The clearest J-31 photos yet. I must say this plane has badass looks.

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>>23536510
And the mockup for its finalized variant.

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>>23536529
This improvement would certainly entail F-22A level of frontal stealth.

>>23536540

>This improvement would certainly entail F-22A level of frontal stealth.

Looking a bit like it has absolutely no bearing on levels of stealth.

>>23537126
Half of stealth is having a stealthy shape, the other half are composites and RAM.

There's a reason all stealth aircrafts in the world look similiar to each other in terms of general characteristics.

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New and fresh off Zhuhai.

Sino-Spear III Small Diameter Powered Air-to-Ground Munition unveiled.

With this baby, China's stealth fighters could carry a substancial amount of about 100km ranged stealthy and guided AGMs in their internal bays that can also be used for anti-ship strikes.

Information about the MBDA SPEAR III:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ub9IL9fflU

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>>23539910
Other PGMs.

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>>23539920

>>23536529
The chinese copy fucking everything.
there hasnt been an origin thought in that country for thousands of years.

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Do you think in 50 years, we'd be able to buy demilitarized milsurp of these jets, as civilians? We can already buy Hinds and Migs after all.

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>>23539910
SPEAR inside the weapons bay of a F-35.

China's Airforce weaponry development are going on overdrive.

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>>23536529

Just looks like a poor man's f-35.

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>>23539939
PL-12 BVRAAM and a new, unidentified heavy long range AAM.

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>>23539952
speculated to be China's AWACS killer, extreme long range AAM.

A J-20 armed with a couple of those internally would be able to kill AWACS at stand-off range.

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>>23540011

>>23539936
Why waste trillions of yuan in R&D when you can just copy from the best? you wont get the same results, but it gives you a lot of extra cash to spend on other things

>>23540037

Because if you don't do your own R&D, by the time you actually get the copied thing in service you are 20 years behind. You have to have your own R&D going if you ever plan to be the best.

>>23540037
Yeah i guess being a hack is more profitable.

>>23540054
I have a feeling theres a massive cyber war going on for information that we wont know about for awhile.

>>23539936
What did they copy here?

Stealth fighters look similiar for a reason.

Or do you want to see a chinese stealth fighter that is shaped like a cube because OH SO ORIGINAL DO NOT STEAL?

That would be retarded and the designer who did this would be shot.

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>>23540037

How 'bout we just fuck you up then?!

>>23539910
>>23539920
>>23539926
>>23539952
>>23539967
Shit.

One reason more to not to fight a land-war in asia.

>>23540080

Or ever since they've changed declassification laws... And me, who wanted to know the facts surrounding the Kennedy assassinations, bummer.

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>>23539910
They also have a AGM-154 JSOW equivalent.

>>23540112

lal, the land war starts once they don't have planes to put in the sky anymore.

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>>23540153
A big fucking guy

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>>23540166
dat engrish.

>>23539910
>>23540153


These seem to be all anti-armor weapons. This is surprising.

Whose armor do the Chinese want to bust? I thought they arent expecting a land-war anytime soon and rather prepare for naval and air combat with Japan and the US?

Why would they need those aerial guided anti tank weapons?

>>23540178
actually that is pretty close to US military/industrial corp speak. The communication of the idea is important, and the extra words are often clipped out.

shadowrun came and went

>>23540178

>gps guidance

lel

>>23540221
China's only way of winning the air war against US allies is to strike their airbases and render their aircrafts useless before battle. Hence they need a lot of modern AG weapons to carry out shock and awe attacks, while being supported by their traditional ballistic missiles and cruise missiles.

>>23540346
Thats for export.

PLAAF variants have Beidou guidance.

>>23539936
Western countries have been copying each other's weapons for thousands of years. You'd be totally ignorant of essential /k/ history to not recognize that fact.

>>23540054
I'm not saying to not do any R&D, but not having to come up with the original concept saves a hell of a lot of time.
>sauce I work for BAE Systems

>>23540751

>expecting non retards who know about origins or rocketry/nazi moon scientists/technological convergence on the tibetan shadow puppet council

J-31 has visual heads up displays around the cockpit in all directions. This is to compensate for Chinese pilots and their poor field of vision.

