Flight thread

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Because I like to fly

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I also like landing, sometimes

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But I mostly like flying

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Things can get dicey

>>23268811

that control tower looks comfy as fuck

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But the payoff is worth it

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>>23268856
This was even comfier

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Getting too comfy can lead to mistakes, however

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>>23268878
But mistakes aren't necessarily death sentences

>Playing with tags on

Gigacasual

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Sometimes I like to enforce traffic laws with extreme prejudice

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>>23268903
I never dug too deep into the options.

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Oh, and you want casual? You ain't seen nothin' yet! Look at me here!

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This guy's had better days.

Also, AH-64 module when?

What game is this? DSC or Lock On?

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>>23268811
Do you own any other modules than the Huey?
>two MiGs have sexual intercourse on a runway

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I don't know if you've noticed, but I love the UH-1. I've tried the fixed-wings that came with, but they're just not as exiting to fly as the rotary wings for me.

>>23268987
Fuck, I forgot what the picture was of.
>an A-10 takes a MiG-29 from behind

>>23268975
Just got canceled buddy. Sorry about that, cobra soon though.

>>23268987
I own every module and can fly everything. Being able to rampstart everything is kind of a cosy feel, mig21 and Huey are tied for my fave modules though

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>>23268998
I love rotor wings too, my friend.

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F/A-18 Soon®
Western Attack Helicopters Soon®
Multiseat Aircraft Soon®

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>>23268987
Not yet, I love the shit out of the Huey and haven't gotten bored enough to drop cash on another module, yet, and I got bored with the planes that came free with the download pretty quickly. I'm thinking about getting the Mi-8 and Black Shark modules, to be sure.

>>23268982
DCS. It's an amazing simulator, but it's got some kinks that come part and parcel with such huge and complex games. For example, I landed on this boat and hung out there for a few seconds, when suddenly it decided it wanted to burst into flames.

>>23269031
When the fuck are they going to add playable gunners/copilots for the Huey in MP?

Multi-seat, multi-helicopter missions is the only reason I bought that module, and it's been "soon" for the last year.

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>>23269020
The Huey feels like it wants to fall out of the sky when you first get going and it's slow as hell, but it's built like a brick house and is also a fucking ninja.

>Did you miss me?
>I GUESS NOT!
>Missile between the rotor blades. Sexy.

I also had a missile bounce off of me once without detonating. It was wild as hell.

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>>23269069
Nothing's quite like losing the tail half of your helicopter to a TOW missile, trimming it out, then proceeding to land.

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>>23269002
Soon©

Also, that fucking sucks. Though, to be fair, there's a small dev team cracking away at an AH-64 sim called Combat Helo, so there may be hope, yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF9DRpkRr5k

I don't know if I'm sold on it or not, but it has to be better than Apache: Sperglord Assault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqOwJ2HbkvU

>>23269097
That's fucking amazing.

>>23269097
>Hit by a TOW

que

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>>23269097
That's a fucking durable bird. I almost slammed into the ground thanks to a couple of piddly AK rounds, here.

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>>23269132
I'm assuming he was hugging the ground and playing fuck-fuck games with hapless humvees when one of them got a lucky shot. Either that or he misspoke and meant "Stinger"

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People act like carrier landings are super hard, but I did one without any trouble. Naval aviators are just whiners.

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Hovering, on the other hand, is quite hard.

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>>23269189
Is that a Hellfire?

>Why are you shooting at me?! I don't want to sink your destroyer, I just wanna look at it!

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>>23269206
Another angle

Ayyy, so I wanna into military flying, and as far as I've seen dcs is the best, but which one do I buy and why the fuck is there like 15 dlc's? Is there a way to buy a full pack on steam? Which base game do I get?
Captcha:ECONOMIC nitfle

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>>23269206

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Apparently flight sims like DCS are pretty good reference points for actual piloting. I'm trying to go to flight school for the Army to fly Blackhawks, and when I mentioned I played flight sims they told me that gave me an edge over the other candidates going in. I also drill with a guy who flies Cessnas, and he told me that they're actually incredibly true to life when I told him that. We went on to have an hour-long conversation about flying, and I was able to keep up with him surprisingly well with only vidya experience.

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>>23269251
That's fucking nuts.

