/k/omrades and of you play Warthunder? >inb4 /v/ Take veh

>>23086966
>ShitThunder
>simulator
Pick one

>>23086966
>great flying simulation

Not just no

But fuck no

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>>23086991
>>23086979
Arcade Battle Fags.
Try using the simulator battle.

>>23087014
Still shit

>>23087014
Even worse

>>23086966

That is one rad trailer.

War Thunder is still shit though. RO2 is where its at for WWII ground combat.

>asking for super realistic simulation
>does not have it so game is shit
/k/ never disappoints.

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>>23087068
IL2: Battle of Stalingrad is coming out soon.

>>23086966
I play actual flight simulators, like IL2 Sturmovik, not casual shit like warthunder.

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yeah, warthunder is breddy rad. and the trailers are fucking sweet

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>>23087709
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzgPXOw2plI

>here, found it.
>the guy in the panther, realizing it is all over

I played it for a bit.

My laptop sucks and my two roommates download shit all the time so it was basically unplayable some days.

Also I hate games where you can buy your way to victory, so I quit playing it.

>>23086966

OP is that image from paths of hate? All I have in my head right now is the dogfight...

>>23087250
Shame thats even worse

Graphical upgrade, everything else shat on

>>23087749
>>23086966
>dem trailers
dayum

>>23086966
Yes. I guess i just enjoy the suck.

I gotta grind for that Jagdtiger somehow.

>>23087877
Live-action trailers are what companies do when their product is substandard

>simulator

hahaha
*le il2 sturmovik faec*

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>>23087779
sure is... here is some more Paths of Hate

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>>23087921
>>23087601
>>23087250
>>23086991
>>23086979
ITT: IL-2 Sturmovik hipsters get butthurt at Warthunder's popularity.

>>23087941
Don't deny that it is as much of a simulator as world of tanks and world of warplanes are, all of them arcade

>>23087941
Its like saying STALKER fans are butthurt about call of duty being popular.

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>>23087963
I like the balance it has between simulator like physics and still manages to keep some fun. Most ultra-realistic flightsims i find them slow paced. And looking at IL-2 gameplay i am severely underwhelmed.

>>23088046
>I don't have the attention span to play actual sims
>instead I'll play arcade games and call them sims

Oh, okay.

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>>23088136
way to completely chop up my sentences to make them fit your post faggot.

>Oh, Okay.

>>23088152
But that's what you said, anon.

The fact that you think IL2 is ultra-realistic shows how skewed your idea of a "simulator" is. War Thunder is only slightly better than Ace Combat when it comes to realism.

War Thunder's fun, but calling it a sim is pants on head retarded. Plus, its physics is shit.

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I'd rather fly my MiG21bis

>tfw ground forces was dead on arrival.

>>23088739
you men the bais?
damn that fucking russian bais

>>23088762
russian bias worse bias.
Also, American tanks when.

>>23087995
stay analmad

>War Thunder
>Simulator
Yeah, simulates Russian bias real well.

>>23088693
How are you enjoying it? Gotten an A2A kills against F-15C's online or anything unexpected like that?

>>23088910
months proboably.
i actually bought that special german sherman, wich was insanely overpowered for a few week until they nerfed the armor by 30% and cut the ROF in half. aaaand BR stays the same. I WANT MY FUCKING MONEY BACK

>>23088955

Any company that censors history (like blacking out swastika's, even fucking [REDACTING] Erich Hartmann's profile) is shady at best, and lacks a fucking spine.

The game is fun, but their over the top censorship and obvious RUSSIA STRONK bias is fucking annoying.

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>>23088693
Based anon. Thank you for posting bestgame.

>>23088968
Dogfighting anything on your own in the Fishbed is very difficult, I get very few kills while flying solo. No, I'm not shit, because whenever I fly with a friend (said friend in picture) we kick ass. Neither of us have been shot down in combat in the Fishbed yet. Granted, we haven't engaged any F-15s yet, but still, we're a pretty killer team.

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>>23087250
ho yes I'm so ready to pay 95€ for less than 30 planes from 2 nation only and only between 1942 to 1943 and no ground vehicles playable
yes I'm gona do that meanwhile war thunder is fucking FREE

>>23089315

Which decal do you use to clone the kill marks on the barrel?

>>23089360
white bomb

>>23089028
Russian bias? You seem to have not played in a while. Burger bias constant and sharp.

>>23087014
It's not a sim. Fucking face it.

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>>23089360
white bomb in the kill decal
this shot is from the CBT btw

this game has flaw for sure but for a free game it's a dam good one and seeing recent dev posts it's seems it will go in the right direction now

I'm sorry i just can't stand all this hipster style hype around that over priced Bos

>>23089226
Holy shit what are you running it on? A potato?

>>23089428
>it's seems it will go in the right direction now
Anon, are you drunk? Game is tumbling down into it's doom since a while now, and devs seem to not care.

>>23089412

The burger bias is in the form of the one trick pony, the Bearcat. And that's it. Where all Yaks from 2-4 and all Tier 5 Russian jets are clearly superior to any other. The MiG-15s wipe the floor of any Sabre, Panther, and Meteor.

Even facing MiG-9s around the 6.3 BR range is fucking insulting. I can't even fly my 109K4 without facing a handful of those over the course of a half dozen games. Not to mention you can't even effectively use an ME262, since you're automatically tiered up against Korean war tier jets. It's just stupid.

Yak-9
Yak-9 everywhere..

... also, stalinwood.

