/k/omrades and of you play Warthunder?
Take vehicles from the greatest war and great flying simulation. Makes fucking amazing trailers as well.
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Arcade Battle Fags.
Try using the simulator battle.
IL2: Battle of Stalingrad is coming out soon.
yeah, warthunder is breddy rad. and the trailers are fucking sweet
>here, found it.
>the guy in the panther, realizing it is all over
I played it for a bit.
My laptop sucks and my two roommates download shit all the time so it was basically unplayable some days.
Also I hate games where you can buy your way to victory, so I quit playing it.
sure is... here is some more Paths of Hate
ITT: IL-2 Sturmovik hipsters get butthurt at Warthunder's popularity.
I like the balance it has between simulator like physics and still manages to keep some fun. Most ultra-realistic flightsims i find them slow paced. And looking at IL-2 gameplay i am severely underwhelmed.
way to completely chop up my sentences to make them fit your post faggot.
But that's what you said, anon.
The fact that you think IL2 is ultra-realistic shows how skewed your idea of a "simulator" is. War Thunder is only slightly better than Ace Combat when it comes to realism.
War Thunder's fun, but calling it a sim is pants on head retarded. Plus, its physics is shit.
i actually bought that special german sherman, wich was insanely overpowered for a few week until they nerfed the armor by 30% and cut the ROF in half. aaaand BR stays the same. I WANT MY FUCKING MONEY BACK
Any company that censors history (like blacking out swastika's, even fucking [REDACTING] Erich Hartmann's profile) is shady at best, and lacks a fucking spine.
The game is fun, but their over the top censorship and obvious RUSSIA STRONK bias is fucking annoying.
Based anon. Thank you for posting bestgame.
Dogfighting anything on your own in the Fishbed is very difficult, I get very few kills while flying solo. No, I'm not shit, because whenever I fly with a friend (said friend in picture) we kick ass. Neither of us have been shot down in combat in the Fishbed yet. Granted, we haven't engaged any F-15s yet, but still, we're a pretty killer team.
ho yes I'm so ready to pay 95€ for less than 30 planes from 2 nation only and only between 1942 to 1943 and no ground vehicles playable
yes I'm gona do that meanwhile war thunder is fucking FREE
white bomb in the kill decal
this shot is from the CBT btw
this game has flaw for sure but for a free game it's a dam good one and seeing recent dev posts it's seems it will go in the right direction now
I'm sorry i just can't stand all this hipster style hype around that over priced Bos
The burger bias is in the form of the one trick pony, the Bearcat. And that's it. Where all Yaks from 2-4 and all Tier 5 Russian jets are clearly superior to any other. The MiG-15s wipe the floor of any Sabre, Panther, and Meteor.
Even facing MiG-9s around the 6.3 BR range is fucking insulting. I can't even fly my 109K4 without facing a handful of those over the course of a half dozen games. Not to mention you can't even effectively use an ME262, since you're automatically tiered up against Korean war tier jets. It's just stupid.
i do agree on that first part, even though i fly UK
>hello there little tempest, lets play a pit of... oh, MiG9's. five of them
but the part with the 262, is more tricky. it really dosnt have an equal. it is clearly superior to the first gen jet fighters (P-80, Yak-15, meteor), but is is clearly inferior to the korean jets. such a plane is going to be really hard to balance
nope recent post from the devs said that the whole BR system will be changed
also 1.43 is holded to be sure it's as flawless as possible
game is not dead just going trough a bad phase
Like c'mon. It's a goddamn UFO pulling out energy out of it's ass. I remember event where Hellcats and liberators faced Shinden Kais. F6F had no problems keeping up.
Only thing stopping Hellcats from obliterating anything in it's tier are pilots. Allied teams tend to have no brain.
Two potatoes, actually. Hey man, it works, thats what matters.
