What, in what capacity do you mean "theoretically"? If all of /k/ was warped into dinghies right outside Sealand with whatever gun is closest to them with the directive that they have to take Sealand or face certain death? They could probably take it, I don't think it's well-defended. /k/ couldn't survive whatever international fallout happens after that, though. I think Sealand is in UK's territorial waters, right? They wouldn't be very happy.
>man with eye patch sees that we might be vaguely interested in creating a military without borders >steals our ips from 4chan server >tracks us all down >in the middle of the night tranq darts >attaches a balloon to all of our backs. >wake up on some fucking oil rig
>>22933291 meh, it worked for modern Americans though, I'm siting inna warm living room, wearing pants, on a smart phone, earlier I went out and shoot some guns, then I ate a meal that I bought from a store, and after a while I will go sleep in a bed, vs sitting in a tp cause no house, wearing an animal skin loincloth cause no pants, watching a fire burn cause no electricity, eating a buffalo that I had to hunt down and kill with an arrow cause no guns, and looking forward to sleeping on the ground with a rock for a pillow cause no bed. Don't get me wrong, hunting and camping is fun, but as a life style, nope.
>Could /k/ take Sealand If we actually managed to get enough people from here to actually do something instead of just talk about it yes, it take maybe like 30 people at most to actually conquer the place. >Is Sealand a practical candidate for /k/ountry Hell naw nigga, shit's tiny, we probably wouldn't even be able to fit the invasion force alone on the thing let alone the majority of /k/
Fuck Sealand, it's too troublesome because of its location. We should find something outside anyone's waters and take that over. Something we could actually do something with and something we would be stealing from a country who wouldn't be able or willing to do anything about it.
Isla de Malpelo might work. It has a Colombian military base so we'd have a little action, but I doubt they'd care if we took it over.
>>22933771 I'd guess it's his fault being a liar since for one thing the court case said it was workmen fixing a navigation buoy and for another firing shots at a Royal Navy vessel inside or outside of British waters is something that gets you blown the fuck up.
>Sealand Rebel Government and the 1978 attack on Sealand
>In August 1978, while Bates and his wife were in England, Alexander Achenbach, who describes himself as the Prime Minister of Sealand, hired several German and Dutch mercenaries to spearhead an attack on Sealand. They stormed the platform with speedboats, jet skis and helicopters, and took Bates' son Michael hostage. Using weapons stashed on the platform, Michael was able to retake Sealand and capture Achenbach and the mercenaries. Achenbach, a German lawyer who held a Sealand passport, was charged with treason against Sealand and was held unless he paid DM 75,000 (more than US$35,000 or £23,000). The governments of the Netherlands, Austria and Germany petitioned the British government for his release, but the United Kingdom disavowed his imprisonment, citing the 1968 court decision. Germany then sent a diplomat from its London embassy to Sealand to negotiate for Achenbach's release. Roy Bates relented after several weeks of negotiations and subsequently claimed that the diplomat's visit constituted de facto recognition of Sealand by Germany.
>Following the former's repatriation, Achenbach and Gernot Pütz established a government in exile, sometimes known as the Sealand Rebel Government or Sealandic Rebel Government, in Germany. Achenbach's appointed successor, Johannes Seiger, continues to claim via his website that he is Sealand's legitimate ruling authority.
>>22932216 I wonder what would be the best weapons to arm a nation that lives on the ocean. Sea spray and corrosion would be a bitch...So it would have to be aluminum guns with every bit of steel chromed out and polymer furniture Rubber grips
Also As much we talk about fantasy, this could be a reality. Though sea land can get fucked, it's smaller than my house and it's in the fucking frozen Atlantic near England...I'm not saying tropical but I'd rather a place less cold.
Pacific Coast near America is much more stable with less storms.
