Let's talk about our favorite medieval/ non- firearm renaissance weapons. I'm personally a big fan of the poleaxe. It's versatile, hefty enough to get put through a lot of abuse without breaking (the steel parts anyway), and just plain cool looking. It's also badass because it was a knight weapon inspired by farming equipment peasants would fight with.
I love me some axes. Not exactly as flexible as a sword or a poleaxe, but whatever.
Viking swords are god tier swords. I would maybe only consider getting a saber because it is lighter and better suited to modern armorless fighting.
you know, cause I get in so many sword fights.
Otherwise I'm a big fan of any polearm.
what about a glaive? its a fucking knife on a stick.
Any other answer is objectively wrong.
That's right. Objectively. Your favorite renaissance weapon is the pike, even if you don't realize it.
That's a pretty impressive collection right there. It's almost sad that I can pretty much tell who makes all of those just from the amount of time I've spent browsing and dayydreaming about buying a nice weapon. That poleaxe is definitely the arms and armor one, because thats the same one I posted, and I'm prety sure that bastard sword to the right of it is an Angus Trim. I wish I coul afford to splurge like that
I like the idea of a flail although realistically I would probably end up hitting myself with it at some point
and not really medieval arms; but I like the idea of the batleth
By no means a main weapon, but still a nice and reliable side arm.
Where there ever any episodes where they had a Klingon fight a knight on the holodeck? I just feel like a guy with a proper sword or spear or axe would destroy the ass of someone trying to use a batleth.
Also I don't think you know what objectively means. If your objective is to make calvalry not just run the fuck in and slap shit or to kill one , maybe two guys before the enemy line inevitably breaks through and slaughters you and everyone else on the pike line, then sure. Different weapons were made for different OBJECTIVES though, and thats not what this thread is about.
Yeah, it's mechanically shit. The only way to get any real power out of it would be to grab one end and wield it one-handed, at which point you've got the world's most awkward one handed weapon. Two handed, it offers the reach of a couple of long knives and such little range of motion that the knives would actually be a better choice.
>I don't think you know what objectively means
I really hope this entire post was a bad joke. I'm autistic enough to not be able to tell but not so autistic that I can't wonder what the fuck you are on about if it's not a joke.
Might as well ask here.
What's the deal with Shield design? Was it more a cultural thing or what?
Those are toys.
But it probably has to do with purpose (a buckler and a tower shield aren't for the same thing), building techniques (your average gormless scandanavian gluing wood together is lucky enough to make something round and can't be expected to into shapes), and a good deal of culture as well.
Design? I assume pattern on the shield not the shape. Yeah various groups had various patterns for various reasons for example the Greeks had different things painted depending on what city state they were from.
I know they are toys, it's an example.
>Yeah various groups had various patterns for various reasons for example the Greeks had different things painted depending on what city state they were from.
Some city states like Sparta had the uniform shield thing going on being the fascists that they are.
In some other city states, they paint shit on shields based on preference of the owner. Most city state's hoplites bought their own equipment.
Dude you clearly don't read deep into history. Ancient Greek hoplites belonged to separate city states. Athenians had Alpha on their shield or an owl being symbols of Athena and the city. Some could paint whatever they wanted yet we see in the records certain city states had symbols on their shields that were usually local. Although some were universally used.
Also I should say that specific shield devices were used in certain areas and for different reasons at different times. For example some pottery pieces show hoplites running at the Olympics with letters on their shields. Some suspect this was to show the individual city states during the games, but the problem with that is that other pottery pieces show the races with other emblems and some show letters on shields when in battle so that could just be that specific instance. Messenians also were written to have used an "M" on their shields.
No I have a Greek dory pic related. It's about 7.5 on this one actually which is historically accurate.
Historically accurate in the sense that its the right shape for the head and butt spike and size. I couldn't get a hold of ash for this one and why would I buy iron or bronze that shit is expensive and this is only for testing. Also yes it is a "dory" why would you say otherwise?
The metal weighs pretty close to the iron originals and the main reason I used cheap materials is because I was testing overarm vs underarm so in this sense it was fine to use these materials.
>tfw the ancient Greeks domesticated dolphins and rode them into battle
It's weird thinking that the ancient Greeks had foot armor.
Being a Viking I have to go with the Axe. I have one of these guys on my lap at the moment. Paid $50 for it less than a week ago and its pretty bad ass. Did some heavy chopping of a stump with it and it retained the edge damn near perfectly. Very solid and can cleave through a person. The Axe however is nearly impossible to defend with, you've always got to be on the attack for the most part. I think its the best tool in terms of combat and non combat utility. That being said however I think that the poleaxe like OP posted is probably the best medieval weapon. The axe is limited in what you can do but if you do connect with it you're going to leave a mark.
