The MP5 or the MP40 FTFs?
Either way, I must concede victory, as checkmate has been declared
>tfw the idea of a multi-purpose weapon system is dead
>tfw you will never use a standard assault-rifle as a LMG and DMR
Now this is something I can get behind
The reason is simple. Muh Holocaust
>That lack of recoil
Still in production and similar to one of the most wide-used assault rifle cartridge ever.
Serb cardboard magic.
The mags aren't really small.
They're pretty wide.
Because there are better things that exist that aren't your gunporn fantasy
Magic, slavs do it too
Those Arab Spring wars were milsurp heaven.
Imagine going room to room/slicing the pie with that.
>Your guys clear the room
>Shots miss for some reason.
>Bayonets, knives, tomahawks, gunstocks, and fists
>The soviets won.
This is what slaboos actually believe
Having 8.5m dead troops and the highest casualty rate isn't what I call winning.
>Having 8.5m dead troops and the highest casualty rate isn't what I call winning.
Yes, because having your country occupied for 50 years and your women raped is winning.
>this is what polfags actually believe.
Fun Fact: In 1974 the LAPD got into a prolonged firefight with members of the Symbionese Liberation Army, with the LAPD using multiple MP-40's, and the SLA using illicitly converted M2 Carbines.
Check your engagement ranges. It is useful unless you're a marksman.
>Implying the Soviets didn't march on Berlin
>Implying the Soviets didn't turn the city into a bombed out ruin
>Implying the Soviets didn't take a shit on everything they could take a shit on
>Implying the Soviets didn't rape so much women that the Aryan race was pretty much contaminated entirely by glorious slav DNA
>Implying Hitler didn't kill himself like the sissy little bitch he was because Slavs were marching to rape his ass until he died of rectal trauma
Oh /pol/, you silly stormfags.
>supposed to be a SAW and lay down supressive fire
>implying all the talent remaining in the German military wasn't focused on stymieing the western allies
>implying the soviets didn't just go in the back door the Germans had left open
oh anon, you silly slavaboo
No, no, It's pronounced Browning M1919... A6 to be exact.
>>Implying the Soviets didn't rape so much women that the Aryan race was pretty much contaminated entirely by glorious slav DNA
This myth bothers me, does nobody realize that the soviet captured part of germany isnt even half the size, much less half the population of modern germany?
Does it really matter how it happened? The fascist lost and they lost hard.
>Heavy as fuck
>slow ass ROF
10/10 made me kek
My dream is to start producing these for civilians in a variety of calibers from 5.56 to 5.45 to 6.5 to .300 blk to 7.62x39
>implying the soviets didn't just go in the back door the Germans had left open
I'm having a hard time understanding how you think 90% of the german militarty getting killed by slavs and the soviets installing a puppet government is somehow germany winning.
And no, all the 'talent' was shifted back and forth between the fronts. Tons of German 'Aces' fought on both sides and died there.
The Germans lost and improved their countries making them one of the most financially advanced countries in the world whilst the ruskies stay behind their primitive communism lifting logs and squatting in tracksuits all day.
>does nobody realize that the soviet captured part of germany isnt even half the size, much less half the population of modern germany?
Do you not realize in 1939-45 most of the German population was located around Berlin? AKA the entire region they fucking captured?
Today it is different because the DDR did not see tremendous population growth comparable to the west, retard.
>'m having a hard time understanding how you think 90% of the german militarty getting killed by slavs
Which didn't happen...
>soviets installing a puppet government is somehow germany winning.
Over the shitty half that lagged 20 years behind the rest of Europe? GG Russia, GG
>is somehow germany winning.
Somehow "Russia didn't win the war" equates to "Germany won".
You are now aware Russia only survived from 42 to 45 courtesy of lend lease, you are now aware after the Sicily landings and then later with the Normandy landings the most experienced units of the Wermacht and Waffen SS were moved to the Western front.
>tfw assrekt slavaboo revisionism and cognitive dissonance
You're right, it was only 80%
> The German armed forces suffered 80% of its military deaths in the Eastern Front.
What happened afterwords wasn't the point being argued. What was being argued is that in no way, shape or form did Germany win WW2.
At least there are no sandniggers in eastern europe like they are in 'aryan' germany.
