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I currently have a G19 and P226 Mk25 I switch between for everyday carry. I find myself carrying the G19 90% of the time. I was thinking of selling the P226 and getting pic related USP Compact in 9mm.

Solid plan or shit plan?
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>>28429803
Don't sell anything.
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>>28429803

226 > USP
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>>28429842
This. I regret every sale I've made except for a few guns I sold to a buddy to help him start a collection.
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>>28429849
Can you explain how so I can see your work?
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You have 2 good guns OP. Even if you sold the 226 and got the USP compact you're still going to be carrying the glock 19. The Glock 19 is lighter, slimmer, easier/faster to learn the trigger, has a shit ton more accessory options, and cheaper (that includes magazines).

Keep the 226 and save up for the USP compact if you really want it.
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>>28429981
My thinking was I enjoy the G19 because it's light, small, and easy to CC. I was going to get it as a step up to the polymer gun I like and carry it full time.
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>>28429803
Get the USPc and don't listen to the SIGfags. I love mine.
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>>28430010

True lots of people see glocks as just a starter gun and to move up or onward to another gun but then there are quite are few people who have tried so many different guns and other platforms - revolvers, SA 1911, da sa hammer pistols, etc - that have decided to settle for striker fired guns and glocks in particular as their main carry choice. That doesn't mean they don't have a bunch of Sigs or HKs in their safe.

I think you'd really regret dropping the 226. Just save for the usp compact. If you really like it then make adjustments in the future for it to be your carry gun.

The only time I advocate selling guns is if you have a bunch of redundant guns. For example you have a ppq, p320, glock 19, and a m&p.
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>>28429803
>Selling guns
>Ever

literally why?
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>>28430768
>being a tripfag
>ever
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>>28429887
>>28430768
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>>28429803
Go fullsize homie.

Sell the shit you don't like / don't use.
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>>28429803
have you fondled the P229?
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>>28433394
Yes, I'll just keep my 226
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>>28429803
youre selling the sig for basically the same thing
if it was a drastically different gun maybe but yore going to be in the same situation that you started with
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>>28433234
Coming together nicely recommend any nights?
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>>28433485
Depending on your flavor, the big names are Meprolight, Ameriglo, and Trijicon. I went with the Trijocon HD's with an orange front dot.
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Would I have any problems carrying a USP in single action all the time?
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>>28433778
Though it depends on the version you purchase, some variants have an external 1911-style safe/fire selector for carrying cocked and locked.
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>>28430768
This fagget.
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The real USP's pretty neat with the large sight radius, and the recoil reduction setup.

The USP compact is an abortion.
>In your shoes, I'd sell the G19
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>>28433234
My USP DA isn't working so well.. 45acp. Doesn't fully reset..
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>>28430404
People carry glocks because if they shoot some fuck they mind less when police take their block brand block and hold it for who knows how long and maybe electro pencil it or leave it to rust till shit clears over. Nothing of value was lost. It's a beater gun that can easily be replaced and has no meaning. That's why I and three other people carry a glock and another fag carries a taurus. Thats why people carry regular ass guns and not their range babies. If yoi had to give up your west german p228 because you used it in a defensive shooting and got it back with rust you'd die a lottle inside vs if it was your glock, fuck it thats what it's for.
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>>28433803
What about the V1. That will be the one I get. I'm not worried about accidentally decocking it or anything, I just wanted to know if carrying single action all the timew would cause any mechanical problems with the gun.
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USP compact is one of the best pistols you can buy
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>>28434049
>tfw no west german p228
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>>28433855
And it fucking works. That's the big thing.
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>>28434180
Mine is a V1, I carry it cocked and locked all the time. Works good.
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>>28434226
Right below the full size USP, which is below the Mk 23
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>>28434320
Except the MK23 is a crew served weapons system.
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>>28434310
Thanks. Now to decide if I want a USP or SCAR next....
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>>28434341
What other guns do you have?

Luckily I have both! So I may be of assistance.
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>>28429803
Get the LEM no manual safety version. You won't regret it.
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>>28434407
Might as well get a glock at that point.
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>>28434359
As for as handguns go: single action 22, cheapo 1911.
since I already have a 45 the USP would probably be in 40. I know that's not a popular round around here. The only reason I'd pick it is because that's what it was chamber in when it was created.
As for rifles: m91/30 of course, couple lever actions, couple 22s, AR, other bolt actions
shotguns: a lot of shotguns

