In 1985 it was revealed that during the initial years of World War II the Office of War Information kept an archive refereed to as the "Chamber of Horrors". Within, photographs deemed too graphic for publication and possibly damaging to morale. Photos of dead Americans soldiers were not released to the press until 1943. As the war turned in favor of the Allies, such photographs (though often sanitized) were made available in order to combat overconfidence and maintain commitment on the home front.
Such attempts to manage news and information and to shape images and perceptions of the war fell far short of what other belligerent nations were doing and avoided the excesses of World War I—but they did amount to domestic propaganda and censorship that have been criticized since.
What rights do the public have regarding such photos?
Pic related: the first image released from the "Chamber".
>What rights do the public have regarding such photos?
Every right, if the press wanted to publish it. It's called the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.
Also, starting Vietnam and onward, such images would hit stateside faster. You can literally broadcast a war live nowadays if you so felt like it.
Another of the original releases.
>An American soldier of the Antitank Co., 34th Regiment who was killed by mortar fire during the Battle of Leyte.
Whoa it's almost like war is actually a terrible, gory meat-grinder where human bodies are smashed, torn and pierced in the timeless horror of mortal combat, and the only way to get the average citizen to support it is to downplay the truth of it trough censorship or distraction or paint a convincing picture of a more evil outcome that would be prevented by it.
let me get you a link to an ancient battle real quick
to sum it up
>80,000 Romans/Allied troops
>50,000 ish Carthagianians
>Romans near totally wiped out
If you were in that battle and a Roman you stood an extremely low chance of coming out of it alive. Most of your friends are dead, you are completely and utterly routed. But it gets even better than that: Reports state that men (since the romans were utterly enveloped) were standing so close in the middle that some were suffocated and crushed, and there was barely room to even stab or fight.
Imagine being in the eighth rank back, watching as carthaginians slowly stab their way to you. And the killing didn't end quickly. It lasted all fucking day. And this wasn't a clean, projectile based combat like modern times. Every single person that was killed was likely stabbed to death, pelted with stones or shot from very close range.
Well the sword-armed soldiers were likely using a greek kopis or Iberian (modern day spain) sword called a falcata.
Both were curved, but I don't know much about the use of the weapons or how they were employed, only their existence.
Yeah the medias violence/sexuality double standard really pisses me off
Reminds me that Britbongistan recently banned pornography featuring female orgasm, fucking retarded if you ask me
They were limb choppers, used against lightly armored footmen, since they were curved they weren't fit for thrusting or piercing armor. They were perfect for making deep cutting wounds and severing limbs.
Imagine a Kukri but with a longer and heavier blade.
>in the comments
"Actually, this is exactly how America does it, using violence to beat the Indians [Native Americans] to death, pushing the Asian, African, and poor out into the country, running the poor white people into the surrounding outskirts of the cities. America’s police are even more terrible than China’s chengguan. If you’re within two meters of a police officer, you have to raise your hands, otherwise American police have the right to shoot you dead."
>If you're within two meters of a police office, you have to raise your hands to avoid being lawfully shot to death.
Holy shit that's hilarious.
Our cops have become steeming piles of shit for quite some time, but they've got nothing on Chengguan, or the Hakkou System chinese trash implement.
Yeah, that line of thinking always seemed funny to me because I always find myself thinking "but that's stupid. they only lived that way because they had no choice. 99% of people from all historical periods would happily give up their more wild customs if they had a choice."
Man, I don't know. It is, as far as I can tell, completely fucking arbitrary. They seem to have just crapped out a list of some stuff and deemed it "content that is not acceptable". No explanation or anything.
List is as follows:
Penetration by any object “associated with violence”
Physical or verbal abuse (regardless of if consensual)
Urolagnia (known as “water sports”)
The last three they have claimed are "potentially life threatening" and that's why they're banned. Everything else, there's no explanation why they were banned.
>The last three they have claimed are "potentially life threatening" and that's why they're banned. Everything else, there's no explanation why they were banned.
>Everything else, there's no explanation why they were banned.
>there's no explanation why they were banned.
Reminds me of fuckin' grade school.
> Normal urine is not only pH balanced, it is non-toxic and is believed to contain manynutrientsand healing compounds. As such, it would stand to reason that it could be used to help heal wounds. In fact, some research has been done to determine whether urine is capable of healing wounds, and the results indicate that it is in fact very effective.
