Dose any else love the ideas and history of armored trains.
True but its the history I love and they can carry more weapons. Here's a rail cruiser
Its still the best way to patrol a railroad
the americans can build faster than the enemy can destroy
europe, however, will never win another major war because they cant logistics. pic related.
At their peak armored tarins had several roles.
They were a roleing bases, with an artillery battery and machine gun company. That could suport infantry and Calvary around the rail lines.
The main point of arrmored then and today is to patrol and protect your rail lines from insurgents. Russians went back to armored trains cause their cargo trains kept getting ambushed.
Their was the roll on roll of tank car that were add to trains in ww2
They were largely useless because of the fact they were bound to tracks, a smart squad of commandos could disable those without any doubt by blowing 2 sections of railroad in front and behind of it, even if they were miles apart.
Estonians put a lot of emphasis on the role of the train in our war of independence.
The guys who would go ahead and check the tracks.
"Commissioner of the armored train can be shot!" Raudsepp, the sub(?)-captain gave the order. "But you have to keep the driver alive, he should not be killed!"
The pics are not related to the story. The train in this pic is called Uncle Tom, dont know why tho
translation of a war story from the independence war:
On May 23, there gathered about a 50 man [dressed as bolsheviks] squad, who had to go in the night to take over a Bolshevik armored train. Brigade leader was appointed to be sub-captain Raudsepp.
May 23, before the sun rose, drove the armored train named "Kapten Irv" from Petseri station to Koðeljäha to bring forward the squad who had to hijack the train. After midnight around the Košeljäha region we stepped off the train and headed left of the railroad and began to approach our target.
Me and Private Voldemar Borst (scouts) moved on road bridge. On the other side of the river, we moved quietly through the pine forest. Together with Voldemar Borst we moved under the guise of the forest very near to the bolshevik train . We saw that the armored trains watchman(or gaurd idk) - one man - was walking around the train.
So pic realted is the train Kapten Irv, whos crew is trying to take the bolshevik train
its 1919 btw
Borst and I came back to the landing of the troops, who took were at the far end of the young forest, and reported to the captain our sighting.
Then the five of us went along with Raudsepp nearer to the train.
On the way to the train, I asked the sub-captain Raudsepp if I was alowed to shoot the commissar of the train, who supposedly was on the train that day. "Commissioner of the armored train can be shot!" Raudsepp, the sub-captain said. "But you have to keep the driver alive.". Later, he told us again to not shoot the driver.
We traveled to the armored train "Trotsky", and we started talking with the Bolsheviks. Train superintendent(fuck, isnt it commissar? idk), a humorous young chap, was standing at the door of the locomotive. Captain Raudsepp said to him the codeword "propuski" , which was obtained from the bolshevik defector Ritt, and said that we just arrived from scouting.
>faggots thinking armoured trains just go about on their own with absolutely no support
What's the poin of using military road transport? Just take out the roads HURRRRRR
Anyway, whats the beef? Armoured train fuck your mum?
If you like armoured trains and strategy games, there was a neat game called transarctica in the 90s.
You are the captain of an armoured train and travel the world. It included cannons and missiles and mammoths, as well as slaves and mining.
It's on abandonia I think. Works well with dos box.
so pic related is the train Trotsky that they are trying to take over
Four-five bolsheviks came down from the train to talk to us. Asked us how the scouting went etc. We rolled tobacco. One bolshevik in particular wanted to extend conversation with me. I said only a few words, because I was afraid that my lack of knowledge of Russian and my Estonian dialect would give away my nationality.
I spotted that it would be a very good time to shoot the commissar at the door and the 5 unarmed bolsheviks off of the train , but from behind the commissioner there was the driver, who could likely have fallen along with the commissar. The driver's life, however, I had to keep acoording to the orders of the captain Raudsepp. Moreover, we waited for the captain to give the order.
Armored trains didn't just chug around willy-nilly; their routes were patrolled by infantry units bivouacked at regular intervals along the line they patrolled. They guard the rail line from sabotage, warn the train if any sabotage is successful, and the train provides them with mobile reinforcements, firepower, and repair facility for the rail line.
Meanwhile, almost all of our men gathered in the bushes around the train. However, the crew of Trotsky had contacted via telephone the crew of the train that captain Raudsepp had said we were from , and asked whether they had sent out a reconnaissance squad. There had received a negative response, from which they must have gathered that we were Estonians. The bolsheviks outside the train headed inside.
Suddenly we heard the commissar shout: "Pulemetšiki po svoim mestam!" (translation: machineguns to position!) Having given the order the commissar slammed shut the locomotive door. While pulling the door shut, he said to the sub-commander Raudsepp, who was at the locomotive: "Popalis pravilnoe mesto na li Undo?" ("Did you come to the right place? ')
Interesting that in WWI, both sides developed rail-mounted long range heavy artillery but this was mostly abandoned by WWII.
>this was mostly abandoned by WWII.