Lets say we build six oil rig like structures close to each and connected with brides for both walking and vehicles, with a large central dock to handle aircraft carriers or Cruise ships. make an agriculture dome in the center for growing crops, basically a giant green house have helicopter pads for sure but maybe even have a small run way for airplanes. Wind turbines at one end and solor pannel gathering array...
Then we build at least seven restaurants, three gun stores a fishing wharf a grocery mart, a liquor store and a large gun range/faux hunting ground and two movie theaters and four gyms and a hotel.
Yeah it will be our self sustaining /k/ colony, but we could make money as a stop off point for tourist and other sailing travelers.
I'd say build it off the coast between California and Baja Mexico
Think of all the money we could make even though it wouldn't be our main source of income or sustenance!
>>22933278 This makes me wonder what kind of difficulty we would have expanding Sealand.
Obviously, an initial base for about 50 people would need to be triple in size. And to expand, we would need to build the concrete forts on land, drag them out to sea, and detonate the charges on the bottom to cause it to sink without tilting.
Unless we get a big fun-manufacturer to dump loads of funding into such a project, it will never happen.
>>22934263 >>22934513 If I ever got lucky playing the lottery and won a few hundred million I'd definitely look into starting this shit up. I've always loved the idea of Mother Base ever since I played Peace Walker.
any examination of /k/ archives will yield results where sealand has been mass debated in other "let's start a nation guise" threads, and has been voted down for many good reasons which i do not care to ellaborate further on in this thread.
we have the manpower, the arms and the finances to find, build and defend our own nation, but we lack the crucial elements necessary for such an endeavour, such as trust, friendship and motivation. i'll be the first to say i'd rather wait for the next season of game of thrones than miss it for building a /k/ nation. hell, i'd rather be living my slavaboo fantasy, hugging my ak and squatting in my shack posting on /k/.
it can be done, and may well be done some day, but unless you truly have the determination to actually do something besides typing, don't waste your time.
>but faggot, what could we do to make a start?
make a anon skype and add cunts from /k/ through here and on /k/ meetups and /k/ omegle raids. become friends with one another.
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A low groan rose for his throat as he shifted his weight. He was seated in something vaguely chair-like, though he couldn't be sure it was anything more than a roughly assembled bundle of mattress foam and ratty, threadbare canvas.
It was surprisingly comfortable, all things considered.
He hadn't much time to consider the chair-like-ness of his current seat, as his attention was quickly gathered by the subtle flick of a lighter in the darkness before him.
It only then occurred to him he did not own a chair-like object, or a room so bereft of furniture to cram it into.
Somewhere from the darkness, a voice spoke, "Sorry for the inconvenience. We were pressed for time. Smoke?"
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"Where are you? Nowhere in particular." the voice paused, and the faint glow of a lighter illuminated the rough outline of a man. He was nearly as wide as he was tall, with a broad face like a craggy rock.
"I represent a group interested in hiring you. We would have corrosponded in a more," He paused to take a draw from the cigarette tucked between his fingers, "Conventional manner, but certain elements frown upon that."
>>22933432 set up aquaponic greenhouse to grow 4twenty herbs/shitloads of good produce, build 2nd level deck below top deck, get some shrimp boats, make this shit a goddamned oceanic trade mecca gradually expanding with more pilons n shit
>>22934263 >Wind turbines >In the middle of the ocean >Not Marine current power
You dun goofed nigger, Marine current is the best and most efficient form of obtaining energy. I'd say marine current as main power source and solar panels for small shit.
>>22934513 Also this, a private island is much more accessible, if there were big enough abandoned oil rigs, it could be a thing. But a natural island that can potentially be expanded with artificial platforms is much more cost efficient.