>>23269233
DCS World is the base game, and like I said it's apparently a good enough sim that you can talk flying with actual pilots and keep up with them.

>>23269280
What does the base game come with aircraft wise and why are the dlc's so god damn expensive, what do they add?

>>23269332
Just a TF-51 and an Su-25. You have to buy modules to get other aircraft, which isn't as bad as you would think, considering how masterfully crafted each individual aircraft is.

>>23269516
Is there an f-18 expansion/mod? Which ones are best/should I buy to dick around with jets? And while we're on the topic, what's the best flight stick system out there, preferably one with rudder pedals and a throttle stick? Please try to keep i under 3-400$ canadian.

>>23269332
Su-25 Frogfoot (non-clickable cockpit, relatively arcade flight model (although it may have been updated already, I know they're updating it soon if they haven't already.) Recently had 6DOF added to it.

TF-51D, unarmed Mustang variant, clickable cockpit, 6 DOF, advanced flight model. Basically a 'proper' module, although lacking armament.

You have to understand how much time and effort goes into these modules, and just how much depth they have. Buying the A-10C, for example, will take weeks/months to master, so it's not like you'll be churning through the modules and be finished in a week.

If I was to recommend modules, it would be A-10C for fixed wing and Huey for rotary. F15C is the only 'modern' fighter aircraft, but is lacking a clickable cockpit and advanced controls, so it's not really at the same level as the other modules, but is still worth picking up (especially as part of FC3, which nets you half a dozen aircraft)

>>23269543
F-18 is being worked on.

What era jets? F86 and Mig-21 have just been released, fully fledged modules with clickable cockpits, etc.

If you want modern jets (I get the impression you're referring to modern fighters by 'jets', perhaps incorrectly), you're stuck with the A-10C, or FC3 and non-clickable cockpits.

Best stick out there is the HOTAS TM Warthog with whatever rudder set up you like (CH Products make an affordable pair). Avoid anything Saitek.

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>>23269543
There's supposed to be an F-18 one in the works. If you're looking for fixed-wing fastmovers I strongly recommend the Flaming Cliffs DLC.

As for flight sticks, it depends on how much you're willing to spend. I have a $30 Logitech that I use as cyclic, collective and pedals all in one. It's not ideal, but I've learned how to use it and can outfly most people I meet with it. Put down $300 and you can get the THRUSTMASTER WALLET-FUCKER EXTREME, but that's a little exorbitant

>>23269589
Ok, but the only price I can find for the warthog is something like 500 bucks on amazon... where the hell can I get one for a reasonable price, or is that it?

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>>23269616
>Cougar

Ignore the dust, my desk is a magnet.

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>>23269620
You don't need to put down anywhere near that amount of money. I've got this. It's a $30 joystick that has a twisty feature for the rudder pedals and a little throttle in the corner for the collective. I use it to style on bitches with $500 set ups.

>>23269647
I have a $30 logitech. Come at me, bro.

>>23269616
>>23269647
>>23269656
Anyone have testimonial for the quality of the hotas X or the cyborg fly 5?

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Also, more screenshots.

I wish there were more rotary-wing sims. The only other new one I can find that's even close to being a sim is Take On Helicopters, and it's wicked janky.

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>>23269699
...Aside from Commanche 4, which was rad. It wasn't even close to being a sim, but it was fucking rad.

>>23269656
This joystick is pretty based.

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>>23269687
>Cyborg

It's a Saitek product.

If you aren't going to get something like a TM Warthog or Cougar, just stick with either the 3d Pro or the Thrustmaster 16000M. I've had enough Saitek products that arrive either dead, or die within 2 weeks of extremely mild use, to know better that to recommend them.

No experience with the HOTAS X, but I've had a similar set up in the past (Black Widow?). It's really not very good. I'd just stick with the two cheap alternatives I mentioned.

>>23269670
Stay jelly.

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>>23269738
I am jelly
>tfw not enough disposable income to just throw at a $500 flight stick

Feels janky, man. Janky like ToH.

That Seattle map is pretty goddamn based, though.

>>23269728
It's worked well enough for me, so far

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I'm still waiting for a Blackhawk DLC module.

Or maybe an S-97 DLC, that would be rad.

