Since some people on /k/ are Halo fans, I thought i'd ask this.
Realistically, do you think ODST's are feasible in a future military?
Obviously not right now, but at some point in the future.
>you will never drop with your bros with Ride of the Valkyries playing through your pods speakers
>You will never be an ODST
Feels bad man.
Man if I was rich i'd so buy a set of that armour.
Like I would commission some defense company to build me a working replica of that but without anything that might be considered illegal.
first you bomb the shit out of orbit from any installation like aa batteries and stuff, then you drop pods into that mess, right after you filled the atmosphere with decoys and chaff...
it's not brain surgery to figure out how it would work.
Not a great example, because the Starship Troopers (at least book wise) were nothing less than walking, super-maneuverable tanks of destruction. ODSTs are an order of magnitude more easy to kill and vulnerable then your trooper.
No because the entire premise behind them is a Giant waste of resources on suicide troops.
>So much time and money spent on training them to be the Best of the Best (Non-spartan human standards)
>Given the best gear available to a human
>Put into a drop pod the size of an SUV (its a one fucking one-use vehicle so the ship their stationed on will need to have a lot of extras)
>You either Die in the drop (because your pod malfunctioned)
>Or die in the landing zone because the UNSC doesn't use Air support for them.
It'll be technologically feasible, but not militarily feasible. If you're in a position of high orbit, why would you bother with dropping soldiers of all things? It's a solution looking for an incredible niche problem.
What are pre assault fires?
This nigga gets it >>23091198
>yfw ODSTs are just futuristic vidya paratroopers
>yfw the employment of modern airborne forces includes bombing the shit out of the area and taking out threats to the aircraft for up to an hour before the drop.
If I remember, their AI's were not real AI's but like digitized versions of people's minds or something. And they were prone to degredation and going bat shit sometimes. Not sure I'd want to put them in charge of the killdozers.
I think that's one of the probs made for the Halo ODST video game comercial which shows a young man volunteering for the military after the death of his father and ending up becomming a veteran.
Bungie AI canon has smart ai's often going rampant as they Call it. They don't necessarily go rogue, but they develop self awareness and feelings, basically becoming a Real person. Because it happens so fast they often become frustrated or angry and can do stupid and irrational things. Imagine the ship ai on your massive space cruiser suddenly hitting puberty. Another thing is also the smart ai's ability to learn that means they eventually die because they run out of storage space from all the things they learn and experience, an the new stuff starts over writing what's already there. That's why they do insane before they die.
The Pelican pretty much makes the drop pods pointless.
First of all, it can fly between space and atmospheres with no problem. This means it can directly bring troops from orbit on the surface and vis vera.
Being a futuristic VTOL it also does not require a runaway for start and landings, but can deploy troops easily in one spot.
Next to it's troopers it can also carry vehicles with it, up to light tanks. All that while being both quick and agile, well armored and reliable.
I think ODST would make more sense if they are doing halo (no pun meant) jumps from the upper atmosphere out of Pelicans, in order to clear landing zones for direct deployments.
In the end, the whole orbital jump thing is just to make them look more important, while also trying to explain why the Spartans are so fond of jumping from orbit on planets with nothing but a heat shield in front of them.
>Taking down a dropship means 20+ casualties against 1 drop.pod.
>Securing landing zones
>D-Day from space
Does /k/ even study military strategy?
There's always the inherent chance of AA even with pre assault fires. You can't completely avoid risk, the only way to do that is not not jump at all. It's about managing risk using the tools available while still being able to mass your forces and effectively neutralize the enemy. The way they do this with airborne assaults is with low drop altitudes and pre assault fires.
The closest I can think of to ODST's in today's military environment was some mention of a US Space Marine LEO Brigade or some shit they wanted to start up.
Where multiple cargo vessels would be launched into orbit, then use solid fuel boosters to orient, and transit, and finally they would either glide into a controlled belly landing, disgorging anything from infantry elements to Mechanized infantry, and or infantry elements with "light" armor support. I.E Antipersonell Humvees & an Abrams or two.
Or 2-3 Strykers.
It was some weird shit.
>yfw ODSTs are just futuristic vidya paratroopers
>mfw paratroopers haven't been used in the way you're referring to since ww2 and it was a gigantic clusterfuck that resulted in us never doing it again
feasible but ineffective
at the technology level you would need to reach to safely and swiftly relocate your operator to the planet's surface; there are significantly more effective, efficient, and destructive alternatives available for any applicable context
in short: no
it long: it could be done, but it isn't worth it
>paratroopers haven't been used in the way you're referring to since ww2
They were used in Vietnam. For example, the high-altitude, low-opening drop was designed to insert operators into places at night, instead of attracting a lot of attention with a helicopter insertion during the day.
What the green berets did in Vietnam is not like what you were describing earlier.
low key HALO jumps are not comparable to
>first you bomb the shit out of orbit from any installation like aa batteries and stuff, then you drop pods into that mess, right after you filled the atmosphere with decoys and chaff...
ODST are like modern day SOF. You don't throw SF or SEALs on a C-130 at a direct action target where there'd be AA and heavy defenses, that's retarded. Same For ODST s. They'd be used for raids, assassinations, or LRRPs and the like.
Yesh, Mobile Infantry are a whole other ballgame. Scythe through bugs on landing, then jump kilometers at a time, handing out nukes to hives like candy to children.
ODST themselves, as a concept, not too hard to envision. But the drop pods themselves are pure science fiction, no way that'd ever be efficient or logical.
