ITT : Guns that should still be in service.

Please list the advantages over an Mp5

>>23076053
It incorrectly feeds if you grip the mag.
Checkmate

>>23076053
It looks pretty neat

>>23076043
>SMG's
>Having any advantage over assault rifles or carbines

>>23076053
It's longer

>>23076053
You will look better shooting innocents with it

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>>23076062

The MP5 or the MP40 FTFs?

Either way, I must concede victory, as checkmate has been declared

>>23076043
>jams
>not an mp5
>mag=grip is bad
>german soldiers preferred a ppsh

>>23076053
32 rounds over standard 15 rounds.
Slightly less noticeable recoil.
The production costs would be more than the mp5's

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ITT: guns that should be in my safe.

>>23076081
>look better
>using German Nazi Gun.

>>23076062
>Please list the advantages over an Mp5
>It incorrectly feeds if you grip the mag.
How the fuck is that an ADVANTAGE?

>hurr durr checkmate
Reading comprehension: None

>>23076090
Mp40 was one of the biggest flaws reported

>>23076110
The MP5's standard magazine carries 30 rounds.

>>23076110
>32 rounds over standard 15 rounds.

You can get 30rd MP5 magazines these days.

>>23076098
>>german soldiers preferred a ppsh

Just like american soldiers pick up an AK first thing in combat?

[citation needed]

>>23076120
Ye ain't too bright are ya?

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Tell me why the stg 44 is still not in service.

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>tfw the idea of a multi-purpose weapon system is dead
>tfw you will never use a standard assault-rifle as a LMG and DMR

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>>23076043
/bread

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>>23076111
Now this is something I can get behind

>>23076166
The reason is simple. Muh Holocaust

>>23076166
Becuz 7.92x33kurz, stoopid

>>23076176
I still don't understand how this gun works, and I don't want to.

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>>23076176
>That lack of recoil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV6WHA2efm4

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>>23076196
Still in production and similar to one of the most wide-used assault rifle cartridge ever.

>>23076053
Because it's sexier.

>>23076221
How do they fit 20 of those bullets into such a tiny box?

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Checkmate, OP

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>>23076043

>>23076176


T-H-I-S.

We went for 20 years without a good SAW when the Stoner was better than the 249 all along

>>23076233
You squeeze them down a bit- you know, like mashing a foam earplug. Same principle.

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>>23076233
Serb cardboard magic.

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The Constitution says so

>>23076233
The box can stretch to accommodate anything that's inserted into it, within reason.

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>>23076233
The mags aren't really small.
They're pretty wide.

>>23076147
the 30 rd MP5 mag has been out alot longer than the 15 rd mag

>>23076271
You're pretty wide ;)

>>23076280

>4 u

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>>23076166
Because there are better things that exist that aren't your gunporn fantasy

Fuck off

>>23076204
Magic, slavs do it too

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>>23076043
>Meanwhile, in Libya.

>>23076289
Hot damn, you're not wide. You're an automobile

>>23076221
Yes, because a cartridge that loses 90% of it's velocity after 300m is useful these days.

/sarcasm

>>23076291
I was only asking a question you twat.

>>23076303

sounds ideal for all these overpenetration whiners

>>23076244
Kek

>>23076291
Is that a FAMAS?

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>>23076292
Those Arab Spring wars were milsurp heaven.

>>23076265
Imagine going room to room/slicing the pie with that.
>Breaching Breaching!
>Boom
>Your guys clear the room
>Shots miss for some reason.
>Bayonets, knives, tomahawks, gunstocks, and fists
>CLEAR!

>>23076166
Weren't some kebabs in Syria using it?

>>23076098
>Picking up a bronco over almost 0 recoil

>>23076216
What the fuck.

Why wasnt this adopted?

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Shittiest infantry weapon in ww2.
Prove me wrong /k/.

>>23076173
The IAR the Marines use is kind of going with that idea

>>23076358
2lethal4u

>>23076360
>Prove me wrong /k/.
The Soviets won

/thread

>>23076072

There are times for each.

>>23076358
Politics, same as every other weapon in the past 100 years.

>>23076233
It's bigger on the inside.

