What is the quietest, sneakiest gun to fire?
I've heard that silenced semi-auto handguns are, in truth, actually quite loud (because of the sound of the action as it is cycling the rounds). What do you think about exotic weaponry in this regard, like the soviet PSS pistol and its bizarre silent ammunition? Or even something like a pistol-crossbow?
Also, what is the *best* silenced-firearm, in your opinion? As in, what do you think is the quietest gun to also have a great balance of accuracy, firepower, range, reliability and/or whatever else you deem important qualities for such a gun to have?
>De Lisle Carbine
If they were so quiet then why were only 129 of these guns built?
because they were for british commando units? replica's are being made all the time too man. fuck they even had the option to come with a velvet lined box to catch the spent brass.
how does my gunfu compare to this carbine you speak of?
yeah sry I didnt see that message while I was posting that. Can you get generic velvet boxes like that for catching the brass from more common types of silenced automatics? And are there any kind of kits you can get to modify your gun's action to make it quieter?
Whats wrong with the silenced ammo-types, like the bullets fired by the PSS pistol? Why did no one ever end up using those?
Quietest gun I have seen was a professional Integral job ( not sure which company ) on a 10/22. With subsonic ammo it was pretty much just the sound of the action and the impact of the bullet.
Same guy had a registered full auto ar with a ciner 22 upper and internal suppressor. It was not as quiet, but still pretty much like the movies.
I shot a bunch of supressed subguns too and that was. Well. Kinda loud.
>have nagant revolver
>kind of want to make it suppressed for sneeki breeki
>sell it because dating girl
>it was a 1927 Tula anyway, couldn't thread that one
>now want to get one again to make it sneeki breeki
>realize MN is anti-suppressor
>my state wont let me sneeki breeki
in my experience, all types of air rifles tend to make a loud snap when they are fired
Though I have never seen an air rifle that was designed to be extra quiet. I guess they are considered "silent" enough already
the Girandoni Air Rifle was only as loud as a modern big bore air rifle, and could fire rifled minie balls at lethal velocities up to 30 times before needing more air. And this was in 1778, when everyone else was using shitty black-powder unrifled muskets that took a minute to reload.
>Because people prefer bullets that can kill.
bury the muzzle into your targets back and thumb the trigger, designed to assasinate targets in a crowd.
worn on a piece of bungee cord up your sleeve so once used you let go of the gun it disappears up your sleeve.
>Can you get generic velvet boxes like that for catching the brass from more common types of silenced automatics?
There are brass catchers on the market. I don't know about velvet lined though.
>And are there any kind of kits you can get to modify your gun's action to make it quieter?
I've only seen one before. JP Silent Captured Recoil spring for AR-15s.
I want a revolver like the GRAD .22 knifegun. Just a 1-handed thumb-press revolver all packed into a suppressor.
Expensive and difficult to make.
Low power and range.
ATF has ruled that silenced cartridges are legally silencers themselves, so each and every one cartridge would require it's individual registration and tax stamp, like Destructive Device munitions.
>Expensive and difficult to make.
Lol what, it's soviet gun. Cartridge is AK's 7.62x39 case with sealing cap and gas as proppelant.
>Low power and range.
Wrong. It is accurate as 9mm pistoles at 25 meters. Also at this distance full steel bullet penetrates 2mm of steel. I don't know how it works at farther distances, but why you need engage enemy with a pistol at 50 meters, especially when you are KGB agent or operator of special force unit.
Don't forget it is special purpose weapon, very light and compact, don't need silencer and has minimal chanse of malfunction unlike standart pistoles with underpowered cartridges for shooting with silencer.
That isn't a priority when the gun, even suppressed, makes at least 85dB (which is the best you can get with a .22 btw).
Also for most applications it is better to use supersonic ammo as it makes it harder for the opponent to pinpoint your location even though it makes a nice 140dB sound.
bolt action 44 mag/spc with low power loads going through a can on the end is about as close to movie quiet as someone can get for under $1K.
Stens were much more accessible and affordable while doing the same job.
Neat, haven't heard of this before. It's like the SP-4 ammo.
>VSS is quietest
Nobody said this, dumbass. The only person who mentioned the VSS specifically quoted OP's post about
>have a great balance of accuracy, firepower, range, reliability
The DeLisle suffers from being a 45 caliber gun, as such it's stuck around 120-125dB.
You can push a 300blk semiauto to 117-121dB if you wet the can and shoot subsonics (spoilers, don't shoot supers wet).
A .22lr bolt gun with a reputable can, wet, will easily be in the teens, and if you toss in some bullshit like aguila you won't hear fucking anything. Mostly because those don't use powder, but still. Might get a baffle strike on those, who knows.
>I've heard that silenced semi-auto handguns are, in truth, actually quite loud (because of the sound of the action as it is cycling the rounds).
If its striker fired you can just put your thumb or palm of your off hand behind the slide. This will actually give a nastier contact wound since the gas used to cycle the action is instead vented out the muzzle.
Subsequent official firing tests recorded the De Lisle produced 85.5 dB of noise when fired. As a comparison, modern testing on a selection of handguns has shown that they produce 156 to 168 dB when firing without a suppressor, and 117 to 140 dB when firing with one fitted. The de Lisle's quietness was found to be comparable to the British Welrod pistol.
>Subsequent official firing tests recorded the De Lisle produced 85.5 dB of noise when fired.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA IT'S THIS RETARD AGAIN
Hey, kid, look up that report. See if you can find how loud they rated the 9mm at.
Spoilers, it was hearing safe :-)
Modern equipment has rated the delisle at 120-125, varying on ammo used. I suggest you do more research next time.
GOCRA and others are working on it and they believe they'll have enough people on board and voting within 5 years to get them legalized
That's why you do what I do and make adapters for oil filters and say fug da bolis :DDDDD
Or a very effective supressor.
The primary feature of the De Lisle was its extremely effective suppressor, which made it very quiet in action. So quiet, in fact, that working the bolt to chamber the next round makes a louder noise than firing a round.
Confirmed for not actually reading the shit you cited.
Not a 9mm delisle, retard. Just a regular old 9mm sten. That rating is bunk, sorry to educate you.
Your fucking face when 147grain 9x19 is perfectly good and usually subsonic by nature (as in not loaded down). Also it is audibly quieter because of the smaller volume of gasses and smaller bullet diameter.
Looks like you still haven't read it, sport.
They tested both a regular unsuppressed sten (125dB) and a suppressed sten (89dB).
I suppose you want to cite sten guns as the quietest semiauto ever invented now too, huh?
>A light subsonic load could hit 120
Benefit of the doubt revoked, you are genuinely retarded.
Imagine this: a sort of weapon where compressed gas, perhaps in a cylinder, rapidly pushed a stout blade out, and this blade would be attached to a spring to pull it back in once the system is opened to outside pressure. The whole system of blade and gas chamber would be inside of another gas cylinder, with most of the gas evacuated. This evacuated chamber would serve in lowering recoil. There could be a mechanism which both compressed and evacuated both chambers, allowing it to be hand-charged.
For anyone who doesn't know, the decibel scale is logarithmic. Halving the sound pressure decreases the dB level by 3 dB. Doubling it increases by 3 dB. Doubling the distance from the source is a 6 dB change.