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In 1985 it was revealed that during the initial years of World War II the Office of War Information kept an archive refereed to as the "Chamber of Horrors". Within, photographs deemed too graphic for publication and possibly damaging to morale. Photos of dead Americans soldiers were not released to the press until 1943. As the war turned in favor of the Allies, such photographs (though often sanitized) were made available in order to combat overconfidence and maintain commitment on the home front.

Such attempts to manage news and information and to shape images and perceptions of the war fell far short of what other belligerent nations were doing and avoided the excesses of World War I—but they did amount to domestic propaganda and censorship that have been criticized since.

What rights do the public have regarding such photos?

Pic related: the first image released from the "Chamber".
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>What rights do the public have regarding such photos?

Every right, if the press wanted to publish it. It's called the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

Also, starting Vietnam and onward, such images would hit stateside faster. You can literally broadcast a war live nowadays if you so felt like it.
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Another of the original releases.

>An American soldier of the Antitank Co., 34th Regiment who was killed by mortar fire during the Battle of Leyte.
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>>23853934
dat leg
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this is all small potatoes compared to photos from an article "cleaning up the river Ganges"

look it up, you wont be disapoint
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Whoa it's almost like war is actually a terrible, gory meat-grinder where human bodies are smashed, torn and pierced in the timeless horror of mortal combat, and the only way to get the average citizen to support it is to downplay the truth of it trough censorship or distraction or paint a convincing picture of a more evil outcome that would be prevented by it.
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>>23854950
can you post a link? i googled it but foubd a bunch of different articles
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>>23853934
Boneitis, what a way to go.
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>>23854978
I cant even imagine how horrifying battle before firearms mustve been.

Jesus God in heaven it must've been terrible.
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>>23855010
http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html

you have been warned

hope this doesnt count as gore
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>>23855044
>not wanting to massacre your enemies with a shovel
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>>23854978
or just flood the market with nonstop gore in everything, from movies to TV, video games to music, make it all just acceptable and normal.
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>>23855167
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>>23855201
I would be cool with all the violence in media if only it came with more nudity
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>>23855044
nice dubs

let me get you a link to an ancient battle real quick

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae

to sum it up

>80,000 Romans/Allied troops
>50,000 ish Carthagianians
>Romans near totally wiped out

If you were in that battle and a Roman you stood an extremely low chance of coming out of it alive. Most of your friends are dead, you are completely and utterly routed. But it gets even better than that: Reports state that men (since the romans were utterly enveloped) were standing so close in the middle that some were suffocated and crushed, and there was barely room to even stab or fight.

Imagine being in the eighth rank back, watching as carthaginians slowly stab their way to you. And the killing didn't end quickly. It lasted all fucking day. And this wasn't a clean, projectile based combat like modern times. Every single person that was killed was likely stabbed to death, pelted with stones or shot from very close range.

fucking crazy.
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>>23855230
Didn't the Carthagnians use swords that were designed to make their enemies bleed to death, rather than die from stab wound or whatever?
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>>23855148
Guuu, nigga that's nasty
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>>23855230
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>>23855240
Well the sword-armed soldiers were likely using a greek kopis or Iberian (modern day spain) sword called a falcata.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcata
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopis

Both were curved, but I don't know much about the use of the weapons or how they were employed, only their existence.
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>>23855230
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>>23855044

Your intangible omnipotent toga wearing super being ain't got shit to do with anything.

Especially war of all things.
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>>23855221
Yeah the medias violence/sexuality double standard really pisses me off

Reminds me that Britbongistan recently banned pornography featuring female orgasm, fucking retarded if you ask me
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>>23855148

>One can't criticize people for relieving themselves in the field & beach, afterall it's what our ancestors did.


Still don't make that shit alright or socially acceptable.
Damn.
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>>23853888
>the public finances war
>war is fought in the interest of the public
>thinking the public doesn't have the right to know everything
why do you hate freedom you subhuman?
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>>23855148
Well India is definitely staying off my list, not that I ever wanted to go in the first place.
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>>23855240
Not really...but yes, their swords were not as effective as Spanish, Roman, or Celtic swords.

Carthiginian troop quality was generally lower than most of their mercenaries.
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>>23855274

They were limb choppers, used against lightly armored footmen, since they were curved they weren't fit for thrusting or piercing armor. They were perfect for making deep cutting wounds and severing limbs.

Imagine a Kukri but with a longer and heavier blade.
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>>23855230
Cannae was hardly typical of ancient warfare and should not be taken as some sort of estimation of the average ancient battle.
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>>23855148
>in the comments
"Actually, this is exactly how America does it, using violence to beat the Indians [Native Americans] to death, pushing the Asian, African, and poor out into the country, running the poor white people into the surrounding outskirts of the cities. America’s police are even more terrible than China’s chengguan. If you’re within two meters of a police officer, you have to raise your hands, otherwise American police have the right to shoot you dead."

CIDF pls.
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>>23855731

>If you're within two meters of a police office, you have to raise your hands to avoid being lawfully shot to death.