- No drm, easily pirated or cheap to buy on gog
- 3rd party dynamic campaign generators
- Tons of theatres, maps and planes with all the expansions
- Patched for more than a decade, now includes native widescreen support and more
- Great mods that make the graphics much better and adds more planes including Korean war jets
- Easy to make your own skins, shows up for others in MP too
- An actual simulator, unlike warthunder
Better to have stable frames and potato graphics than fancy lighting and 20fps.
Beside the badgering from people, does anyone want to play the He 162 on RB? Just unlocked mine today
Well, my laptop is a super laptop. I wouldn't exactly recommend it, because my FPS averages in the 30s to 40s, sometimes below that if shit gets intense or if there's a number of MiG-21s.
Exactly my logic.
>It is my understanding that it is impossible to use your mouse as joystick in DCS. Can’t anyone create a mod that allows this?! I strongly insist that you shouldn’t have to buy equipment worth hundreds of dollars to enjoy a game, or simulator. I’ve played many, many other games where you fly aircraft with the mouse and never had any issues with it.
>Currently players must play with very challenging keyboard controls or go buy a joystick despite there being a great alternative. Because of what… blatant elitism or an evil scheme to sell joysticks?
>If DCS allowed mouse controls then it would instantly become that much more attractive to anyone who is new to flight sims and doesn’t already have a joystick they are happy with. If you don’t want one, if you can’t afford one, while you’re saving for one, if yours breaks, if your desktop is small… and why the hell not? Implementation should be easy.
>equipment worth hundreds of dollars
It actually does put you right in the fight but it's not the same shit as for example with spawning 8 tanks/planes/soldiers on each side of map and throwing them up against each other.
I hate arcade "sims" like WT and WoT, purely due to the shit community they create. Despite obvious unrealistic aspects for balance and fun, you end up with a shit community who thinks that something's qualities in a game have any bearing on how it actually performed in reality.
On top of that, it makes it impossible to search more obscure planes/tanks without running into a shitty thread from one of their forums.
yes for tank for tanks it's not available for some reason
I know. I just hate the communities of those games so much.
Wargaming actually did something right by allowing you to mute the game chat in WoT, making the game so much more bearable to play.
Wargaming in particular I don't like because they try to insist there's an element of "realism" to their games, when it's very clearly an arcade game. Thus, you get their full-retard community insisting that anything Wargaming says about the war is fact.
WT has a similar issue, thanks to its "simulator" mode (in reality just relaxed arcade elements).
Unless you're simulating the entire front, and all of the air, ground, and (most importantly) logistical operations it entails, you're not a simulator.
shame, the german sherman is a rare sight on the field. What is the point of flying american planes? I seem to work well with them when I boom and zoom, but they don't seem to be that outstanding.
yeah. pretty much why i usually stick to arcade. just some honest plane action. i know it is not a simulator, i know the FM in arcade is stupid and i know you cant do loops at low altitude in a medium bomber, but all that just dissappears after drowning an enemy La with 20mm cannonfire after a 2 min dogfight in a sexy, sexy spitfire Vc
I will admit they can take a beating that's for sure.
What do you run in T2? I'm in a P-400 with a P-39N-0 on the way.
So I'm not double posting, but does anyone remember a few weeks back when german tanks were getting racked much more than usual? I think it was patched but it was a rough time.
i run pretty much all american T2's. but not higher, i just dont have the time to grind them and the brittish jets. and yes, i know exactly what week you are talking about. only playable machine was the Pz III L/M
To this day I still hate Russian tanks. I refuse to believe they were as good as German tanks. Then again that would be like comparing German tanks to American. I mean that Firefly...
sherman and Pz 3L are the best if you just want to "bash ruskies". from there up, with he possible exeption of the tiger, things get worse. that said, i havent really played the TD's much. i will proboably start doing that soon
thing is Russian tank are bias mostly on the penetration of their gun, every shell and gun have 20MM more than their real statistic... That's why Panther and tiger get rekt by T34 from so far...
in arcade, yes. the KV1 is a fucking monster in arcade too (if you fight stug3 and pz3/4's)
but in simulator and realistic battles, their 57mm guns bounce off the tigers side even at point blank range.