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>>23076377
>The soviets won.
This is what slaboos actually believe
Having 8.5m dead troops and the highest casualty rate isn't what I call winning.

.30-06 tanker M1 Garand in sage ebr chassis fed by non-sucky M1918 mags

>>23076418
Surrendering is more losing than dying

>>23076424
Just get an M1a you fucking mong

>>23076418
No, but sacking the enemy capital and having their leader kill himself does

>>23076435
m1a shouldn't even had to exist in the first place
yes im implying they didnt do it right

>>23076358
because we had just adopted a different firearm to fill the role.

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>>23076418
>Having 8.5m dead troops and the highest casualty rate isn't what I call winning.

Yes, because having your country occupied for 50 years and your women raped is winning.

>this is what polfags actually believe.

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>>23076418
>Germans
>win

lolnope

>>23076474
>occupied for 50 years

2014-1945 isn't 50, anon.

>>23076501
dat FG 42

>>23076502
1945+50=1995

1995<2014

where did you learn math? just curious

>>23076043

Fun Fact: In 1974 the LAPD got into a prolonged firefight with members of the Symbionese Liberation Army, with the LAPD using multiple MP-40's, and the SLA using illicitly converted M2 Carbines.

>>23076529
I heard of this.
Lifetime supply of keks.

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>>23076303
Check your engagement ranges. It is useful unless you're a marksman.

>>23076418
>Implying the Soviets didn't march on Berlin
>Implying the Soviets didn't turn the city into a bombed out ruin
>Implying the Soviets didn't take a shit on everything they could take a shit on
>Implying the Soviets didn't rape so much women that the Aryan race was pretty much contaminated entirely by glorious slav DNA
>Implying Hitler didn't kill himself like the sissy little bitch he was because Slavs were marching to rape his ass until he died of rectal trauma
Oh /pol/, you silly stormfags.

>>23076529
>with the LAPD using multiple MP-40's

It all makes sense now.

>>23076523
... are you retarded?

>>23076235
anyone smell that? smells like burning plastic

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Is this WW2's best LMG?

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>>23076529
The LAPD also had a shitton of AR-18s too.

>mfw

>>23076075
>It's longer
It's also Stronger, and ready to get the friction on.

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>>23076559
>Too acurate
>supposed to be a SAW and lay down supressive fire

>mfw

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>>23076559

nope

>>23076548
>implying all the talent remaining in the German military wasn't focused on stymieing the western allies
>implying the soviets didn't just go in the back door the Germans had left open

oh anon, you silly slavaboo

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>>23076573

That's a wierd way to spell MG 34...

>>23076216
I finally understand why that was the most OP gun in Black Ops.

Because it was OP in real life.

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>>23076582
No, no, It's pronounced Browning M1919... A6 to be exact.

>>23076548
>>Implying the Soviets didn't rape so much women that the Aryan race was pretty much contaminated entirely by glorious slav DNA

This myth bothers me, does nobody realize that the soviet captured part of germany isnt even half the size, much less half the population of modern germany?

>>23076582
You win this time anon

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>>23076577
Does it really matter how it happened? The fascist lost and they lost hard.

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>>23076606
>Heavy as fuck
>slow ass ROF
>the best

10/10 made me kek

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My dream is to start producing these for civilians in a variety of calibers from 5.56 to 5.45 to 6.5 to .300 blk to 7.62x39

>>23076053
M-muh nazis!

>>23076577
>implying the soviets didn't just go in the back door the Germans had left open

I'm having a hard time understanding how you think 90% of the german militarty getting killed by slavs and the soviets installing a puppet government is somehow germany winning.

And no, all the 'talent' was shifted back and forth between the fronts. Tons of German 'Aces' fought on both sides and died there.

>>23076623
The Germans lost and improved their countries making them one of the most financially advanced countries in the world whilst the ruskies stay behind their primitive communism lifting logs and squatting in tracksuits all day.

>>23076646
>90%.
You seem to forget the Brits' bombing runs.

>>23076610
>does nobody realize that the soviet captured part of germany isnt even half the size, much less half the population of modern germany?

Do you not realize in 1939-45 most of the German population was located around Berlin? AKA the entire region they fucking captured?