>>23089511
i do agree on that first part, even though i fly UK
>hello there little tempest, lets play a pit of... oh, MiG9's. five of them

but the part with the 262, is more tricky. it really dosnt have an equal. it is clearly superior to the first gen jet fighters (P-80, Yak-15, meteor), but is is clearly inferior to the korean jets. such a plane is going to be really hard to balance

>>23086966
5/10 made me run the launcher

>>23089511
>Hellcat
>P47
>P39 & P63
>F80

All on riddiculously low BR. No bias here))))))

>>23089606
okay, ill give you those cobras. they are undertiered as hell

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>>23089488
nope recent post from the devs said that the whole BR system will be changed
also 1.43 is holded to be sure it's as flawless as possible
game is not dead just going trough a bad phase

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>>23089626
that is if 1.43 will ever be released

>>23089623
>not Hellcat

Like c'mon. It's a goddamn UFO pulling out energy out of it's ass. I remember event where Hellcats and liberators faced Shinden Kais. F6F had no problems keeping up.

Only thing stopping Hellcats from obliterating anything in it's tier are pilots. Allied teams tend to have no brain.

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>>23089437
Two potatoes, actually. Hey man, it works, thats what matters.

>>23089693

Tends to reinforce the theory that Axis teams are purposely overtired because they have better pilots overall.

>Germany stronk

>>23089693
ehh, i never really found hellcats very troubling. that said, i have very little experiance with energyfighting because muh spitfires

>>23089714
How potato is your potato though?
like no graphics card level?

IL2: 1946
- No drm, easily pirated or cheap to buy on gog
- 3rd party dynamic campaign generators
- Tons of theatres, maps and planes with all the expansions
- Patched for more than a decade, now includes native widescreen support and more
- Great mods that make the graphics much better and adds more planes including Korean war jets
- Easy to make your own skins, shows up for others in MP too
- An actual simulator, unlike warthunder

>>23089736
like laptop potato

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>>23089714
Better to have stable frames and potato graphics than fancy lighting and 20fps.

>>23089816
So I can run DCS on a laptop?
Beuno

>>23089428
>>23089377

Not seeing the white bomb decal for tanks. Did they remove it?

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>>23089751
IL2:1946
included Do-335

awww yeah!

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Beside the badgering from people, does anyone want to play the He 162 on RB? Just unlocked mine today

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>>23089852
DCS is more CPU-bound than GPU-bound.

>>23089852
Well, my laptop is a super laptop. I wouldn't exactly recommend it, because my FPS averages in the 30s to 40s, sometimes below that if shit gets intense or if there's a number of MiG-21s.

>>23089848
Exactly my logic.

>>23089880
Define super laptop?
What core, how much ram

>>23088136
Why do people still think that simulation must have 80% walking 20% shooting at best?
Why isn't there a simulator that puts you right in next of the fight?

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http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=128906

>It is my understanding that it is impossible to use your mouse as joystick in DCS. Can’t anyone create a mod that allows this?! I strongly insist that you shouldn’t have to buy equipment worth hundreds of dollars to enjoy a game, or simulator. I’ve played many, many other games where you fly aircraft with the mouse and never had any issues with it.

>Currently players must play with very challenging keyboard controls or go buy a joystick despite there being a great alternative. Because of what… blatant elitism or an evil scheme to sell joysticks?

>If DCS allowed mouse controls then it would instantly become that much more attractive to anyone who is new to flight sims and doesn’t already have a joystick they are happy with. If you don’t want one, if you can’t afford one, while you’re saving for one, if yours breaks, if your desktop is small… and why the hell not? Implementation should be easy.

>>23089931
>Why do simulators simulate things semi-realistically?
>I want my arena shooter simulator!

>>23089931
Because a lot of the depth in combat sims also comes from spotting and identifying contacts while exposing yourself as little as possible.

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>>23090005
>joystick
>equipment worth hundreds of dollars

>>23089931
It actually does put you right in the fight but it's not the same shit as for example with spawning 8 tanks/planes/soldiers on each side of map and throwing them up against each other.

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I hate arcade "sims" like WT and WoT, purely due to the shit community they create. Despite obvious unrealistic aspects for balance and fun, you end up with a shit community who thinks that something's qualities in a game have any bearing on how it actually performed in reality.

On top of that, it makes it impossible to search more obscure planes/tanks without running into a shitty thread from one of their forums.

>>23090115
i do exactly understand what you mean. but it is not quite right to judge a game by the community, just like it is judging a gun by its owners

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>>23089855
yes for tank for tanks it's not available for some reason

>>23090051
>to play the game correctly
http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Hotas-Warthog-Joystick-2960720/dp/B00371R8P4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412464316&sr=8-1&keywords=warthog

>>23090157
I know. I just hate the communities of those games so much.

Wargaming actually did something right by allowing you to mute the game chat in WoT, making the game so much more bearable to play.

Wargaming in particular I don't like because they try to insist there's an element of "realism" to their games, when it's very clearly an arcade game. Thus, you get their full-retard community insisting that anything Wargaming says about the war is fact.

WT has a similar issue, thanks to its "simulator" mode (in reality just relaxed arcade elements).

Unless you're simulating the entire front, and all of the air, ground, and (most importantly) logistical operations it entails, you're not a simulator.

>>23090202
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Extreme-Joystick-Silver-Black/dp/B00009OY9U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412464474&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+extreme+3d+pro

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Hell yeah I play!

>>23089011
shame, the german sherman is a rare sight on the field. What is the point of flying american planes? I seem to work well with them when I boom and zoom, but they don't seem to be that outstanding.

>>23090240
yeah. pretty much why i usually stick to arcade. just some honest plane action. i know it is not a simulator, i know the FM in arcade is stupid and i know you cant do loops at low altitude in a medium bomber, but all that just dissappears after drowning an enemy La with 20mm cannonfire after a 2 min dogfight in a sexy, sexy spitfire Vc

>>23090310

I fly the American tree. They're not special planes at all, but they're solid. I roll with the P-47, Hellcat, and the cannon Corsair.