>try out war thunder
>have stug with short 75mm
>flank a t-50
>put a shot square into it's ass
>t-50 still fine
>drive up to point blank range
>fire another 75mm shell into it's ass
>still doesn't hurt the tank
>t-50 turns it's turret around
>fire another shell, this time into the turret side, still nothing, went through just didn't hurt anything
>t-50 drives around me, because the stug cannot turn that fast
>fire one last shot into the side of the t-50, doesn't do anything
>t-50 fires one shot, driver dead, commander dead.
>next shot eliminates me
yeah, fuck that game so hard.
shot placement, over pen. Use HEAT next time. Firing into the "ass" is not going to help you. you either want to knock the crew out, or ammo rack if you want fast kills. This isn't WoT where the engine will share health with the rest of the tank.
All the shots went through, the game is nice enough to tell you, but i must have missed every crew member/module in the tank. Had more luck with the smaller, faster firing guns because if you miss a module by 1mm you have a quick follow up shot.
the best thing you can do is look up guides on where critical components and weak spots are. also learn your ammo so you know what to switch to. I've knocked out plenty of german crews because of that driver slit on the front.
I did historical for the good ol russkie vs germans. russians seemed to win most of them, mostly because every russian was driving a t-50. I also figured out that it uses your plane rank as well. Was a bad game when I had a short barreled stug fighting t-34's.
Me too man. This happened yesterday during the Kh-66 tutorial. Dat target fixation.
You figure out how to launch chaff/flares yet? I got that center ecm pod equipped, and flicked the on switch with dual flare drop, but nothing comes out.
>not going into close range with tiger against enemy armour.
>miss all the slaughter, miss all the fire
>planes performance tweaked with regards to balance rather than historical performance
>.50cal doing more damage than mk103 or mk108 30mm cannons
>match maker that sends me262s vs. Post war bear cats, migs and sabres
>only HE bombs for ground strike missions >no engine failure simulation
>no fatigue or stress simulation
>no realistic start up sequence
>no wind, no turbulences, no high altitude simulation, no ice or snow simulation
>no antromorphic controls
Try harder fucking pleb
>being this far in denial
Gaijin shill detected, also, shouldn't this really belong on the /vg/ thread for warthunder. Stalker is the only exception to that, and War Thunder aint no stalker.
Should have won the war tovarisch xaxaxa
I prefer Luftrausers
Also, are there any good helicopter games I can play on just a basic set up
you're half-right, the Russians metal fabrication was not as complex as the Germans, basically the Ruskies just used cast steel and everything was just "that'll do" to crank out as many tanks as possible, which inevitably led to shoddy workmanship.
Russian tanks were really good on paper, the 45mm gun comes to mind, but once it got through the communist beuracracy and shitty manufacturing techniques to cut corners the shells would shatter on impact, thus making them next to useless for penetration of even Pz3 hulls.
This isn't modeled in any videogame, which is why the Russian tanks always kick ass in any game you play (except for Barbarossa to Berlin) where none of these issues come into play.
German tanks were undoubtebly well made, but they spent so much time making them that by the time one Pz4, Stug, or Tiger was made, dozens of T-34s or Shermans were put together. (the Americans did have a nice production standard, they weren't quite as desperate as the Russians.) and yeah, putting a 17lber in a Sherman was a match made in heaven. Brits really can be genius, nobody likes to admit it because of how in-your-face they are about their sporadic brilliance, but when they do something right, man is it nice.
Why does everyone pretend that the Firefly was the only upgunned Sherman and that the Brits were geniuses for it?
The Americans had basically the exact same thing with the 76mm Sherman.