Holy shit that's hilarious.

Our cops have become steeming piles of shit for quite some time, but they've got nothing on Chengguan, or the Hakkou System chinese trash implement.
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>>23855274
The falcata was used by the Spaniard mercs and only sometimes adopted by the Carthiginian infantry.
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>>23855636
WHAT WHY
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>>23855806
They didn't ban it outright, they banned the PRODUCTION of it.

Still stupid but whatever.
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>>23853888
During a total war, none. The survival of the nation supersedes the right of individuals.
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>>23855645

Yeah, that line of thinking always seemed funny to me because I always find myself thinking "but that's stupid. they only lived that way because they had no choice. 99% of people from all historical periods would happily give up their more wild customs if they had a choice."
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>>23855148
breh
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>>23855814
yes but WHY
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>>23855957
Muh morals
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>>23855615
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>>23856122
How?
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>>23856351
Man, I don't know. It is, as far as I can tell, completely fucking arbitrary. They seem to have just crapped out a list of some stuff and deemed it "content that is not acceptable". No explanation or anything.

List is as follows:
Spanking
Caning
Aggressive whipping
Penetration by any object “associated with violence”
Physical or verbal abuse (regardless of if consensual)
Urolagnia (known as “water sports”)
Female ejaculation
Strangulation
Facesitting
Fisting

The last three they have claimed are "potentially life threatening" and that's why they're banned. Everything else, there's no explanation why they were banned.
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>>23856471
>The last three they have claimed are "potentially life threatening" and that's why they're banned. Everything else, there's no explanation why they were banned.
>Everything else, there's no explanation why they were banned.
>there's no explanation why they were banned.

Reminds me of fuckin' grade school.
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>>23856471
female ejaculation is deemed not to actually exist, it is instead purely female urination and therefore is restricted on the basis of health - the same as with water sports
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>>23856672
It's draconian bullshit either way.
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>>23856672
urine is sterile
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>>23855636
>banning depictions of things that don't exist

Bongs
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>>23855148
Jesus fucking christ. No wonder Indians stink, they literally fucking bathe in water filled with shit and ROTTING FUCKING CORPSES. What the fuck India?
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>>23856786
that is a myth
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>>23853922
>if you so felt like it.
That was literally done in the 2004 invasion of Iraq
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>>23856759
what is a draconian?
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>>23855658
>war is fought in the interest of the public
HAHAHAHAHA OH WOW
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>>23853922

The press doesn't have a "right" to be in a war zone.
if the government allows you to go there, they can decide what you can and cannot do.
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>>23855148
& to think lndia is a super power now.kek
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>>23856878
> Normal urine is not only pH balanced, it is non-toxic and is believed to contain manynutrientsand healing compounds. As such, it would stand to reason that it could be used to help heal wounds. In fact, some research has been done to determine whether urine is capable of healing wounds, and the results indicate that it is in fact very effective.

>Normal urine is both anti-viral and anti-bacterial, making it a potentially ideal treatment for cuts, abrasions, wounds, and skin infections of any kind.

http://wisegeek.org/why-do-they-say-that-you-should-pee-on-wounds.htm
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>>23856906
I always thought the word "draconian" came from the Latin draco but apparently it is named after a Greekfag
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>>23857014
okay
>I thought you were talking about aliens and shit
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>>23855822
Not trying to be edgy but, not everyone is made to live a "civilized"life. Or would want to for that matter. Maybe its @ 75-80% IMO
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>>23855240
most stab wounds cause bleeding to death if left untreated
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>>23855615
*tips fedora *
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>>23856878
>someone states a fact
>this poster feels compelled to claim that fact is a myth
>without reasoning or a source
>gets told
>stops posting

Take note, children. This is the quintessential shitposter and the primary detractor of board quality
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>>23856925

and most of these photos are taken by DOD photograhers, so it's in the public domain
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>>23857010
Next time I'm doing a run through on a CLS lane, I should piss on my casualty's gunshot wound and see what the medics say.
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War Against War (1924) Ernst Friedrich

1/3
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>>23857491

2/3
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>>23855724

you're right, usually the slaughter took place after one army broke and ran as the fleeing soldiers were cut down
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“Derby described the incredible artificial weather that Earthlings sometimes create for other Earthlings when they don’t want those other Earthlings to inhabit Earth any more. Shells were bursting in the treetops with terrific bangs, he said, showering down knives and needles and razorblades. Little lumps of lead in copper jackets were crisscrossing the woods under the shellbursts, zipping along much faster than sound.

A lot of people were being wounded or killed. So it goes.”
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>>23857491

3/3
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>>23855148

>implying china any less gross
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>>23857014
>>23857041

It is about the rther strict laws that guy made.
If there was a penalty it was mostly death.
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>>23857491
>>23857510
>>23857533

I've always found it odd that so many WW1 photos were published that would have never been seen during WW2. Or even the famous American Civil War photo of a disemboweled soldier.

