Because most of my military firefights knowledge comes from vidya and basic info books I have the following 2 questions
1) Where do (professional) soldiers put their empty magazines? I don't think they simply drop them away like in games and movies unless something really urgent happens.
2) Ok, so the enemy is destroyed right? So you have shitloads of corpses with their weapons still possibly intact if they weren't blown up to pieces. Im sure nobody leaves them behind. Is there a military unit tasked to sweep up and gather dead enemies' guns & ammo?
Not a mil fag but want to know, i've heard different things in regards to both. I think that's point of the drop bag on a PC or rig and second I want to say checked for safety (ie they really dead and not trapped) then medical guys clear up. Least logically speaking.
Again my advice is just based on varried stories from vets of different eras.
1)Depends, if it's a life or death split second decision close quarter firefight, you're going to drop your empty mags, if not, you put them back in your pouch follower-up
2)Usually have people designated in each squad handling epw's, securing weapons, and dealing with casualties.
we put them in the pouch like pic related.
if you can, you will do a BDA, and assess the enemy dead and take any arms or ammunition with you yourself, that is if the little kids and their wheel barrels dont get there first.
Poor guy never got a round off.
Its a dead Thai soldier actually, killed in a border clash with Cambos or Burmese, idk
The 100 Baht bill is a giveaway.
If you are in a defensive static position, it is not uncommon to simply drop the empty magazine and collect it when contact has stopped or there is a lull in the contact.
Also, the obvious dump pouch, but if you do not have one, a trouser pocket can suffice. In the bong army, where combat training is done wearing PLCE webbing, we are advised to stick the mag down our combat jacket. This creates a large pocket, with your webbing belt preventing the mag falling out through the bottom of the jacket
I'm a Hospital Corpsman, 2 tours of Iraq, once in Fallujah and once in the North near Mosul.
A firefight works in a very funky way.
First you have to see an enemy.
>implying the enemy isn't waiting for you because they have less support and firepower
You won't see the enemy though because you are in brownistan and even the good guys look like the enemy.
It'll be different though that day, the air will smell weird or more shops are closed than usual. The worst thing you could realize is that there are no women and children around when normally you can't fucking pay attention to shit because kids keep asking you for money, cookies, candy, and bullets.
Something will happen, something loud, some kind of detonation. It'll be big, like a truck filled with propane tanks going off, you'll feel your breath leave your lungs if you are close enough too it, any closer and you'll be fragged or knocked on your ass.
Then you'll get contact, the enemy has been waiting and they will open up on you from 10 different positions using whatever kind of hardware they think Allah blessed to help put you in the grave.
Now comes lots of shooting, lots of communicating, lots of confusion. No one around you will know whats going on and the people who are supposed to know whats going on are still pretending that they are incharge of everything thats happening.
As quickly as it started it'll end and you'll see squads breaking up to secure the position, then you'll see squads breaking up to start checking known enemy positions. You might hear some shooting here and there, maybe another couple explosions (hand grenades routing off enemy that have bunkered in, traps, IEDs).
Finally, you'll see some brass you don't know walking around with an RTO trailing his stern talking too fast over the radio. Squads will be pulling the dead out into the street, lining them up, beating up the wounded and getting the terp to figure out if they are bad guys (ali baba).
After this everyone will police up ammo and supplies, try to figure out if we lost anything important, try to figure out if we were attacked so someone else could get away. Just trying to figure everything out.
>normally you can't fucking pay attention to shit because kids keep asking you for money, cookies, candy, and bullets.
>money, cookies, candy, green cards and bullets
really? bullets? why?
What do we do with enemy weaponry we capture? Do we destroy/recycle them> Do we have warehouses full of rusty AKs and second hand soviet shit collecting dust? Use them for training purposes? Do we sell them to "allies" and "freedom fighters"?
If I was a little kid in a shithole country, and I saw a soldier walking around I'd want some bullets. They are cool looking and shiny mementos, you can trade them for shit, make them into lighters/mini-handguns
Depends how nice they are. They usually get crushed/incinerated/deactivated and buried. Sometimes, they're taken as trophies, depending on how cool your CO is and how alert your MPs are.
That is totally dependent on what the mission calls for.