Now Chinese pilots will not need to undergo eyelid surgery to fly fighters as was PRC policy.

It looks more like a stealthed up f15 than an f35

>>23539938
um... whats the sauce on that image?

>>23541006
I... don't even know where to start with this post. If bait, bravo, good anon.

>>23539941
And now I know what's been bothering me about the J-31 pics I've been seeing. Where the fuck are the maintenance ports on it Seriously, how do they expect to service this bird? Is there a zipper somewhere?

>>23541151

If you squit a little you'll see them on the top of the plane in the fist pic

>>23541230
I see one in front of the cockpit, left of center and one directly behind where the ducted fan on the F-35B is. I see possibly one under the cockpit and a couple after the weapons bay on the nacelles on the underside.

Either this plane has not been fitted with full avionics/targeting/nav/radar packages or they are extremely optimistic about service crew access.

Also, squint. hur hur.

They aren't running and Luneberg Lens.

CIA should be getting radar profile data on it.

>>23541293
I'm going to take a wild guess here and say it's both. These are still relatively early prototypes, and I'm guessing all the shit they've claimed for it is mostly still vapourware and dreams.

also, not having dealt with the maintenance issues one learns to design around over 100 years of aviation prototyping, they may be less wary of maintenance cycle time/effort. So where crew access is a major feature for the F-35 after the clusterassfuckshitparty the F-14 was for crew, the Chinese may have this lesson to look forward to.

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>>23541351
I wonder as well.

Considering they have been flying the J-20 with one all the time.

>>23541396
just a guess here, but they may be flexing a bit with the J-31, thinking they've done well this time around. The J-20 probably still needs a lot of work on radar sig, and they may have been trying to hide how behind they were.

>>23541421
other way around.

J-31, as it is, is still X-35 tier in terms of development. Early prototype , while the J-20 is about to be finished and completing its final tests, as reported recently.

As we can see from the mockup of the final variant, the final J-31 will look quite different from the one flying now.

>>23541351
You know, with all the talk about Russian and Chinese "stealth workarounds", doesn't it stand to reason that the US probably knows more than the rest of the world combined on how to defeat stealth features? I mean, we've been the only country operating stealth aircraft for 30 years now, so you'd think we'd know the vulnerabilities in our own systems.

Does anyone here think the Russians know more, and if so, why? I'm seriously curious.

>>23541449
Except everything I hear seems to suggest the J-20 still has a long way to go. Are they just going to go with rolling upgrades or something?

>>23541465
Yeah, pretty much.

J-20A of 2017 will still fly with uprated WS-10G without TVC in a few brigades, and the subsequent batches will add additional features and a new stealthy WS-15 TVC engine along the way.

>>23541492
Makes you wonder how capable the avionics, radar, targeting and other systems will be out the gate. Starting to sound like another bait-and-switch propaganda move. "See, guys, we're awesome, we have it!" "Uh, not really, Chibro."

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Fucking post that whole brochure, fucking chinese internet!
Its a goddamn airshow!

Anyway, looks like the export name will be "FC-31"

Analogue to FC-1 (for the JF-17) or FCB-1 (For JH-7A) etc.

>>23541525
Also, "4th generation" is a chinese designation for 5th generation.

China's aircraft generations formula doesnt distinguish between the western 1st and 2nd generations (Me 262 vs. MiG-15, F-86 etc) of jet aircrafts. They are putting both in one generation.

>>23541453
The growler version of F/A18 already has ways to beat F22 in 2009

I doubt people at the pentagon are really worry about future Russ/Chin stealth crafts

>>23541560
That's just ridiculous. Why use the designation at all if they can't use it in a manner understandable to the rest of the world? It's a freaking export brochure.

>>23541570
That's what I figured, but with the slavboos and chinktards around here constantly crying about "stealth is overrated!" it always makes me wonder why Russian and China would bother building VLO aircraft if that were true.

>>23541582
Lazy translators.

The Chinese text says "4th gen" and the translators did not bother to translate it to 5th gen in the english text.