I guess the technology was still relatively new that nobody realized what the effects would be.
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>>23853888
Don't suppose that we could find more of there anywhere could we?
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>>23857491
>>23857510
>>23857533
The captions are pretty good. This guy is full of contempt for war and its glorification.
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>>23858582
That's a pretty infamous book, he also built an anti-war museum in Berlin after WW1 but you can guess who closed it.

>>23858501
Pic related: this is the only other one I remember coming from the 'Chamber', a French collaborator executed.
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>>23858812
After 1943 when the tide of the war had changed the OWI was able to convince FDR to let more images get out. That said a lot of publications still refused to publish them. The photo in OP was the first, by 'Life' and even then it was prefaced with a full article explaining why they chose to print it.

Pic related: This one was released after the Bulge. German soldiers taking the boots from dead GIs. You can imagine the political use of a photo showing your enemy having to loot boots off corpses. You can also see the censor marks of what they did hide, though.
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>>23859010
I think this photo is of the same group, but can't find a source on that. They're smoking American cigarettes.
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Robert Capa, famous for his D-Day photos took this one. 'American soldier killed by a German sniper, Germany, 1945'. Don't think it was published until after the war, though.
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>>23857516
TEST MY BALLS
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>>23857010
it's still not sterile and can carry foreign substances and transmit disease

it's only sterile if you yourself are of good health
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>>23855148
Christ...that's fucking disgusting. A good friend of mine has traveled extensively in the middle east and Asia, he said India was hands down the most filthy, overcrowded place he's ever been.
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>>23859123
Also, for anyone familiar with the story of the "lost" Capa's DDay photos, I'm pretty certain it's bullshit.
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>>23857533
Not a pacifist, but war is disgusting.
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>>23857527
Vonnegut? But not Slaughterhouse 5....or is it?
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>>23855044
It was really really bad. I mean nightmare fuel bad.

I've read a little about what it was like from first hand accounts, and I'm baffled anyone would participate in it at all.

Imagine you're in a sweltering hot metal suit, that's a quarter of your body weight and you're trying not to get stabbed in the face and genitals while your eyes are clogged with gore and mud...and it just keeps going for HOURS at a time.
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>>23857219
Naw, he's not a shitposter. If he was, he'd have come back with some ad hominem attack rather than just staying quiet like he has. What you saw here was how a debate/conversation should occur. "I say!" "You're wrong, here's the cite!" "Crickets***"
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Are there no more dead US GI photos?
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>>23859409

No, no one else died in the war. Only those half dozen guys. Everyone else was fine. Stop asking questions.
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>>23859010
'With the Marines at Tarawa' was the most graphic news reel of the War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AopR3TnxffQ

>The film is in full color and uses no actors, making it a valuable historical document. The documentary showed more gruesome scenes of battle than other war films to date. According to the documentary The War, President Roosevelt himself gave approval for showing the film, against the wishes of many advisors.

>Since the pictures were far too graphic to meet the standards of Hollywood producers and distributors, only the President could grant permission for its release to the general public. President Roosevelt consulted the only man who was present at the Battle of Tarawa that he personally knew and trusted, Time-Life photographer Robert Sherrod. Quoting Sherrod, "I tell the President the truth. Our soldiers on the front want people back home to know that they don't knock the hell out of them every day of every battle. They want people to understand that war is a horrible, nasty business, and to say otherwise is to do a disservice to those who died." Based on Sherrod's prompting, FDR agreed to release the film, uncensored.
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>>23855230

i see your stabby battle, and raise you trenches filled with blood, 1.3 millions tons of ordinance dropped onto them. Anglo-French casualties on the Somme were over 600,000 and German casualties were under 600,000.
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>>23857491

i thought the first top right picture, said,
"i'm a tank." i laughed, but then....
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>>23855044

Probably pretty fucking bad

Assuming you don't get your limbs chopped off on the battlefield, or trampled by a batshit insane destrier, or didn't die 2 weeks after the battle ended from gangrene because you got a small ass cut on your hand and lol medieval hygiene; if you showed any psychological damage from being in a battle where 30-70% casualties is not uncommon, you would be ridiculed as a coward.
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>Thread titled horrors
>grainy photos of dead dudes where you can barely see anything and can't hear anything

This thread was a lie.
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>>23856878
In the words of Cody l.to joe,on the show dual survivor.
The only thing drinking piss does is give you piss breath.
Now go brush your teeth.
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>>23855148

I had to go wash my hands after looking at that shit.
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>>23855148

And to think my country Canada has let millions of these "people" in. This country is fucked, i'd move to Europe but its the exact same situation their just a few years behind ours.
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>>23859272
I don't believe so, although Vonnegut sure had a talent for wrapping a sweet pill with a bitter coating
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>>23859052

browning high power in his hand?
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>>23859052
god damn , that's the hearts of Iron III guy
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>>23855044
Don't worry we're trying our best to make modern war just as potentially horrifying.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=963_1358593619
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>>23855658
>thinking majority of people back home can stomach how war really looks like
were you living under rock last 25 years or what?
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>>23859153
Could Rosa Parks have owned an assault rifle then?
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>>23859607
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>>23859607
have another one
>>23859564
Reminds me Six Days in Fallujah. Politicians and activists forced publishers to cancel, despite vets who were there saying they want game to happen and be as honest as possible
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>>23853888
That picture was first published in the September 20th, 1943 edition of Life.