>>23090310
americans are best in T2 (personal opinion ofc) where 6x50cal will chew this up, but same guns two tiers up, ehh, not so good. and those indestructable B-17's

>>23090334
I will admit they can take a beating that's for sure.
>>23090349
What do you run in T2? I'm in a P-400 with a P-39N-0 on the way.

So I'm not double posting, but does anyone remember a few weeks back when german tanks were getting racked much more than usual? I think it was patched but it was a rough time.

>>23090404
i run pretty much all american T2's. but not higher, i just dont have the time to grind them and the brittish jets. and yes, i know exactly what week you are talking about. only playable machine was the Pz III L/M

>>arcade
Good time waster
>>realistic
fun
>>simulator
don't have the controls to do it

fuck this game though

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>>23090438
To this day I still hate Russian tanks. I refuse to believe they were as good as German tanks. Then again that would be like comparing German tanks to American. I mean that Firefly...

>>23090492

Same. Russian tanks were shitty and ugly. Fuck the idiots that play with them in the game.

>>23090492
sherman and Pz 3L are the best if you just want to "bash ruskies". from there up, with he possible exeption of the tiger, things get worse. that said, i havent really played the TD's much. i will proboably start doing that soon

>>23090492

76mm Sherman is my favorite tank of the war

>>23090544

Yeah I enjoy playing the mid-tier tanks way more than the lumbering heavies.

fucking amazing new trailer for war thudner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-J5Vg0SxLc

>>23090492

thing is Russian tank are bias mostly on the penetration of their gun, every shell and gun have 20MM more than their real statistic... That's why Panther and tiger get rekt by T34 from so far...

>>23090818
in arcade, yes. the KV1 is a fucking monster in arcade too (if you fight stug3 and pz3/4's)

but in simulator and realistic battles, their 57mm guns bounce off the tigers side even at point blank range.

>try out war thunder
>have stug with short 75mm
>flank a t-50
>put a shot square into it's ass
>t-50 still fine
>drive up to point blank range
>fire another 75mm shell into it's ass
>still doesn't hurt the tank
>t-50 turns it's turret around
>fire another shell, this time into the turret side, still nothing, went through just didn't hurt anything
>t-50 drives around me, because the stug cannot turn that fast
>fire one last shot into the side of the t-50, doesn't do anything
>t-50 fires one shot, driver dead, commander dead.
>next shot eliminates me
yeah, fuck that game so hard.

>>23090818
>every shell and gun have 20MM more than their real statistic

mmean to say :

every shell and gun have 20MM more penetration than their real counter part

>>23090803

They're certainly pouring money into marketing. Who is funding them?

>>23090861
as long as you play in RB or SB this is true
remember when driving german tanks:
>range is your friend

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>>23090803
>Posts video already posted by OP

>>23090862
get gud scrub

>>23090803
that is literally the same video op posted are you fucking bling?

>>23090899
hah bling.
Blind*

>>23090894
being in a t-50 was way more fun, gun seems to do more damage, armor seemed better, at least from the front. Shots don't kill your crew very often.

>>23087941
its nothing i really get mad about
as everyone knows, there's always more people of inferior quality than of high quality.

>>23086966
There is no simulation in Warthunder.

>>23090862
shot placement, over pen. Use HEAT next time. Firing into the "ass" is not going to help you. you either want to knock the crew out, or ammo rack if you want fast kills. This isn't WoT where the engine will share health with the rest of the tank.

>>23090929
I just thought shooting the engine with a 75mm shell might damage it, keeping the tank from flanking me, but nope. also shooting into the side of the turret didn't do a thing.

>>23090862
i bet it was a short 75 wasn't it
standard armor piercing on short 75 cannot penetrate T-50 period
just use HEAT amo

>>23090952
All the shots went through, the game is nice enough to tell you, but i must have missed every crew member/module in the tank. Had more luck with the smaller, faster firing guns because if you miss a module by 1mm you have a quick follow up shot.

>>23089226
>Serp
I know you.

>>23090987
HE or HEAT with short barrels. and as aforementioned, the Pz 3L is the tank to go for

>>23089315
What are you talking about?

>>23090947
the best thing you can do is look up guides on where critical components and weak spots are. also learn your ammo so you know what to switch to. I've knocked out plenty of german crews because of that driver slit on the front.

>>23091007
yeah, i'm done with the game when tank destroyers and assault guns can't do much to light tanks.

>>23091021
yea, in arcade mode.

>>23089931
Most simulators have that as an option, but concealing yourself and spotting is a huge part of warfare no matter if it's on the ground in the air.

>>23090878
Yeah, but I rather go hull-down and one-shot kill them at closer range. Either the drivers hatch or the turret below the gun. Russian turrets are always good to shot at.

>>23091028
I did historical for the good ol russkie vs germans. russians seemed to win most of them, mostly because every russian was driving a t-50. I also figured out that it uses your plane rank as well. Was a bad game when I had a short barreled stug fighting t-34's.

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>>23091059
>hitting a turret ring from 800 meters

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>>23088693

Me too man. This happened yesterday during the Kh-66 tutorial. Dat target fixation.

You figure out how to launch chaff/flares yet? I got that center ecm pod equipped, and flicked the on switch with dual flare drop, but nothing comes out.

>>23091086
>at closer range

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>not going into close range with tiger against enemy armour.
>miss all the slaughter, miss all the fire

>>23091130
>20 fps

>>23086966

'great flying simulation'

Gaijin have ruined what could have been a good game.

>>23090929

Dont listen to this retard, at that close a range the AP shell on the short 75 is fine enough.

The t-50 is just ridiculously OP in its DM.