>>23541570
>>23541609
I always assume that with enough jamming and EW systems you can pretty much neutralize any stealth advantage and BVR attack from crafts such as F22.

I am wrong about this?

>>23541923
Sure, but who's currently fielding the best EW systems and the best integrated platforms to run them? Everything we hear out of Russia and China is about fighter catch-up. Are their Growler/AWACS anywhere near on par with the US? Are their stealth platforms fielding the same signal processing/strength the US is cramming into their F-22/F-35s? Also, how will EW/jamming defeat the passive stealth features in VLO aircraft?

>>23541923
I heard you like beam-riders, anon. Have some.

How the hell do they expect that to beat radar when it has nozzles like that?

>>23541121
I believe the artist's name is Apostle

>literally an F-22 with edge colors

>>23537173
>I'll take a poor copy of an F-22/35 love baby for 500, Alex

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Beautiful as fuck.

A more slender and feminine looking F-22

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>>23546978
DSI are her boobies.

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>>23546985

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>>23546990
EOTS added.

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>>23546993
serrated traditional nozzles.

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>>23546999
Big mockup shows gun-port and refueling probe as well.

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>>23546999
I wonder why they went from the F-22 styled vertical fins to these kind of fins.

>>23547015

ease/cost of manufacture and probably minimal additional RCS reduction

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qt.

>>23537173
>half of stealth is having a stealthy shape

correct, but that shape needs to be based on the physics of how radar waves bounce and not how US planes look.

also the gains made by properly utilizing that "half" of stealth can be lost if the RAM doesnt properly absorb, or even reflects radar better than standard material

>>23540357
Then you're saying they can't win.

>>23536454

>by the time this plane actually reaches IOC, the US will be fielding its Sixth gen fighter

This is why you dont base your military on copies folks. While you are too busy trying to copy current gen, the guy you are copying is busy making the next gen.

A formula for staying 2nd best if i ever saw one

>>23547015
ORIGUNUL CARACTOR!

>>23547960
DONUT STEAL PLS. U PAY ROYALTES LOCKHEED! RAWR RWAR

>>23541616

Welp, if it says 4th gen it must be 4th gen, and I ain't buying no shitty last gen fighter!

>>some countries won't fuck with China like that.

>>23547838

They managed to close a 30 year gap in ten years. They also have no intention of being number 1 because thats expensive

>>23548123
>They managed to close a 30 year gap in ten years.

They were no where near 30 years behind 10 years ago, and they are no where near "caught up". They are still over 10 years behind, even more if the J-20 turns out how its looking (underpowered, huge, underarmed)

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>>23547838
China's researching 6th gen fighters as well.

They do not bloat it out like the US does for domestic propaganda purposes, but there are tons of Chinese research papers about that topic.

>>23548178

China is researching 6th gen like Europe researched 5th, so far.

>They do not bloat it out like the US does for domestic propaganda purposes.

Lel WHAT?

> but there are tons of Chinese research papers about that topic.

There are tons of Chinese research papers on alot of shit, does not make it credible.

>>23548200
Tons of research papers indicated China tested hypersonic near space glide weapons years ago.

And what happened?

Pentagon confirmed the WU-14 Hypersonic Glide Weapon being tested twice last and this year.

And no, China's very very conservative and secretive with their military developments.

Till now, there's still no official confirmation about the existence of the J-20 programme from the PLA.

If the Chinese had a PR division like the Pentagon, we wouldnt need to look at grainy fucking pictures taken by a potato all the time.

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>>23548178

The biggest problem the Chinese would face in developing 6th gen is the same problem it faces with 5th gen; engines.

>>23539936
How to neutralize China's military:
1. Stop developing new technologies
2. Chicoms have nothing left to copy
3. ???
4. Profit!

>>23548242
As a Chinafag, I agree.

Please do!

>>23548221
>Tons of research papers indicated China tested hypersonic near space glide weapons years ago.

Again, there are alot of Chinese research papers about ALOT of bullshit.

http://www.economist.com/news/china/21586845-flawed-system-judging-research-leading-academic-fraud-looks-good-paper

>And no, China's very very conservative and secretive with their military developments.