>>23269770
Yeah, I'm in my last year of high school (fuck off with unerage b&, I'm 18), same situation as you. I'm probably gonna buy a 3dpro or a cougar, if I can find one.

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>>23269802
A Venom DLC would also be sweet.
>Take Huey
>Remove everything
>Add tons of new shit to make it basically a new helicopter
>Add rockets
>Give badass name
>???
>PROFIT

>>23269813
>Last year of high school
>Same situation

Not exactly, bro.

>>23269854
Meant same financial situation, I'm moving out next year if I get accepted to college, doing the least spending I can.

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Picture from my first MP flight, just a couple of days ago.

3 A-10Cs taking off from the same runway, everybody's first time. Nobody died, surprisingly.

My biggest wish for DCS is for them to fix the god damned thermal imaging. As it is now, it's just post-processing the original textures. Green tanks still blend in perfectly against a green background, whether they're active or not. It's even harder to see them because of the lower resolution, at least you can see them a lot of the time through the visible spectrum because you can see the jaggies/aliasing from the 3d object (such as a tank) compared to the completely static, 2d background map.

Hard to explain, but I guess if you've played DCS (A-10C, especially, since it's a TGP simulator 80% of the time), you probably understand.

>>23268998
Lewd

>>23269887
Which server you playing on? Looks comfy.

>>23269616
DCS F-18 is very soon, maybe end of the year

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>>23269887
One thing I am thankful for is the fact that they didn't model the dangers of Slav runways. Western runways are the subjects of constant FOD-walks to keep foreign objects out of engines, but from what I've seen Slavs don't seem to mind a bit of FOD.

>IS RUSSIAN
>CAN TAKE
>WESTERN JET PUNY
>PUTIN LAUGH AT PITIFUL F-15

All those little segments with grass growing between them don't exactly inspire confidence

Also, I'm pretty much out of DCS screenshots.

>>23269813

I would recommend the Saitek x52. It's the cheapest stick setup out that the can provide a HOTAS setup.

I'm aware they have a bad rep when it comes to construction quality, but mine has been working just fine.

Anyone know whats the timeline for release for the F-18 C or E? Seems like I've been hearing about those since forever and we've got the Mig-21, F-86, FW-190 in the meantime.

>>23269888
Whoops. Meant
>>23268987

>>23269161
I meant "TOW".
Bradley got a lucky shot.

>>23269898
I locally hosted.

>>23269887

I've only recently started learning the A-10C but coming from Falcon BMS there dosen't seem to be any issue with the TGP at all.

>>23269965

Shit like this happens to me too, like Hellfires from AH-64s hitting my Mig-29 at low alt, or AT-6s and even cannon and machine gun hits from tanks/apcs when I'm flying my A-10.

I swear, the AI is far too accurate with those weapons.

>>23269965
I'd say

>>23269982
Not particularly.

Why do you think gun-runs aren't really done anymore

>>23269972
>dosen't seem to be any issue with the TGP at all.

Come back when you've actually played it a decent amount, then.

TGP FLIR doesn't show thermals, it just shows (in laymans terms) massively contrasted versions of the textures. There's no heat map, men don't show up as warm, vehicles with active engines don't show up as warmer than the surrounding areas.

A dark green tank (read: every tank in DCS, since it's in Georgia) shows up as the exact same colour as the background (dark green, since it's in Georgia) through thermals, because it just increases the contrast. There's no actual heat or anything being calculated. Hot objects are more often than not, more difficult to spot through BHOT/WHOT than they are through the visible spectrum, because the thermal imaging is of a lower resolution yet doesn't make it any easier.

>>23269982
It's hilarious. I've had an M4 disable my engine, and a TOW not destroy my hydraulics despite taking out my tail entirely.

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Here's an example of what I mean, although it can get much worse than pic related.

The green terrain and the green tank show up as the same 'hotness' through FLIR, since it doesn't take into account any heat, just the colour of their regular textures (green in the case of the tank and the grass in this case).

Maybe not the biggest issue, but after tens of hours looking through a TGP, little things like this start to grate on you.

>Want to play IL-2
>Don't have a joystick and no stores here have cheap ones for sale
Playing it with M+KB is a challenge, but can be sort of rewarding. I wonder if it'd work with a controller?

