with all the shit going on in oregon, facebook (faceshit? shitbook?) is lighting up with people who are advocating the 'rob the store you're in and walk away if you see people open carrying'
can we get a thread of repurposed anti-gun material to spread out? pic related
>rob the store you're in and walk away if you see people open carrying
lol wut? Is the fact most people aren't retarded enough to kill for other's property supposed to prove something?
it's a political statement basically "i don't approve of open carry, so i'm going to leave. I'm afraid for my life, so i'm not going to wait until I get my tab"
more info: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/31/professor-has-simple-way-to-deal-with-open-carry-activists-and-pro-gun-businesses-arent-going-to-like-it-video/
Do most people open carry a rifle with a magazine and one in the chamber?
I really wouldn't be afraid of someone open carrying a rifle with no magazine in. I would probably be pretty interested in what they were carrying to be honest
>I'm afraid for my life, so i'm not going to wait until I get my tab
Yeah, that'll hold up well in court.
'militia' has 'taken over' an empty federal building to protest what they think is an unconstitutional prison sentence.
SJW says the only reason theyre not dead is because theyre white.
I know. I was mocking the antis for thinking that would work.
Of course, they would never actually do that. They don't have the balls. They would just stare at their laps until the bill came.
I was about to post this as well. I've seen lots of pics and footage of these guys walking around with a magazine in -- something you don't do unless you're on patrol or hunting.
>family has ranch land amidst a wildlife reserve
>feds want land
>family refuses to sell
>feds fuck with them relentlessly for decades
>they still refuse
>lightning starts a fire on families land
>family does a back burn to head off the fire
>part of the backburn crosses into parcel that is part of the reserve
>two family members get arrested for "arson"
>different judge is now charging them with domestic terrorism for the backburn
>somehow not double jeopardy due to some obscure legalese
>story goes viral
>150 armed people show up and occupy the tourist center of the wildlife reserve
That's the sparknotes version.
no, its a tactic they're daydreaming about.
civil disobedience is a nice idea until its you actually getting arrested.
taking a petty larceny rap to protest open carry? thats not how libs do things.
anyway the open carry fags are going to fuck it up by themselves eventually.
Well the point is to "carry", not to have a combat ready weapon. I'm talking about safety and being a responsible firearms owner. Having a locked and loaded weapon seems irresponsible to me.
An old classmate of mine posted this on Facebook earlier today. Urge to shitpost rising.
If I'm employed as a security guard (back in the 90's) I would carry one in the chamber. Otherwise, I don't load the rifle until I'm on a firing line and ready to shoot -- as should anyone.
REGARDING THE SITUATION IN OREGON: The BLM's bureaucratic terrorism has finally reached a boiling point. I have been working all day with The Coalition of Western States (C.O.W.S.) and we will have more information for you shortly. Please pray for a peaceful resolution. The Hammonds rejected any help from C.O.W.S. so our vast network of Patriots has out of respect for their wishes not been involved. However, it appears that FBI is trying to impose what amounts to a gag order on politicians, peace officers, pastors, and grassroots leaders who want to see a peaceful end negotiated to this situation. This is unacceptable. The utter failure of the BLM and continuing pattern of abuse throughout the west is what brought about this unfortunate situation. When people feel like there is no remedy for injustice they do desperate things to seek attention and redress. It is interesting to note that the protesters down in Burns did nothing remotely close to the rioting, destruction, and devastation we saw in Ferguson and other cities... something the President said he "understood but did not agree with." I suspect our Sheriff and President Obama will try to once again to paint Constitutionalists as domestic terrorists as part of the President's gun control agenda this week. And therein is the problem. Divisive rhetoric by Obama and our Sheriff (with the only solution seemingly being taking away yet more rights "for our own good") is only going to make the situation worse. Why isn't our Sheriff negotiating or supporting the negotiation of peace? Why is our Sheriff defending federal bureaucrats and not the people? If we want to see America remain America then the BLM and other federal agencies must end their bureaucratic terrorism and the Sheriff must honor his Oath.
it don't go if it ain't gassed up. if you're going to carry anything, you had better be prepared to use it. if all you do is carry to the range, then i guess you're doing it right.