Today it is different because the DDR did not see tremendous population growth comparable to the west, retard.

>>23076647
Yeah, that did happen. Doesn't stop the fact that the Nazi's lost the war.

>>23076680
>in 1939-45 most of the German population was located around Berlin

[citation needed]

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>>23076646
>'m having a hard time understanding how you think 90% of the german militarty getting killed by slavs
Which didn't happen...
>soviets installing a puppet government is somehow germany winning.
Over the shitty half that lagged 20 years behind the rest of Europe? GG Russia, GG
>is somehow germany winning.
Somehow "Russia didn't win the war" equates to "Germany won".

You are now aware Russia only survived from 42 to 45 courtesy of lend lease, you are now aware after the Sicily landings and then later with the Normandy landings the most experienced units of the Wermacht and Waffen SS were moved to the Western front.

>tfw assrekt slavaboo revisionism and cognitive dissonance

>>23076656
You're right, it was only 80%

> The German armed forces suffered 80% of its military deaths in the Eastern Front.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)#Results

>>23076647
What happened afterwords wasn't the point being argued. What was being argued is that in no way, shape or form did Germany win WW2.

At least there are no sandniggers in eastern europe like they are in 'aryan' germany.
Enjoy getting suicide bombed at your beer hall

>>23076720
>Enjoy getting suicide bombed at your beer hall

Enjoy getting suicide bombed in a skyscraper ... with planes ... again!

>>23076709
>Which didn't happen...
see >>23076720

>Over the shitty half that lagged 20 years behind the rest of Europe? GG Russia, GG

Not arguing communism is fun. Not gonna argue they didn't blowup every building in the east either.

>Somehow "Russia didn't win the war" equates to "Germany won".

The German government fell. The German economy and population was decimated. The entire German land was occupied by Allied Armys. You. Lost.

>You are now aware Russia only survived from 42 to 45 courtesy of lend lease

And this somehow makes them not winners...?

>you are now aware after the Sicily landings and then later with the Normandy landings the most experienced units of the Wermacht and Waffen SS were moved to the Western front.

They. Still. Lost.

>tfw assrekt slavaboo revisionism and cognitive dissonance

Please, back to stormfront or /pol/ with you

>>23076720
>sandniggers in eastern europe

Chechens friend.

They blow themselves up pretty often as well.

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>>23076656
Do people honestly forget/not know about the 6th army that was completely annihilated in Stalingrad?

The Germans gave a good effort, they were against the might of 2 of the strongest empires on Earth, the Brits and the Americans. We all know that without the American supplies flooding into Britain/Russia they'd have suffered the same fate as everyone else the Germans conquered.

If Britain didn't have that channel, they'd have been as dead as the french, if Russia didn't have the massive amounts of Trucks, Planes, Ships, Munitions coming in from the US, they'd also be dead.

Moral of the story - Don't fuck with the US, it's the modern equivalent of the Roman Empire. I find it funny how many jingoistic morons will argue this fact due to their own myopic nationalism. Yet you wouldn't argue the power of the dead empires, like the Mongols, or Brits.

Though I suppose this is /k/... Historic fact doesn't really shunt your fantasies of the British doing everything all on their own, or equally so the Russians because we all worship their rifles.

>>23076764
>80% of sustained casualties somehow being 90% of the total Army
What r mathz?

>a whole fuck ton of of false equivocations that lead slavaboos to "Russia won the war"
Read, retard...the point is that Russia did NOT win WWII they entered through the back door while the Western Allies were keeping Germany's REAL armed forces occupied at the front.

>I lack reading comprehension or the ability to grasp context so I'm going to call you a stormfag, my win!

>>>/pol/ is that way bruh

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>>23076816
>Read, retard...the point is that Russia did NOT win WWII they entered through the back door while the Western Allies were keeping Germany's REAL armed forces occupied at the front.

Why aren't stripper clips used over detachable magazines more? Is the easier loading and better protection of a magazine really worth the extra space and money?

>>23076176
The only really true answer in the thread.