Because they had to reinvent the hydraulics that came with it, and no, the 76mm was not on the same level as the 17lbr. It was close, but not equal.
I do however, somewhat agree...
The Israelis also up-gunned their Shermans to compete with the enemy T-54/5s and called it the "Super Sherman" I think it just goes to show how versatile a platform the Sherman provided.
Yeah it was. Same as the 76mm Sherman.
"Overall, the 76mm M1 was comparable to the 17pdr. Performance was roughly equal with the 17pdr enjoying better penetration qualities, while the 76mm weapon was more accurate."
Right, it was a nice product they ended up with. I like the Firefly. I'm just saying that everyone pretends like the US Army were "hurrrr we stoopid, we use shit gun" and that the Brits were geniuses for doing it.
Late versions of the Sherman were pretty cool. Would sleep on the engine deck of/10
Well, maybe that's some of that in-your-face rubbing off on you as I said in my post.
I suppose it's just impressive they fit the 17lbr gun which wasn't designed for it into it.
The 76mm nobody cared about because it was specifically designed for it, they didn't make any cuts to the design or changes to it because it was pretty much new anyways, meanwhile the Tommies could put better use to the surplus of cannons they had, the Yanks were producing cannons specifically to fit onto tanks.
That's basically my own reasoning as to why the improvised gun is more celebrated, IDK TBH, and yeah I guess I agree.
Easy Eights are nothing to sneeze at, they'll fuck you up.
They were my favorite tank in Sudden strike, and in Men of War.
>you'll never be able to go back in time to put the 76mm on a Jumbo Sherman and wade through Stalin's hordes with Patton in the lead.
The German made the rookie mistake of dogfighting with a brit.
Biiiiiiig mistake Fritz.
I heard that basically only the noobs who were hungry for the kill would do that, meanwhile the vets would boom-n-zoom the brits, with the only counter the brits being able to do is just to turn into them, not being able to get their guns to bear just to close the amount of time the Germans had to like up a shot.
Fuck I love dogfight tactics, shit makes me rock hard.
I think it's more because they were more fanatical than their counterparts, take Michael Wittman as an example.
He refused to pull off the lines to train new tank crews, instead insisted on going to do battle with the enemy where he argued he'd be more useful.
One 17lb shell and a line of dead tanks later, and he's no-more.
the problem was, that the german - once entered the british airspace over london - got only 10 minutes to fight. After these 10 minutes, they wouldn't have had enough fuel to fly home.
They didn't gone into dogfights against spits as far as I know (because boom-n-zoom was already the established tactic against allied fighters) and main opponent of the messerschmidt was the hurricane.
the nazis tried to give the german airforce more time to fight with the me110, but this was an utter failure.
You gotta give credit where it's due, they conquered a shit load of modern European armies, if the Brits didn't have that Channel, they'd have been fucked as well.
The Ruskies only survived because of lend-lease, I mean, the incredible amount of progress they made, fighting through each army, through each yard of clay, you can't just pass that off as incompetence by their enemies, you gotta have some guts and some brains to pull that off.
They just didn't have the production to compete with the likes of the US and the Soviets, who had no qualms with destroying civilian targets.
Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for the Wehrmacht and associates. I more had the government in mind when I said that, ignoring clever people like Speer.
Oh right. Sorry I misread.
But no, the peace treaty was not holding fine. War was inevitable. It was only a question of when. Invading in June 1941 was the correct move. May 1940 would have been ideal but they had to deal with meddling France.
attack russia so late, starting in late juni instead of early april or late march.
avoid the yugo and greece campaign and got 3 more months before winter is coming, would have probably enough to take moscow and avoided these high climatic casualties during the sidge of leningrad (what basically means, winter-fit fortifications around the city).
Okay first of all, April and March means that Russia is mud. They cannot invade until May at the earliest. And they were scheduled to kick off in May, but were delayed by rain and having to clean up the Balkans.