>Here lie three Americans.
>What shall we say of them? Shall we say that this is a noble sight? Shall we say that it is a fine thing, that they should give their lives for their country?
>Or shall we say that it is too horrible to look at?
>Why print this picture, anyway, of three American boys dead upon an alien shore? Is it to hurt people? To be morbid?
>Those are not the reasons.
>The reason is that words are never enough. The eye sees. The mind knows. The heart feels. But the words do not exist to make us see, or know, or feel what it is like, what actually happens. The words are never right.
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I don't like these threads.

I don't like war.
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>>23855230
This is how it is in Mount&Blade when there's only 5 guys on each side left in a 500 vs 500 fight.

I would pause and gaze at my army's in Medieval 2 Total War after a huge battle, 2,000 english vs 4,000 french. I won with only 19 guys left, the field was covered in corpse's.
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>>23859209
died with his finger on the trigger and a grenade in his other hand. better than being smooshed by tanks tread after getting paralyzed form the waist down by shrapnel i guess.
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>their will never be a new and improved HOI3
>their will never be modern/cold war HOI3
>all we are going to get is the abomination that is HOI4 literally android app game tier

Why
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>>23862736

What is happening here
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>>23862463
I like these threads

I love war
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>>23862761
Im guessing he got separated from his son or daughter and they finally reunited
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>>23862761
guys kid is found alive after bombing or something, probably middle east somewhere
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>>23855148
>that field of human shit
Reminds me of the Futurama episode where Fry is trapped in a dungeon and he says that he just shits where ever he is, like an animal. Then Leela says "animals go in a corner".
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>>23861033

Can anyone post the VX gas guide? Or was it sarin?

It was a pretty good read, a giant wall of text about how to supposedly make it, along with stuff like rolling into a bathtub while stabbing yourself in the heart with a needle and hope you don't die.
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>>23862887
I have it somewhere buried in like 20 GB of images. Funny as fuck though I remember.
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>>23855148
It must be piss easy to murder someone in India. Just kill the bastard and throw him in the river. Nobody would think otherwise.

What a shithole. Literally.
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>>23857010
If you are in good health the urine in your bladder is sterile. You can bet your ass that your urethra isn't though.
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>>23855148
>what? it's just disgusting pictures of india, this isn't even-
>oh god what
I did not expect that
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>>23863526
Irrelevant, urine is anti-bacterial

Checkmate, atheists
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>>23862736
Guy being reunited with his kid after the gas attack in Damascus
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>>23863577
Have a glass.go put cups in urinals.
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>>23863577
But how quickly does it act? At some point there are living bacteria in the urine. ie not sterile.
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>>23861033
>nope
>nope
>NOPE

fuck chemical and biological weapons, at least nukes are quick unless you're the unlucky cocksucker that didn't get pruned by the blast.
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>>23863623
>implying I dont already drink urine everyday and twice on Sundays for its anti-aging properties

Which reminds me, tomorrow is double down day
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>>23863654
>tfw you can look forward to two 12 oz cups of hot pee instead of just one
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>>23862800
>thank allah i can martyr you
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>>23855148
i sincerely hope china nukes india
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>>23861984
You are absolutely correct.

I know this picture stood out in my mind as a kid. My older brother had this same picture in his Time-Life WWII book set. Probably 30 volumes published in 1977 or 1978 I think. This specific pic was found in the 'Island Fighting" volume and they explained in the book how it was a big deal to show dead GIs during the war to the home front. Definitely not first released to the public in 1985.
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>>23861914
The shit you see in this webm...it went on for years. Everyday for years in the same ground, millions of men, lining up and voluntarily going and committing mutual suicide. It would have been a bit more efficient if, instead of fighting, they had all just been shot in the back of the head by the officers before going over the top.

Entire societies, the world's most advanced, turned themselves into assembly lines of tens of millions of people delivering millions of men to these designated slaughtering grounds and keeping the killing floors in operation

This is why, I think, WW1 happened. European society in 1914 was capable of doing this. God punished them for being people who were capable of this by activating the killing machine and turn it on themselves.
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>>23862736
>>23862761

Syrians found dey baybay after Assad airstrike killed like 100 people
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>>23859010

Why germans always loot boots of enemy soldiers? They boots suck jack shit or what?
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>>23863858
>i sincerely hope Pakistan* nukes india
FTFY, only because this is more likely than china doing it.
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>>23860441
Germans liked BHPs as much as everyone but they had to be careful because sometimes occupation era models were deliberately sabotaged.
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>>23865147
Germany has big supply problems while war due to bombing campaign, lack of trucks, late shift to full war production.

German soldiers never have enough boots, cold weather gear, etc.
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>>23861717

She could get a $29 STG-44 in the Mail if she could afford the tax stamp.