>>23076851
>casualty numbers indicating which units were where
>not knowing the history any better than that

Keep trying sport

>>23076851
I don't really have a dog in this fight but I can most definitely say that the Japanese did NOT lose 320,000 men killed in Manchuria against the Soviets. Even the most heavily inflated Soviet claim was a little less than 150,000 TOTAL Japanese casualties (including dead, wounded, missing and captured) from 1939-45. Unless that chart is also counting Japanese casualties inflicted by the Chinese in Manchuria, and even then I'm not so sure.

Beretta 38/42 was better

>>23076053
Ghetto blaster.

>>23076265
this

>>23076709
The correct statistic is 80% of German casualties were on the Eastern front of WWII. 90% of army killed there is too much, since casualties includes wounded and MIA (captured and taken to gulags)

>>23076360
It was reliable, easy to produce, rapid firing, compact, robust, and could accept 72 round magazines

>>23076928
*My bad, I think I was looking at figures that separated the August Storm invasion in '45 from all of the border conflicts prior to that. Still, that chart claims something like 250,000+ Japanese KIAs against the Soviets in 1945 which is definitely false. At its highest the number was like 80-90,000.

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>>23076900

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>>23076360
>mfw Germans loved it

Shot a good round, didn't jam and ain't afraid of nothin.

>>23076987
>numbers, not specific units

You are aware that most of those divisions on the eastern front by 45 were lebensraum conscripts, prisoner battalions, and anyone who had a bone to pick with Stalin, right? Or are you going to keep pretending that the best the Germans had to offer wasn't being thrown at the west.

>>23076573
>>23076582
the Pakistan still use those, they have their own homemade version, hell the pac are still using t34

>>23077021
the ppsh41 was a modified ppd which was a copy of the german mp28

>>23076196
It's basically .300 Blackout.

>>23076502

i didin't know east berlin existed in 2014 anon, thanks for sharing

>>23076435
Heeeeelllllll Noooooooooo

>>23076573
That is certainly a weird way to spell MG-34...

>>23077033
>most of those divisions on the eastern front by 45 were lebensraum conscripts, prisoner battalions, and anyone who had a bone to pick with Stalin, right?
source?

>>23076596
Was proven obsolete halfway through the war, expensive, heavy as fuck, etc. I own one, it's a blast to shoot, but it has no place in today's armies as sad as I am to admit it.

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>>23076573
Spain uses and produces a modified mg42 in 5.56, the CETME Ameli, which is pretty awesome.

>>23077071
And?

>>23076606
>> keked

Yup, because when 90% of those issued were converted back to firing from the M2 tripod, it was successful

Also,

>> nevah been dund befoe
Fuck Red Jacket.

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>>23077132
>> Ameli
>> Awesome
>> mfw

Jamming POS that they never got to work quite right.

>>23076573
>>23076582
Also, MG3

>>23077139
there is a certain irony to it

They favoured the modifed version of the gun they no longer used instead of the new guns they got.

>>23077071
Quiero PaPaSha

>>23077053
What the fuck does their T-34s even do against M1A1s?

>>23077053
Pakistan uses the MG 3, just like Germany and a bunch of other first world nations still do. Actual MG 42s have become a rare sight, even in africa.

>>23076358
Too expensive

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The M40 recoilless does everything a TOW missile, AT4 (piece of shit) and Carl Gustav better and for cheaper. The only downside is the weight.

>>23077257
>and the mobility
>and the size

>>23077271
Lighter than a TOW missile launcher.

Oh and it is much better than the TOW missile for shooting at non-armored targets.

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>>23076043
ITT: Stormfags getting buttmad

also, I would say the suomi SMG, but that was retired in 90 after 89 years of service to finland. Did what it did superbly and lived past its time, couldnt ask for more.

>>23077257

Besides penetrating the armor of anything above an early model T-62.

>>23077257
go away

>>23076330
yep & they crop up in africa.
>>23076610
western poland used to be eastern germany
.>>23076720
>At least there are no sandniggers in eastern europe like they are in 'aryan' germany.
Just roma.

>>23076548
i thought he escaped to the whitest place on earth...

Argentina. at least thats what the book the grey wolf says, anhd its pretty well researched.