I'll get both sometime in 2016 but I'm no sure which one first.
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>>28434457
Well I would honestly advise you to get a good combat handgun considering you already have an AR.
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>>28434407
Fuck off officer. DA/SA or SA only
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>>28434438
No, not at all. Any hammer-fired pistol > any striker-fired pistol. The LEM trigger is very Glock-like in its operation: it has a long first pull, but a short reset, and the weight of the trigger only really kicks in at the breaking point. There are two advantages, though: you get second striker capability, and the trigger breaks much cleaner than a Glock does.
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>>28434476
My main concern is panic buyers for whatever reason driving SCAR prices up.
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>>28434486
How is that better than single action?
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>>28434328
More like the deagle brand deagle of HK pistols
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>>28434511
Except it's actually good and has a purpose.
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>>28429803
I vote USP.
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>>28434523
Knew someone was gonna say that. And I certainly don't dispute that, but goddamn it is a pretty big gun.
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>>28434483
You don't actually have a clue what you're talking about, do you?

>HK DA/SA
Long and extremely heavy 12 pound DA pull that stacks (gets heavier as you pull it farther), SA pull with a long reset and only an OK break

>carrying an HK USP DA/SA cocked-and-locked
You can accidentally decock the hammer while flipping off the safety. 'Nuff said.

>HK LEM
Long but light first pull with a heavier breaking point (kind of resembles a Glock trigger in overall feel), extremely short reset for the next shot, followed by every trigger pull being the same weight.

>>28434510
There are no HK SAO pistols. You would need to carry a DA/SA pistol cocked with the safety on. HK thumb safeties are placed a little too far back, for one, and dig into some people's thumbs uncomfortably. Plus, with the USP, the safety selector has three positions, with the bottom position being decock - very bad if you want to avoid that very heavy DA trigger pull. In other words, this is not a viable option unless you get a completely different pistol.
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>>28434495
Prices are gonna get fucked either way after tomorrow.
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>>28434510
No manual safety?
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>>28434545
It's huge, but you have to admit it's cool.
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>>28434555
Get a USP Expert or upgrade a standard one. The match trigger is tits.

Also, quit defending LEM, it's a shit idea. Just because you bought one doesn't make it good.
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>>28434574
>Also, quit defending LEM, it's a shit idea. Just because you bought one doesn't make it good.
I don't expect you to actually articulate your opinion beyond single word answers like "it's shit," but just answer this question: Have you ever tried it?
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>>28434588
I owned a P2000 with the LEM, I sold it and bout a DA/SA P2000. I haven't looked back.
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>>28434555
Variants 9 and 10 have no decocker and can be carried cocked and locked. Get learned faggot.
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>>28434574
Not that guy, but to be fare the manual safety is another thing you have to train for, and most of us are lazy and it provides a bit of safty for the ability to simply draw and fire vs Draw/ unsafe then fire.

Which is not much of a difference, but if the nigger i had dealt with had a glock instead of a knife i might not be here shit posting now.
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>>28434407

Yuck, no. My friend has a USP Compact in .40 with the LEM trigger and it's awful. Heavy, heavy takeup, weird break point. I usually don't care for manual safeties on pistols but I'd stay far away from the the LEM model.
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>>28434570
Of course! I'd love to have one myself.
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>>28434606
Convert it to decocker only.

Thats the beauty of the USP, it can be whatever the fuck you want.
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>>28434625
I'm looking into that, waiting on parts and flush floor plates. The whole situation really changed how I "play" with my firearm tho.
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>>28434602
Flipping off the safety is still another step in your draw, and the safety on the USP is not exactly positioned with the intention of riding it with your thumb like on a 1911.

>>28434601
OK. What about it didn't you like?

>>28434609
>Heavy, heavy takeup, weird break point
Now I know that you are just talking out of your ass.
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>>28433234
>not owning both
You're only hurting yourself. Full size 9mm usp is one of my all time favorite guns, but I carry the compact.
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>>28434625
It truly is the Universal Self-loading Pistol
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>>28434654
What if I owned two fullsize USP's?
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>>28434641

No, I'm not. The trigger pull was ludicrously heavy. The trigger technically has 2nd strike capability, but pulling the trigger after the first strike was even worse, I could barely do it. And it's not like I have bitch fingers, I have no problem pulling the trigger in DA on a Nagant revolver.
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>>28434641
I like the USP match trigger, and Sig SRT triggers fine. I prefer the DA/SA action in my hammer fired guns. The LEM just doesn't feel good to me. I mean it isn't DAK bad, but it ain't good.
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>>28434670
Shit just got real.
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>>28434637
That really is what makes it such a damn good choice, granted you don't have girl hands.
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>>28434670
Then I'd be super jelly of the two-tone, but you should probably get a compact too if you don't already.
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>>28434687
Welcome to the Matrix motherfuckers.
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>>28434694
Na I don't. I was too busy buying Sig P225's. It's next on my list though. Ironically, I have a pair of USP9c magazines in my drawer, but no gun.