Most of the jim crow era laws dealt with preventing blacks from getting pistols

If we include a semi-automatic M1 carbine as an assault rifle, then definitely yes.
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>>23855274
>Both were curved, but I don't know much about the use of the weapons or how they were employed, only their existence.

You're supposed to make up some highly improbable but entertaining "facts". I'll corroborate whatever you say.

Go for it, I got your back.
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>>23864860
>Definitely not first released to the public in 1985.

In the OP I only meant the existence of an archive was revealed in '85. The picture came from the chamber in 1943.
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>>23861914
Which movie is this?
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>>23860034
You do realize the ones who shit in the river are too poor to move, right?
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>>23864919
Are you implying the Jews aren't responsible?
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Even if they get published, people choose what they want to see for the most part. It seriously shouldn't be that hard to comprehend that people die miserably in war.
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>>23861914

yea, killing eachother with shovels rocks and knives with bombs exploding fucking everywhere, sounds worse than a mediaval battle if you ask me.
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>>23861914
Oh damn, I remember Six Days, game was all ready togo i think and they canned it
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>>23857510
>>23857533
Jesus fuck I'm a bit spooked but damn is it interesting to look at these pics
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>>23866038
He fucking exploded
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>>23865810
2008 Passchendaele. Movie is pretty crap, but they did well depicting battle itself.
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>>23857491
>>23857510
>>23857533
WW1 sure was disgusting
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>>23864919

I wonder what those men would think of today's Europe. If they and their potential offspring had been allowed to live....how would his influence the world of today?
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>>23863858
>>23865190

>China/India/Pakistan nuke each other
>hundreds of millions dead, billions in the long run
>???
>West recolonizes Africa and South America
Good times. Except for the environmentally-devastating aftermath of the nuclear exchange.
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>>23860545
I can't remember his name, but he was a panzergrenadier who fought in The Battle of The Bulge. There are several pics taken of him on the same day the HOI3 one was.
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>>23855148
This what happens when you listen to Ghandi.
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Leningrad

Saipan

Hamburger hill

Iran-Iraq war

African bush wars

Desert storm from the iraqi side

Chechenya
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>>23855148
Man, they're so disgusting that even the Chinese can't handle it.
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The only thing i saw wrong with this were all the ass mad chinese tourists, if thats how the get rid of their dead and bathe thats how they do it, if the chinese dont like it they dont have to go there
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>>23857219
What?
He was told and he stopped posting. That's reasonable if you ask me.
Standard shitposting usually continues after being told.
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>>23867947
That's saying something
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>>23857491
Some of the more interesting captions:

Mobilization of the children for the mass murder

Englishman that burned in his tank

After the tank battle at Cambrai, 30. 11. 1917

Plane crash from 6000 m altitude, house completely penetrated (France 1918)

German "Hero's Death" in a shell hole

"Digging unit" (a french "hero" wrapped in the sheet)


Thank God for not having peace yet; I'm sayying it again despite all the sacrifices ...

War as educator of the youth

Remains of the four-legged "heroes" after being made into horse sausage

Animals were slaughtered like men - men like animals


"He had a very nice death and a golden youth"

From a People mending institute

"Moderation in war is a form of retardation"

Right eye torn away by shrapnel

A civilian who shot without governmental permit, thus killed by professional murderers with a permit for hanging

Austrian soldiers on execution duty, a medic is checking if the heart's still beating

Captured czechoslovaks

A hero's grave from above

The hero in the grave - how he really looks like below
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>>23855818
This is what statists actually believe.

Tell me, if a nation is comprised of people how is it more valuable than the people within it?

If you would kill another man for the safety of "the nation" - whatever that even is - then you truly are disturbed.
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>>23857491
>that guy with the severed leg and dick

why even live?
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>>23860363
>>23859272
Yeah it's Vonnegut. "So it goes" is Slaughterhouse 5
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>>23859052
>dat BHP

classy fucker
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>>23859495
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>>23859832
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>>23862795
Tell me about your childhood.
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>>23863646
>>23861033

I'd take my chances with chemical weapons.

This isn't nuclear weapon related, but it demonstrates pretty well the effects of radiation poisoning.

>On September 30th, 1999, in an act that would later be described as "elementary-school stupidity", Hisashi Ouchi poured several gallons of high-purity enriched uranium oxide in to a stainless steel bucket containing uranyl nitrate. Ouchi immediately saw a flash of blue light emanating from the container. It was the most beautiful and also the most terrifying thing he had ever seen.

>Ouchi immediately felt nauseous. He vomited in to the tank and lost consciousness in a matter of seconds. His co-worker Masato Shinohara managed to run three paces before losing consciousness as alarms at the Tokaimura nuclear facility sounded.

>When doctors received the two patients in Tokyo they were not yet aware of the extent of damage incurred. A look at Ouchi's chromosomes revealed that they had been shattered like glass. Doctors knew they had no chance to save his life, but were not aware of the horror that was about to ensue.

>The white blood cell count of both patients was zero. Their skin began to slough off of their bodies. No amount of painkillers could give relief to these men who hold the world record for the longest survival rate of anyone afflicted with acute radiation poisoning.

