QTDDTOT? QTDDTOT. Say a fireteam heads out from their premises on patrol, is at the beginning, mid, or towards the end of it and comes into contact. They kill all the bad gots, regroup, and all that. Do they then go and pick up any small arms and kit dropped by the bad-uns? And if you do find something can you then shoot it?
They throw them in a pile and thermite them if they have time. If they're in a hurry they might strip them and huck parts around, at a minimum take something important off a crew served. Fuck no you're not going to carry that shit back to your patrol base with the rest of the crap you have ti carry, which might include wounded and POWs. And you're certainly not going to be allowed to fire it where ever you stop because no one is going to risk you exposing your position because you have a gun fetish.
Also one really gives a fuck about small arms, I'm not going to risk sitting on a position that likely has every inch zeroed longer then I have to for two or three rifles.
anyone know where and when aluminum ak bayonets were produced?
Does /k/ have anything to do with this guy?
I recall the words "deagle" and "parkourdude" being associated with /k/ but i don't remeber in which way
Is it possible to make an effective weapon like Metro's Hellsing?
I can't decide what I want to buy next. I've had my Marlin 795 for quite a while. I chose .22lr so that I could teach myself basic marksmanship, trigger control, etc and I now want to move on to a different firearm.
I was thinking of either getting a handgun for CCW or an AR (most likely they M&P Sport) for home defense/SHTF/range toy.
Glock 19/Steyr M9A1
The AR would fulfill more uses for me but the handgun would offer protection on the road (I drive for a living and would feel safer with some protection that isn't a long ass rifle) and out in public.
How is this for baby's first AK?
~50 yards, slow fire (I guess that's what it's called, 1 shot every 2 or 3 seconds), sighting it in from a rest, shooting some kind of lacquered steel-cased ammo (white box, has a bunch of freemason symbols on the box, headstamp just says "7.62x39 13 (symbol that looks like a U mixed with an A), just the cheapest stuff I could find really)
The hole in the top left and the one in the bottom left are from staples where I had it attached to a tree
Yeah I was trying to adjust the front sight post
I just got it last week, and it turns out the way they shipped it, it was shooting like a foot and a half low at 50 yards
But, I'll accept it
At least it's hitting near POA now, instead of a foot and a half high
>mfw I picked up a pristine Tula SKS today for $300
One, I'm looking around at budget night vision monocs. Took a gander at some of the Bushnell models that seemed nice, but I've got no experience in these kinds of things. Any suggestions?
Second, what's a durable, compact, and powerful flashlight?
Say that I have at most $500 to spend between the two.
All matching #s, absolutely beautiful shape.
you have no idea how much I was wringing my hands in semitic glee.
They're so cooooool though.
>mfw some fudd called it a dragunov
Poorfag here, is buying one of these as a first pistol a good idea?
Reposting because I need answer
Does this look like a real tonker helmet? The dude insists it's real, but... Meh. Not sure. That strap as well as the lack of ear pads makes me doubt. I know the electronics are stripped out, I was informed and, quite frankly, couldn't care less.
We use this shit at work, and it does a damn good job. But while reading the label, it says you can use it for guns.
Does anyone do this?
Sounds good to me. The only thing holding me back is if it stains the bluing. Their website says it's safe, but to test it on a small spot first just in case. But this shit works better than WD-40 by a long shot in other applications.
What does /k/ use to break down their gun slides? I'm thinking about buying the Glock Disassembly Tool, but would a small punch do the same job without marring my glock?
I have used that for a couple seriously stuck cases. Works well, but I wouldn't use it for oiling or anything.
I'm dealing with the internals of the slide and don't want to impact the performance of the gun by using the wrong tools (i.e. scrapping the internal parts).
Besides, I like the way Glocks looks. Are you two having a bad day? I don't understand the hostility.
Britbong here, I'm pretty sure there's going to be an unofficial sharia law set up in my area soon and I need something to arm myself with.
If you're talking about internal parts, that's another story. I thought you were being a bitch, afraid to scratch the slide.
You're entitled to your opinion. I think Glock aesthetics fit the pistol as utilitarian and businesslike. It's not a shiny 1911 or Berreta, and it's not trying to be.
Hostility is a given, 4chan SOP. Not speaking for That Guy, he's a cheeky cunt, likely deliberately.