>>28434694
Fun story, I traded a .40 cal CZ75 compact with 1 magazine for the USP with 7 mags.
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>>28434698
Matrix can't operate that hard.
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>>28434722
How did the USP cz trade happened? You got a deal.
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>>28434722
>>28434694
Forgot to add the trade was for the two-tone
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>>28434673
The take-up is literally lighter than the take-up on a Glock.

>>28434680
If you slap the trigger (finger all the way forward in between every shot), then I can see how someone wouldn't like it, but if you keep your finger on the trigger in between each shot, literally the only difference between LEM and the DA/SA guns is that on the LEM, the initial pull is lighter and the reset is shorter.
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>>28434722
Jesus. You took some retard for a ride then.
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>>28434739
Just a dude I knew got sick of the HK girth.
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>>28434722
>Fun story, I traded a .40 cal CZ75 compact with 1 magazine for the USP with 7 mags.
Holy shit...
I'll take that stainless 225 off your hands. Wouldn't be the first gun I've bought through /k/.
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>>28434759
>P225
>stainless
It's not.
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>>28434755
Is he stupid or does he have baby hands?
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>>28434765
I know, its Cerakoted by you or whatever, just give it to me goddamnit.
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>>28434759
It's a factory nickel gun actually. It's the only one I have ever seen locally, so I don't think I'll be letting it go.
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>>28434777
That wasn't me compadre, both of the P225's in the pic are factory, the P6 has my home cerakote job on it.

>>28434771
I think he was just a pussy. He complained about the texture hurting his palm. I have manlet hands, and they don't bug me at all.
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>>28434748
>but if you keep your finger on the trigger in between each shot, literally the only difference between LEM and the DA/SA guns is that on the LEM, the initial pull is lighter and the reset is shorter
I forgot one thing.

LEM trigger break = 7 lbs
SA trigger break = 5 lbs

It feels like a single action pull, though. The Browning Hi Power has a 10+ lb factory trigger, if I remember correctly, but because it's a clean-breaking single action pull, it's incredibly easy to shoot those guns well. Also, with some HK guns, there's a Light LEM, which lightens the trigger pull back down to 5 lbs (or you can buy a few springs and do it yourself to a gun you already own).
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>>28434793
>>28434780
Oh, I stand corrected.
Looks just like the beat to shit one that the guy cerakoted in that thread a while back.
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>>28434793
Damn, he could have at least got one of those universal rubber grips. Good job on you though. How does the stainless compare to the normal HK black finish?
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>>28434807
I really like the look of it. It's pretty damn gucci. Seems to be more durable than the HE finish as well. The hostile environment shit gets holster wear like a mother fucker.

>>28434805
No problem man, they are awesome guns.

>>28434807
I think he wanted something different. The CZ was an ok gun, I just am not really a fan of .40
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>>28434691
I have girly hands desu, but it fits right and points well so fuck it.
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>>28434821
wtf..... test

desu

T.B.H ^ not desu...
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>>28434818
I assumed the standard HK finish was good enough for hostile environments/salt water
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>>28434846
Yeah senpai, that happens.
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>>28434864
HAHAHA
that was supposed to be F.A.M not senpai.

>>28434863
Well of course, I have never seen a spot of rust on either of them, it just seems that the HE finish wears easily. That has been my experience, and may not hold true for all of them.
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>>28434818
>The hostile environment shit gets holster wear like a mother fucker.
This is true, but it still keeps its weather-resistant properties, and I think it makes it look cool too. My full size 9mm has more holster wear than my CZ85 (transitionary so its got the polycoat) and I bought the CZ 12 years before the HK, and I rarely use the HK in a holster whereas the CZ was my only concealed carry gun for pretty much all of college and the first two years working. The HK is about a year old and while its seen a lot of rounds (probably 5k in that time) I've only carried it concealed maybe ten days total in that time, not a lot of holster time.
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>>28434879
I carry mine in the winter in a leather IWB holster, and I couldn't believe how ratty it looked after only one season. But w/e its a tool, and gets used as one. Good to hear you actually shoot yours as well.
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>>28434863
>>28434876
>>28434879
Its not that the finish wears off, its just that it gets "smoothed out" a bit. The HE finish is just another form of nitriding, which is a heat treatment. The finish is deeper than the color I guess is a simple way of saying it.
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>>28434876
Even if it gets more wear I'll still go HE. If only because loloperator.
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>>28434846
>>28434864

That's funny as fuck @ 3 am and i'm not expecting it.