I also have a warhammer that I'm modifying to look more medieval. That is a beast and a half. Really good spike and head on it.
But then again I love a Crossbow.
Right.... yeah it is. If you have someone who has skill and training in using a sword they're almost always going to be able to defeat an axe wielder unless the axe man has a shield involved or is constantly swinging the axe and not allowing an opening. You can use the haft to block but its not going to be able to really parry well and an axe is not balanced like a sword. It has the weight concentrated on the head and not the body where the sword is more balanced and easier to manipulate in combat.
Kebab and Frank alike feared these in the hand of the Oven Man.
no they aren, totally different design
you are a newfag compared to me, faggot.
> If you have someone who has skill and training in using a sword they're almost always going to be able to defeat an axe wielder
HAHAHAHAH oh god you are so fucking clueless
you speak as if you know what you are talking about, but you dont.
i dont even have to go into detals of why your wrong, for the simple fact that axes have, throughout history, been used in warfare, in both defence and offence.
you claim to be a viking but you dont understand how easy it is to reinforce the haft of an axe with some metal bands
you are fucking retarded
spoken like an armchair warrior
the weapon doesnt matter. the sooner you realize this the sooner you are on your way to not being a dumb fuck
says the bitch who made a "fallout shotgun" that looked terrible.
i do HEMA and can tell you that you are full of shit.
axes are both defensive as well as offensive, but you dont seem to understand that. all because you are an armchair warrior
It looks fine, you are a part of Fema?
i have no experience because i told you just how stupid you are telling me that axe vs longsword and longsword wins every time?
you are an armchair warrior because you dont take into account the fucking MILLIONS of variables that could happen, something you only learn about when you fight
something an armchair general like yourself does not do.
I never said that the longsword wins everytime I said that the longsword has more advantages than the axe. That if you took two people of equal skill and put them in an arena the longsword would win more than the axe most likely as it just has more advantages.
>the weapon doesnt matter
Then why on earth would civilizations make new weapons, eh? Why bother make a poleaxe when a bollock dagger can do the same job? Why make pikes when arming swords do the same job?
Skill matters, but don't pretend weapons don't make a big difference.
It was used because of how cheap it is to make same with a spear. The amount of metal for a spear and an axe is so much less than a sword. Wonder why the ancient Greeks mainly used a spear? Well its easy to make and very efficient for larger formations. Axes were also used as tools and as is generally known tools often are made into weapons or are used as weapons of war.
tell me how your argument is even relevent when i called you out on you saying AXE IS USELESS IN DEFENCE
AXE VS LONGSWORD LOL
just fuck off armchair warrior
when you admit you are wrong and that you are an armchair warrior, ill let you guys in on my secrets
until then fuck off, you know you are wrong, you even proved it by posting the armchair warrior bullshit you have been
you said it armchair warrior
fact is you have never fought someone with any weapon in HEMA let alone SCA or nerdlarp, and yet you think you know anything
put your trip back on, ignoring your posts faggot
>put your trip back on, ignoring your posts faggot
literally "LALALA, CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
And that dude left, same with everyone else in this thread because of your ceaseless shitposting.
I actually have my sparring rawlings longsword with me as well as the cutlass and the arming sword. We use these since my uni wont allow me to have a feder on campus. Where is your sparring equipment?
Chinese invent long sword for delegging horses.
Japan adapts it into the odachi.
China later re-adapts it back, because they evidently forgot what it was after a century. This sword was the subject of the film 'Sword Identity'.
so I guess you dont have any sparring equipment. I guess you're the armchair warrior now. As you have provided no evidence that you have dealt with swords.
>being a viking
Hurr durr my ancestors were vikings now i'm one too.
Just ignore and report the whiny, ignorant shit and post pictures of medieval weapons.
unlike you, i dont feel the need to post anything to justify myself, but if you ask nicely, ill post my sparring axe. you cant ask nicely though so keep on samefagging.
hes some faggot cosplayer, nothing more.
reporting someone for somthing you dont like wont work
just proves how retarded you are and how much you cannot even accept that you are wrong
>father is norwegian
>name is Erik
>have swedish, norwegian and danish blood
>grandfather was norwegian
I think that qualifies in so much as you can get to a modern viking lineage
I won't ask nicely so unless you post it you have no credibility also I bet you are part of a reenactment group. I don't know of any manuals that deal with axes other than two handed axes(I assume we are talking about one handed axes)
think i give a fuck what some armchair warrior thinks of me? you already proved how stupid you are in this thread, why would i want to justify myself to you, an armchair warrior?
>he didnt ask nicely
lol called it
You are baiting pretty hard nontheless what the other guys said is correct that a sword has far better offense and defense but that doesn't mean Axes lack these completly.
