So here is my retarded idea /k/:
>Take a Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt (Bisley for ease of cocking)
>Have a gunsmith install a Nagant style cam to press the cylinder into the forcing cone
This would likely make cocking the hammer pretty heavy, but it should be easier in the Bisley style.
>thread the barrel
>used slightly recessed wadcutter .45 Colt to create the gas seal as well
Would this work? Why would it not? Is there any way it could work? Would a different revolver be more suitable? The point is to make a suppressed revolver in a somewhat decent caliber, and that is actually obtainable.
Given that there's a guy out there that's taught his Blackhawk to be magazine-fed, I think this has some potential.
However, wouldn't the actual ammunition need to be shaped thusly, to maintain the seal?
That was me in the last thread too m8. Also, looking at the Nagant in action, you do realize that the cylinder is pressed when you cock the hammer as well. It is all part of the same mechanism. I did not think I had to specify that the cam was not controlled by the hammer alone. I wanted a single action to eliminate the whole 20lb DA trigger problem.
I figured as much about the actual room for the camming arm, so I was wondering if there was another revolver that should be used.
I really want this idea to work guys. Other than designing a revolver from scratch, what could work?
Thats why I was thinking a slightly recessed wadcutter. If you look at the old 7.62x38 as well, the seal is created by a slight tapering of the case as well.
I suppose, if needed, one could ream out the cylinder (Blackhawks are beefy as fuck) to take a slightly larger case with a crimped mouth and a .45 caliber bullet. However, then we would be designing a whole new cartridge along with modifying the revolver.
Why not just suppress a 1911? Similar ballistics (subsonic .45 colt essentially being the same as .45 ACP) its gives you an extra round or two, and no need for a weird fucking nagant mechanism, just a standard gun with a slightly longer, threaded barrel
Well, I could understand the gas seal for accurate shooting as the Nagant (believe or not) was the basis for Russian target pistols due to the inherent accurate nature of the gas seal. Though they needed a lot of tuning before hand, the ammunition and gas seal have great accuracy potential.
If the camming arm is based off the side of the revolver, the joint where it meets the frame is going to take the brunt of recoil and be prone to snapping, unless it's at a very low angle
If I understand correctly you're talking about a small arm that pushes out from the sideplate when the hammer is cocked, right?
I'm about to load up my tablet and draw this damn thing now
What about a grooved cylinder? Almost like a Webley or something, but with positions that place the cylinder against the forcing cone?
For it to work, the cylinder would always be locked against the forcing cone, except when moving.
Cylinders on the side of the barrel are irrelevant, it has to be pushed forwards from the back. You could mill out an indent around the back outside rim of the cylinder to let it swing out free of the retracted camming arm/cone
Indents on the back would work too, but lining it up to index correctly would be a bitch, especially if you intend to let it free-swing
I could imagine the camming arm coming from the sideplate straight above and to the left of where that safety tab(?) is on that, and meeting the cylinder itself beneath the handguard
The SEALS had silenced S&W revolvers in Vietnam. The worked by having a tight barrel/cylinder gap. Yes, they'd start to drag after a being shot a few times due to heating and carbon deposits.
Um, no. I suspect you're thinking of the telescoping ammo that was developed by the Army. The 66's that the SEALS used were pretty much stock except for having a threaded barrel.
found this thing
>I really want this idea to work guys
for what reason? what practical application is there for this? shit, what impractical application is there for this? You're going to spend probably hundreds if not thousands of dollars to modify this thing to do something completely pointless.
No because the primary issue is figuring out where to place a camming arm to push the cylinder without having it at a 90 degree angle that will snap off under pressure, and the only option seems to be drilling straight through the hand guard. Which is shitty
Shot in the dark here, but could you perhaps simply modify the pawl and cylinder stop so that the pawl presses and holds the cylinder forward?
It would be literally the only non-shit suppressed revolver you could get your hands on.
The perfect murder weapon.
I doubt you'd want to fuck with the existing internals of any revolver for fear of upsetting the action, particularly on a DA. Though the pawl would probably be the best spot to link whatever arm piece you use to push the cylinder forward.
the ammo would have to look like hand nugget food
also as far as i know, the hand nugget is like the only revolver that can be successfully supressed
There's a forcing cone and specially shaped front end of the cylinder to contain gases as well, that would require machining. This would be a relatively small problem compared to the cam though.
For all practical purposes, you're better off using subsonic .45acp with a slide stop anyway.
well, there were two designs using an internal captive piston, the QSRP and OTs-38
additionally, there was some experimental design that had a custom suppressor that encased the cylinder