But yes, they should have started a month sooner and would have been at the gates of Moscow a month earlier. That was a big mistake.
But to say that they should have launched in March/April shows that you don't know what you're talking about.
>He refused to pull off the lines to train new tank crews, instead insisted on going to do battle with the enemy where he argued he'd be more useful.
I think it's more because they didn't want to quit their comrad of war, I don't think lot of people who live on the front for years, with friends, would abandon them, and let them die in war, while being away of the front...
capricious death at any moment
never see who shot you
friendly fire everywhere
by the time you do see an enemy your guard has dropped
if it only took 20 minutes to find some one id be ok with that
Indeed, i just looked it up, weather anomalies during 199/1940/1941. Harsh winters, a lot of rain.
Anyway, it would have failed anyway. Having a two-front war is a stupid idea and leaving the biggest aircraft carrier right at the front of your door is a setup for doom.
Yeah, that's part of the reason why Wittman didn't want to go.
It's also because Hitler didn't want to interfere with his fanatics too much, unlike the allies who'd force their Aces, Medal of honor recipients to go back to the States and train new units with their real-world experience.
Just wasn't as much of a priority for the Germans, I suppose.
Well, he wanted peace, Hitler asked for peace about a dozen times in the span of 1940-42, basically promising to release northern France, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway and Denmark in order to stop fighting, but the Brits were probably suspicious of him, seeing as he claimed he had no other territorial demands and then went into Poland (the ethic German population being ostracized within Poland probably had something to do with that.) so I can somewhat understand the British for not wanting a peace deal.
The reason Barbarossa was a neccesity is because Germany was on the verge of starving, and so without the peace deal and trade to be established with the Brits, he had to go into Russia (who was a threat to him anyways) so they went in...
Still, can't help but wonder what a world we'd live in if that peace deal went through.
I wager Germany would have degraded after Hitler's death, probably turning into something akin to North Korea... Though the main reason they're so shitty is because they don't trade with anyone, if Nazi Germany was allowed to trade their goods for food, maybe the whole thing could have been avoided.
Oh well, the Meth Hitler was on probably influenced some of his decision making. lol
>short barreled stug
I get a shot on the side of a kv2 turret
shoot a t34 though the drivers hatch
infantry support guns
in a game with no infantry
this is why to load nothing but heat
letting them get closer than 500 meters
So were the Balkans, my point was they stationed troops in Greece, just like they stationed troops in Norway.
The reason why we call it a two-front war is not because of the literal battle spaces there were, but because there were 2 major directions resources and men had to occupy.
"Two front war" is not a literal meaning.
Hitler talked about peace since he was in power and he brought only an arm race at first and a war a little bit later - of course no one would believe him, it took the naive brits to give him what he wanted. The france would had beaten him up 1935 when he marched into the rheinland with his pathetic 100.000 soldiers, no tanks, no planes, no ships, no big guns.
These peace talks after the fall of france was a hope go gain a cheap victory over these appeasement brits, fortunately - it didn't worked out.
Barbarossa wasn't necessary - the soviet staved the ukrainian people to death to sell the food to german.
aww gheez, I wonder why these ukrainian hate russia?! /s
It was a pure ideological reason, ... every clay I see, i have to own it and enslave their inhabitant.
Like some fucking ajatollah chomeini.
We are talking about 1941, balkans are done, africa was not a 'real theater' for the wehrmacht nor a threat to the reich.
The 3th front was in the skies when they began to bomb the shit out of the nazis.
>Hitler talked about peace since he was in power and he brought only an arm race at first and a war a little bit later - of course no one would believe him
That's what I said in my post...
>when he marched into the rheinland with his pathetic 100.000 soldiers, no tanks, no planes, no ships, no big guns.
yes, and the restrictions placed on the Germans is what caused Hitlers emotional rise to power... What's your point?
>These peace talks after the fall of france was a hope go gain a cheap victory over these appeasement brits, fortunately - it didn't worked out.