>Normal urine is both anti-viral and anti-bacterial, making it a potentially ideal treatment for cuts, abrasions, wounds, and skin infections of any kind.
>someone states a fact
>this poster feels compelled to claim that fact is a myth
>without reasoning or a source
Take note, children. This is the quintessential shitposter and the primary detractor of board quality
“Derby described the incredible artificial weather that Earthlings sometimes create for other Earthlings when they don’t want those other Earthlings to inhabit Earth any more. Shells were bursting in the treetops with terrific bangs, he said, showering down knives and needles and razorblades. Little lumps of lead in copper jackets were crisscrossing the woods under the shellbursts, zipping along much faster than sound.
A lot of people were being wounded or killed. So it goes.”
I've always found it odd that so many WW1 photos were published that would have never been seen during WW2. Or even the famous American Civil War photo of a disemboweled soldier.
I guess the technology was still relatively new that nobody realized what the effects would be.
That's a pretty infamous book, he also built an anti-war museum in Berlin after WW1 but you can guess who closed it.
Pic related: this is the only other one I remember coming from the 'Chamber', a French collaborator executed.
After 1943 when the tide of the war had changed the OWI was able to convince FDR to let more images get out. That said a lot of publications still refused to publish them. The photo in OP was the first, by 'Life' and even then it was prefaced with a full article explaining why they chose to print it.
Pic related: This one was released after the Bulge. German soldiers taking the boots from dead GIs. You can imagine the political use of a photo showing your enemy having to loot boots off corpses. You can also see the censor marks of what they did hide, though.
I think this photo is of the same group, but can't find a source on that. They're smoking American cigarettes.
Robert Capa, famous for his D-Day photos took this one. 'American soldier killed by a German sniper, Germany, 1945'. Don't think it was published until after the war, though.
Christ...that's fucking disgusting. A good friend of mine has traveled extensively in the middle east and Asia, he said India was hands down the most filthy, overcrowded place he's ever been.
Also, for anyone familiar with the story of the "lost" Capa's DDay photos, I'm pretty certain it's bullshit.
It was really really bad. I mean nightmare fuel bad.
I've read a little about what it was like from first hand accounts, and I'm baffled anyone would participate in it at all.
Imagine you're in a sweltering hot metal suit, that's a quarter of your body weight and you're trying not to get stabbed in the face and genitals while your eyes are clogged with gore and mud...and it just keeps going for HOURS at a time.
Naw, he's not a shitposter. If he was, he'd have come back with some ad hominem attack rather than just staying quiet like he has. What you saw here was how a debate/conversation should occur. "I say!" "You're wrong, here's the cite!" "Crickets***"
'With the Marines at Tarawa' was the most graphic news reel of the War.
>The film is in full color and uses no actors, making it a valuable historical document. The documentary showed more gruesome scenes of battle than other war films to date. According to the documentary The War, President Roosevelt himself gave approval for showing the film, against the wishes of many advisors.
>Since the pictures were far too graphic to meet the standards of Hollywood producers and distributors, only the President could grant permission for its release to the general public. President Roosevelt consulted the only man who was present at the Battle of Tarawa that he personally knew and trusted, Time-Life photographer Robert Sherrod. Quoting Sherrod, "I tell the President the truth. Our soldiers on the front want people back home to know that they don't knock the hell out of them every day of every battle. They want people to understand that war is a horrible, nasty business, and to say otherwise is to do a disservice to those who died." Based on Sherrod's prompting, FDR agreed to release the film, uncensored.
i see your stabby battle, and raise you trenches filled with blood, 1.3 millions tons of ordinance dropped onto them. Anglo-French casualties on the Somme were over 600,000 and German casualties were under 600,000.
Probably pretty fucking bad
Assuming you don't get your limbs chopped off on the battlefield, or trampled by a batshit insane destrier, or didn't die 2 weeks after the battle ended from gangrene because you got a small ass cut on your hand and lol medieval hygiene; if you showed any psychological damage from being in a battle where 30-70% casualties is not uncommon, you would be ridiculed as a coward.
>Thread titled horrors
>grainy photos of dead dudes where you can barely see anything and can't hear anything
This thread was a lie.
