newfag pennsylvanian here, i want to get a rifle and learn how to shoot to protect myself from the ragheads, redpill me about what kind of rifle to get and what i need to know
Keep in mind most civilian gun fights happen within 10 feet
You'll be better off with a pistol, which works for home defense, and concealed carry situations
If you are concerned about engaging a target at more than 20 feet (2 narrow car lanes), a rifle would be best, in which case an AR 15 would be a great starter rifle
For home defense, an s&w mp sport will be fine. Retails around $800. Get a weapon light (surefire m300) and a red dot (eotech or aim point )
If you want to spend more money, get a low profile gas block, and a hand guard with rails (easier to mount light and red dot)
Avoid frills (for now ) like a dust cover (home defense is not innadessert), plates bolt carrier group, chromed or cold forged barrel. These are nice add-ons but don't bring much to a defense situation if you maintain your weapon
Less automatic than a semiautomatic?
The ar15 is considered a modern sporting rifle
It fits almost every competitive niche. But it's definitely a "jack of all trades master of none" rifle. So what sport do you want to participate on (this helps narrow selections )
while I don't promote the use of mind-altering substances around firearms, there is no inherent danger, so long as you respect the 4 rules of gun safety
1) never point the gun at something you don't want to destroy
2) keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot
I really just want a gun to start with. I just have my grandfathers shotgun that I use once in a while. However I want to learn how to shoot with accuracy and I think a surplus gun would be good for economy, that and I appreciate the historical value.
>for home defense
Kek. So you don't even want something built from a parts kit? Because at that point you'll be looking at an SKS, Garand, or M1 Carbine as far as availability goes for a semi-auto surplus rifle.
Not really. I'd go with a Savage Axis. I made the mistake of going with a surplus rifle for my first gun, a shitty 91/30 Mosin Nagant. It's alright but not the best thing to be honest.
a "starter" gun varies depending on your long term goals
the cheapest way to start with a rifle would be a pellet rifle. get a 22 caliber for longer range (crossman, benjamin)
if you insist on a cartridge-fired gun, then I suggest a (used) ruger 10/22. while a surplus rifle is cheap, ammo is expensive and 22 lr is cheap to KEEP shooting
I don't know anything about buying historic firearms, but you can probably get a surplus ak47 for cheap.
but yah, your goals are still a bit unclear/haphazard. ask a friend to take you out shooting and see if you enjoy shooting anything has (offer to pay for your AND his ammo/fees. insist on paying for your ammo/fees)
If you're the OP, you've gotten some decent information for starts. My personal recommendation is get an AR.
If you're the guy who was talking about "surplus AK47's" for cheap, then let me clarify that the market for AK's in the US is abysmal. Domestic AK's are mostly shit or are poorly put together parts kits unless you go to an AK smith who has a history of making quality AK's. Foreign imported AK's are fucking expensive and a lot of it has to do with import laws. That's the quick and dirty on AK's in the US. Stick to an AR unless you REALLY REALLY want an AK, and then my advice is go to /akg/, lurk, and then ask questions. It might also pay to sign up to AKfiles.
Is it that bad in the states? Here in /k/anada, AK copies are usually pretty solid, quality wise. A bit expensive, but not terrible. I also hear any russian or chink surplus is fucky there. Whats up with yhat when yalls have a MUCH larger gun market than us. Genuinely curious
Imported AK's are good, that is, they're good if they haven't been imported as parts kits and then reassembled by monkeys who are required by law to reassemble the gun with a number of US made parts (thanks 922r). Also consider that Norinco is banned from importing anything into the country except for shotguns and Saiga cannot import rifles by executive order, but we can still import Veprs lol. DDI makes a decent american AK or so I hear, but the bulgarian AK's from Arsenal are (arguably) the gold standard and they're AK's that cost at least 1000USD