In the future. Earth Federation is Now Starship trooper tier efficient and just.
Neckbeards like you and I are dragged off to training centres where
>Needles of micro machines are injected into our bodies transforming us into instant super soldiers by expelling all fat and growing muscle fibers to the bodies' max potential
>Flash training to make us Master Chief level of soldiers.
>Proceed to put us in power armour
>Get into droppod
>Land onto enemy territory
>Bugs got me.
Would you like to know more?
>navy seal type shit
bruh the frogmen weren't doing things like inserting into laos or cambodia to stir up some shit with the NVA
SOG recon teams were green berets and montagnards
>drop pods are easy to shoot down.
thank you anon, for proving to us that you are intelligent enough to shoot down an object that's already meant to fall to the earth like a rock.
with that stated, and in case nobody has pointed this out yet, the ODST being discussed stands for Orbital Drop Shock Troopers. this science fiction concept is quite literally a standard human soldier placed into a pod (possibly single or as a group) and dropped from space onto a potentially unsuspecting or pre-softened target. the descent is not meant to be slow by any means, rather it is generally assumed to be near terminal velocity due to a lack of engines pushing it forward. the presence of landing apparatus is decidedly left optional depending upon the setting and thoughtfulness of the writer.
it is for all effective purposes, a man-made meteorite with some extremely well trained soldiers strapped inside prepared to open a major can of whoop-ass upon whatever poor unprepared Xeno-forms happen to be waiting below.
the approach may eventually be considered practical when we are traveling to and conquering various planets and no longer really care about our soldiers surviving.
>Ideally, drop pods would also have decoys to confuse targeting radars like MIRVs
Agree; the ODST drop in "The Babysitter" short from Halo: Legends did this in a similar manner but instead of having decoys they did it in the middle of a meteor shower.
dude the military is already cringe worthy
>The Central Intelligence Agency began using SEALs in covert operations in early 1963. The SEALs were involved in the CIA sponsored Phoenix Program where it targeted key North Vietnamese Army personnel and Vietcong sympathizers for capture and assassination.
>but they still weren't as cool as the green berets
did UDTs get every available air asset in country when they called for it?
I kinda doubt that. Most missile based AA systems have... what, four to eight missiles? Even if you have a cluster of those launchers all together, you just don't have the capacity to shoot down more than 20 or 30 things at a time. Modern AA is designed to destroy dozens of aircraft, not hundreds.
Also, intercepting a drop pod is probably a lot more difficult than an aircraft. The challenge is going to be a lot closer to intercepting a ballistic missile. The standard doctrine for the Patriot Missile system is to fire four patriots at each ballistic missile, which usually results in a kill. That means that the military expects the kill probability to be something like 25%, or maybe like 33% but they fire an extra missile just to be sure. That means that in the drop pod scenario, where you have many more pods than missiles, you can expect your missiles to work about 33% of the time with current technology. If you had 100 incoming threats, you'd need 300 missiles (or 75 launchers) to deal with them all.
That seems a little unrealistic, plus you have to consider that three to four missiles is an extremely expensive way to kill a few guys in a pod.
I always hate scenes in movies and videogames that show people running through a hail of fire from all sides. If you've been put in the position of running through machine gun fire from three or more directions, you're already fucked beyond saving.
I guess the Covenant must have Stormtrooper-tier aim.
Paratroopers weren't used as a main assault force during Vietnam, or even an auxiliary force like they were used on D-Day.
We don't even do air-cavalry anymore. At some point people decided that it just doesn't make sense to attack from the air.
That's true for a modern AA system, but where drop pods would exist in any future scenario, such AA systems would also mature and be more accurate so there wouldn't be the same diminishing returns as we see today.
>mfw they are only slow because the space kebabs thought upgrading the magnetic field guided plasma stuff is an offense to the gods
>All their weapons are fully capable of going laser type like the forerunner weapons
I kinda doubt that. Missle tech is nearly 80 years old at this point.
The problem is that making one really fast projectile hit another really fast projectile is just hard. You start to run into fundamental physical limits.
ODSTs are the shit
If reinforcements are in that much of a dire need that they need to be shot in from orbit in pods and they'd survive impact and there is no other alternative then yeah it's feasible
>/k/ is assuming all ODST missions would involve a series of events just like in the game
What made the mission of Halo ODST so much of a clusterfuck was that the squad was split up because of a slipspace rupture.
This is not typical usage at all for ODST deployments, typically they're into an area that already has some kind of force, and if not, it's the most cost effective way of putting boots on the ground opposed to risking entire dropships.
They'd be a niche group instead of the catch-all special forces like they're portrayed in the halo universe.
>you'll never watch in awe as a Spartan II saves your entire squad from certain death from the xeno horde
>you'll never gasp with delight as he hands you a rocket launcher because he needs your shotgun
>you'll never call "shotgun!" and shoot rockets at gawking aliums while a crazy super soldier takes you on the joyride to end all joyrides
Why even go on?
Considering it's just a hunk of metal with basic electronics and a parachute, versus an advanced deep space and reentry capable Assault Dropship, I'd say you can make quite a few drop pods for the same price point as a single Gunship.
To successfully create a smart AI, a human brain is mapped as a model. Unfortunately this also destroys the original source. Dr Halsey had a flash clone brain produced as a model for Cortana. There had been noted concern that the imperfect nature of the clone process would result in increased instability in Cortana and lead to rampancy at a premature age.
Halo cannon is pretty fucking boss.