>Hisashi Ouchi, still alive and conscious, months before his death
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>>23868976

cont

Pic: Masato Shinohara's hospitalization photos

>Ouchi's intestines began to melt, so doctors put a camera in his rectum to monitor their condition. His muscular tissue broke down to the point where it began to slide off of his bones. He died 82 days after exposure of multiple organ failure in a condition that can be described as "skeletonized".

>Doctors described his death as an unnecessary tragedy caused by human greed. A long history of unprofessional conduct at the Tokaimura nuclear facility had been covered up by Japanese officials -- many employees who suffered radiation-related injuries from substandard conditions at the facility were bribed not to take their stories to the press. The Tokaimura facility where this incident occurred was shut down but there are numerous other facilities like it all around the world. This could happen in your neighborhood.

>How these individuals managed to survive for months in their condition is a modern medical mystery.
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>>23868976
>>23868998
>>23868976
>>23868998

I thought the Japanese were pragmatic when it came to assisted suicide when quality of life is a factor.
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>>23857510
freely translated:
>this photgraph was sent as a viewing-postcard, with "best wishes/best regards" from the (battle)field
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>>23857510
>the colored races also adopted the christian culture
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>>23861033
god damn I used to have a albino rabbit just like those now I need a drink or a dozen
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>>23869084
they just had a nuclear rerun of unit 721

and the nips having a special bond with fallout
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>>23868976
I would have found a way to kill myself.

Fuck that.
Fuck everything about that.
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>>23861914
apparently only Germans died in WW1
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>>23857491
>>23857510
>>23857533
>>23858582
>>23866132
>>23866757

OP here, there are more photos from this book, or possibly added in a later reprint. I'm not about the dump them all but you can find them here:

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f226/war-against-war-108827/
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>>23855240
That's the antic equivalent of: 5.56mm isn't designed to kill but to wound.
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>>23869212
No you wouldn't, your muscles would be too weak/disconnected from your bones to move. Maybe if you could beg to die from a sympathetic nurse.
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>>23868976
You gotta be fucking kidding me...
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>>23864919
Not sure about god, but I think 1914 happened because all tools were there, provided by industrialization of Europe.
Mass production allowed outfitting armies faster than equipement was lost, developement of medicine allowed communities large enough to keep such massive war machine running forever if needed, and newly discovered nationalism provided able men that could be armed and used.
This gave countries confidence they can not lose a war. Even of they couldn't win it, they would throw men in, untill enemy decides it's not worth it. All it needed was for someone to think he can find workaround and win war before lines are formed and humanwaves ready to use.
Turns out no one was wiling to give up. And with near unpenetrable defences, no one could actually win. the only way was making enemy run out of needed resources. And resource both essential and easy to reach were able-bodied men.
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>>23869457
That's what I said. It reads like a creepypasta.
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>>23862795
>I love war
You won't ever participate though, you don't actually care about war.


You're just a nerdy kid on the internet.
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>>23869510
>butthurt american

cry moar
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>>23861816
Sauce
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>>23868976
is there any legit sauce to this?

Is this what would happen when a groundburst nuclear weapon detonates in a populated area?
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In bongland there's a show that's like a weird patriotic recruitment drive thing called our world war, which is based on world war 1 battles, except the soldiers all talk like kids do these days and there's dubstep music and call of duty special effects like the satellite birds eye view and tactical info

LOL
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>>23869722
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE25a6v5-kA
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>>23862795
>I love war

Join the club.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0m573MxXXw
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>>23869701
To get close enough to a nuke to get a dose of radiation that makes you pass out in seconds, you're too close to not get incinerated.
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>>23854978
>MORTAL KOMBAAAAAAAAAAAT
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>>23869114
>mfw the sand niggers have always been beheading people
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>>23869701
>Hisashi Ouchi

As far as I can tell from a quick search, it actually happened. Jesus christ.
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>>23861914
I thought the British veterans want it to be banned? But then it is British, so not surprise.
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>>23868976
>What're ya lookin' at, smoothskin?
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>>23869701

no but it's what would happen if you peeked into the elephant's foot in Chernobyl.

Radiation is the scariest shit in the world. It's something that can't be stopped with almost anything, that will destroy and break down the very molecular composition of your body, that a minuscule, unnoticeable exposure will guarantee an excruciatingly painful death and that turns everything it touches deadly for millenia too.

it's the closest thing to an abrahamic curse there is.
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>>23868976
>trying to live with that
Fuck, just ffuuuucckk
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>>23869658
Lost Battalion, made for TV movie. Its pretty good if you can get past the generic war movie bullshit
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>>23869901
>that turns everything it touches deadly for millenia too.

mfw people actually believe this
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>>23870065

>Even today, radiation levels are so high that the workers responsible for rebuilding the sarcophagus are only allowed to work five hours a day for one month before taking 15 days of rest. Ukrainian officials estimate the area will not be safe for human life again for another 20,000 years.
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>>23870142
>HURR DURR ALL RADIATEN IS DA SAME! SO DEDLY AN SCARRRY