I'm the armchair warrior yet I have shown my sparring equipment and you have shown nothing. I can show my rotella if you would like since its pretty banged up from being hit with axes and swords.
>I bet you are part of a reenactment group
You say that like its a bad thing.
>BAIT MEME XD
you can tell who is new here on this board by their use of retarded as fuck memes, and the fact they clal anyone who they dont agree with a troll
notice how i dont agree with a lot of you, but im not calling you trolls? thats because im not pathetic like this newfag is.
>sword has far better offense and defense but that doesn't mean Axes
i never fucking claimed otherwise, read my posts, you utter dumb fuck
im calling out you armchair warriors because you are full of shit
>hes still trying to justify himself to me
how pathetic, armchair warrior
All I wanted was a good medieval thread.
Have that one anon tell me of the exploits of the ancient Greeks. That one anon that posted fancy armors. All the other anons having a good time talking about history.
Well if the mods did their job and people just reported instead of replying it would be fine.
To be fair though you also aren't tripping with a name like Erik the Red. I don't actually consider myself a Viking. I'm an American of Norwegian descent if anything but I say that because the name.
Reenactment groups are fine for the historical aspect of getting into period, the problem is that most times the groups meet very rarely, don't study historical manuals on fighting but they do study how they fought (if they do its not as in depth as HEMA),the fighting aspect is not the main purpose, and they often do not fight full contact (grappling, punches, etc). Good for some things but historical fighting is not up there. However there are some groups which are very well done while the ones i've seen in person are not very good in that aspect
I just keep making you look less knowledgeable and experienced with every post
the fact that I called you a troll is because you have been spamming "hurr durr Armchair general!" without saying anything else.
I never claimed that you claimed otherwise I just put in the fact that as a weapon Sword has better offense and defensive capabilities if you take away the other variables.
You are just very volatile and take every claim that doesn't contort to your view as an attack.
I keep asking i you want me to post something so you can actually see some sparring weapons as you probably have never held anything remotely close to a real weapon. Also me asking if you want to post anything in response to these pictures and you not posting anything doesn't help you prove you're not an armchair warrior.
learn to read, i said armchair warrior, not general, we are not discussing tactics here, we are discussing fucking fighting.
you dont even know what a troll is, and yet you call me one, with your stupid as fuck memes
its pathetic, and so are you.
you are so desperate its not even funny anymore. grow the fuck up
this kid is so fucking mad he cant even write a coherent sentence anymore
grow up, stop pretending to be anything other than an armchar warrior
Ancient Egyptian weapon when most weapons were spears and bows. It was a very good cutting sword for the pharaoh and his guard to carry. Believed to be a tool like a sickle then evolved to this. Also thought to evolve from ancient axes. Sorry don't have my diagrams.
Oh sorry i'm reading several things and mixed up one word, oh how will you ever forgive me.
I would call you a troll since you are stringing people along without bringing anything notable to the table while flinging insults at people for your own amusement.
You comments are very funny.
What an inlay helmet could've looked, basics of the helmet taken from the only Viking helmet found.
In other words, like the khukri, its design purpose was to place more weight at the top of the weapon to increase striking power? Or am I mixing this up with other weapons?
why bother posting anything constructive when all you faggots are going to do is call me a troll and continue to be faggot armchair warriors?
you know nothing, you spew shit you read off of google and have no practical knowldge of the topic at hand
that and your to mad to even coherantly post a scentence, using the excuse "i was reading to much and got confused because im fucking stupid"
and you expect me to take you seriously? get out of here armchair warrior.
wrong. this is why no one takes you armchair warriors seriously.
So it might be a decent weapon to use from horse-back after losing a spear. Like I said I don't know a whole lot but I've been told that wepaons like scimitars and shamshirs were used for that type of wound infliction and not being susceptible to being taken from your hand by the impact.
Well it doesn't really have the reach and most battle fought when this was used would not have had much Calvary and if anything it was a backup weapon after spears and javelins and bows. Also possibly used as a sidearm for royal guards and pharaohs
>why bother posting anything constructive
You have posted nothing constructive in this thread. Prove me wrong.
>and you expect me to take you seriously?
no, I expect you to fuck off or stop shitposting and actually post something constructive.
Can we also have a fantasy weapons done decently category? Elvish stuff from LotR might not be the best example but most of the movie armor and weapons were well done and a nice balance of practical/fantasy
where did i claim, or even imply that? you are putting words in my mouth because you cant even prove what i have said wrong.
>Prove me wrong.
i dont justify myself to armchair warriors, kid
>posts i dont like are shitposts!
spoken like a true armchair warrior
take your own advice, also i find it funny you are so braindead that you cannot even conceive of another insult other than the ones im calling you
thats what i call pathetic