The US is MUCH more secretive. There are things in active service that we didnt know about. Stealth hawk is a big one.

>Till now, there's still no official confirmation about the existence of the J-20 programme from the PLA.

Ok? This is par for the course for most countrys.

>If the Chinese had a PR division like the Pentagon, we wouldnt need to look at grainy fucking pictures taken by a potato all the time.

>>thinking the Chinese can keep a secret like the pentagon

>>23546985
>>23546990
>>23546993
>>23546999
>those shit-tier circular engine ducts

I simply don't get why people use words like "5th gen" and "6th gen" like they mean something.

>>23548295

Are you saying they are meaningless, if so, why?

>>23548262
>The US is MUCH more secretive. There are things in active service that we didnt know about. Stealth hawk is a big one.

Same applies to China as well. We also dont know their full array of weapon systems until they are testing them.

Like that one recent ASAT laser test, which was a destructive laser and not just a blinding laser as in 2004.

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/572071/20141107/china-anti-satellite-drone-pla-usa.htm

>China Conducts Anti-Satellite Tests With Laser Weaponry

>>23548308
They're made up words. Invented by a bureaucrat, if I recall correctly. They don't mean anything. They're now used in PR fashion: talking about buzzwords instead of capabilities, implying superiority where there's ambiguity and fog of war, etc.

>>23548322
>We also dont know their full array of weapon systems until they are testing them.

Thus, the Chinese are behind in secrecy, because in the US you dont know what weapons we have until AFTER we are USING THEM.

This is proved time and time again.

>anti sat laser

Article is vague as fuck.

>>23548343
>They're made up words. Invented by a bureaucrat, if I recall correctly. They don't mean anything.

You recall wrong, quite plainly.

There are generations in pretty much everything. Generations of tanks, airplanes, etc. It covers all nations. Its used internally and externally by everyone. (even when the metrics dont match)

Getting pointlessly mad at terminology is....pointless.

>>23548322
>>China Conducts Anti-Satellite Tests With Laser Weaponry

Mark my words, china will be the one to bar us from space for untold generations.

For this they deserve every god damn nuke the world has.

>>23548377
>There are generations in pretty much everything. Generations of tanks, airplanes, etc.
Not really. There's no solid definition what constitutes a generation. So it's made up and used in a way to support the opinion of someone, used as a substitute for real arguments.

>Getting pointlessly mad at terminology is....pointless.
I'd say suggesting nonexisting things is pointless.

>>23548476

Fuck off you stupid fucking faggot. Pieces of shit like you who say other people deserve to die need to fucking die first.

>being this much of a pathetic autist who gets made over hypothetical scenarios
>on a thai shadow puppet forum

lul

>>23548489
>Not really. There's no solid definition what constitutes a generation.

Of course not.

>So it's made up
No, each country uses its own metrics.

>used as a substitute for real arguments.

I have never seen this, unless you are saying a 2nd gen aircraft is somehow superior overall to a 5th gen.

>I'd say suggesting nonexisting things is pointless.

Now you are saying generations "dont exist". Certifiably wrong. Every major power has dictated generations.

You euro? You seem upset over terminology, needlessly.

>>23548476

If the world tries any shit with us we'll just rain nuclear on our enemies in similar fashion, and space travels going to be the least of your future generation's concerns

>>23548510

lol?

>hypothetical scenarios

Are you saying the kessler scenario is not realistic, and not being generally accepted as a possibility?

Im sorry, but a country thats willing to inhibit the entire human race's advancement, its only possible advancement, into the stars deserves to die.

Thats it.

I would suggest you commit suicide if you think that removing humans from space is a good idea.

>>23548545

If thats the case we should remove every other race who've left litter in space right?

Remove Russia Remove Us remove EU.

>muh space!

Fucking autist. Go back to jacking off over your HFY stories in /tg/

>>23548532
>If the world tries any shit with us we'll just rain nuclear on our enemies in similar fashion

>implying the world does not have a ABM shield

>implying china does

Give it 10 years, AEGIS ashore, THAAD, and Sm-6 will make ICBM's a question mark, rather than a certainty.

>>23548551
>If thats the case we should remove every other race who've left litter in space right?

