention the CAS aircraft developed by taking civilian craft and strapping rockets and machineguns on them, fucking brilliant. On top of that tanks were in a power struggle because of the Cold War, we needed good tanks but they had to be able to fight inna jungle. That's another reason why Nam is so fucking neat to read about, the jungle. A jungle is a force of nature imo, not a location, something that military cant just change no matter how much gasoline Bomber Harris arclights into the vicinity and the NVA showed that. The jungle has every battlefield imaginable, rivers, hills, mountains, deserts, fields, you name it.
And to top it all off fucking psyops. Psyops had to be some of the most ridiculous shit, repeating chants of dead people to spook the nva into surrendering is genius.
Sorry if I come off as edgy I was about to go to bed before this thread popped up.
What unit were these guys?
uh senpai I got news
I have a few in my vietnam folder that I don't see here. Dumping.
respect to both sides, well at least the infantry
MAS 36 para version, the stock is of a different color
>The British started the Vietnam war when they ordered the surrendered Japanese to rearm to fight Ho Chi Minh in September 1945
That's an army can opener, not a razor blade. Not to be an autist, just heads up.
All I want in life is to operate in tightly fitting tiger stripe camies and a CAR-15
>you will never be LRRP inna Nam
My grandfather fought in Vietnam, albeit it was driving French colonialists out in the first Indochina war. He fled to the South afterwards. He never liked the communists, but he makes his gripes with the US government known now.
Look at this! Look at him!
Hell yeah its the 90's you see those fucking oakley razorblades?