I'd say it was an ok bluff, he did conquer most of Europe in a small amount of time, I'd have taken him seriously, Churchill, the drunk lunatic, obviously didn't care what price to pay, he wanted to squash Germany. He did, and he ended up paying for it with the entire Britsh Empire.
Lose/Lose for everyone.
>Barbarossa wasn't necessary - the soviet staved the ukrainian people to death to sell the food to german.
Source? My Sources tell me that food went into the Russian mainland to feed Russians, not Germans.
As far as I know there was little food being traded between the Soviets and Germany simply because there wasn't enough to go around within the Soviet union.
>It was a pure ideological reason, ... every clay I see, i have to own it and enslave their inhabitant.
I also doubt that, I think it was more a lack of options.
Youre a fucking idiot. HEAT has fuck all after-effect and is only good at extreme ranges where the pen from AP shells drops off.
But in most maps, that never happens so loading AP (APHE for ruskies) is better because it has more pen AND better after effect.
Youre as bad as the noobs that load all APCR because hurr durr penetrationss
sorta agree (the APCR thing is a fair point)
but HEAT does produce more one-shotting,
hit the ammo: kaboom
hit the fuel tanks: 5 second pause, kaboom
where as the regular AP shot doesn't give the same consistency with the results, at least that's what I found with my experience.
Yes, but heavier AP shells do more damage than lighter APCR. HEAT is just shitsauce on everything basically. Normal HE is only good on the russian howitzers and thats basically it.
What are you using HEAT in though?
I'm using the 75mm short barrel HEAT.
to clarify what I mean, an AP shell might give you a one-shot due to the fact it bounces around and hits compartments/crew, but a HEAT shell will give you a consistent destruction of the target area.
So basically, I go with AP if I can't hit a vital area (Gastank, Ammo stowage) but I go with HEAT if I can.
Seems to work pretty well for me at least...
I haven't played it since back before there were tanks. You could buy way better planes with the gold then. I think I quit around April when they did the MLP day.
>putting 800-1000 rounds of .303 into some dickbag's PBY with a Hurricane
>That's what I said in my post...
>What's your point?
Everybody in the Parliament during the Weimar time was against Treaty of Versailles, Hitler was no exception.
It was a missed opportunity to stop this idiocy before it could unleashed its total force.
The same shit with Putin nowadays - there is always a diplomatic solution, you may not get exactly what you wanted, anyway - only the lunatic enforce his will over the others with boots.
Churchill never trusted the 'Huns', by right. Bombing Rotterdam and Warshaw into a pile of rubble, breaking and cheat on every treaty negotiated before the war and dishonor the royal navy - surrender wasn't an option.
Neither was any deal the germans offered as long as the Nazis or Hitler stayed in power.
Yes, sorry, my bad.
The same fate as Putins russia share now, piss off people who sell you food and you won't have any.
> lack of options.
The bolsheviks was the fascists arch enemy, it would have come to a war, sooner or later.
>Tfw I purposely choose the underpowered shit as my own personal hard mode.
>Tfw people i play with notice me doing good
>Tfw they try to use the same stuff as me thinking its op.
>Tfw noob tears.
>It was a missed opportunity to stop this idiocy before it could unleashed its total force.
But Hitler tried to solve the issue diplomatically, he tried time and time again to get the land the German empire lost to Poland, in order to set up a rail line through Danzig into Konigsberg.
Are you saying the Germans should have just accepted the injustices being placed on them? If I were German, I'd have been pretty pissed as well.
>Churchill never trusted the 'Huns', by right. Bombing Rotterdam and Warshaw into a pile of rubble, breaking and cheat on every treaty negotiated before the war and dishonor the royal navy - surrender wasn't an option.
I'll give you Wasawa, there was a lot of bad blood between the Germans and the Poles. Rotterdam was only after the RAF started attacking civilian targets (on Churchills orders) which the Germans responded with Bombing London, and other civilian targets.