>>23076360
its better than the japanese smg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_100_submachine_gun
and if you are including full size machine guns both the japanese and italians had worse.

the ppsh was reliable and easy to manufacture the drum mag was less so but box mags were available

>>23076111
All of them pls

>>23076318
Groza

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>>23077910
The Japs had one LMG that was actually pretty damn good, from everything I've heard.

>>23076502
I think he meant that USSR would be occupied for 50 years had the Germans won.

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>>23076147
You can get 100rd MP5 magazines these days, even. I also have a 40rd stick mag for mine.

>>23076150
I believe there were incidents of this in 'Nam. Not as widespread as some would say but soldiers were very discontent with the A1

>>23077126
this information is common knowledge to anyone with at least a basic knowledge of the eastern front, dipshit

>>23078437
muh dick...

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>>23077132
soo sexy

>>23076318
lel

>>23078261
It was pretty good for the time. Low mag capacity, tendency towards unreliability (when compared to American counterparts), and upward-fed magazine.

Though the idea of having a bayonet lug on your LMG is both metal and Japanese as fuck.

>>23076360
>muh 7.62 Tok

>>23076235
enjoy your tuna melt.

>>23076642
6.5x55 pls

>>23077282
so what if you run into an armored target?

the TOW can kill both.

>>23076235
It is in service in Malaysia and in PMCs.

>>23079312
Nice Wikipedia copypasta. Malaysian SF by the way, not the entire military.

>>citation needed

>>23076216
What I haven't really fired a lot of 556 but is this gun just really heavy or does that round not produce lots of recoil? Seriously, that like some fucking wizard tier magic going on.

>>23079145
>Low mag capacity
It could hold 30 rounds, same as the Bren...

>tendency towards unreliability
Never heard anything about this regarding the Type 99. You're probably thinking of the Type 11.

Overall I'd say the T99 was definitely superior to the BAR as a LMG, though of course that's not saying much. I'd say it was at least the equal of the Bren from what I've read about it.

>>23079351
That still counts.

You havent seen the pics posted on here?

Lurk harder.

>>23076556

Are you?

>>23079429
My dad's buddy has a Type 99, it is probably one of the best functioning, most comfortable LMGs of the war that I've shot.

>>23079468
In the original 7.7x58 chambering? Must be expensive as hell to shoot if so.

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>>23076120

>>23079552
Yeah, he was able to get a bunch of reloading dies and good brass for it from the guy he'd bought it from. Really cool gun, if it weren't a snowflake caliber it'd be a good one to have.

Guy's also got an MG42...I have to say, it's impressive, but not all that great to shoot.

>>23076418
Oh Jesus. Are you the samefag who was going on and on last week on how Germany won WWI because the French needed British and Russian assistance?

>>23076292
This upsets me. I want a god damn mp-40

>>23079849
You can usually find them for between $8000 and $15K depending on condition

>>23076053
its 35 numbers bigger.
>40>5

Prove me wrong /k/.

>>23076577
>implying the western front wasnt a place they sent german soldiers as a reward for good service so they didint have to fight the fucking ivan
>implying that the front which had more deaths than ww1 and in which the largest land battle in history took place was a "back door" that the germans "left open"

/pol/ is just mad that their idol turned out to be such a bitch pussy and shot himself

If are boys in Iraq had 1911s and garands there wouldn't have been anyone left to form isis

>>23076764
He's suggesting that America won the war, not the soviets you fucking pissant.

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>>23076764
Holy shit the autism is real
>population was decimated.
So the Soviets made 9 out of 10 people beat the 1 out of 10 to death?
>Armys
You retard, 0/10
>Adding periods after You. and Lost to add emphasis
The extra chromosomes are real, go back to cod, Mr. Autismo

>>23080132

>autism
>caused by extra chromosomes

Nice picture, did you take that one from your childhood photo album?

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>>23080175
Caring about autism enough to understand it, instead of just making blind fun of it
If Bruce Willis was in a movie about your life it would be called Try Hard

>>23079877
Yeah sure let me just get a job where I can spend 8-15k willy nilly

>>23080132
>getting this assmad over typos and emphasis
>autism

top fucking kek

>>23079312
>in service with PMCs
Bit of an exaggeration, there was that one guy that carried the carbine variant while pulling airport security, its hardly standard issue. He died BTW.