>>23270076
>http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Extreme-Joystick-Silver-Black/dp/B00009OY9U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1413667735&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+3d+pro

>>23270036
That's horrendous, but who knows, maybe the Russians make their tanks out of glass, now.

>>23270076
Just get that $30 Logitech one I posted off of Amazon, or something. It's cheap and it works, and that's really all you need.

>>23270351
I had one of those and they work great.

I just bought a Warthog tho, and it's amazing.

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>>23270366
I don't have $500 to throw at a flight stick, so I'll stick to my Logitech

>tfw no more Sidewinders from M$

So do you absolutely need a stick to play these or can you get by with a keyboard

>>23270565
Technically speaking you can M&K it, but practicality demands a flight stick

>>23269786
Not him but I've had one since I bought FS2004 with it. After all these years of use there's only a bit of a deadzone issue where the stick is sensitive when centered.

>>23269039

>not giving the emergency fire drill component the respect it's due

It's only a joke until it happens to you. Always be prepared.

>>23269516

This is an actual realistic aircraft simulator with everything fleshed out, it's not like buying DLC cars for Saints Row or something.

>>23269566

Is the Huey clickable and I assume the module comes with tutorials? I don't really feel up to trial-and-erroring every bit of a fully-functional rotary bird.

>>23269656

I have this stick and the only real negative thing I can say about it is that for games like War Thunder I'd rather have physical pedals, but maybe that's just because WT's joystick controls suck ass.

>>23270863
I fucking loathe Saint's Row

>>23270873
Yes it is clickable
>does it include tutorials
http://books.google.com/books?id=h3k-AAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

>>23270931

SR2 was god-tier, SR3 sacrificed long-term playability for busting its load early with over-the-top stupidness (swinging a dildo bat can get old) and SR4 is a glorified expansion pack.

>>23270971
still sucked

>>23270863

>anything to do with Lock On
>realistic

Please stop, only true simulator modules are the ones with clickable cockpits and even those have their faults.

>>23270331
requesting the auto glass is invisible to flir post

>>23270817
I've been having that problem, too. It makes flying the Huey level a bit more difficult, and adds some extra wobble to your hover.

>>23271508
FLIR can't see through glass. I've tried. A window just looks like a gray blob, even if you can clearly see someone through it without the FLIR

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Who needs fighters?

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>>23270873
Yes, it's clickable.

All the modules come with several in-depth tutorials, with highlighted buttons on what to press, and a voice over walking you through it. They're pretty great, actually.

I think some of the FC3 tutorials, or maybe just the SU-25 freebie, are a low resolution video, they may have changed that. All the full modules have great tutorials, though.

Pic related, just got done flying a 2 man flight a couple of minutes ago.

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sup

>tfw still using old microsoft flightstick
Can someone reccomend me a nugget tier Flight Stick?

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>>23271756
i'm also flying the Mig21bis

>>23271768

>>23269656

Guys, I have a Logitech 3D pro and while I think it's a great stick, I firmly believe that the throttle is in a god awful place. It's hard to get to when you are doing maneuvers in fixed wing or trying to precisely balance collective and cyclic in helos. I can kind of move it with my wrist, but then I can't reach my weapon controls.

I keep it on the right side of me simply because that is where it's comfortable. It's not a huge issue for ArmA because I just use Q/Z as my throttle/collective, but in DCS and FSX it's just a pain in the ass.

Anyone have any recommendations for a cheap stand alone throttle?

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>>23269178
>People act like carrier landings are super hard, but I did one without any trouble. Naval aviators are just whiners.

judging from you pic youve probably only landed on the carrier
-during the day
- on a completely still deck
-during perfect weather
-on a computer sim

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>>23272141
>That feel when you have completed a combat mission with a SU-33, and then landed the jet in midnight with overcast and a mild side wind

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>>23270036
>button that says BRT +-
>can literally increase brrrrrrrt

>>23271557
There are joystick sensitivity/control curve options available. I've set my deadzone to at leat 15 and fiddled with the curves a bit. I get a smoother response now.

>>23269738
huh, I've used nothing but saitek, along with all my roommates and we have had no problems with it.

>>23271768
Dude, I loved the shit out of my force feedback microsoft joystick. It's a minor PITA to try and trim an aircraft without the use of feel.