Can anyone give me some advice on sights for 10/22.
I hate the factory ones but I am a very new shooter and am also not very handy with tools.
How hard are tech sights to install?
How about inexpensive scopes instead?
All I have is a pack of punches from harbor freight (steel) and some hammers and screw drivers in terms of tools.
Will these work?
anyone know how much gas is produced by smokeless powder? i know there are ifferent powders, but maybe someone knows some examples? i found nothing concrete, but i think there has to be at least so much gas to fill the barrel, but if you have a suppressor, how much volume does the suppressor have to capture to really reduce the sound?
Find a general reaction for smokeless powder
Calculate moles in a charge
Calculate moles of gas that's going to produce
PV=nRT that mother for 1 Atm and 298K
You now have a ball park idea of how much gas a given charge is going to produce.
You could even measure the bore after you have an idea of the liters you're looking at and ideal gas law it again for the volume of the barrel to find an idea of the pressure.
Is a snub-nosed .357 a good idea?
Or does it just break my wrist and cover it in a fireball?
How do, say, the ballistics from a .357 out of a 2" barrel compare against a .38 out of a 6" barrel?
What is CAD? Canadian?
Probably not, I bought my Yugoslavian helmet for $25 USD with ear pads and radio hook ups.
Quick check on ebay will probably dig up a few cheaper options unless you specifically want the fur lined one which is somewhat harder to find.
In which case I would say $50 is about the most I would ever pay for one.
So what's a good 37mm flare launcher that will mount on a 20" heavy barreled Bushmaster?
I have my M203 handguard, now I need a cheap launcher, preferably one that can shoot parachute flares.
Is the decocker on the Sig 2022 kinda stinky for anyone?
Or is this normal for most decocker pistols
Yeah but that fucking bums me out. I guess it doesn't "need" to be smooth since I only need the decocker for keeping one chambered.
But still.. I'd feel like a dick returning the gun bc of something I should've paid more attention to while I was handling it in the shop..
not really but if I had to pick it would be wolf due to lack of consistency sometime they come w few bullets missing a primer
tula's fine I have shot 700rds of them thur my old dpms ate them all no jam of anykind and I ran her dirty
Should i trade my vz2008 kit with 5 mags and all the extras like bayonet and stuff for an sks-m with only 1 5 round mag?
Both in basically factory condition.
Everything is telling me I'm stupid for not doing it, what does /k think.
I'm getting a Walther PPX soon.
Serious question here: 9mm or .40S&W?
It'll be for home/road defense, CCW, and a SHTF handgun. I'm more comfortable shooting 9mm and have not shot .40 yet (but would undoubtedly practice multiple times a month to become proficient with either caliber).
Availability isn't an issue around me and the price isn't much higher for .40S&W. Thoughts
You know I think in a post apoc scenario(I know) I would have one guy in the squad that would carry next to nothing and would be the designated "looter"
M16A2, 600m on a point target, 800m on an area target, DRILL SERGEANT.
So I recently bought a 270 WSM rifle to use for hunting, and now I need to get a scope for it. I know absolute shit about scopes, so what should I be looking for and what would be your recommendations? M budget is about $200.
>buying any chode magnum rifle ever
Get a nikon prostaff.
Well, I WAS planning on getting a .270 winchester. It was at a gunshow, and the tag read .270 under caliber. Guess that will teach me to look at the receiver to verify it is in fact what I want.
Well, from what I've just recently read, it's actually a good round with a higher velocity (and a flatter trajectory) than regular .270 but also has the same bullet weight.
About the scope though, no fucking clue, sorry. Suck my dick?
How do I improve the sighting of my Henry001. Took it to range today for third time and for some reason I couldnt hit any of the flipping targets at 50 yards. (metla flippers)
I was able to hit the regular target I had set out but it was slighly off.
Should I put a scope on it? Should I remove front sight hood?
>$49 blemished NoDak Spud receivers, heat treated
How much does it normally cost to get an AK assembled by a smith?
Get a 500, 590, or Nova, modern Remington shit is just that.
Sights are a cunt hair away from being optional on almost any HD weapon. You should be using reflexive fire at those distances, that is using your body kinesthetics tuned by training to land center of mass shots by simply projecting your arms to a known position that will correlate to a center of mass shot.