>>23087014
>planes performance tweaked with regards to balance rather than historical performance
>.50cal doing more damage than mk103 or mk108 30mm cannons
>match maker that sends me262s vs. Post war bear cats, migs and sabres
>only HE bombs for ground strike missions >no engine failure simulation
>no fatigue or stress simulation
>no realistic start up sequence
>no wind, no turbulences, no high altitude simulation, no ice or snow simulation
>no antromorphic controls


Try harder fucking pleb

>>23089626
>being this far in denial
Gaijin shill detected, also, shouldn't this really belong on the /vg/ thread for warthunder. Stalker is the only exception to that, and War Thunder aint no stalker.

>Anything involving Gaijin
>Worth playing

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>>23091074
Should have won the war tovarisch xaxaxa

>>23091820

What the fuck is that autistic bullshit from

>>23091820
dats some thrust vectoring shit right there, got some fucking macross in here.

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>>23091820

LOL

>>23091849
Red tails. Want to rage even more?
P-51 vs Me262 head to head: http://youtu.be/XK4cKzI3-ZY

>>23091820

>Red Tails

Yep, totally realism guys. Those naziboos are terribad at planes

>>23091849
Redtails, it's awful. Guy heads on a Me 262 and take 4 or 3 30mm to the shoulder and they looks like 9mms

>>23091820
Goddamnit, that pissed me off to no end, still a good show.

Greatest tank battles fucking blows, Battle 360 was ok, and Dogfights I enjoyed.

>>23091897

So much this. Just one of those 30mm Minengeschoss would fuck the engine and him up. Instead theyre firing 30mm slugs. kek.

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>>23091897
>>23091902

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I prefer Luftrausers

Also, are there any good helicopter games I can play on just a basic set up

>>23091897
>>23091909
Oh shit, I thought it was from the show Dogfights, where the same thing happens

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>>23091930
simcopter

>>23091932
It's because one of the nignogs actually claims to have pulled this exact manoeuvre in his memoirs.

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>>23086966
Gif of your pic m8

>>23087754
>buy your way to victory
But you can't do that in Warthunder anon. It's just pay to not grind, you get the same planes.

>>23091944

This game was the shit

>>23091930
I use that exact joystick for dcs. Requires a bit of tweaking of the controls because the stick is too sensitive (yeah yeah, that's what she said), but it's up for the job.

>>23091958
Shit, I remember this video, it was really cool. Do you know what it's called?

>>23091965
kinda, you also pay to get experience which improves your planes performance mildly.

>>23092006
It's still nowhere near pay to win, having actual skill is still much more important than how much money you dump in the game.

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>>23090492
you're half-right, the Russians metal fabrication was not as complex as the Germans, basically the Ruskies just used cast steel and everything was just "that'll do" to crank out as many tanks as possible, which inevitably led to shoddy workmanship.

Russian tanks were really good on paper, the 45mm gun comes to mind, but once it got through the communist beuracracy and shitty manufacturing techniques to cut corners the shells would shatter on impact, thus making them next to useless for penetration of even Pz3 hulls.

This isn't modeled in any videogame, which is why the Russian tanks always kick ass in any game you play (except for Barbarossa to Berlin) where none of these issues come into play.

German tanks were undoubtebly well made, but they spent so much time making them that by the time one Pz4, Stug, or Tiger was made, dozens of T-34s or Shermans were put together. (the Americans did have a nice production standard, they weren't quite as desperate as the Russians.) and yeah, putting a 17lber in a Sherman was a match made in heaven. Brits really can be genius, nobody likes to admit it because of how in-your-face they are about their sporadic brilliance, but when they do something right, man is it nice.

>>23092099
And next up for something everyone already knows....

>>23092099

Why does everyone pretend that the Firefly was the only upgunned Sherman and that the Brits were geniuses for it?

The Americans had basically the exact same thing with the 76mm Sherman.

>>23092143
I'm no fan of the Firefly, but I thought it was because it was a good gun on a good platform.

>>23092143
Because they had to reinvent the hydraulics that came with it, and no, the 76mm was not on the same level as the 17lbr. It was close, but not equal.

I do however, somewhat agree...

The Israelis also up-gunned their Shermans to compete with the enemy T-54/5s and called it the "Super Sherman" I think it just goes to show how versatile a platform the Sherman provided.

>>23092167

Yeah it was. Same as the 76mm Sherman.

"Overall, the 76mm M1 was comparable to the 17pdr. Performance was roughly equal with the 17pdr enjoying better penetration qualities, while the 76mm weapon was more accurate."

>>23092177

Right, it was a nice product they ended up with. I like the Firefly. I'm just saying that everyone pretends like the US Army were "hurrrr we stoopid, we use shit gun" and that the Brits were geniuses for doing it.

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>>23092177
Late versions of the Sherman were pretty cool. Would sleep on the engine deck of/10

>>23092188

The 76mm Sherman also wrecked T-34/85s in Korea.

>>23089863

It's actually quite good in RB. Probably the only German jet right now that performs well compared to it's competitors.

Well, apart from the CL-13 and Mig 15 of course.

>>23092188
Well, maybe that's some of that in-your-face rubbing off on you as I said in my post.

I suppose it's just impressive they fit the 17lbr gun which wasn't designed for it into it.

The 76mm nobody cared about because it was specifically designed for it, they didn't make any cuts to the design or changes to it because it was pretty much new anyways, meanwhile the Tommies could put better use to the surplus of cannons they had, the Yanks were producing cannons specifically to fit onto tanks.

That's basically my own reasoning as to why the improvised gun is more celebrated, IDK TBH, and yeah I guess I agree.

>>23092274

Yeah I mean I'm not arguing anything, I just wanted to make a point. I love the Firefly.

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>>23092228
Easy Eights are nothing to sneeze at, they'll fuck you up.

They were my favorite tank in Sudden strike, and in Men of War.

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>>23092307

>you'll never be able to go back in time to put the 76mm on a Jumbo Sherman and wade through Stalin's hordes with Patton in the lead.

