I currently have a G19 and P226 Mk25 I switch between for everyday carry. I find myself carrying the G19 90% of the time. I was thinking of selling the P226 and getting pic related USP Compact in 9mm.
Solid plan or shit plan?
You have 2 good guns OP. Even if you sold the 226 and got the USP compact you're still going to be carrying the glock 19. The Glock 19 is lighter, slimmer, easier/faster to learn the trigger, has a shit ton more accessory options, and cheaper (that includes magazines).
Keep the 226 and save up for the USP compact if you really want it.
True lots of people see glocks as just a starter gun and to move up or onward to another gun but then there are quite are few people who have tried so many different guns and other platforms - revolvers, SA 1911, da sa hammer pistols, etc - that have decided to settle for striker fired guns and glocks in particular as their main carry choice. That doesn't mean they don't have a bunch of Sigs or HKs in their safe.
I think you'd really regret dropping the 226. Just save for the usp compact. If you really like it then make adjustments in the future for it to be your carry gun.
The only time I advocate selling guns is if you have a bunch of redundant guns. For example you have a ppq, p320, glock 19, and a m&p.
Go fullsize homie.
Sell the shit you don't like / don't use.
Depending on your flavor, the big names are Meprolight, Ameriglo, and Trijicon. I went with the Trijocon HD's with an orange front dot.
People carry glocks because if they shoot some fuck they mind less when police take their block brand block and hold it for who knows how long and maybe electro pencil it or leave it to rust till shit clears over. Nothing of value was lost. It's a beater gun that can easily be replaced and has no meaning. That's why I and three other people carry a glock and another fag carries a taurus. Thats why people carry regular ass guns and not their range babies. If yoi had to give up your west german p228 because you used it in a defensive shooting and got it back with rust you'd die a lottle inside vs if it was your glock, fuck it thats what it's for.
What about the V1. That will be the one I get. I'm not worried about accidentally decocking it or anything, I just wanted to know if carrying single action all the timew would cause any mechanical problems with the gun.
As for as handguns go: single action 22, cheapo 1911.
since I already have a 45 the USP would probably be in 40. I know that's not a popular round around here. The only reason I'd pick it is because that's what it was chamber in when it was created.
As for rifles: m91/30 of course, couple lever actions, couple 22s, AR, other bolt actions
shotguns: a lot of shotguns
I'll get both sometime in 2016 but I'm no sure which one first.
No, not at all. Any hammer-fired pistol > any striker-fired pistol. The LEM trigger is very Glock-like in its operation: it has a long first pull, but a short reset, and the weight of the trigger only really kicks in at the breaking point. There are two advantages, though: you get second striker capability, and the trigger breaks much cleaner than a Glock does.
You don't actually have a clue what you're talking about, do you?
Long and extremely heavy 12 pound DA pull that stacks (gets heavier as you pull it farther), SA pull with a long reset and only an OK break
>carrying an HK USP DA/SA cocked-and-locked
You can accidentally decock the hammer while flipping off the safety. 'Nuff said.
Long but light first pull with a heavier breaking point (kind of resembles a Glock trigger in overall feel), extremely short reset for the next shot, followed by every trigger pull being the same weight.
There are no HK SAO pistols. You would need to carry a DA/SA pistol cocked with the safety on. HK thumb safeties are placed a little too far back, for one, and dig into some people's thumbs uncomfortably. Plus, with the USP, the safety selector has three positions, with the bottom position being decock - very bad if you want to avoid that very heavy DA trigger pull. In other words, this is not a viable option unless you get a completely different pistol.
>Also, quit defending LEM, it's a shit idea. Just because you bought one doesn't make it good.
I don't expect you to actually articulate your opinion beyond single word answers like "it's shit," but just answer this question: Have you ever tried it?
Not that guy, but to be fare the manual safety is another thing you have to train for, and most of us are lazy and it provides a bit of safty for the ability to simply draw and fire vs Draw/ unsafe then fire.
Which is not much of a difference, but if the nigger i had dealt with had a glock instead of a knife i might not be here shit posting now.
Yuck, no. My friend has a USP Compact in .40 with the LEM trigger and it's awful. Heavy, heavy takeup, weird break point. I usually don't care for manual safeties on pistols but I'd stay far away from the the LEM model.
Flipping off the safety is still another step in your draw, and the safety on the USP is not exactly positioned with the intention of riding it with your thumb like on a 1911.
OK. What about it didn't you like?
>Heavy, heavy takeup, weird break point
Now I know that you are just talking out of your ass.
>not owning both
You're only hurting yourself. Full size 9mm usp is one of my all time favorite guns, but I carry the compact.
What if I owned two fullsize USP's?
No, I'm not. The trigger pull was ludicrously heavy. The trigger technically has 2nd strike capability, but pulling the trigger after the first strike was even worse, I could barely do it. And it's not like I have bitch fingers, I have no problem pulling the trigger in DA on a Nagant revolver.
I like the USP match trigger, and Sig SRT triggers fine. I prefer the DA/SA action in my hammer fired guns. The LEM just doesn't feel good to me. I mean it isn't DAK bad, but it ain't good.
Na I don't. I was too busy buying Sig P225's. It's next on my list though. Ironically, I have a pair of USP9c magazines in my drawer, but no gun.
Fun story, I traded a .40 cal CZ75 compact with 1 magazine for the USP with 7 mags.
The take-up is literally lighter than the take-up on a Glock.
If you slap the trigger (finger all the way forward in between every shot), then I can see how someone wouldn't like it, but if you keep your finger on the trigger in between each shot, literally the only difference between LEM and the DA/SA guns is that on the LEM, the initial pull is lighter and the reset is shorter.