Maybe you should sit in on the next Oppenheimer thread, you might learn something.
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>>23870204

maybe you should learn what an hiperbole is
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>>23870142
Being exposed to radiation doesn't make you radioactive. If you radiate metal it will remain radioactive for a long time but not organic material.
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>>23859889

This is form the American Civil War
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>It's something that can't be stopped with almost anything, that will destroy and break down the very molecular composition of your body, that a minuscule, unnoticeable exposure will guarantee an excruciatingly painful death and that turns everything it touches deadly for millenia too.
100% bullshit
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>>23869522
wat
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>>23855230
How about battle of Carrhae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Carrhae . Fucking Parths could not kill Romans fast enough so they just cut their hamstrings so they don't run away and came back later to finish the job
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>>23868385
This is about foreign powers are trying to destroy your nations, if your nation loses all the individuals within it are lost too.

Regardless, an authoritarian state is important and only valid during a war, it takes everything from everyone to win.

Nice strawmanning though.
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bump

there have been some interesting posts in this thread
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>>23870142
Theres people who live in Chernobyl as we speak. They are fine, show no signs of radiation sickness or developing cancers/tumors. The initial moment those reactors went boom and many years after, was the worst. Now it's all good. As a matter of fact plant and animal life there is flourishing. There's a huge boom in native wolf and deer species, including birds, and fish etc. Trees are growing bigger and stronger than ever, and just recently scientists are looking into what possible positive effects radiation has on organic life. Yes there are some parts of Chernobyl that are still complete hell holes, but just some.
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>>23875721
The biggest issue there is actually dust - there's still quite a bit of irradiated dust particles, so certain places pose a danger unless you have a gas mask.

But yeah, for the most part the Zone is disappointingly safe, as long as you stay out of the NPP itself.
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>>23855044
Even with early firearms it was just as brutal
>pike and shot
>get impaled on a pike
>get hit by a musketball
>unless your were shot in the head you would bleed out
>be inna pike formation
>get jammed in the gut by and enemy pike while you comrades behind you trample over you bleeding ass
>18th century
>same deal except without the pikes
>get stuck with a bayonet
>left to bleed out on the field
>get hit with a ball
>bleed out
>fight in the colonies
>get clubbed by injuns and scalped
There was a good chance of surviving a musket ball if it hit you in the arm, legs or if it was a flesh wound, but apart from that getting hit in the chest and gut was a slow agonizing death.
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>>23855148
That reminds me
>typical spiritual I'm better than you because I'm a vegan guy I know from high school was at my mates 21st
>telling us about his time in india
>go to the Ganges for spiritual reasons
>bunch of white hippies and spirituals doing symbolic bathing to wash away sins etc
>some fuckhead even drink the water to cleanse their body
>about 5 people in his group do that
>next day
>He has raging ear infections
>one lady was sick with what turned out to be diphtheria
>others ended up with nasty parasites in their guts
>another guy ended up losing an eye to some heinous infection
I felt no sympathy for them, do something that stupid you deserve what you get.
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>>23875909
Forgot to add
>even if you feel to the ground bleeding out there were always reports of enemy soldiers biting each other's throats out, eye gouging, strangling, ripping/biting out tongues, biting ears off etc
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>>23855148
>An elderly person doing morning exercises, technical difficulty rating 3.0, far higher than the Tai-chi exercises of old men and women in [China's] parks.

Funny gal; regardless, disgusting shit culture perpetuated by backward, outdated myths.
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>Just one more thread before I get some sleep
At least I know what the story is behind the Mr. Stretchy in the hospital bed
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>>23870217
this is /k/ not /lit/ you and your hyperbole can both fuck off, we deal with realities.
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>>23863553
That dude is on crack in his videos
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>>23853888
Everything should be censored.

Just look at /pol/.
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>>23855230

Forget what book I read it in, but doing the calculations for how much blood was in a man and how much you could expect to bleed out before it congealed or whatever had the author make the assertion that the claim of some ancient author about the very field of Cannae being a river of blood was not really that far fetched.

>>23859819

Victor Davis Hansen's book Western Way of War does a pretty good exhaustive job of dealing with the nature of Greek warfare. His thesis, which I don't agree with in the totality of it but probably has an element of truth, is the Greeks developed Hoplite warfare gradually to be designed to compact war into a single horrifying engagement.

I recommend the book, although I'm more inclined to JE Lendon's theory for Hoplite warfare (read his book then took two courses he taught, so I am biased.).