Oh no, china is not talking about "littering" space, they are talking about removing any and all sats in space, for CENTURIES, at the very least, and if left alone, basically forever.

Furthermore, both the US and the USSR has taken great pains to remove sats during their tests to create minimal debris.

China does not care. Thats pretty much the problem.

>>23548531
>No, each country uses its own metrics.
You imply that there are constitent definitions at least within countries. That already is wrong.

>unless you are saying a 2nd gen aircraft is somehow superior overall to a 5th gen.
If there was one point I made clear it was that I hold these terms to be meaningless. Therefore I cannot and will not say anything remotely like that.

>Now you are saying generations "dont exist". Certifiably wrong. Every major power has dictated generations.
You seem to have taken the wrong track, mate. The "nonexisting" refers to "getting mad".

>>23548589
>If there was one point I made clear it was that I hold these terms to be meaningless.

Oh, well thats basically the issue then. You can hold anything to be meaningless i guess. Does not make it any less meaningless in reality.

In other words: Super cool opinion. The rest of the world disagrees.

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>>23548579

And? the Asat weapon will be used as a last resort to make sure invaders have no comms or GPS.

Since there are those in the west who refuse to accept a peaceful and prosperous china like this fucker here >>23548476
then it will be our fucking duty, to ensure the children of those who sought to destroy us spend their short lives picking through the radioactive rubble of the ruined world we condemned them to, as they look up at night to find the culmination of their fore bearers work burn into the atmosphere.

The mandate of heaven wills it.

it just looks like a bigger raptor

>>23548601
>The rest of the world disagrees.
That's about the thing I mean when I talked about substitutes for arguments. It's like name-dropping Jesus or claiming that the whole country likes beer of the brand X. It's a marketing strategy that doesn't hold any substance whatsoever. Saying "the rest of the world disagrees" e.g. ignores countless critics of the generation concept and its various definitions. It's a trick that is supposed to pull the reader on one's side by claiming to be right through appeal to majority, with a non-sourced claim for said majority.

>>23548624
>implying even if you wanted to you could ruin the world.

You would die, you might fuck a few citys of your foe.

You will be the loser in the end.

Some semblance of america would survive. The strike on china would remove any trace of your civilization.

To add, anti missle missle systems are pretty much right on the cusp of removing even the terminal advantage from ICBM's. SM-6, is already there.

You have no real missile shield.

let that sink in.

>>23548642
> ignores countless critics of the generation concept

Countless? Name 10.

I have the governments of china, russia, canada, US, UK, and thats just at a glance. I could go further.

When i said the "rest of the world" i pretty much meant it.

Your move.

>>23548642

>trying to bring specific cases into a discussion about general thoughts/ideas/etc.

http://rt.com/news/203879-china-fighter-russian-engines/
CHINA BTFO BY RUSSIA ONCE AGAIN

>>23548657

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Chinese_anti-ballistic_missile_test
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ballistic_missile#People.27s_Republic_of_China_.28P.R.C..29

You were saying?

>>23548688
Hes just being contrarian for no real reason.

Perhaps autistic? Unable to grasp generalizations?

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>>23548698

YOU BUY RUSSIAN ENGINE! VERY CHEAP AND RELIABLE YES?

>>23548701

Probably both. Also trying to muddy the waters to have something to fall back on when the rest of the argument doesn't go his way.

>>23548699
A shield, not a single missile. An actual system of radars and missiles able to adequately defend an area.

You have a few tests, we have a working system for battle groups. It would not (and we are with aegis ashore) be hard to extend this to landmasses.

>>23548712
Ahh yes, like if you say anything about generations he can ignore the argument at hand and strawman on how they "dont matter".

Clever, but transparent and ultimately ineffectual.

>>23548676
>Countless? Name 10.
Pretty much every competitor of Lockheed Martin for starters.

>I have the governments of china, russia, canada, US, UK
Really? Were can I read these countries' definitions?

>>23548743

Pretty much. Unfortunately, most younger people don't have argumentative skills to speak of and simply don't recognize such things. Hell, I would argue most people that use the technique doesn't realize that's what they're doing.