>Fun story, I traded a .40 cal CZ75 compact with 1 magazine for the USP with 7 mags.
I'll take that stainless 225 off your hands. Wouldn't be the first gun I've bought through /k/.
That wasn't me compadre, both of the P225's in the pic are factory, the P6 has my home cerakote job on it.
I think he was just a pussy. He complained about the texture hurting his palm. I have manlet hands, and they don't bug me at all.
>but if you keep your finger on the trigger in between each shot, literally the only difference between LEM and the DA/SA guns is that on the LEM, the initial pull is lighter and the reset is shorter
I forgot one thing.
LEM trigger break = 7 lbs
SA trigger break = 5 lbs
It feels like a single action pull, though. The Browning Hi Power has a 10+ lb factory trigger, if I remember correctly, but because it's a clean-breaking single action pull, it's incredibly easy to shoot those guns well. Also, with some HK guns, there's a Light LEM, which lightens the trigger pull back down to 5 lbs (or you can buy a few springs and do it yourself to a gun you already own).
I really like the look of it. It's pretty damn gucci. Seems to be more durable than the HE finish as well. The hostile environment shit gets holster wear like a mother fucker.
No problem man, they are awesome guns.
I think he wanted something different. The CZ was an ok gun, I just am not really a fan of .40
that was supposed to be F.A.M not senpai.
Well of course, I have never seen a spot of rust on either of them, it just seems that the HE finish wears easily. That has been my experience, and may not hold true for all of them.
>The hostile environment shit gets holster wear like a mother fucker.
This is true, but it still keeps its weather-resistant properties, and I think it makes it look cool too. My full size 9mm has more holster wear than my CZ85 (transitionary so its got the polycoat) and I bought the CZ 12 years before the HK, and I rarely use the HK in a holster whereas the CZ was my only concealed carry gun for pretty much all of college and the first two years working. The HK is about a year old and while its seen a lot of rounds (probably 5k in that time) I've only carried it concealed maybe ten days total in that time, not a lot of holster time.
I carry mine in the winter in a leather IWB holster, and I couldn't believe how ratty it looked after only one season. But w/e its a tool, and gets used as one. Good to hear you actually shoot yours as well.
Its not that the finish wears off, its just that it gets "smoothed out" a bit. The HE finish is just another form of nitriding, which is a heat treatment. The finish is deeper than the color I guess is a simple way of saying it.
>Not him, but most of the wear I see on the HK is the slide release/ take-down pin and the extractor.
The slide release will wear in the hard case on the ride home. A purple extractor is also commonplace on hk's, one of mine has it the other doesn't but might some day. It's just something that happens to HK's for whatever reason.
there are 3 LEM triggers plus a special one for NYPD. Light LEM is 4-5#, standard LEM is 6# which is available directly from the factory for 9mm/.40 guns, but the .45 has it as a kit option, heavy LEM is 7-8#. NYPD is 12# and purposely has a much longer reset.
Same here. I have a factory .357 sig barrel for my AF coded USPc in 40. Its actually the main reason I bought a 40 over a 9mm. But you gotta pay to play, the barrels are cheapest usually from HK parts, Midway is one of the few places that usually has hk parts in stock and they want like $80 more for the same part.
HE finish is a three layer protective process including two chemical treatments and a lacquer finish. the outer lacquer layer that has the color has little to do with the protective properties of the HE under layers. it's notable that the steel portions like the extractor do not have the lacquer coating, so the gold/copper/plum chemical treatment is left there.
>in anything other than .45
funfact: the U actually stands for .45
What I've noticed shooting .357 sig and .40 out of the same gun, back to back (glock 32 with a .40 barrel, USP compact 40 with a .357 sig barrel and M&P 40 with a .357 sig barrel) the .357 sig has slightly more muzzle flash, but then again I do a lot of night time shooting, its a bit louder, but it has less recoil and it seems to me to be a bit easier to shoot, especially at distances past 25 feet.
Might help with me getting rounds on target at the 25 yard line then. I'm going for 6 rds within 5 inches in under 2 seconds from holster to last round fired.
So far I can manage 8 inches so I guess im not doing to bad.
the 1st chemical treatment is a ferritic nitrocarburizing. it goes by many many tradenames (arcor, tennifer, melonite, qpq, et c). the primary differences between them are minor changes for specific alloys and manufacturing and they don't differ much in terms of quality from a chemical standpoint.
as HK pistols are often very high quality hardened steel, they use a more expensive version of it. the 2nd is a phosphate powder coat (manganese for older guns, zinc for newer ones), and the 3rd is a plain ceramic lacquer.
Glocks use a 2 step process and their steel is a slightly different alloy, so it's overall cheap and durable as well.
basically, HE is another tradename for a nitrocarburizing process developed specifically for HK's steel alloy composition. it also has a lacquer outer layer that most other companies do not do.
you will not likely notice any meaningful difference between any of them with normal or even heavy use other than the HK wearing more since HK doesn't colorize the under layers - only the lacquer layer has any coloring.
I should probably stop taking pictures of my guns and drinking so much scotch...
It's mostly perspective, the Glock is larger in some areas, the USP is larger in some areas. The usp is in general larger, but it definitely doesn't dwarf it.
There is virtually no size difference in the compact versions
I'm not gonna post another picture, but the HK is on average .005" thicker on the slide but .025" thinner on the grip, again on average.
The HK at the thickest is thicker than the Glock.
All of that is really inconsequential though, they feel pretty much the same when carried in the same holster (blade tech nano, irritatingly you need to buy a holster for each). The Glock sits a bit lower in your hand but its not as comfortable to hold.