Does anyone have an opinion of the Smiff n Wessin 442? I'm considering picking it up as a CC
In my experience, the parts that needs lube are anything the moves/slides in the bolt carrier. Cam pin, bolt wherever its rotataes inside the carrier, and firing pin.
The parts that seem to lock up the most tend to be the cam pin if the rifle is really, really dirty.
Doesn't hurt to lube up the buffer spring either.
Unless he had to drill and tap for the rear sight there is NOTHING difficult about that. Not that I'm suggesting drill and tap is difficult but it's a couple orders of magnitude above knocking the old front sight off and screwing the new one on a predrilled/tapped rail mount.
Why shouldn't I buy a UTS-15 for HD and fun/merriment?
I never see it talked about on /k/, and at the price it almost seems too good to be true.
Wait, is that seriously a jam in the picture I posted? I didn't even notice it when I downloaded it. It's from one of the company's press releases. If so, that's hilarious.
Does it have known problems with jamming?
Does /k/ own a Norinco Mak-90? I'm debating whether or not to sell one inherited by my dad (no sentimental value, he picked it up at a gunshow and rarely shot it)
What's your guys' general consensus on it?
Is there a dent? Somewhere down toward the bottom the steel is pushed in a bit?
If so, take the floor plate and spring out and stick a screwdriver up in that bitch and push that dent out.
I tried to take the spring and follower out but was met with some resistance, i reassembled it cause I didn't want to damage the spring. I'm not home at the moment so I can't post pics
>but was met with some resistance,
>i reassembled it cause I didn't want to damage the spring.
you won't. just don't stretch it out like a tard and you'll be alright.
if you do take it out, do so slowly and carefully so it doesn't SPROING! out on you and fly across the room. if I'm not mistaken the uncompressed spring is about twice as long as the mag.
Keep it I used to have one but do to unforseen circumstances had to sell it it was the best AK I ever had I wish I never had to let it go get a proper stock for it from irironwood
you dont need that, just use a slightly dull pocket knife, tennifer is tougher than you think... just make sure the knife isnt sharp, or the screwdriver doesnt have sharp edges.
the interals fall right out once you get that poly plate off the back.
no, 7.65 is hard to come by. Get a P64 or BHP 9mm/FEG off on aimsurplus.
diamond file. Get a clamp-on with guiderod if you want a perfect edge.
a large tube of vaseline brand vaseline. And pigs blood in a spray bottle, with both english and arab-squiggles translation on the bottle.
chiappa rhino 2" is a beast.
fuck that expensive shit. Get some 3 mag shingles off of ebay and cut the tabs off and use your own bungie cord. otherwise ill get you the name of the best-looking ones Ive found, just reply to my post.
whatever floats your boat. Id go older CHF wasr out of those three, Arsenal SAM7 if you want quality.
either return it, or have the gunsmith smooth it out while doing a trigger job on it.
If you get a malfunction with TulAmmo, make sure it didnt squib and you can see down the bore. Ive heard of a few squibs with TulAmmo. Use American Eagle if you want quality.
VZ2008 is shit, and very common. SKS-d, not so much. Just make sure it isnt a bubba weld-on shelf.
its a lot easier to stick a mag in a dump pouch than it is to stick it back into the pouch you pulled your fresh mag out of.
.40 Master Race!
doesnt that shit burn thru barrels? like <500 rounds?
use CLP, spray it all down. Ill find you the chart, just reply to my post and remind me, im a bit drunk.
get snapcaps faget. they are cheaper than firing pins, not to mention the dmg ur doing to the bolt
Benelli Nova with a tube extender. fuckin best/smoothest shotgun Ive ever owned. Ill actually never buy another shotty. no need ghostring either
if there is no dent on the outside, you need to take it apart and file the bottom 4 corners of the follower with a "V" angle (30deg) for about 1/4 inch up from the bottom.
.303 is a bitch to come by, and expensive as fuck. 762x54r is still in use by russia with PKM's, SVDs, etc. so itll be around much longer than that inbred trash.
Ill buy some flatback mags if u wanna sell them.
www uspalm com/products/soft-goods/soft-goods/pouches-and-accessory-kit-items/molle-pouches-and-shingles/uspalmdoublepouch.html
or some HSGI Taco's. Personally I find that $20+ for some pouches is fucktarded. Just buy some USGI surplus 3 mag shingles off of ebay for $2-3 and put on your own bungie cord. Thats what I did.
cant find the pic, but heres this
www ep tc/problems/25/12.html
ask in one of your milsurp threads, and i will look when im not shitfaced. I always lurk those.