>>23087749
Ok I have to admit that trailer was really fucking cool, especially the panzer driving away without its turret like that

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>>23092330
oh fuck, dooon't

>>23089226
What game is this?

>>23087749

It kind of turned into Attack On Titan at the end there

>>23092005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRcLvYyVm6Y&list=LLg-YtXu19CTMbUCfRLUN-Pw

paths of hate

>>23092477
The German made the rookie mistake of dogfighting with a brit.

Biiiiiiig mistake Fritz.

I heard that basically only the noobs who were hungry for the kill would do that, meanwhile the vets would boom-n-zoom the brits, with the only counter the brits being able to do is just to turn into them, not being able to get their guns to bear just to close the amount of time the Germans had to like up a shot.

Fuck I love dogfight tactics, shit makes me rock hard.

>>23086966
Warthunder?
>pukes into trashcan
No, hell no.

>>23092529
>had to like up a shot.
>like
>line

sorry bout that

I find it hilarious how Germany completely fucked themselves by never rotating aces out of the line.

gg hitley

>>23089848
those nuggets got BBQ-ed.

Nice Splash.

>>23092557

Yeah it wasn't the best policy. But they had much bigger problems than that which doomed them.

>>23092557
They fucked up in so many ways. I'm pretty sure that early Allied incompetence was the only reason they didn't lose earlier.

>>23092385

http://store.steampowered.com/app/223750/

http://store.steampowered.com/app/250300/

>>23092557
I think it's more because they were more fanatical than their counterparts, take Michael Wittman as an example.

He refused to pull off the lines to train new tank crews, instead insisted on going to do battle with the enemy where he argued he'd be more useful.

One 17lb shell and a line of dead tanks later, and he's no-more.

>>23092099
That said the metallurgy situation started to swap during the late war period.

>>23092568

Please. They did pretty much as well as they could have hoped. Not their fault the dumb Japs brought the US into the war.

>>23092623
You mean like engaging Russia in a land war after signing a peace treaty that seemed like it was holding fine?

>>23092623
Yeah, as well as they could've hoped, but fuck, son.

>>23092529
the problem was, that the german - once entered the british airspace over london - got only 10 minutes to fight. After these 10 minutes, they wouldn't have had enough fuel to fly home.
They didn't gone into dogfights against spits as far as I know (because boom-n-zoom was already the established tactic against allied fighters) and main opponent of the messerschmidt was the hurricane.

the nazis tried to give the german airforce more time to fight with the me110, but this was an utter failure.

>>23092143
Because it was in Company of Heroes.

>>23092568
You gotta give credit where it's due, they conquered a shit load of modern European armies, if the Brits didn't have that Channel, they'd have been fucked as well.

The Ruskies only survived because of lend-lease, I mean, the incredible amount of progress they made, fighting through each army, through each yard of clay, you can't just pass that off as incompetence by their enemies, you gotta have some guts and some brains to pull that off.

They just didn't have the production to compete with the likes of the US and the Soviets, who had no qualms with destroying civilian targets.

>>23091987
"I'M THE CEO OF MCDONNELL DOUGLAS

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>>23092671
Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for the Wehrmacht and associates. I more had the government in mind when I said that, ignoring clever people like Speer.

>>23092671

Exactly. They absolutely wrecked everyone up until the last day of the war. They were simply overmatched in terms of production and manpower.

>>23092654

Um, yes? We should have never allied with the Soviets to begin with.

>>23092729
Was talking about Germany.

>>23092742

Oh right. Sorry I misread.

But no, the peace treaty was not holding fine. War was inevitable. It was only a question of when. Invading in June 1941 was the correct move. May 1940 would have been ideal but they had to deal with meddling France.

>>23092654
>>23092659
attack russia so late, starting in late juni instead of early april or late march.
avoid the yugo and greece campaign and got 3 more months before winter is coming, would have probably enough to take moscow and avoided these high climatic casualties during the sidge of leningrad (what basically means, winter-fit fortifications around the city).

>>23092758

Okay first of all, April and March means that Russia is mud. They cannot invade until May at the earliest. And they were scheduled to kick off in May, but were delayed by rain and having to clean up the Balkans.

But yes, they should have started a month sooner and would have been at the gates of Moscow a month earlier. That was a big mistake.

But to say that they should have launched in March/April shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

>>23092659
sorry, misquoted by >>23092758

>>23092598
>He refused to pull off the lines to train new tank crews, instead insisted on going to do battle with the enemy where he argued he'd be more useful.

I think it's more because they didn't want to quit their comrad of war, I don't think lot of people who live on the front for years, with friends, would abandon them, and let them die in war, while being away of the front...

>>23090046
capricious death at any moment
never see who shot you
friendly fire everywhere
by the time you do see an enemy your guard has dropped

if it only took 20 minutes to find some one id be ok with that

>>23092781

Indeed, i just looked it up, weather anomalies during 199/1940/1941. Harsh winters, a lot of rain.

Anyway, it would have failed anyway. Having a two-front war is a stupid idea and leaving the biggest aircraft carrier right at the front of your door is a setup for doom.

>>23092846
Yeah, that's part of the reason why Wittman didn't want to go.

It's also because Hitler didn't want to interfere with his fanatics too much, unlike the allies who'd force their Aces, Medal of honor recipients to go back to the States and train new units with their real-world experience.

Just wasn't as much of a priority for the Germans, I suppose.

>>23092917

>leaving the biggest aircraft carrier right at the front of your door

u wot?

>>23091713
But B-17 was indestructable and none were ever shot down. If th Germans had such good planes why did they lose? /s

>>23092947
ach, sorry - drinking and writing is not a good idea.
>leaving the biggest aircraft carrier unregarded right at your front door

>>23092477

Fighter pilots werent that vicious. They were bro tier man. Go read up on memoirs and shit.