It's unfortunate that internet communication seems contingent on trolling for responses. So, yeah.
A best-case scenario for the militia up there is that they get so much media attention that some law firm offers to represent them pro-bono in court and gets the fed gov on double jeopardy, or some such.
I deleted my Facebook a month ago. Best decision I've ever made. My RL friends and family still know how to get in touch with me and I don't need to wade through retarded opinions.
I thought that some asshole appellate judge just decided to give them the minimum sentence for what they were already convicted of instead of leaving them on the reduced sentence they served.
Tell Andrew-the-star wars fan that the point of owning all these rifles is to be able to make a stand in such a way that the government would NEED to make an armed response with deadly force in order to neutralize its citizens. In this way, the citizens force a government to make difficult decisions in front of the rest of the nation.
i guess this is what i don't get. I don't conceal carry for anything except defense- it's not a political statement
if I were to start open carrying, it would be for certain defensive situations where I anticipate a concealed pistol isn't good enough. Sometimes I need more than 15 + 1 round of 9mm. A rifle would provide more rounds, and improve accuracy- so maybe if I were spending a lot of time in outdoor metropolitan areas (walking around town, or something).
starting to rant, but ya, i don't carry for political reasons
>trial judge ignored mandatory minimum for terrorism and arson, which they were convicted of
>feds appeal judge's decision to ignore mandatory min
>arson terrorists have to go back to jail to finish their lawful sentence
Its not that hard.
>what they think is an unconstitutional prison sentence
>what they think
Anon you cant go to prison on two separate occasions for the same event even if its now called terrorism instead of arson
they got out.
then the who-the-fuck-ever decides "hey you didn't do enough time, go back"
I love how nobody's tried to disprove it either
I'll take it all with a heap of salt, thanks.
sure love to know where anon got that info though.
Yeah, I get it, I was disputing what the guy I quoted said about them now being charged with something new for the same crime and it somehow not being double jeopardy. It was a change of sentence on their conviction, not some new charge.
I mean, it pretty fucked up to change it after they've served their designated time already, but it's not some loophole where they're getting charged for the same thing twice as indicated by that other anon as far as I'm aware.
Everything I've seen about this from other self proclaimed "experts" on facebook are hilarious
>they're not the militia, they're domestic terrorists
>if a black man did this...
>DEYS NOT A MULLISHA
>dis is raycis
>the feds aren't enforcing their own gun control laws
>everything that montel said
Fucking hilarious and delicious asshurt
I'm guessing you're not a lawyer...
Double jeopardy refers to being put on trial for the same crime twice.
They were convicted. Their sentence was appealed. They lost the appeal. They have to serve the sentence.
No, that isn't how the law works.
>be convicted of crime
>judge says that the mandatory minimum sentence is too long
>other judge rules that the first judge didn't have the authority to do that
>The four essential protections included in the Double Jeopardy Clause are prohibitions against, for the same offense:
>retrial after an acquittal;
>retrial after a conviction;
>retrial after certain mistrials; and
In certain circumstances a sentencing may be increased, but not after hes already served is damn sentence.
>Star Wars avatar
>Literally a series about rebels taking up arms against an oppressive government
>Anon you cant go to prison on two separate occasions for the same event even if its now called terrorism instead of arson
Yes you can. Sentences can be appealed in the United States. In any case, there's no limit to how many times you can be required to report to prison.
You can be sent back because a paperwork error accidentally credited you with too many days and you need to serve another week. You can be sent back if you left before finishing your sentence by running out when the door was open too.
Sentenceing can be changed after serveing time. I don't know why you'd think otherwise, other then you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
There are thousands of presidents for this.
>Stop going to Kikebook
desu senpai this is the only way to stop having a shit fit over peoples' terrible opinions.