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>>23272141


You forgot the part where I did it with a chopper, too.

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>>23271034
We're talking about DCS here, guy, not Lock On.

I remember getting a demo of the original Lock On back in the day with a PC Gamer magazine, goofing with it for a little while, and returning to Jane's F-15.

Oh, to be 13 and have the sweetest gaming rig ever, with a powerhouse Pentium II processor and badass Voodoo 5 chipset again.

>>23273232
FC3 is descended from Lock-On.

>>23273284
And it's in DCS

>>23273128

I never used that joystick. What does force feedback exactly do?

I always thought they used these fancy motors and cost thousands of dollars and only used for hardcore diy home cockpits.

>>23273294
Yes, but what he was saying is FC3 has very simple flight models.

>>23273334

Very simple avionics modeling maybe, but more and more FC3 planes are getting DCS-level flight modeling.

The F-15, A-10A, Su-25, and Su-25T already have it. The Su-27 is getting it in about a month (along with other upgrades such as a more realistic MFD)

>>23273334
I wouldn't know, I haven't tried it. I've only bought the UH-1 module, and I'm really only interested in other rotary-wing ones.

>>23273328
It rumbles like a Dualshock. He's simply saying it's hard to tell what an aircraft is doing in response to the trim you put in without some sort of physical feedback from the aircraft itself, and the old-school Force Feedback stick, which I should mention came packaged with the ever-excellent MechWarrior 3, offers that rumble.

>>23273424

>only bought the UH-1 module

Thats strange, if you're so interested in helicopters wouldn't you get the Ka-50 first? It's out longer which means its more heavily discounted and I assume because its a modern attack helicopter it has more features, like MFDs and guided missiles and such.

Idk, maybe I'm just a sucker for modern tech.

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>>23271797
Why do all those Russian aircraft look like they were cobbled together with reused pieces of aluminum? That thing looks like you need to hit the instrument panel with a hammer to start getting readings out of it.

It looks like an Ork plane.

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>>23273478
Goddamn image compression

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>>23268811
>Playing ArmA
>Not Playing Dayz

>>23273471
The UH-1 appealed to me more.

Also, I'm very likely to go to the US Army's flight school to learn how to fly Blackhawks, and the CW3 doing my paperwork said that flight sims were a good starting point to learn the basics, so I went with the closest thing to a Blackhawk I could find.

>>23273547
I think you got the wrong thread, guy.

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>>23270036

Negro,

The reason that the FLIR is giving you issues is you don't have it in White-Hot mode. I forget how to do it exactly, but once you set it to WHOT it gives you a more "thermal" type of view, as in pic related

>>23273578
Black hot shouldn't have that sort of problem, though. It's clearly a bug.

trackir: worth? should i stick to my trusty hat switch?

>>23273578

This. You set it using boatswtich up for WHOT and boatswitch down for BHOT while your TGP is SOI, I believe.

>>23273607
If I had $200 burning a hole in my pocket, I'd go for it.

Hell, for $1000 you could build an entire cockpit for all your flight simulating needs.

I enjoy eating, putting gas in my car, and not freezing to death, though.

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>>23269952
x52 is shit

>>23273607

So long as you're using disposable income and not like say, your rent or food money, then hell yes.

Playing DCS with a trackir vs just using a hat switch is like flying with mouse and keyboard vs an actual joystick, without a trackir it just feels so clumsy and you'll wonder how you ever did it before.

>>23273667
I wonder if Oculus will be as effective as TrackIR when it gets to consumer version.

>>23273601

except he doesn't have it in Black Hot mode, as you can see in his pic here >>23270036
It says "CCD" in the upper right of the MFD, and in my pic here>>23273578
you can see it says "WHOT"

what's the difference between the two? From page 322 of the DCS A-10C manual

>The targeting pod provides you the ability to view, track, or designate targets day or night. There are three live video modes: Charge Coupled Device (CCD) (similar to a TV display) and Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR) in both Black Hot and White Hot modes

So, gents, I found my old copy of Jane's F-15. Should I reinstall it and deal with the fuckery of getting an old game running on a new(ish) rig, or is it on Steam?

Also, does GOG.com offer builds of its games that run on new computers? I've never used GOG.com before, but if I can't get it running and it's not on Steam, I'd be willing to bet it was there.