>>23079260
this, i have one in 5.56, but i would give my left nut for one in 6.5x55

Does anyone.els ever wonder what a modern Stg would look like, had the Germans won or at least held Germany to a truce, and kept developing it?

>>23076806
6th army getting fucked at stalingrad was courtesy of Hitler deciding to ignore the generals on the ground and push a no retreat policy, its really a poor example in that regard. otherwise spot on

>Search "FAL"
>Zero result

FUCK ALL OF YOU

>>23078570
So you're admitting you're full of shit.

>>23081012
not exactly. If you really look into things, Hitler didn't do go full retard (read: ignoring any real logic and issuing insane orders) until late 1944.

The loss of the 6th Army at Stalingrad was the result of several factors
>the success of the Demyansk airlift
Earlier that year, a pocket of 100,000 troops were trapped at Demyansk, only for a successful airlift effort to relieve them until the blockade could be broken. The Germans assumed that they could apply this experience to Stalingrad, not understanding that the VVS had learned much from their failed blockade.
>exhausted forces
Even if a breakout was attempted, Army Group South lacked the ability to break the blockade. Although an immediate breakout wasn't attempted, breakouts were attempted eventually, and they quickly failed.

Really a lot of the blunders that Hitler gets the blame for only are apparent in retrospect, up until 1945. Once 1945 came around, you had things like
>refusing to withdraw forces from Courland and Norway because of a presumed launching point for further attacks into the Soviet Union
>Hitler's maps showing units up to 250 miles from their actual locations
>On the eve of the Vistula-Oder offensive, declared the Soviet forces spotted by German intelligence "The greatest impostor since Genghis Khan"

>>23080959
It would look like a G3
>I'm serious
Look up the development of the Gerat

>>23076806
You're on the right track.

The Soviets didn't kill Germany alone, and neither did the US/Britain.

It was a combined effort. Without the Lend-Lease and Allied operations drawing German forces to other fronts, the Soviets likely would have collapsed. But without the Eastern Front, Anglo-American efforts in the west would have been horrifically costly at best.

The war was not won by any single power. It took American factories, British ingenuity, and Russian blood.

>>23076166
Some African country still uses it in it's Defense Force.

>>23076647
Cause NATO rebuilt their entire infrastructure AFTER bombing the shit out of it.

>>23080959
Wolfenstien the New Order, check it out.

>>23076166
>overly complicated
>sensitive as fuck
>heavy

>>23077203
T-34 vs RPG7

What happens?

>>23076965
Underrated posy

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Still used a bit, but definitely doesn't get the love it deserves.

>>23076418
> the side who kills more people wins

Fucking Vietnam logic strikes again

>>23077129
>I own one
Bullshit. I will suck your wang if you post a time-stamped pick of even just one round of 20mm.

>>23082199
Gimedeposyplsb0ss

>>23079932
I honestly always wondered what would happen if some some reason we were still issued old gear how it would affect combat performance.

>>23076043
OP, if the MP-40 should still be in service, why did soldiers on the Eastern Front elect the PPsH models over their own weapons at almost any opportunity?

Granted the MP-40 is a sexy fucking gun

>>23076360
>SMG firing 7.62
>Rarely Jammed
>Elected as avtomat of choice on western front by both sides
>Cheap as fuck to produce
>Good rate of fire

Only negative thing about it was its drum mags that would often cause feeding issues. This was easily remedied by box magazines.

>>23083272
We have cases of allied soldiers in the western front using MP40 over their own weapons man.

It's just preference.

>>23083272
>why did soldiers on the Eastern Front elect the PPsH models over their own weapons
Ammo availability, supply lines for 9mm Luger weren't reliable, especially late in the war. Not to mention higher rate of fire was more desirable in tight city environments.

>>23076606
>easily the worst and most outdated LMG used in WW2

>>23079145
>upward fed

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>>23077367
If I remember correctly, Finland used 88 mm FlaK 18 until the goddamn 21st century. They were used as coastal defence guns.

>>23078570
>being this full of shit

>>23077126
it is common knowledge that by 1945 the Germans were throwing anybody able to fight into both fronts.

>>23083564

I think you meant 1944.