>>23092917
Well, he wanted peace, Hitler asked for peace about a dozen times in the span of 1940-42, basically promising to release northern France, Belgium, Netherlands, Norway and Denmark in order to stop fighting, but the Brits were probably suspicious of him, seeing as he claimed he had no other territorial demands and then went into Poland (the ethic German population being ostracized within Poland probably had something to do with that.) so I can somewhat understand the British for not wanting a peace deal.

The reason Barbarossa was a neccesity is because Germany was on the verge of starving, and so without the peace deal and trade to be established with the Brits, he had to go into Russia (who was a threat to him anyways) so they went in...

Still, can't help but wonder what a world we'd live in if that peace deal went through.

I wager Germany would have degraded after Hitler's death, probably turning into something akin to North Korea... Though the main reason they're so shitty is because they don't trade with anyone, if Nazi Germany was allowed to trade their goods for food, maybe the whole thing could have been avoided.

Oh well, the Meth Hitler was on probably influenced some of his decision making. lol

>>23092917

It was a three-front war for Germany.

They had the mediterannean and balkans to deal with alongside the Atlantic Wall and Russia. Fucking idiots.

>>23092947
He's talking about Britain, which acted as a giant aircraft carrier.

lrn2hstry

>>23093018
Surely then you must include Norway, making it into a 4 front war!

>>23093004
This is turning into a /pol/ hugbox thread, this is about a videogame and if /k/omrades play it.

now, go back to your nazi hugbox

>>>/pol/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc37oQp6b4o

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>>23091074
>short barreled stug
I get a shot on the side of a kv2 turret
instant kill

shoot a t34 though the drivers hatch
instant kill
--------------------------
infantry support guns
in a game with no infantry
this is why to load nothing but heat

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>>23091350
letting them get closer than 500 meters

>>23093034
Not him, but I wouldn't as they were taken out of the picture early on.

>>23093162
So were the Balkans, my point was they stationed troops in Greece, just like they stationed troops in Norway.

The reason why we call it a two-front war is not because of the literal battle spaces there were, but because there were 2 major directions resources and men had to occupy.

"Two front war" is not a literal meaning.

>>23093004
Hitler talked about peace since he was in power and he brought only an arm race at first and a war a little bit later - of course no one would believe him, it took the naive brits to give him what he wanted. The france would had beaten him up 1935 when he marched into the rheinland with his pathetic 100.000 soldiers, no tanks, no planes, no ships, no big guns.
These peace talks after the fall of france was a hope go gain a cheap victory over these appeasement brits, fortunately - it didn't worked out.

Barbarossa wasn't necessary - the soviet staved the ukrainian people to death to sell the food to german.
aww gheez, I wonder why these ukrainian hate russia?! /s
It was a pure ideological reason, ... every clay I see, i have to own it and enslave their inhabitant.
Like some fucking ajatollah chomeini.

>>23093018
We are talking about 1941, balkans are done, africa was not a 'real theater' for the wehrmacht nor a threat to the reich.
The 3th front was in the skies when they began to bomb the shit out of the nazis.

>>23093159
mahlzeitstellung
nom nom nom - russians are gone.

>>23093257

You are pretty dumb

>>23093052

wahhhhhh people don't agree with me

>>23093303

Isn't that the /pol/ motto?

>>23093293
>I disagree with you and here is why ....
would be more appropriate

>>23093310

Take your butthurt shit out of here, we're discussing history.

>>23093257
>Hitler talked about peace since he was in power and he brought only an arm race at first and a war a little bit later - of course no one would believe him
That's what I said in my post...

>>23093257
>when he marched into the rheinland with his pathetic 100.000 soldiers, no tanks, no planes, no ships, no big guns.
yes, and the restrictions placed on the Germans is what caused Hitlers emotional rise to power... What's your point?

>>23093257
>These peace talks after the fall of france was a hope go gain a cheap victory over these appeasement brits, fortunately - it didn't worked out.
I'd say it was an ok bluff, he did conquer most of Europe in a small amount of time, I'd have taken him seriously, Churchill, the drunk lunatic, obviously didn't care what price to pay, he wanted to squash Germany. He did, and he ended up paying for it with the entire Britsh Empire.

Lose/Lose for everyone.

>>23093257
>Barbarossa wasn't necessary - the soviet staved the ukrainian people to death to sell the food to german.
Source? My Sources tell me that food went into the Russian mainland to feed Russians, not Germans.

As far as I know there was little food being traded between the Soviets and Germany simply because there wasn't enough to go around within the Soviet union.

>>23093257
>It was a pure ideological reason, ... every clay I see, i have to own it and enslave their inhabitant.
I also doubt that, I think it was more a lack of options.

>>23093257
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Latin for pacifist faggots cause more wars than they stop.

>>23093140

Youre a fucking idiot. HEAT has fuck all after-effect and is only good at extreme ranges where the pen from AP shells drops off.

But in most maps, that never happens so loading AP (APHE for ruskies) is better because it has more pen AND better after effect.

Youre as bad as the noobs that load all APCR because hurr durr penetrationss

>>23093418

i-i use all APCR.

>>23093418
the game is all critical hits anyway
high explosive does nothing

>>23093418
sorta agree (the APCR thing is a fair point)

but HEAT does produce more one-shotting,

hit the ammo: kaboom
hit the fuel tanks: 5 second pause, kaboom

where as the regular AP shot doesn't give the same consistency with the results, at least that's what I found with my experience.

>>23093458

Yes, but heavier AP shells do more damage than lighter APCR. HEAT is just shitsauce on everything basically. Normal HE is only good on the russian howitzers and thats basically it.

>>23093467

What are you using HEAT in though?

>>23093474
I'm using the 75mm short barrel HEAT.

to clarify what I mean, an AP shell might give you a one-shot due to the fact it bounces around and hits compartments/crew, but a HEAT shell will give you a consistent destruction of the target area.