Is this list of guns worth coming home from college for a gun bash
I don't like Aces except for the Christmas sales. I feel like they don't give a shit about me. Cashiers at minimum wage jobs have better training.
It takes two seconds to walk up to someone and ask if they need help finding anything.
And there's not much of an excuse to forgo a customer who has been standing around, not engaged by anyone, for someone who just walks up.
>what is google?
>what is googling Wikipedia?
I'll help: P, pressure, is the 1atm you're already given
V: volume, your unknown
n: number of moles
R: universal gas constant, .082
T: temperature in K
The rest? Magic.
Kraut. Space. Magic.
Oh shit, that sounds a long way from me, but it's not as far as it sounds.
I'll have to give it a look. I'm not in it for anything cool just yet. I don't have a lot of money, so, down to earth shit and prices that aren't jacked up are the name of my game.
It's worth the drive then. The older owners were fudds that jacked up prices, but someone bought it last year and its pretty awesome now. I live like a mile away so I go there all the time.
The owners are down to earth and they dont try and rip you off.
The nice thing about single use rockets, like for instance, the LAW; is that you can leave the tube behind after firing it, lowering weight and allowing VC scum to hang it in the trees with grenades inside it.
Well, you can shoot it then drop it, they're also considerable lighter than carrying around a reusable system like a Gustav, SMAW, or RPG. Also considerably cheaper to manufacture.
You can dump the used tubes. I'm going to compare it a lot to an RPG-7 which is what people tend to look at.
Plus prepackaged ammunition means that the warhead itself is protected from wear and that if you have it, its ready you fire and you won't be missing a component (compared to an RPG-7 where you need the launcher, a round, and a booster).
For something like an M72, it weighs 1/3 of what an unloaded RPG-7 launcher weighs. An AT-4 weighs slightly less than what an unloaded RPG-7 weighs. So weight wise it usually works out pretty good.
An RPG-7 can use 7V or OG-7 for light anti-armor or anti-personnel fighting, but that role is already pretty well served by under-slung grenade launchers and M72s (which as mentioned weigh 1/3 of what an RPG-7 launcher alone weighs). RPG-7 launcher can use things like tandum warhead 7VR rounds to tackle actual heavy armor, but that is a lot of extra weight and capabilitywise it isn't as good as a purposemade disposable launcher in terms of range or accuracy.
Thanks for an actual response.
I only ask because I'm modding Stranded 2, unfortunately the only metals seem to be iron and gold, and gold is kinda useless all things considered. Was wondering if it would be possible.
I bought a Remington 887 Nitro Mag Tactical a few months back, and I was wondering if anyone knows of any problems that occur with the 887? From what I understand, the Tactical doesn't have the problems that people have had with the standard length 887, and I attribute that to it being a later model. I just wanted a shotgun for HD that could mount a flashlight with rails and maybe an optic down the line and maybe the occasional fun with clay pigeons. Might even try hunting with it due to Ohio's no raifu allowed laws, but that's not a primary thing for me.
Is there any disadvantage to a revolver with an extra cartridge in the cylinder? Say there was a catastrophic bullet explosion or something, would a 6 round cylinder weather it better than a 7, or would it be FUBAR either way?
The reason I ask is because I want to try a 3 or 2.5" 686 as a "one gun" for a while and want to know whether I should spring for the extra bullet or not.
>why the fuck does nobody make new production, rifle length triangular handguards? I wanta retro build but not with cracked pieces of shit
>similarly, where the fuck do I find even cracked pieces of shit triangular guards
>i know the utas is shit, but is the ksg any good
don't know about the a1 handguards, but both bullpup shotguns have consistent quality complaints, even when the reviewer likes the overall design
thanks, might as well as go for 7 shots then
An extra round is an extra round. Might make the difference in a gunfight, might not. The cylinder (and therefore the gun) will be marginally heavier, but that's it. As far as having a KaBoom in a wheelgun, either way the gun is fucked.