With some notable exceptions, Anon.
The locomotive door was shut. Now it was too late to do something about it. Lower Captain Raudsepp, however slammed on the door and said: "Otkroite dver!" ("Open the door!") This wish was not fulfilled.
Meanwhile, most of our men ran to disperse. "Trotsky" machine guns opened fire. At the same time, a smaller squad was wrecking the rail from behind "Trotsky", but unfortunately they managed to destroy so little (a few feet) that the Bolshevik armored train rode over and got away. What helped the train get away(as we later found out) was that the destroyed rail was cut straight and had not been bended.
"Trotsky" was moving toward Irboska. I ran near to the train since it was safer - so close to the train the machineguns could not target you.I saw corporal Andrejev on the ladder of the moving train. Private Voldemar Borst had thrown a grenade through the hatch into the machinegunners wagon.
I noticed that the gunfire had lessened. I ran along wiht the train until i reached a gaurdpost next to the track and jumped behind it. Andreev and Borst had jumped off the train later. I was the only one near that part of the track. When Trotsky had gone further away I ran away from the tracks. The first perso I encountered was private Erna. He did not know which way to go. Coming back to the young woods, I found the rest of the squad and captain Raudsepp. We had some wounded. Of these, a junior commissioned officer K. Hirt died and K. Lipandil got his leg amputated.
A redgaurd had also wandered near us and we brought him along as a prisoner. He was designated for communications to the one Red Army armored infantry unit that was assigned to the train. He had arrived at just the moment the fight broke out. All of us felt bad about the train getting away, since it would have significantly aided us in the assult on Pihkva and would have meant asssured total victory over the bolsheviks nearthe region.
Pick a container, any container.
Very deployable. A bit like an idiot with a gun but on a larger scale.
Afaik this is the biggest gun we (finns) have ever posessed. And as tradition demands it's a russian gun we just made a bit better and killed a whole lot of russians with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_battleship_Imperator_Aleksandr_III
Europe had a dense network of railways and rail-carried long range artillery (not stupidly huge, 150-155mm) would have allowed it to quickly cover a wide front, both in support of attacks and defense.
The French (and U.S.) 155mm gun had a range of 19,500m (12 miles) and the German 150mm gun 24,500m (15 miles) and AA guns could also be easily brought along to protect the armored long range artillery trains and other nearby installations.
This would alctually be useful, unlike stupid shit like this;>>28440434
>yfw there were infantry whose sole purpose was patrolling tracks to prevent exactly that
>yfw track is easily repaired
>yfw spare track and track laying materials were almost always taken on armored trains
So many people here still don't get the point of armored trains or how they were actually used. It's like they think the only thing they were good for was the firepower output of whatever guns they had.
I highly recommend picrelated for anyone wanting to become more knowledgeable on this subject.
WW1 on the Western front they were mostly used as a rapid response force. Roll to an area behind the lines to lend artillery suport. Outside of a civil wars or fighting a rebellion Armored trains are more a defense weapons.
Railroad guns come in a number of forms here are some 12 inch Howitzers
How much explosive force would be needed to wreck the train directly, and where would it be optimally detonated. I am remembering that CoD: UO level, back when cod wasn't something to be ashamed of.
>What's the poin of using military road transport? Just take out the roads HURRRRRR
Cars can travel without roads you dumbass,
I'm just asking what the point of armored trains is, no need to get your panties in a bunch.
Because you can transport alot more stuff economically over large distances quickly with a train.
And when you have huge places of nothing but raw land with no more infrastructure than a rail track, it makes a lot of sense.
>what the point of armored trains is
Guarding important rail lines and escorting valuable freight. They also serve as a way to very quickly move forces across remote distances. They were always a fairly niche thing but they were very useful for what they were used for.
Think of them like the convoy escorts of the rail system. When you have to move things by rail through vast stretches of loosely occupied territory an armored train is the best way.
The thing is they weren't glamorous super weapons in any sense of the word so no one really gives a shit about them.
Thank you for real answers.
What did they do if the tracks got fucked up though? Was there space dedicated to materials/personnel to repair the tracks, or was damage to tracks so unlikely that they didn't bother with all that?
They were essentially mobile fortresses complete with engineers and shit to repair track damage. They even had their own infantry detachments and later ones even had demount-able light tanks.
If a train got totally derailed then it was fucked either way but armored ones were in a better position to unfuck themselves.
For example derailing and ambushing a regular train might be easy but it'd be suicide to do it to an armored and manned one. That's why they were so effective against saboteurs.
What really fucked them up was when the allies gained global air superiority. Couldn't do shit against that.
If you'd like to know more I'd recommend downloading this (I misremembered it as an Osprey book before as I got it in that huge Osprey torrent.)
Tons of pictures and tactical information I imagine is hard to find elsewhere.
>mfw they didnt try knocking the rail in
How heavy of a hammer would they need? 30? maybe 50 lbs?