I had to go wash my hands after looking at that shit.
And to think my country Canada has let millions of these "people" in. This country is fucked, i'd move to Europe but its the exact same situation their just a few years behind ours.
god damn , that's the hearts of Iron III guy
Don't worry we're trying our best to make modern war just as potentially horrifying.
have another one
Reminds me Six Days in Fallujah. Politicians and activists forced publishers to cancel, despite vets who were there saying they want game to happen and be as honest as possible
That picture was first published in the September 20th, 1943 edition of Life.
>Here lie three Americans.
>What shall we say of them? Shall we say that this is a noble sight? Shall we say that it is a fine thing, that they should give their lives for their country?
>Or shall we say that it is too horrible to look at?
>Why print this picture, anyway, of three American boys dead upon an alien shore? Is it to hurt people? To be morbid?
>Those are not the reasons.
>The reason is that words are never enough. The eye sees. The mind knows. The heart feels. But the words do not exist to make us see, or know, or feel what it is like, what actually happens. The words are never right.
This is how it is in Mount&Blade when there's only 5 guys on each side left in a 500 vs 500 fight.
I would pause and gaze at my army's in Medieval 2 Total War after a huge battle, 2,000 english vs 4,000 french. I won with only 19 guys left, the field was covered in corpse's.
>that field of human shit
Reminds me of the Futurama episode where Fry is trapped in a dungeon and he says that he just shits where ever he is, like an animal. Then Leela says "animals go in a corner".
Can anyone post the VX gas guide? Or was it sarin?
It was a pretty good read, a giant wall of text about how to supposedly make it, along with stuff like rolling into a bathtub while stabbing yourself in the heart with a needle and hope you don't die.
>what? it's just disgusting pictures of india, this isn't even-
>oh god what
I did not expect that
>tfw you can look forward to two 12 oz cups of hot pee instead of just one
You are absolutely correct.
I know this picture stood out in my mind as a kid. My older brother had this same picture in his Time-Life WWII book set. Probably 30 volumes published in 1977 or 1978 I think. This specific pic was found in the 'Island Fighting" volume and they explained in the book how it was a big deal to show dead GIs during the war to the home front. Definitely not first released to the public in 1985.
The shit you see in this webm...it went on for years. Everyday for years in the same ground, millions of men, lining up and voluntarily going and committing mutual suicide. It would have been a bit more efficient if, instead of fighting, they had all just been shot in the back of the head by the officers before going over the top.
Entire societies, the world's most advanced, turned themselves into assembly lines of tens of millions of people delivering millions of men to these designated slaughtering grounds and keeping the killing floors in operation
This is why, I think, WW1 happened. European society in 1914 was capable of doing this. God punished them for being people who were capable of this by activating the killing machine and turn it on themselves.
Germany has big supply problems while war due to bombing campaign, lack of trucks, late shift to full war production.
German soldiers never have enough boots, cold weather gear, etc.
She could get a $29 STG-44 in the Mail if she could afford the tax stamp.
Most of the jim crow era laws dealt with preventing blacks from getting pistols
If we include a semi-automatic M1 carbine as an assault rifle, then definitely yes.
>Both were curved, but I don't know much about the use of the weapons or how they were employed, only their existence.
You're supposed to make up some highly improbable but entertaining "facts". I'll corroborate whatever you say.
Go for it, I got your back.
Even if they get published, people choose what they want to see for the most part. It seriously shouldn't be that hard to comprehend that people die miserably in war.
Jesus fuck I'm a bit spooked but damn is it interesting to look at these pics
WW1 sure was disgusting
>China/India/Pakistan nuke each other
>hundreds of millions dead, billions in the long run
>West recolonizes Africa and South America
Good times. Except for the environmentally-devastating aftermath of the nuclear exchange.
The only thing i saw wrong with this were all the ass mad chinese tourists, if thats how the get rid of their dead and bathe thats how they do it, if the chinese dont like it they dont have to go there
Some of the more interesting captions:
Mobilization of the children for the mass murder
Englishman that burned in his tank
After the tank battle at Cambrai, 30. 11. 1917
Plane crash from 6000 m altitude, house completely penetrated (France 1918)
German "Hero's Death" in a shell hole
"Digging unit" (a french "hero" wrapped in the sheet)
Thank God for not having peace yet; I'm sayying it again despite all the sacrifices ...