Because Memebook is pretty much like a non anonymous 4Chan. People act on their just like they do on here, they shit post, troll, or post the shitty opinions that they feel they can't express in meat space. The only difference is that on Memebook your identity is tied with your postings. It's just that a disconnect exists for 99% of people because, despite all the bullshit about Millennials and how they are used to extreme openness on social media, we're still in a transition period between the pretty much 100% anonymous internet presence of the late 90's and early 2000's and the future when all of your interactions on the internet will be tied to your identity.
An ar15 with the safety engaged will not go off without a serious mechanical failure. If you follow the tenants of gun safety, there will be negligent discharges.
Except that's wrong. If you're at a protest or making a political statement, that's one thing. But if you expect to defend yourself with your OC, you don't have time to reach for a magazine and charge the weapon. Flick the safety and pull the trigger.
>Having a locked and loaded weapon seems irresponsible to me.
I OC because
>unable to apply for CC
>Also its a large revolver
>in a proper leather gun belt
>Plus Alaska & helps point out who's a Noguns/Liberal born faggot.
>Makes Commiefornians & Texans stare.
Typically OC exists to transport longarms to and from places and for those who lack the age or time/money to apply for CC. I find OC perfectly acceptable as it is, it's just tards who flex their OC'ing capabilities via carrying their long arms as if they were a 'side arm'(persay)
A gun is a tool and a dangerous weapon, not a fashion accessory. Anybody using it as such is not treating it with the proper respect and care. The right to bear arms implies a responsibility to use them with care.
To be honest... I kinda forgot what we were talking about... But I felt it was good that we shared.
"Oh cool, so you're okay with the government just straight up murdering people who disagree with them or protest? What's after the Oregon protestors? The Black Lives Matter movement?"
Google search the conservativetreehouse and this, it has sources linked you stupid goddamn fuck its everywhere on the web or do you not have friends to tag you in events relevant to your interests.
And many "conservatives", the people who advocate for a smaller government, are just fine with using the power of the state to crack the skulls of protesters they disagree with.
What, you're inconvenienced by a bunch of black people shouting about their dead babbys? Better call the police on them before you're made to feel scared.
nothing wrong with that fuck left wing and lib anti war activist scum, exterminate the occupy movement.
Freedom and democracy without LGBT rights, anti gun, pro illegal alien shit.
>Be in state where only CC is allowed
>CC is temporarily revealed due to some circumstance like wind blowing shirt up
>therefore counts as open carry
>get arrested because no open carry allowed
You anti-open carry fudds are retarded, fuck off.
NO he is not correct. What the judge did is the word for word definition of double jeopardy. If anyone should be arrested it should be the judge who ignored the law originally. The people who already served their time should not be punished further. Keep in mind they were originally sentenced FOUR FUCKING YEARS AGO.
>You can be sent back because a paperwork error accidentally credited you with too many days and you need to serve another week. You can be sent back if you left before finishing your sentence by running out when the door was open too.
What you are describing here is not the same as what is happening to the two ranchers though. The weren't accidentally released early, nor did the judge accidentally sentence him with a reduced time. Therefore, it is in fact a case of double jeopardy .
>And many "conservatives", the people who advocate for a smaller government, are just fine with using the power of the state to crack the skulls of protesters they disagree with.
You aren't making any sense. Conservatives support local and state governments over federal government, and want to reduce the size of the fed. You don't need the feds, nor do you need a big government, in order to step on the throats of hippies.
Go be retarded somewhere else please.
>What's new is you guys doing your best to fuck it up by not understanding how people think and react to these kinds of things.
The only thing that is new is the media reporting on it, people on social media freaking out about it, and retards like you on /k/ frothing at the mouth at it.
Not that anon but I don't agree. You just see the result of people being uncomfortable(mostly unjustified tho) and write it off as be being dumb instead off looking at why they're uncomfortable. You don't have to look far even here on /k/ to see that a lot of people are really fucking stupid with firearms, and that's doesn't include the unfortunate fact that that we live in a time where crazy fucks walk into public spaces and the shoot folks. It's not hard to see why people are nervous around OCers
The issue is that they've already served their time in jail, the Fed just ordered them rejailed because they felt the original term for saving their house from a wildfire wasn't harsh enough.
Because the Government can't deploy the Air Force inside its own boarders in peace time. Sheeeit.