Not too long ago someone posted emails or something from an ISIS defector who talked about crossing the border into turkey while being watched by Turkey's border guard.Does anyone have a link to this and does anyone know if the emails are real or not?
>making a huge fuss over how some anonymous writes
>writing like a retard yourself
CHAIRMAN NEVER CHANGE KAI-SHEK, /k/!
Not really an AR guy, but I want a 16" BBL with the traditional carry handle. My question is, what's a solid but affordable brand? Is there anything in the price range of, say, the Carbon-15, but with a carry handle, that isn't rubbish?
I watched the amazing Spiderman yesterday.
When Uncle Ben gets shot, doesnt the thief theoretically fire in self defense?
>thief is running on sidewalk towards Uncle Ben
>trips and falls, loses his gun that he had concealed before
>Uncle Ben attempts to grab gun, struggle ensues
>Uncle Ben get shot, thief flees
Uncle Ben did not observe any criminal actions commited by the thief. He only sees a man running and someone yelling 'stop this man!'. Since the thief never pulled out his gun but only lost it by accident, we can assume that he did not want to murder/shoot someone. So isnt Uncle Ben reaching for the guys gun something like assault?
What would you do if you tripped, lost your gun and some stranger would reach for it?
>Peter Parker runs away from home, goes to buy some snacks
>Uncle Ben goes out to look for him
>after buying snacks, Peter witnesses some guy taking the cash out the register but says nothing
>guy walks out, clerk notices, runs after him screaming 'stop that man! stop taht man!'
>thief starts running
At no point did the thief ever draw his weapon, he only lost it when he tripped and fell on the ground, right in front of Uncle Ben. Ben then proceeds to grab the guys gun, they struggle for it, a shot goes off. Guy takes off, Uncle Ben is bleeding out, Peter Parker is sad.
So the thief stole a bunch of cash (small convenience store register) and probably illegally (because NYC) carried and concealed a weapon. But the actual shooting, to me, seems justified self defense.
He technically is in a criminal activity. If the crime counts as robbery (the money was taken without force or implied threat, but some DAs get aggressive to try for felonies), it could count as felony murder.
>Legal deer hunting rifles are chambered for the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110 and .500 Smith & Wesson.
Are you a detective in the 1920s?
I don't understand why people want to be snowflakes. If you can hide it on your ankle, you can hide it on your waist
Man. Come on.
Since I don't want to buy a rifle in a straight wall cartridge right now, I'm limited to the shotgun, which was what my question was about.
Are there any fatal flaws in the newer models of Remington 887 Tactical?
This is more of a /out/ question but here goes anyway!
>Want to practice bushcraft somewhere.
>Be livin' in 'murica. Missouri.
>No camping experience what-so-ever.
>What should I look for when choosing a place where I can both practice bushcraft AND not get so far out into the sticks that I get myself killed?
How many shells have been put through it? I've only put about 20 through, since I haven't found a bulk amount of shells I liked. I fell in love with the armorlokt coating, rotating bolt, and capacity, and it has a perfect spot for a flashlight and optic.
So I realized today that I've been shitting on average two times a week for the last year or so. Is there a way to fix this? I always always feel heavy and bloated, and even though I eat a shit ton of fruits and drink a lot of water my shit is always really dry and hard and very rare.
I'll try both.
Well, other than the fruits and water, I mistly eat ramen noodles, rice, beans, and cornbread, with the occasional gyros or Denny's grand slam. Come to think of it, I haven't actually eaten any vegetables in three weeks other than the lettuce on my gyros sandwich the day before yesterday. Is that bad? Even if I take multivitamins?
Who makes a decent M65 repro?
I want to be Travis Bickle for halloween and keep it around for fall and possibly winter (I can get liners and stuff later).
No, the powder slowly offgasses, and if you have it stored in something like a sealed ammo can it will build up an explode.
That's why the military never stores ammo in ammo cans.
this is correct.
an ammo can should not be used to store ammo. what you what instead is a pine box lined with cotton balls or similar.
make sure you prop it up with a rock or something, too. that way the bottom will get some airflow.
...did the retard school let out early today?
Anyway, anon, those guys are faggots. An ammo can is fine, as long as you take the ammo out every once in a while to let it "air out", as it were. Probably once a week is good enough, but don't get lazy about it. Corroded primers are no bueno.