Enjoy getting suicide bombed at your beer hall
>Which didn't happen...
>Over the shitty half that lagged 20 years behind the rest of Europe? GG Russia, GG
Not arguing communism is fun. Not gonna argue they didn't blowup every building in the east either.
>Somehow "Russia didn't win the war" equates to "Germany won".
The German government fell. The German economy and population was decimated. The entire German land was occupied by Allied Armys. You. Lost.
>You are now aware Russia only survived from 42 to 45 courtesy of lend lease
And this somehow makes them not winners...?
>you are now aware after the Sicily landings and then later with the Normandy landings the most experienced units of the Wermacht and Waffen SS were moved to the Western front.
They. Still. Lost.
>tfw assrekt slavaboo revisionism and cognitive dissonance
Please, back to stormfront or /pol/ with you
Do people honestly forget/not know about the 6th army that was completely annihilated in Stalingrad?
The Germans gave a good effort, they were against the might of 2 of the strongest empires on Earth, the Brits and the Americans. We all know that without the American supplies flooding into Britain/Russia they'd have suffered the same fate as everyone else the Germans conquered.
If Britain didn't have that channel, they'd have been as dead as the french, if Russia didn't have the massive amounts of Trucks, Planes, Ships, Munitions coming in from the US, they'd also be dead.
Moral of the story - Don't fuck with the US, it's the modern equivalent of the Roman Empire. I find it funny how many jingoistic morons will argue this fact due to their own myopic nationalism. Yet you wouldn't argue the power of the dead empires, like the Mongols, or Brits.
Though I suppose this is /k/... Historic fact doesn't really shunt your fantasies of the British doing everything all on their own, or equally so the Russians because we all worship their rifles.
>80% of sustained casualties somehow being 90% of the total Army
What r mathz?
>a whole fuck ton of of false equivocations that lead slavaboos to "Russia won the war"
Read, retard...the point is that Russia did NOT win WWII they entered through the back door while the Western Allies were keeping Germany's REAL armed forces occupied at the front.
>I lack reading comprehension or the ability to grasp context so I'm going to call you a stormfag, my win!
>>>/pol/ is that way bruh
>Read, retard...the point is that Russia did NOT win WWII they entered through the back door while the Western Allies were keeping Germany's REAL armed forces occupied at the front.
I don't really have a dog in this fight but I can most definitely say that the Japanese did NOT lose 320,000 men killed in Manchuria against the Soviets. Even the most heavily inflated Soviet claim was a little less than 150,000 TOTAL Japanese casualties (including dead, wounded, missing and captured) from 1939-45. Unless that chart is also counting Japanese casualties inflicted by the Chinese in Manchuria, and even then I'm not so sure.
The correct statistic is 80% of German casualties were on the Eastern front of WWII. 90% of army killed there is too much, since casualties includes wounded and MIA (captured and taken to gulags)
*My bad, I think I was looking at figures that separated the August Storm invasion in '45 from all of the border conflicts prior to that. Still, that chart claims something like 250,000+ Japanese KIAs against the Soviets in 1945 which is definitely false. At its highest the number was like 80-90,000.
>mfw Germans loved it
Shot a good round, didn't jam and ain't afraid of nothin.
>numbers, not specific units
You are aware that most of those divisions on the eastern front by 45 were lebensraum conscripts, prisoner battalions, and anyone who had a bone to pick with Stalin, right? Or are you going to keep pretending that the best the Germans had to offer wasn't being thrown at the west.
Spain uses and produces a modified mg42 in 5.56, the CETME Ameli, which is pretty awesome.
Jamming POS that they never got to work quite right.
The M40 recoilless does everything a TOW missile, AT4 (piece of shit) and Carl Gustav better and for cheaper. The only downside is the weight.
ITT: Stormfags getting buttmad
also, I would say the suomi SMG, but that was retired in 90 after 89 years of service to finland. Did what it did superbly and lived past its time, couldnt ask for more.
yep & they crop up in africa.
western poland used to be eastern germany
>At least there are no sandniggers in eastern europe like they are in 'aryan' germany.
its better than the japanese smg
and if you are including full size machine guns both the japanese and italians had worse.
the ppsh was reliable and easy to manufacture the drum mag was less so but box mags were available
The Japs had one LMG that was actually pretty damn good, from everything I've heard.