So basically, I go with AP if I can't hit a vital area (Gastank, Ammo stowage) but I go with HEAT if I can.

Seems to work pretty well for me at least...

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>>23091965

I haven't played it since back before there were tanks. You could buy way better planes with the gold then. I think I quit around April when they did the MLP day.

>putting 800-1000 rounds of .303 into some dickbag's PBY with a Hurricane
>mfw

>>23093354
>That's what I said in my post...
Yarp, sorry.

>What's your point?
Everybody in the Parliament during the Weimar time was against Treaty of Versailles, Hitler was no exception.
It was a missed opportunity to stop this idiocy before it could unleashed its total force.
The same shit with Putin nowadays - there is always a diplomatic solution, you may not get exactly what you wanted, anyway - only the lunatic enforce his will over the others with boots.

>Churchill
Churchill never trusted the 'Huns', by right. Bombing Rotterdam and Warshaw into a pile of rubble, breaking and cheat on every treaty negotiated before the war and dishonor the royal navy - surrender wasn't an option.
Neither was any deal the germans offered as long as the Nazis or Hitler stayed in power.


>Food
Yes, sorry, my bad.
The same fate as Putins russia share now, piss off people who sell you food and you won't have any.

> lack of options.
The bolsheviks was the fascists arch enemy, it would have come to a war, sooner or later.

>Tfw I purposely choose the underpowered shit as my own personal hard mode.
>Tfw people i play with notice me doing good
>Tfw they try to use the same stuff as me thinking its op.
>Tfw noob tears.

You want to know how HE will fuck up your enemy?
Face hug them and blow a load into the drivers view slot. BOOOM
Low tier battles and a descend amount of kg HE dominate the battlefield.

>>23093754
>It was a missed opportunity to stop this idiocy before it could unleashed its total force.
But Hitler tried to solve the issue diplomatically, he tried time and time again to get the land the German empire lost to Poland, in order to set up a rail line through Danzig into Konigsberg.

Are you saying the Germans should have just accepted the injustices being placed on them? If I were German, I'd have been pretty pissed as well.

>>23093754
>Churchill never trusted the 'Huns', by right. Bombing Rotterdam and Warshaw into a pile of rubble, breaking and cheat on every treaty negotiated before the war and dishonor the royal navy - surrender wasn't an option.
I'll give you Wasawa, there was a lot of bad blood between the Germans and the Poles. Rotterdam was only after the RAF started attacking civilian targets (on Churchills orders) which the Germans responded with Bombing London, and other civilian targets.

I don't understand what you mean about "dishonouring the Royal Navy" are you talking about the battle for the Atlantic? Or are you saying the act of peace would bring dishonor to Britain?

Either way I'd say no, Hitler wasn't asking for a surrender from the Brits, he was asking for peace and a trade deal, even offered to release most of the nations he rolled over. I'm not saying he was a better man than Churchill for wanting peace, I'm saying history is not a black and white fairy tale.

>>23093754
>The same fate as Putins russia share now, piss off people who sell you food and you won't have any.
You got that backwards, modern Russia is not hurting on food, it did hurt Polish farming sales, and could lead to a collapse within Poland (basically without Putin buying up Polish Agriculture, the farmers working the land have nobody to sell to, thus go bust on their loans and cause a crash of the Polish economy) I'd find you the article I read detailing most of this, but I suspect I'll only make one more counter post as I'm tired, and going to sleep soon.

>>23093754
>The bolsheviks was the fascists arch enemy, it would have come to a war, sooner or later.
Agreed, I however think it had more to do with the value of the land, rather than the ideology of the enemy.

For instance, if you yourself are facing starvation, nobody will/can trade with you (The Americans and Canadians at this time were the worlds breadbasket, and the war with Britain was refusing trade with them, the Soviets had no food to spare as Stalin was regulating food stores away from farmers in order to maintain control) this leads you to only one option, fight or starve.

Obviously he chose to fight, the ideological differences were just icing on the cake, he could keep his troops motivated through anti-bolshevik propaganda, meanwhile solving his food crisis.

My point is, if the Brits accepted Peace with the Fascists, the Fascists would have been able to feed themselves through trade - goods for food.

That was his original plan, which is why he was so adamant about peace.

>>23093754
>Neither was any deal the germans offered as long as the Nazis or Hitler stayed in power.
I want to gloss over this, because it's interesting to me...

You damn the Axis powers for waging an ideological war to the east, yet say it's just for Churchill to do the same? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, just merely trying to understand what it is you're getting at... Because to me, Churchill is blown up as a hero but through his diary and the personal accounts of his staff, he sounded more like a drunk lunatic. Wanting to use Chemical warfare (banned by the Geneva convention) on Germany is just one example, thank god his staff talked him out of that...

>>23093546
Oh that's ok. I hit an H6K with 3 or 4 RS-82 rockets from my I-16 and it shrugged them off with no damage. Secret Japanese deflector shielding...

>>23086979
>RamThunder
>QueueThunder
Those are the options.

>>23091953
"Inverted vertical reversement"

>>23093879
Who knows where Hitler would have stopped, there was still the Elsass and the 'shame' brought by the 'stab in the back' from 1918.
By going to war against Poland, he crossed a line he should had.

>Rotterdam
Rotterdam was bombed because the capitulation was a few minutes 'too late', still - no reason to destroy an old city. Such is not an act of war, it's an act of barbarism.

These bombing escalated when Göbbels wanted to bomb (after coventry) one city after another into the ground until the brits capitulated, the nazis started it, let them have it.

Don't forget that the germans bombed London once in the first WW with Zeppelins, the brits know exactly what they can expect.