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>>23548760
>most younger people don't have argumentative skills to speak of and simply don't recognize such things
That's probably the reason for argumentum ad populum: "the rest of the world disagrees"

>>23548781
kek'd

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>>23548781
>You both like nugget, /k/, and murder/k/ube.

>>23548755
>Pretty much every competitor of Lockheed Martin for starters.

Ok, so you are saying Boeing does not follow the generation trends (calling something next generation, etc)?

>>23548788
>That's probably the reason for argumentum ad populum: "the rest of the world disagrees"

Funny, as you did the same thing, but think yourself above it.

>>23548819

It isn't a fallacy when it's relevant to the argument at hand. Which it is in this case.


>>23548788

I've been running into that one a lot of late. It's both humorous and frustrating at the same time.

Also, people that can't even recognize that a "fallacy" actually isn't one depending on what is being discussed. Slippery slope being a prime example.

>>23548839
>It isn't a fallacy when it's relevant to the argument at hand

Translation: I can do it becuase i think im right.

You calling the critics "countless" is just the same as me saying "the rest of the world".

Difference is, i can name countries and company's that follow the trend, and you cant name even 5, much less the original 10

>>23548852

There is more than two people in this thread. I haven't even commented on the topic of the discussion, just the poorly executed arguments. So go fuck yourself, child.

>>23548876
Then why would you reply...

>It isn't a fallacy when it's relevant to the argument at hand

When the fallacy i was referencing WAS. Why defend somebody, especially when you are wrong?

>>23548819
Boeing does actually both, they criticize it and use it, once they realized that merketing term isn't going away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-generation_jet_fighter#Critics_and_alternative_definitions

Remember, it only popped up around the 90s. Some claim it was invented by the Russians in the mid-90s:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0182.shtml

Though I know of a guy who formulated generations in early 1990:
http://www.airpower.au.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj90/win90/1win90.htm
That's the bureaucrat I referred to earlier.

Before the 90s or, more specifically, before the F-22, there didn't seem to be fighter generations. Either nobody seemed to regard that concept as valid or discussing it was uninteresiting. Once Lockheed marketed it aggressively, it became a thing. But it still doesn't mean anything as there's no agreement as to what constitutes a generation.

>>23548900
but generations, especially to tanks, have existed far longer. Its not just a fighter term, its a general term.

>>23548852
>You calling the critics "countless" is just the same as me saying "the rest of the world".
If you claim I'm the only one who holds the opinion that fighter generations is a meaningless term, then it's a valid counterargument to show just one other critic. And of course they are countless, meaning it's impossible to count them or name them all. I'd have to search the whole internet and would still not find all of them.

>>23548899

It appears one of you isn't being consistent in your posting style which, for some one not really following the post chain is annoying at best (possibly samefagging going on). Regardless, it seems you cannot appreciate nuance which is what I and the other anon was speaking on. Waste your time arguing with him, not me.

>>23548624
this.

China's rise doesnt threaten the US in their existence or economic survival any bit, but only threatens her far-away hegemony to police places and regions on earth where they do not even belong in.

In fact, China already offered to the US to split the Pacific in two spheres of influences and build a new great power relationship of equality and coexistence.
But the US only answered with containment and aggression.

Remember; China never pushed their SCS claims so strong before the US seeks to back the Japanese on everything they want to do vis a vis the Diaoyu.

China really is liek Zero One in Animatrix, wanting co-existence with the humans, but only getting hatred and containment in return. Wouldnt be surprising if China had a Samson Doctrine for this as well.

>>23548966
>I'd have to search the whole internet and would still not find all of them.

that does not mean they are without count, i.e. countless. You are still wrong. Even if it was every human, its still countable.

>Translation: I can do it becuase i think im right.

Dont throw stones if you live in a glass house

>>23548912
Maybe. But does that term mean anything? Is there a generally accepted definition? Or does everybody use their own to support their own opinion?

>>23548986
>In fact, China already offered to the US to split the Pacific in two spheres of influences and build a new great power relationship of equality and coexistence.

I.e. "let us bully our neighbors please, and threaten global trade for our own benefit".