He touches on the issue of PTSD and the question of if it existed back then or not. There's not the slightest question dread before the attack existed, no question there. I'll try and find the one clear cut account of PTSD from a veteran of war back then, a Roman general who says he can never forget the sight of the Macedonian pikes bearing down on them.
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>>23856471

fucking nanny state bullshit

I hope England dies a slow agonizing death for being an absolute disgrace to European history, Likewise with France
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I'll never understand why America sided with Britain (its originally nemesis) and the Soviet Union (shithole communist dictatorship) instead of Germany.
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>>23881066

Can't find it, but can find some other gems of what it was like back then:

"At this engagement the following strange thing occurred: a certain Epizelos, the son of Kouphagoras, as he fought in the ranks and proved himself a brave fighter, suddenly lost sight in both eyes. Yet, he had neither been struck or pierced in the body by any weapon. From that moment on he remained blind for the rest of his life. I have heard that Epizelos used to attribute his misfortune to the following cause: A great armed hoplite had appeared opposite him, whose entire shield was by his beard. This phantom had passed him by, but had killed the soldier stationed at his side. (Herodotus 6.117)"

The blind part reminds me of what I had heard of someone's PTSD experience, albeit it a temporary 5-30 minutes of blindness without any prior stimuli years after they served.

Hansen describes "one aenos suffered a javelin wound deep in the lwoer back which resulted in the usual peritonel inflammation.Though initially not painful, by the 3rd day he was in severe agony and suffering constipation. Twenty four hours later, constantly vomiting and convulsing, the victim became dazed and dehydrated. He passed away five days after the original wound. (Epidemics, 5.61).
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>>23869735
>comments
Why haven't I learned by now?
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>>23881157
>Closer ties to Britain and France in WW1
>alliance from WW1
>Nazis were allied with Japan
>we didn't like the Nazis anyway
>we really didn't like the Nazis
>Seriously, fuck the Nazis
Pick one.
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>>23881221

>America sides with Germany instead of Great Britain
>Britain immediately sues for peace with Germany
>Germany crushes the Soviet Union
>No final solution; Jews deported to Palestine or Madagascar
>No oil embargo on Japan
>No Pearl Harbor
>Soviet Union divided up between conquering powers (Germany, America, Japan, Italy)
>Continued economic prosperity in the West; Japan dominates in the East, subjugating China; Germany and America rule Europe
>No cold war
>Communism purged without mercy

fucking glorious
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>>23881195

Poet Tyrtaios (and bear in mind back then, being the 600s-300s BC, every man who would offer us either firsthand accounts or be quoted or spoken to by someone who could write would have been in the hoplite phalanx or cavalry.) describing the shameful sight of an older man rather than a younger man standing and dying at the front of the phalanx, "His hair white and his beard grey, breathing out his last strong spirit amidst the dust, holding in his hands his testicles all bloody".

Hansen remarks about how remarkably adept the Greeks were at binding torn flesh from slices and cut wounds. So long as the wound wasn't involving an artery the likelihood of living was high. Peforations were almost certain to kill you unless it was in a flesh-wound sort of spot, while bludgeoning is exceptionally common. The later reference of the battle of Wisby (1361) has 44% of all injuries found on the battlefield skeletons to the skull.

With the absence of literature or vase paintings of men bed-ridden or chair-ridden, the likelihood is that any paralyzing wound would kill.

A very common trope in Aristophanes' plays is the mocking/joking about men shitting and pissing themselves in fear of the coming fight. Enough that at least his translation of Aristophanes' peace has the line describing war as "the terrible one, the tough one, the one upon the legs".
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>>23869831
No. The "Stop the War Coalition" wanted it banned, and they asked some Brit half Colonel what he thought of it. Being a half Colonel of an Infantry outfit, he (rightfully) thinks videogames are for losers and said he didn't like the idea of it.

I know you'll equate that to an entire country screaming for a shitty videogame to be banned, but there you go.
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>>23881132
Most European countries had, or continue to have, extremely strict laws based on what you can and cannot depicit in film.

Germany was, and still is, a big fan of this.
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>>23881157
Hitler wanted war with the US. He was pleased when he found out America had entered the war.

>or maybe you're just being edgy
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>>23881257
>>23881157
Germans are more than capable of losing a war on their own, they don't need the considerable American expertise in such a matter.
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>>23881272

Some of these people were just much tougher than anyone alive today.

Look at the major injuries Alexander suffered:

>Cleaver slash to the head
>Sword blow in the thigh
>Catapult missile to the chest/shoulder
>Arrow through the leg
>Stone strike to the head and neck
>Dart through the shoulder
>Arrow in the ankle
>Heavy arrow through the lung

Not to mention literally dozens of lesser injuries. When he died, it was said that he had been wounded by every kind of weapon known to exist at the time.

But all his wounds were in front. His backside was unmarred.
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>>23881319

Only because America had already made a clear declaration to support Britain and the Soviets.

Basically America missed the greatest opportunity to power-grab in human history. The empire is pretty well doomed because of it.
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>>23859182

Urine is sterile to because it has a cocktail of nutrients and vitamins that your body did not need at the time it goes rancid extremely quickly.
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>>23859239
It is bullshit, Capa fucked up setting his camera and returned mostly empty rolls with only a handful of salvageable frames. The truth has been kept hush just because you don't speak ill of the legend.
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>>23855615
>Our Lord in Heaven has nothing to do with war

Those 10 crusades sure seem like he had something to do with it.
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>>23855615
So much euphoria
How's highschool?
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