>>23273715

As far as I can tell, Oculus rift has 1:1 head motion which means that in normal gameplay you'll get a sore neck from looking around JUST LIKE REAL PILOTS.

I think it'll be preferable to a trackir, but its also many times more expensive.

>>23273738
Ah. My only experience with a FLIR is a bulky-ass TWS I ostensibly carried around to mount on my 240, or to pull watch with. The thing is, if you want to mount it you need to zero it, and it eats about 8 AA batteries for every 30 minutes of use, so it's really not practical.

>>23273715
It would probably be better, but you would probably need to take out a loan and use your eternal soul as collateral to afford one.

>>23273738
Gotta love how they just HAVE to throw another acronym in there for just fucking "Normal" TV view.

>>23273778
>it eats about 8 AA batteries for every 30 minutes of use
holy fuck.

>>23273807
You can see why it never left my assault pack.

Another thing they don't cover in vidya is how much neckpain you get from extended NOD use, or the loss of depth perception they give you, for that matter.

I'm assuming pilot NODs are better in that regard.

At least I hope they are.

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>>23273836
SOON

Any poorfags who don't buy hotas walletfuckers have anything to say about saitek? Confirmed shit or decent stick that richfags don't like?

>>23273927
You'll hear both in this thread. For the rest of us, it's the Logitech 3D Pro Extreme

>>23273927

Saitek X52 is basically the most entry level HOTAS you can get. But they can be quite shoddy (I have a friend who swears by his X52 pro though, so results may vary).

If you can't even put down the $100, then just get the Logitech Extreme 3D pro, no fucking contest.

>>23273997
Yeah I'm probably gonna save muh shekels, fuck it, 3d pro for me.

>>23269656
So, this is confirmed to be the Flight Stick of the Proletariat, then?

Yes and no.

It would be a hell of a lot more fun if the FAA didn't have so many fucking rules and regulations.

I haven't flown in two years. I have the time, but I don't have the money. And I'm not current anymore and forgot a lot of ground school shit.

>>23273997
I'm currently using an X52Pro and love it, zero problems.

>>23274132
This has pretty much turned into a DCS thread, no idea whether it was intended to be, however. If you don't pilot a desk, you might as well fuck off at this point.

>>23274399
Will do.

>>23274415
Happy to talk to a fellow planefag though.

>>23274436
They're hard to find nowdays. The ones you do find are cocky as shit and think they're Maverick.

People shit on the gun community all the time, but the aviation community is just as bad sometimes.

Also, likewise.

>>23274471
Yeah, at this point in time I'm just an 18 year old grounded planefag with a dream, because pilot's licenses are fucking expensive, I used to be in air cadets, but it was overrun by cod kiddies and undisciplined degenerates whose parents forced them in, I only completed the first half of ground school, did 1 summer camp and was just a flight corporal, kinda wish I'd stayed in, but hardly have time what with school. Oh well, if I get accepted to the CEOTP program at seneca, I'll get my license there and be able to go into the RCAF, but as it is, I'm grounded and don't have the cash to change it.

>>23274471
>think they're Maverick.

I'm better than Maverick ever was

>>23274658
Don't worry NA, I'm sure you get twice the amount of cock as Maverick.

(JK you're my favorite trip)

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>>23274471
Fucking this

>Went to RAF Waddington airshow with my little Canon sx-260.
>Pick nice space at the front and center of the display area
>suddenly spotters, spotters everywhere
>they are all up in my shit, they want my perfect spot
>they are literally pushing into my space trying to get photos
> can't see shit, because their lenses are like five and a half miles long
> can hear them talking about how someone with my camera doesn't deserve his space
> still came first and third at a subsequent photo competition.

I hope they get sounded with a rusty pipe.
pic related, I took it that day.

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>>23273578
My bad, all the TGP images look exactly the same, since FLIR does absolutely nothing, so I picked the wrong one.

The reason your image has any contrast whatsoever is because the road is grey, and the car is a greenish colour, so ofcourse there's going to be contrast, like I've already explained in the previous post and you clearly ignored.

You aren't going to argue out of the fact that there are no heat maps in the files, the 'FLIR' is just post-processed images of the original textures.