You can get 100rd MP5 magazines these days, even. I also have a 40rd stick mag for mine.
It was pretty good for the time. Low mag capacity, tendency towards unreliability (when compared to American counterparts), and upward-fed magazine.
Though the idea of having a bayonet lug on your LMG is both metal and Japanese as fuck.
What I haven't really fired a lot of 556 but is this gun just really heavy or does that round not produce lots of recoil? Seriously, that like some fucking wizard tier magic going on.
>Low mag capacity
It could hold 30 rounds, same as the Bren...
>tendency towards unreliability
Never heard anything about this regarding the Type 99. You're probably thinking of the Type 11.
Overall I'd say the T99 was definitely superior to the BAR as a LMG, though of course that's not saying much. I'd say it was at least the equal of the Bren from what I've read about it.
Yeah, he was able to get a bunch of reloading dies and good brass for it from the guy he'd bought it from. Really cool gun, if it weren't a snowflake caliber it'd be a good one to have.
Guy's also got an MG42...I have to say, it's impressive, but not all that great to shoot.
>implying the western front wasnt a place they sent german soldiers as a reward for good service so they didint have to fight the fucking ivan
>implying that the front which had more deaths than ww1 and in which the largest land battle in history took place was a "back door" that the germans "left open"
/pol/ is just mad that their idol turned out to be such a bitch pussy and shot himself
Holy shit the autism is real
>population was decimated.
So the Soviets made 9 out of 10 people beat the 1 out of 10 to death?
You retard, 0/10
>Adding periods after You. and Lost to add emphasis
The extra chromosomes are real, go back to cod, Mr. Autismo
Caring about autism enough to understand it, instead of just making blind fun of it
If Bruce Willis was in a movie about your life it would be called Try Hard
6th army getting fucked at stalingrad was courtesy of Hitler deciding to ignore the generals on the ground and push a no retreat policy, its really a poor example in that regard. otherwise spot on
So you're admitting you're full of shit.
not exactly. If you really look into things, Hitler didn't do go full retard (read: ignoring any real logic and issuing insane orders) until late 1944.
The loss of the 6th Army at Stalingrad was the result of several factors
>the success of the Demyansk airlift
Earlier that year, a pocket of 100,000 troops were trapped at Demyansk, only for a successful airlift effort to relieve them until the blockade could be broken. The Germans assumed that they could apply this experience to Stalingrad, not understanding that the VVS had learned much from their failed blockade.
Even if a breakout was attempted, Army Group South lacked the ability to break the blockade. Although an immediate breakout wasn't attempted, breakouts were attempted eventually, and they quickly failed.
Really a lot of the blunders that Hitler gets the blame for only are apparent in retrospect, up until 1945. Once 1945 came around, you had things like
>refusing to withdraw forces from Courland and Norway because of a presumed launching point for further attacks into the Soviet Union
>Hitler's maps showing units up to 250 miles from their actual locations
>On the eve of the Vistula-Oder offensive, declared the Soviet forces spotted by German intelligence "The greatest impostor since Genghis Khan"
You're on the right track.
The Soviets didn't kill Germany alone, and neither did the US/Britain.
It was a combined effort. Without the Lend-Lease and Allied operations drawing German forces to other fronts, the Soviets likely would have collapsed. But without the Eastern Front, Anglo-American efforts in the west would have been horrifically costly at best.
The war was not won by any single power. It took American factories, British ingenuity, and Russian blood.
Still used a bit, but definitely doesn't get the love it deserves.
OP, if the MP-40 should still be in service, why did soldiers on the Eastern Front elect the PPsH models over their own weapons at almost any opportunity?
Granted the MP-40 is a sexy fucking gun
>SMG firing 7.62
>Elected as avtomat of choice on western front by both sides
>Cheap as fuck to produce
>Good rate of fire
Only negative thing about it was its drum mags that would often cause feeding issues. This was easily remedied by box magazines.
>why did soldiers on the Eastern Front elect the PPsH models over their own weapons
Ammo availability, supply lines for 9mm Luger weren't reliable, especially late in the war. Not to mention higher rate of fire was more desirable in tight city environments.
If I remember correctly, Finland used 88 mm FlaK 18 until the goddamn 21st century. They were used as coastal defence guns.