War as educator of the youth
Remains of the four-legged "heroes" after being made into horse sausage
Animals were slaughtered like men - men like animals
"He had a very nice death and a golden youth"
From a People mending institute
"Moderation in war is a form of retardation"
Right eye torn away by shrapnel
A civilian who shot without governmental permit, thus killed by professional murderers with a permit for hanging
Austrian soldiers on execution duty, a medic is checking if the heart's still beating
A hero's grave from above
The hero in the grave - how he really looks like below
This is what statists actually believe.
Tell me, if a nation is comprised of people how is it more valuable than the people within it?
If you would kill another man for the safety of "the nation" - whatever that even is - then you truly are disturbed.
I'd take my chances with chemical weapons.
This isn't nuclear weapon related, but it demonstrates pretty well the effects of radiation poisoning.
>On September 30th, 1999, in an act that would later be described as "elementary-school stupidity", Hisashi Ouchi poured several gallons of high-purity enriched uranium oxide in to a stainless steel bucket containing uranyl nitrate. Ouchi immediately saw a flash of blue light emanating from the container. It was the most beautiful and also the most terrifying thing he had ever seen.
>Ouchi immediately felt nauseous. He vomited in to the tank and lost consciousness in a matter of seconds. His co-worker Masato Shinohara managed to run three paces before losing consciousness as alarms at the Tokaimura nuclear facility sounded.
>When doctors received the two patients in Tokyo they were not yet aware of the extent of damage incurred. A look at Ouchi's chromosomes revealed that they had been shattered like glass. Doctors knew they had no chance to save his life, but were not aware of the horror that was about to ensue.
>The white blood cell count of both patients was zero. Their skin began to slough off of their bodies. No amount of painkillers could give relief to these men who hold the world record for the longest survival rate of anyone afflicted with acute radiation poisoning.
>Hisashi Ouchi, still alive and conscious, months before his death
Pic: Masato Shinohara's hospitalization photos
>Ouchi's intestines began to melt, so doctors put a camera in his rectum to monitor their condition. His muscular tissue broke down to the point where it began to slide off of his bones. He died 82 days after exposure of multiple organ failure in a condition that can be described as "skeletonized".
>Doctors described his death as an unnecessary tragedy caused by human greed. A long history of unprofessional conduct at the Tokaimura nuclear facility had been covered up by Japanese officials -- many employees who suffered radiation-related injuries from substandard conditions at the facility were bribed not to take their stories to the press. The Tokaimura facility where this incident occurred was shut down but there are numerous other facilities like it all around the world. This could happen in your neighborhood.
>How these individuals managed to survive for months in their condition is a modern medical mystery.
>this photgraph was sent as a viewing-postcard, with "best wishes/best regards" from the (battle)field
>the colored races also adopted the christian culture
I would have found a way to kill myself.
Fuck everything about that.
OP here, there are more photos from this book, or possibly added in a later reprint. I'm not about the dump them all but you can find them here:
Not sure about god, but I think 1914 happened because all tools were there, provided by industrialization of Europe.
Mass production allowed outfitting armies faster than equipement was lost, developement of medicine allowed communities large enough to keep such massive war machine running forever if needed, and newly discovered nationalism provided able men that could be armed and used.
This gave countries confidence they can not lose a war. Even of they couldn't win it, they would throw men in, untill enemy decides it's not worth it. All it needed was for someone to think he can find workaround and win war before lines are formed and humanwaves ready to use.
Turns out no one was wiling to give up. And with near unpenetrable defences, no one could actually win. the only way was making enemy run out of needed resources. And resource both essential and easy to reach were able-bodied men.
In bongland there's a show that's like a weird patriotic recruitment drive thing called our world war, which is based on world war 1 battles, except the soldiers all talk like kids do these days and there's dubstep music and call of duty special effects like the satellite birds eye view and tactical info
>mfw the sand niggers have always been beheading people
no but it's what would happen if you peeked into the elephant's foot in Chernobyl.
Radiation is the scariest shit in the world. It's something that can't be stopped with almost anything, that will destroy and break down the very molecular composition of your body, that a minuscule, unnoticeable exposure will guarantee an excruciatingly painful death and that turns everything it touches deadly for millenia too.
it's the closest thing to an abrahamic curse there is.