I shoot modern berdan primed ammo out of my moist nugget. How corrosive is it? Can I just run a boresnake down the brrel several times and be done or is it more complicated? also basic mosin maintenance help pls
what does "cleaning the fucker out" entail?
Neutralizing the salts in the the rifle, including the bolt face and firing pin with your preferred method and then, if you don't primarily use a bore cleaner that will neutralize the salts for that, use something to clean out the bore, like Hoppes, and if you really want to protect it, run a patch soaked in gun oil down the barrel to keep moisture out and bore protected. Also, you may want to clean off anything that may have got dirty in the shooting, like front sights and bayonet. Doesn't hurt to wipe a oily patch on the bolt and external metal.
I'm not sure if Hoppes does a good enough job of eliminating the salts, but 7.62x54r.net says it works.
Well, I hope that I didn't make a mistake. I love the aesthetics and the plastic. If it were wood, I'd fuss over everything about it if gets damaged. I don't have that connection to the plastic, though.
Sent back upper to get fixed by stag arms. They replaced front sight base because canted and now it looks like this.
Some people dip all metal parts in mineral spirits.
Some folks just take all metal parts and give them a hot bath in soapy boiling water then dry them off while wiping off cosmo.
For the stock I have heard multiple things. Sweating out cosmoline on hot day by placing it in a trash bag in the hot sun. I have also heard of people baking theier stock in oven or using a blowdrier or heat gun.
Its up to you in the end. Make sure to disassemble the bolt before giving it a bath so as to make sure all the nooks and crannies are stripped of cosmolene. Also the bore must be unobstructed.
completely disassemble the entire rifle, removing all wood parts and removing the shellac or wax finish. then bake them in an oven set to 130F for 8 hours
then oil and wax as appropriate.
same goes for the metal, but i would use boiling water in a trough instead. and and boil them for an hour, then grease and oil as normal.
Well, I soaked all the metal parts in mineral spirits and then scrubbed it with an old tooth brush and ran patches and bore brush through the barrel. Dry it off and then put a thin coat of oil with soaked patches and cotton swabs. For the stock, I put my car in a way that it faced the sun and placed the rifle on the dashboard on some rags and left it for the day, wiping it down occasionally.
If the original condition of the rifle matters to you, don't strip the finish. Only do that if it's a concern, or you just want to make it pretty. The wood of the rifle will be fine as long as it's stored in a non humid, non extreme temperature location. 30-50% humidity is good, and 50-90 is a decent temperature range.
Oh thats good I was worried my front sight would like fly off or some shit.
I always have something fuck up when I buy guns to the point where I normally only buy used loved ones now instead of new ones.
1) Why would they fly in random directions? The rounds go in whatever direction the shell is pointing when the fuse/primer/whatever is struck, which I can't imagine will ever be towards the shooter.
That's just it, the beehive is just a bunch of barrels. Imagine launching a double barrel shotgun at someone, and having it go off when it hits them
"The United States Military Specification referred to as MIL-L-63460, "Military Specification, Lubricant, Cleaner and Preservative for Weapons and Weapons Systems" (superseded by "MIL-PRF-63460, Performance Specification Lubricant, Cleaner And Preservative For Weapons And Weapons Systems" on August 5, 1985) covers a type of cleaner, lubricant, and preservative used for weapons and weapons systems."
TL;DR, yes, but as they are made to a set standard, just buy any mid-grade stuff. Check amazon reviews; anything less than 3 stars goes into the "do not buy" tin.
it is all trolling. a sealed spam can is the best possible way to store ammunition. millions of soviets agree.
2 questions about HD.
whats the most correct or law abiding way to deal with a home invader once youve confronted them at gunpoint and they comply? i heard stuff about a guy getting done for kidnapping a burglar due to holding him up in his house until police came. and is it also true that if a HD situation does occur, you can have your gun confiscated by police if they investigate? even if no charges come about they wont return it to you or something?
they'll take it as evidence. They'll also likely be complete assholes with it. I remember seeing a /k/ommando post pics of his gun after he got it back after a lengthy bit of paperwork. They "engraved" some item number on it. And "engraved" is too generous, it was more like scratched in. Don't know if they paid for repairs.
I would get photos of your HD and any carry guns just in case they try to pull similar shit with you. That way you can prove your gun wasn't scratched to shit before they took it.