>>28434879
Not him, but most of the wear I see on the HK is the slide release/ take-down pin and the extractor.
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>>28434916
>Not him, but most of the wear I see on the HK is the slide release/ take-down pin and the extractor.
The slide release will wear in the hard case on the ride home. A purple extractor is also commonplace on hk's, one of mine has it the other doesn't but might some day. It's just something that happens to HK's for whatever reason.
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>>28434906
This actually makes sense. Night /k/ is best /k/
>>28434910
Get both. ;)
>>28434916
Threw me off guard for sure.
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>>28434943
It's like the old W. German Sigs that have miscolored hammers.
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>>28434943
>>28434953
Makes sense. So im sitting on a .40 cal right now. USPC two tone AA date code, should I mess around with .357 sig or stick with what I know?
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>>28434964
I'd do it. I have a P239 in .357 Sig and it's baller.
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>>28434804
there are 3 LEM triggers plus a special one for NYPD. Light LEM is 4-5#, standard LEM is 6# which is available directly from the factory for 9mm/.40 guns, but the .45 has it as a kit option, heavy LEM is 7-8#. NYPD is 12# and purposely has a much longer reset.
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>>28434964
>>28434969
Same here. I have a factory .357 sig barrel for my AF coded USPc in 40. Its actually the main reason I bought a 40 over a 9mm. But you gotta pay to play, the barrels are cheapest usually from HK parts, Midway is one of the few places that usually has hk parts in stock and they want like $80 more for the same part.
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>>28434986
God, no wonder the NYPD can't hit shit.
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>>28434818
HE finish is a three layer protective process including two chemical treatments and a lacquer finish. the outer lacquer layer that has the color has little to do with the protective properties of the HE under layers. it's notable that the steel portions like the extractor do not have the lacquer coating, so the gold/copper/plum chemical treatment is left there.
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>>28434996
>>28434969

Then so it shall be.
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>>28434997
apparently it was a policy thing from officers issued glocks in the 80's from using revolvers that repeatedly shot themselves or others from lack of trigger control.
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>USP
>in anything other than .45
funfact: the U actually stands for .45
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>>28435004
How does the HE treatment compare to whatever glock does?
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>>28435011
What I've noticed shooting .357 sig and .40 out of the same gun, back to back (glock 32 with a .40 barrel, USP compact 40 with a .357 sig barrel and M&P 40 with a .357 sig barrel) the .357 sig has slightly more muzzle flash, but then again I do a lot of night time shooting, its a bit louder, but it has less recoil and it seems to me to be a bit easier to shoot, especially at distances past 25 feet.
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>>28435106
You do know it was designed in 40, don't you?
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>>28435110
About the same, glocks have a bit of a rougher finish (more matte I guess?) but they are basically the same shit different name. Both are 10/10 for protection.
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>>28435111
Might help with me getting rounds on target at the 25 yard line then. I'm going for 6 rds within 5 inches in under 2 seconds from holster to last round fired.

So far I can manage 8 inches so I guess im not doing to bad.
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>>28435106
>not Universelle Selbstladepistole
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>>28435110
the 1st chemical treatment is a ferritic nitrocarburizing. it goes by many many tradenames (arcor, tennifer, melonite, qpq, et c). the primary differences between them are minor changes for specific alloys and manufacturing and they don't differ much in terms of quality from a chemical standpoint.

as HK pistols are often very high quality hardened steel, they use a more expensive version of it. the 2nd is a phosphate powder coat (manganese for older guns, zinc for newer ones), and the 3rd is a plain ceramic lacquer.

Glocks use a 2 step process and their steel is a slightly different alloy, so it's overall cheap and durable as well.
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>>28435167
> that USP making glocks look tiny
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>>28435177
basically, HE is another tradename for a nitrocarburizing process developed specifically for HK's steel alloy composition. it also has a lacquer outer layer that most other companies do not do.

you will not likely notice any meaningful difference between any of them with normal or even heavy use other than the HK wearing more since HK doesn't colorize the under layers - only the lacquer layer has any coloring.
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>>28429849
How do you figure?
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>>28435189
It's mostly perspective, the Glock is larger in some areas, the USP is larger in some areas. The usp is in general larger, but it definitely doesn't dwarf it.
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>>28429803
I'd go USP Compact .45 desu but that's me and I own many 9mm's.
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>>28435233
There is virtually no size difference in the compact versions
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>>28435353
What about width diffrence? of the slide I mean. Might wanna place a quarter or something on the tops of em.
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>>28435364
I'm not gonna post another picture, but the HK is on average .005" thicker on the slide but .025" thinner on the grip, again on average.
The HK at the thickest is thicker than the Glock.
All of that is really inconsequential though, they feel pretty much the same when carried in the same holster (blade tech nano, irritatingly you need to buy a holster for each). The Glock sits a bit lower in your hand but its not as comfortable to hold.
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