>that turns everything it touches deadly for millenia too.
mfw people actually believe this
>Even today, radiation levels are so high that the workers responsible for rebuilding the sarcophagus are only allowed to work five hours a day for one month before taking 15 days of rest. Ukrainian officials estimate the area will not be safe for human life again for another 20,000 years.
>It's something that can't be stopped with almost anything, that will destroy and break down the very molecular composition of your body, that a minuscule, unnoticeable exposure will guarantee an excruciatingly painful death and that turns everything it touches deadly for millenia too.
How about battle of Carrhae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Carrhae . Fucking Parths could not kill Romans fast enough so they just cut their hamstrings so they don't run away and came back later to finish the job
This is about foreign powers are trying to destroy your nations, if your nation loses all the individuals within it are lost too.
Regardless, an authoritarian state is important and only valid during a war, it takes everything from everyone to win.
Nice strawmanning though.
Theres people who live in Chernobyl as we speak. They are fine, show no signs of radiation sickness or developing cancers/tumors. The initial moment those reactors went boom and many years after, was the worst. Now it's all good. As a matter of fact plant and animal life there is flourishing. There's a huge boom in native wolf and deer species, including birds, and fish etc. Trees are growing bigger and stronger than ever, and just recently scientists are looking into what possible positive effects radiation has on organic life. Yes there are some parts of Chernobyl that are still complete hell holes, but just some.
The biggest issue there is actually dust - there's still quite a bit of irradiated dust particles, so certain places pose a danger unless you have a gas mask.
But yeah, for the most part the Zone is disappointingly safe, as long as you stay out of the NPP itself.
Even with early firearms it was just as brutal
>pike and shot
>get impaled on a pike
>get hit by a musketball
>unless your were shot in the head you would bleed out
>be inna pike formation
>get jammed in the gut by and enemy pike while you comrades behind you trample over you bleeding ass
>same deal except without the pikes
>get stuck with a bayonet
>left to bleed out on the field
>get hit with a ball
>fight in the colonies
>get clubbed by injuns and scalped
There was a good chance of surviving a musket ball if it hit you in the arm, legs or if it was a flesh wound, but apart from that getting hit in the chest and gut was a slow agonizing death.
That reminds me
>typical spiritual I'm better than you because I'm a vegan guy I know from high school was at my mates 21st
>telling us about his time in india
>go to the Ganges for spiritual reasons
>bunch of white hippies and spirituals doing symbolic bathing to wash away sins etc
>some fuckhead even drink the water to cleanse their body
>about 5 people in his group do that
>He has raging ear infections
>one lady was sick with what turned out to be diphtheria
>others ended up with nasty parasites in their guts
>another guy ended up losing an eye to some heinous infection
I felt no sympathy for them, do something that stupid you deserve what you get.
Forgot to add
>even if you feel to the ground bleeding out there were always reports of enemy soldiers biting each other's throats out, eye gouging, strangling, ripping/biting out tongues, biting ears off etc
>An elderly person doing morning exercises, technical difficulty rating 3.0, far higher than the Tai-chi exercises of old men and women in [China's] parks.
Funny gal; regardless, disgusting shit culture perpetuated by backward, outdated myths.
>Just one more thread before I get some sleep
At least I know what the story is behind the Mr. Stretchy in the hospital bed
Everything should be censored.
Just look at /pol/.
Forget what book I read it in, but doing the calculations for how much blood was in a man and how much you could expect to bleed out before it congealed or whatever had the author make the assertion that the claim of some ancient author about the very field of Cannae being a river of blood was not really that far fetched.
Victor Davis Hansen's book Western Way of War does a pretty good exhaustive job of dealing with the nature of Greek warfare. His thesis, which I don't agree with in the totality of it but probably has an element of truth, is the Greeks developed Hoplite warfare gradually to be designed to compact war into a single horrifying engagement.
I recommend the book, although I'm more inclined to JE Lendon's theory for Hoplite warfare (read his book then took two courses he taught, so I am biased.).
He touches on the issue of PTSD and the question of if it existed back then or not. There's not the slightest question dread before the attack existed, no question there. I'll try and find the one clear cut account of PTSD from a veteran of war back then, a Roman general who says he can never forget the sight of the Macedonian pikes bearing down on them.