I don't understand what you mean about "dishonouring the Royal Navy" are you talking about the battle for the Atlantic? Or are you saying the act of peace would bring dishonor to Britain?
Either way I'd say no, Hitler wasn't asking for a surrender from the Brits, he was asking for peace and a trade deal, even offered to release most of the nations he rolled over. I'm not saying he was a better man than Churchill for wanting peace, I'm saying history is not a black and white fairy tale.
>The same fate as Putins russia share now, piss off people who sell you food and you won't have any.
You got that backwards, modern Russia is not hurting on food, it did hurt Polish farming sales, and could lead to a collapse within Poland (basically without Putin buying up Polish Agriculture, the farmers working the land have nobody to sell to, thus go bust on their loans and cause a crash of the Polish economy) I'd find you the article I read detailing most of this, but I suspect I'll only make one more counter post as I'm tired, and going to sleep soon.
>The bolsheviks was the fascists arch enemy, it would have come to a war, sooner or later.
Agreed, I however think it had more to do with the value of the land, rather than the ideology of the enemy.
For instance, if you yourself are facing starvation, nobody will/can trade with you (The Americans and Canadians at this time were the worlds breadbasket, and the war with Britain was refusing trade with them, the Soviets had no food to spare as Stalin was regulating food stores away from farmers in order to maintain control) this leads you to only one option, fight or starve.
Obviously he chose to fight, the ideological differences were just icing on the cake, he could keep his troops motivated through anti-bolshevik propaganda, meanwhile solving his food crisis.
My point is, if the Brits accepted Peace with the Fascists, the Fascists would have been able to feed themselves through trade - goods for food.
That was his original plan, which is why he was so adamant about peace.
>Neither was any deal the germans offered as long as the Nazis or Hitler stayed in power.
I want to gloss over this, because it's interesting to me...
You damn the Axis powers for waging an ideological war to the east, yet say it's just for Churchill to do the same? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, just merely trying to understand what it is you're getting at... Because to me, Churchill is blown up as a hero but through his diary and the personal accounts of his staff, he sounded more like a drunk lunatic. Wanting to use Chemical warfare (banned by the Geneva convention) on Germany is just one example, thank god his staff talked him out of that...
Who knows where Hitler would have stopped, there was still the Elsass and the 'shame' brought by the 'stab in the back' from 1918.
By going to war against Poland, he crossed a line he should had.
Rotterdam was bombed because the capitulation was a few minutes 'too late', still - no reason to destroy an old city. Such is not an act of war, it's an act of barbarism.
These bombing escalated when Göbbels wanted to bomb (after coventry) one city after another into the ground until the brits capitulated, the nazis started it, let them have it.
Don't forget that the germans bombed London once in the first WW with Zeppelins, the brits know exactly what they can expect.
Of course he wanted peace, he know that the would have to deal with resistance and he would be better off being the only nation in whole europe with an army. He would have turned the treaty of versailles around and punished whole europe for the 'shame of 1918'.
The EU will help and the EU is obligated to help the farmers, and it wouldn't be the first time.
The EU is destroying on a regular basis million tons of food to keep the prices stable - this one will be no exception
>Food deals with the soon-Allies
Or stop war, step back and regret, but Hitlers ego was greater than the well-being of his nation.
No deals with fanatics, fascism, islamism, communism, fundamentalism and any other kind have to die.
No deal with nazis, none - either capitulate or die.
Churchill was the reaction of the last remaining free nation against the totalitarianism on the european continent.
Would you make deals with Nazis?
Would you make deals with Islamists?
No, I trust them to do every wicked and sick thing you can imagine - and they have proven their barbaric spirit. I'm better prepared for everything they will throw at me. And the same thing thought Churchill about the and was right about it.
Anywa, good nigth!