I was doing routine patrol and escort during Mosul. Anything we captured went to be tagged and bagged and then I think we either gave it away to Iraqi Army or Iraqi Police.
Wouldn't make much sense to destroy them, there are tons of AKs in Iraq.
Everything is sorted. Weapons that are in good shape can be given/sold to friendlies. Weapons that are in shit condition/totally obsolete end up being destroyed.
this picture basically is /thread for me. What an awesome pic that defines what the aftermath looks like in detail.
Also, holy shit there's a lot more variety than vidya would lead you to believe. Which I sorta already knew, but it's much better to see the shit that turns up in a pic from real life.
What other weird shit can you guys find in this pic?
You would be correct.
sorry, forgot pic, that look like an air rifle to anyone else?
Could you imagine the brass balls it would take to take on The Marines with a fucking air rifle. That or people really don't exaggerate how bad these guys wanna die for snackabar and they just suicide by marine.
I really dont think anyone was shooting air rifle at Marines. It was probably just stacked somewhere where Marines conducted search...
That poor 1919,
also an M79 in the middle right section
I remember watching some video with US troops first time in Iraq saying, everyone and their mother had AK's across their back. First they wanted to put a bullet in everyone but later they cooled off.
One soldier said its not AK people they worry about it was sniper-IED fags
There are several, wtf.
1. Dumb bag (basically a fairly large sack hanging from your webbing)
2. There are designated corpse-squads that gather corpses and dispose of them (burial). Generally no corpses in war is meant to be left on the ground unless very dire circumstances. Basically if there is no other means of bringing the corpse to its families, you bury them in a grave marked with a cross. Write the ID on a piece of paper, put it in the combatants water bottle and bury it with him. Though that is of course if there are no other alternatives. Guns and ammo is destroyed, personal belongings (anything that isnt a weapon) is buried with the corpse in a bag. Of course the grave is marked on a map so it can be located.
That's the general procedure, anyway.
>In the bong army, where combat training is done wearing PLCE webbing, we are advised to stick the mag down our combat jacket.
Same thing in Sweden... before people started buying their own pouches.
As for number 2.
You, the enemy civilians, crows, worms and digger dan.
Two decades ago, before all the Tacticool and gear queers; grunts kept their non-dominate hand's BDU pant cargo pocket open to dump empty mags into in a hurry. If it was fucking go time you tried to make it, but tossing it on the ground usually worked.
Someone in each fire team (half a squad) kept some thermite grenades in their ruck. Once you assaulted through the enemy, hit your LOA, you would collect up all the weapons and ordinance in a pile and melt the fuckers. Enemy casulties were searched for Intel and left there. Ain't our fault they chose to fight and die.
Source: I'm a fucking old man, probably could have a couple of you fucks running around as my illegitimate bastards. Fuck off.
Lil' anecdote from a comrade of mine who was in the invasion, '03
>fighting is mostly over, entering the "mopping-up" phase, trying to sort everything out
>part of this is collecting the massive piles of abandoned/captured enemy weapons
>B company is on security patrol in one neighborhood, sees young males scurrying back and forth between buildings, carrying armfuls of AK's, machineguns, and UXO
>ROE's at the time are pretty open, PID of anyone carrying a weapon and assumed hostile intent is reason enough to shoot
>B Company opens up on Iraqis, a few drop the rest scatter
>C Company calls over the net, "B Company, please stop shooting our working party"
Turns out the other company had put some enterprising locals to work carting weapons back and forth to a collection area. Uh-oh.
All my lulz.
Yes, he speaks the truth, this was often the case in warfare prior to the namby pamby shit they make our soldiers put up with today.
Or at least the war part is the truth. As for the part about his illegitimate offspring... who can say? lol
This makes me wonder, do the average hajis actually known anything about maintaining firearms, or do they leave them in a hole for a year and assume Allah will always make it function?
The consensus (at least among the untrained masses) seems to be that if it is Allah's will, the weapon will fire, and Allah will guide the bullet.
Many, many, many unserviceable weapons continually found, seized up solid. In contravention to the myth that an AK will ALWAYS work no matter how you treat it.
If it's empty it goes on the ground, if it has rounds still in it, into the dump pouch.
Typically weapons are gather and either destroyed or collected and moved back to base. It's important to deny the enemy.