I'll never understand why America sided with Britain (its originally nemesis) and the Soviet Union (shithole communist dictatorship) instead of Germany.
Can't find it, but can find some other gems of what it was like back then:
"At this engagement the following strange thing occurred: a certain Epizelos, the son of Kouphagoras, as he fought in the ranks and proved himself a brave fighter, suddenly lost sight in both eyes. Yet, he had neither been struck or pierced in the body by any weapon. From that moment on he remained blind for the rest of his life. I have heard that Epizelos used to attribute his misfortune to the following cause: A great armed hoplite had appeared opposite him, whose entire shield was by his beard. This phantom had passed him by, but had killed the soldier stationed at his side. (Herodotus 6.117)"
The blind part reminds me of what I had heard of someone's PTSD experience, albeit it a temporary 5-30 minutes of blindness without any prior stimuli years after they served.
Hansen describes "one aenos suffered a javelin wound deep in the lwoer back which resulted in the usual peritonel inflammation.Though initially not painful, by the 3rd day he was in severe agony and suffering constipation. Twenty four hours later, constantly vomiting and convulsing, the victim became dazed and dehydrated. He passed away five days after the original wound. (Epidemics, 5.61).
>Closer ties to Britain and France in WW1
>alliance from WW1
>Nazis were allied with Japan
>we didn't like the Nazis anyway
>we really didn't like the Nazis
>Seriously, fuck the Nazis
>America sides with Germany instead of Great Britain
>Britain immediately sues for peace with Germany
>Germany crushes the Soviet Union
>No final solution; Jews deported to Palestine or Madagascar
>No oil embargo on Japan
>No Pearl Harbor
>Soviet Union divided up between conquering powers (Germany, America, Japan, Italy)
>Continued economic prosperity in the West; Japan dominates in the East, subjugating China; Germany and America rule Europe
>No cold war
>Communism purged without mercy
Poet Tyrtaios (and bear in mind back then, being the 600s-300s BC, every man who would offer us either firsthand accounts or be quoted or spoken to by someone who could write would have been in the hoplite phalanx or cavalry.) describing the shameful sight of an older man rather than a younger man standing and dying at the front of the phalanx, "His hair white and his beard grey, breathing out his last strong spirit amidst the dust, holding in his hands his testicles all bloody".
Hansen remarks about how remarkably adept the Greeks were at binding torn flesh from slices and cut wounds. So long as the wound wasn't involving an artery the likelihood of living was high. Peforations were almost certain to kill you unless it was in a flesh-wound sort of spot, while bludgeoning is exceptionally common. The later reference of the battle of Wisby (1361) has 44% of all injuries found on the battlefield skeletons to the skull.
With the absence of literature or vase paintings of men bed-ridden or chair-ridden, the likelihood is that any paralyzing wound would kill.
A very common trope in Aristophanes' plays is the mocking/joking about men shitting and pissing themselves in fear of the coming fight. Enough that at least his translation of Aristophanes' peace has the line describing war as "the terrible one, the tough one, the one upon the legs".
No. The "Stop the War Coalition" wanted it banned, and they asked some Brit half Colonel what he thought of it. Being a half Colonel of an Infantry outfit, he (rightfully) thinks videogames are for losers and said he didn't like the idea of it.
I know you'll equate that to an entire country screaming for a shitty videogame to be banned, but there you go.
Some of these people were just much tougher than anyone alive today.
Look at the major injuries Alexander suffered:
>Cleaver slash to the head
>Sword blow in the thigh
>Catapult missile to the chest/shoulder
>Arrow through the leg
>Stone strike to the head and neck
>Dart through the shoulder
>Arrow in the ankle
>Heavy arrow through the lung
Not to mention literally dozens of lesser injuries. When he died, it was said that he had been wounded by every kind of weapon known to exist at the time.
But all his wounds were in front. His backside was unmarred.
Only because America had already made a clear declaration to support Britain and the Soviets.
Basically America missed the greatest opportunity to power-grab in human history. The empire is pretty well doomed because of it.
It is bullshit, Capa fucked up setting his camera and returned mostly empty rolls with only a handful of salvageable frames. The truth has been kept hush just because you don't speak ill of the legend.