Yo. OP here. Seems the fucking weekend brings out the edgy nazi hitleryouth. If you guys wanna play warthunder (the original topic of the thread). Hit me up http://steamcommunity.com/id/soisawc/
How am I "edgy Nazi Hitler youth?" what because I don't buy into fairy tales of "de evil nazis!1"
Fuck off, if you can't handle real history, don't comment on it.
Well, I suppose it's just time to agree to disagree, I base my historical knowledge on documented events, I'll capitulate the Rotterdam point to you, but only after you admit that the Germans did not start targeting civilian targets first, that was the actions of Churchill.
The EU destroying food isn't going to help the current crisis Poland is facing due to their sanctions on Russia. I don't fully agree with what Putin is doing in Ukraine, but then again I wouldn't want one of my country's jugular's to be torn away from me, so It's a bit of a tricky situation. To me it seems like more Western fear mongering because they have to sell the American people war, because that's all their money is based on now. Such is as the fleeting days of Rome.
everybody talking about WWII politics in this thread has no fucking care about the intentions of the initial conversation posed about warthunder and is then shitposting.
stop shitposting hitleryouth.
>ITT: Warthunder Discussions
>why don't you follow your "peaceful" leader's example and fucking kill yourself.
I will remind you of Legion Condor in Spain and the bombing of Guernica, later Barcelona.
After Rotterdam, no one cared anymore about civilian casualties.
>poland cannot into apple sale
No, but the EU will help, thats the reason why we pay taxes; to help our neighbours in need.
Putin think that the nations in the Russian periphery are Russians property and have no sovereignty, instead living in brotherhood together he want to rule with boots and tanks.
The Ukrainian people made it clear since and pre 2004 that they want to become a part of the EU, like every east european nation who had to live under the terror of the reds. They run away from russia like a child from her abusive father, raping her for decades.
Putin successfully split the nation in 2 parts, in ethnic russians and everything that is not russian. He created a cult about a moral and racial superior christian orthodox russian aryan who is better than everybody else. If you disagree, you are a jew, paid by the CIA or a brainwashed victim of the degeneracy of the west, also a homosexual and fascist.
The cold war isn't really over for these people, they think they got backstabbed - economical plundered by the winners and military humiliated but never defeated in the field by another army and now it's time to reclaim their position in the world order.
It's all about a broken ego of a nation and now it is time to get them down on the ground. No 3.reich - russian edition.
I played casually. I wasn't very good. I had fun though.
I would like this game better if the American planes could actually hold their own against germans and ruskies. As it is I'm stuck with a bunch of slow turning, poorly armed flying coffins that don't even get the benefit of extra durability. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't american planes have a reputation for carrying their pilots home alive after taking tons of punishment?
Damn biased russians
> If you disagree, you are a jew, paid by the CIA or a brainwashed victim of the degeneracy of the west, also a homosexual and fascist.
>If you disagree with me, that means that you are a jew
Stop shitting up this board with nonsensical banter you fuck
American planes are really good, you just have to play them differently. You never, ever, under any circumstances turn with someone. You have to leverage a height advantage, as Americans in general hold energy through turns better than any other nation. Then you dive in, take one pass on a guy, and dive out before he can react. A Hellcat with a height advantage over a Zero, and a good pilot will win ten times out of ten because the Zero can't follow it and can't get away.
Yeah, but one pass with 6 .50s isn't going to damage anything. I've dumped entire magazines of .50 into russian planes and I almost never bring home a kill, most of my kills are from the 37mm on the Cobras
The whole "russian bias" meme is parroted by those who have never played historical or realism mode. The only place the russian planes are good is in arcade, most of them completely and irrevocably suck complete ass in the modes where actual flight physics and limited ammunition are involved
I would ply historical or realism if I could find a game with tier 3 American planes within a reasonable timeframe but why wait 15 minutes when I can just get an arcade match in 30 seconds?
Please let em know if I'm being retarded here, but I just can't find any historic games as American