No. Nope, you wont get away with being the bully, sorry china.

keep long standing international sea lanes open, or get fucked

>>23536454
It looks like a black F-35

>>23548989
>that does not mean they are without count, i.e. countless. You are still wrong. Even if it was every human, its still countable.
Who's the autist now? By any human standard it means precisely that.

>>23549031
No, see, if you want to play the autist game and not deal with colloquialisms, fine.

By stating your supporters as "countless" you committed the argumentum ad populum fallicy. You did.

Again, dont throw stones if you live in a glass house.

>>23548271
The circular engine ducts are more efficient and allow better (2 degree of freedom per nozzle) thrust vectoring.

F-22 was developed with early (1 degree of freedom per nozzle) thrust-vectoring technology.

>>23536454

>Badass looks
>2 Engine F-35 Copy Cat

/thread

>>23548986
If we weren't willing to divide the world between us and the infinitely culturally, militarily, and scientifically superior Soviets, why would we deign to divide it with you?

>>23549065
They're also fucking terrible for stealth

>>23548986
Guess what Chitard, your neighbors ask the US to help defend them because they don't want to be slaves to you cockroach humans.

>>23549462
Unless, of course, you make the entire engine have stealth coating on the internals.

>which the F-35 did

top kek

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>>23549415
Because Soviets actually rejected the western institutions and wanted to have a parrallel world where only their communism was allowed.

China initially didnt reject the West, but wanted cooperation and coexistence. China didnt challenge the western international institutions, until now when the USA is actively trying to push her out of most of them (like rejecting China's participation with the ISS, even if Europe invited them, or giving China dispropotionally less voting rights in the IMF and WTO).

Nowadays, China is truly fed up of being treated unfairly by the western institutions, that were founded to perpetuate western rule over the world. Which is why she now seeks to build parallel institutions, like the New Asian Development Bank, BRICS bank etc.

But still, China doesnt reject Capitalism per se. She just rejects American hegemony over the capitalist economy around the world, and would be content with an arrangement that would see China and the USA coexisting together as two economic centers of the world. And not one, where China is merely a larger Japan to the USA, a junior partner without their own sovereignity and having her economy being dictated by US multi-nationals.

>>23549485
Mexico and Latin America surely also didnt want to live under US hegemony before the Monroe Doctrine kicked in. They would rather invite European Powers to balance American growing hegemony.

Problem is just, America fucked them up in a war and kicked the European Powers out of the American continent by force.

China was just not as fast and as ruthless as you.

>>23549561
>China initially didnt reject the West, but wanted cooperation and coexistence

False, you wanted the west out of your corner of the world so you can rule it like madmen, cut off international trade routes and otherwise fuck with japan because you hate japan immensely.

No. Watch Vietnam swallow its pride and ask for more US assistance to prevent them from becoming China Proxy State Z301. Watch it happen.

>>23549706
That was the natural reaction after the US declared her Middle Eastern adventures to be over, and diverted their attention to China, beginning with a similiarily stupid containment strategy which has also driven Russia towards China via unneeded and unnecessary provocations, such as missile defense shields and supporting color revolutions.

China and the USA are now locked in a Great Power conflict. This isnt wrong.

But how it began should be clear. China wasnt the one who started it. China lived well for so long without needing to raise the SCS or the Diaoyu/Senkaku issue - it was the USA who began to use all the asian nations as proxies to contain China and spoke openly about cutting China off her maritime oil line by chocking off the Malacca strait.
AirSea Battle and The War On China also was conceptualized far before China even began with her maritime provocations or even began to modernize and expand her navy.

The US already fell in the Thucydides Trap when China stopped being economically shit and began to grow stronger, hence initiating a Security Dilemma.

>>23549561
>become aggressive toward every nation in the region
>try to take their territory
>they tell you to fuck off
>US backs them up
>wahhh lev china alone pig dog america

fuck off

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>>23549825
They became aggressive after the US already began to stirr shit up against them.

China even had annual military excercises with Vietnam and the Philippines before all the shit started, and gave weapons, money and training to Philippine troops to combat the Maoist insurgency in their jungles. This wasnt so far back.