>Peace
Of course he wanted peace, he know that the would have to deal with resistance and he would be better off being the only nation in whole europe with an army. He would have turned the treaty of versailles around and punished whole europe for the 'shame of 1918'.

>Food
The EU will help and the EU is obligated to help the farmers, and it wouldn't be the first time.
The EU is destroying on a regular basis million tons of food to keep the prices stable - this one will be no exception

>Food deals with the soon-Allies
Or stop war, step back and regret, but Hitlers ego was greater than the well-being of his nation.
No deals with fanatics, fascism, islamism, communism, fundamentalism and any other kind have to die.
No deal with nazis, none - either capitulate or die.

>Churchill
Churchill was the reaction of the last remaining free nation against the totalitarianism on the european continent.
Would you make deals with Nazis?
Would you make deals with Islamists?
No, I trust them to do every wicked and sick thing you can imagine - and they have proven their barbaric spirit. I'm better prepared for everything they will throw at me. And the same thing thought Churchill about the and was right about it.

Anywa, good nigth!

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Yo. OP here. Seems the fucking weekend brings out the edgy nazi hitleryouth. If you guys wanna play warthunder (the original topic of the thread). Hit me up http://steamcommunity.com/id/soisawc/

>>23094387

Fuck you OP. Would have played with you until this post. And I've been monitoring this thread from the beginning.

>>23094387
How am I "edgy Nazi Hitler youth?" what because I don't buy into fairy tales of "de evil nazis!1"

Fuck off, if you can't handle real history, don't comment on it.

>>23094280
Well, I suppose it's just time to agree to disagree, I base my historical knowledge on documented events, I'll capitulate the Rotterdam point to you, but only after you admit that the Germans did not start targeting civilian targets first, that was the actions of Churchill.

The EU destroying food isn't going to help the current crisis Poland is facing due to their sanctions on Russia. I don't fully agree with what Putin is doing in Ukraine, but then again I wouldn't want one of my country's jugular's to be torn away from me, so It's a bit of a tricky situation. To me it seems like more Western fear mongering because they have to sell the American people war, because that's all their money is based on now. Such is as the fleeting days of Rome.

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>>23094591
>>23094441
everybody talking about WWII politics in this thread has no fucking care about the intentions of the initial conversation posed about warthunder and is then shitposting.
stop shitposting hitleryouth.
>>23086966
>ITT: Warthunder Discussions
>why don't you follow your "peaceful" leader's example and fucking kill yourself.

>>23094591
I will remind you of Legion Condor in Spain and the bombing of Guernica, later Barcelona.
After Rotterdam, no one cared anymore about civilian casualties.

>poland cannot into apple sale
No, but the EU will help, thats the reason why we pay taxes; to help our neighbours in need.

Putin think that the nations in the Russian periphery are Russians property and have no sovereignty, instead living in brotherhood together he want to rule with boots and tanks.
The Ukrainian people made it clear since and pre 2004 that they want to become a part of the EU, like every east european nation who had to live under the terror of the reds. They run away from russia like a child from her abusive father, raping her for decades.
Putin successfully split the nation in 2 parts, in ethnic russians and everything that is not russian. He created a cult about a moral and racial superior christian orthodox russian aryan who is better than everybody else. If you disagree, you are a jew, paid by the CIA or a brainwashed victim of the degeneracy of the west, also a homosexual and fascist.
The cold war isn't really over for these people, they think they got backstabbed - economical plundered by the winners and military humiliated but never defeated in the field by another army and now it's time to reclaim their position in the world order.
It's all about a broken ego of a nation and now it is time to get them down on the ground. No 3.reich - russian edition.

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I played casually. I wasn't very good. I had fun though.

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I would like this game better if the American planes could actually hold their own against germans and ruskies. As it is I'm stuck with a bunch of slow turning, poorly armed flying coffins that don't even get the benefit of extra durability. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't american planes have a reputation for carrying their pilots home alive after taking tons of punishment?

Damn biased russians

>>23094591
Didn't ze germans bomb civilians at Guernica?

>>23094863
> If you disagree, you are a jew, paid by the CIA or a brainwashed victim of the degeneracy of the west, also a homosexual and fascist.
>If you disagree with me, that means that you are a jew
Stop shitting up this board with nonsensical banter you fuck

>>23096096
I quite liked some of them. Some of them have a lot of gun for their tier and if i remember right climb pretty damn quickly. Stop turnfighting

>>23096096
American planes are really good, you just have to play them differently. You never, ever, under any circumstances turn with someone. You have to leverage a height advantage, as Americans in general hold energy through turns better than any other nation. Then you dive in, take one pass on a guy, and dive out before he can react. A Hellcat with a height advantage over a Zero, and a good pilot will win ten times out of ten because the Zero can't follow it and can't get away.

>>23096096
but they are good (not great or OP like Rus)

stop trying to fly them like fighters, my 6 .50 cals rape ass

>>23096135

Yeah, but one pass with 6 .50s isn't going to damage anything. I've dumped entire magazines of .50 into russian planes and I almost never bring home a kill, most of my kills are from the 37mm on the Cobras

>>23096146
fly realistic battles

but yeah russian planes are hard to kill you may have to take a few passes or really focus on convergence of fire

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>>23096063

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>>23096096
The whole "russian bias" meme is parroted by those who have never played historical or realism mode. The only place the russian planes are good is in arcade, most of them completely and irrevocably suck complete ass in the modes where actual flight physics and limited ammunition are involved

>>23096164

I would ply historical or realism if I could find a game with tier 3 American planes within a reasonable timeframe but why wait 15 minutes when I can just get an arcade match in 30 seconds?

Please let em know if I'm being retarded here, but I just can't find any historic games as American

>>23091713
>no fatigue or stress simulation
U wot m8, all of your stats are affected by fatigue including resistance to G forces, accuracy and response time in realism mode