On that subject, do any law enforcement agencies use drones that are capable of carrying high explosives? I'm 99% sure they don't.
not him, just trying to get the facts straight here, but the links are all to the bundy site and they don't have citations last time i checked, mind dropping me something to work with?
>People literally burn/loot businesses, attack police in Ferguson and Baltimore
>"Americans have the right to protest you fucking racist"
>People take over a remote wildlife refuge in bumfuck nowhere, USA over land disputes
>"They need to make an example of these violent domestic terrorists"
Someone please explain.
They don't actually support that, it's just that Americans are so poorly educated that they can't express opinions properly, this is prevalent across all political ideologies in America
>you don't agree with me!? you are an idiot!
That's the level of debate at even the highest levels nowadays
>mind dropping me something to work with?
Here. Read it carefully.
Then skim this.
We've turned into a Third World country with Third World nepotism and corruption so rapidly I can't even believe it.
People are mindless drones who believe, without thinking, whatever it is their overlords tell them to believe. They feel it, therefore it's true.
Remember when you were a shitty little 12-year-old and you thought you were smarter than all your peers? Yeah, that shitnosed brat was right.
Advocating robbery under the guise of being afraid when you're actually being a discriminating faggot that apparently can't deal with people having a different view of firearms than you.
>Having a locked and loaded weapon seems irresponsible to me.
Get out of here kike shill faggot.
Obviously you don't have the balls to OC that's okay. I bet you think it makes you a target.
But honestly we are all fucking gun owners and we don't want you pushing your fears on to our lives same as the antis. OC/CC or both at the same time who the fuck cares? Armed is armed. Better gun laws are better gun laws, which we all want.
Doesn't matter how someone is armed. Pisses you off or makes you uncomfortable go somewhere else.
And then there is this guy
>>28437124 (probably most of them too)
I know it's a touchy issue for this board but look at gay rights. You think if they just quietly twiddled their thumbs didn't have parades and kept their opinions in the poll booth. That they would be where they are at now? Absolutely not. If they hid away nothing would be done to chip away at the antis resolve.
Basically, it's really easy to think guns kill babies and OCers are nutjobs. If you are never forced to see things in person and find out for yourself.
Long story short. Infighting can only hurt us. If OCers stop and people stop forcing liberals to see the error in their logic we can never win. There is no compromise, only win.
I feel for the family of the ranchers, especially getting tried again after serving their time for arson. Terrorism? For starting a burn?
But I don't support the militia. They're only there to shoot feds and spark Civil War 2.0: Electric Boogaloo, or get free land. They don't give a shit about the Hammonds.
That said, it's also deplorable that so-called "tolerant liberals" are calling for the militia and their families to be round-up and shot, or bombed. THAT would actually cause a 2nd Civil War, and would be a damn good reason for any American to fight.
I kinda wish we would get invaded by someone who can do more than shoot spit balls at us. They would hit population centers ( basically any coast) and kill liberals and minorities. There would be a surge of patriotism and progunness. It would also give many of us the chance to operate without traveling to far.. if only america wasn't such a god damn badass.
>Have Honda CBR600rr
>It's my only mode of transport
>Also live in Az
>When ever I go to the range I OC the rifle and have all my range crap packed tightly in a back pack
>Carry condition 4
>I have a CC if I ever need to defend myself
>Literally no one here in my town gives a fuck
>Not the old people from Canada
>Not the migrant workers
>Not the Californians passing through
>No one bats an eye at the guy who looks like he walked out of a Heist movie putting around town
>Laugh at all the OC ass hurt my old high school friends are posting to facebook
>Half of them post the same shit OP used
>Or the Young Turks
ok,the examination of the state attorney is ok but the original artical listing the history of the hammonds being bullied by the feds is very poorly sourced and i can't find any news reports to substantiate it, i would really like something to use in case I feel like interjecting on some liberal friends but you have to understand, i need credible sources for that.
every time i ask for this i am met with a hail of hostility trying to defend the ace in the whole artical, and i would like it to be true for political reasons but i just can't bet on that without proper sources.