This is something I was writing up for a new thread, but then I saw this and thought it should go here:So, wouldn't it be cool if /k/ had a country? Yes, it would. But how do we make this country? Well I have an answer. http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/pilotin-island See this, this is an island. An island that's for sale. This is relevant because we need land for a country. Once we get this, we secede from whatever tiny ass country it belongs to, and they won't do anything. But there's one thing I left out. It costs $1,070,435. Which is a lot. So how do we do it? Plan A. See if any richfags on /k/ who are willing to help.(this one isn't going to happen, but let me dream) Plan B. Kickstarter project.(This is a lot of money to raise, but it's possible.) Plan C. Some /k/ommandos organize a meet in Oregon (it's crucial that one of them has a boat) and then boat over with some funs, and take the place
Could we take it? Yes. Easily. Could we hold it? Depends who tries to take t? Do we want it? Initially, yes, definitely. It would make a great story. But it would be a bitch to maintain etc, and it would be pretty shit to stay on.
>>22941512 Two Australians bought an island lease for 99 years for 5000 AUS dollars. It was small, but you know it's an island. I think the best approach is to look further before picking one. So who wants a country? And which tripfag wants to be head of the campaign? *i would I would I would
>>22948001 I think we all are. However, we do have to be in international water, or else the country has a good claim over us. It should however be close-ish to land, as we don't want it to be inaccessible. Also I think the current islands are still too much. I think we should expand the search to more 'budget' islands. This evening ill try to find some people in the business of island selling and try to make some enquiries.
>>22932300 if its anything like /a3g/ then a parapalegic with a .22 would turn the entire operation into a blood bath as people throw grenades at eachother. try to boost their egos by getting others killed or wandering off to "operate" only to get shot by friendlies because no one knows how to use radios. although it would drop shitposting by at least 60%
>>22950754 >Tactical nigger Do you even have to ask for that one? We already have a couple of those, the EVA will probably be some Russian mail order bride that one of /k/ takes in and puts in a ridiculous amount of shooting and unarmed combat courses.
It would be easier for every member to shell out $1000 up front and then to use the amassed funds to scoop up some abandoned oil rig or simply fund your own that's in close vicinity to Africa and India.
From there you just act like a typical PMC and slowly amass money to spread out. You wouldn't have to worry about initial armaments since this is /k/ and you're all equipped [spoiler]with nuggets lel[/spoiler]
And you guys want to waste money on an island or some other small gay thing in the middle of bum-fuck nowhere. Typical.
>be member of Operators Without Borders >wake up at 10:00 >go outside >some autists are outside on the deck with their nuggets in one hand, dakimakura in the other while arguing over their /ak/ waifus >go down to the mess hall for breakfast >get in line behind a Mexican /k/ommando >suddenly shots ring out >"YOU CAN'T FLIMFLAM THE ZIMZAM!" >some /k/ommando with an AK gunned him down >move up in line >breakfast is expired Ukranian MREs with canned Latvian sprats for variety >again >choke down the rancid fish and head back outside >the /ak/ autists have started stabbing each other with their bayonets over an argument about Upotte >the richfags are sitting in their tree stands with their glistening ARs and Tavors just watching the madness below >the slavaboos have installed a nuclear-proof bomb shelter stocked with more 5.45 rounds than food >constantly calling each other Stalker >some tanneritefag makes too much and blows up the platform killing us all
>>22950832 Help me out here. .Diving .Swimming .Close quarters .firing from an unstable and moving platform [boat] .Bayonet training ??? having a PMC that specializes in nautical things sounds bretty good, also would make for good defense since we could employ divers to fuck up somebodys shit with explosives.
>>22950865 Iron fist training but employed to the elbows and knees as well, every soldier being able to throw excellent elbows and knees will be useful for sure, also some form of standardized fighting style that would be teached, should we go with systema spetnaz /k/? I haven't slept so please bear with me before flinging shit at me.
>>22950892 Also I like the idea of the Karambit as the standard knife, not that you'll be getting that close anyways but same applies to the iron fist training, better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
>>22936338 You're sitting in your basement late one night. Busy fantasizing about the hundreds of guns you don't have and how you would be cleaning them right now if you did. Suddenly you hear a knock at the door. Cautiously you go to answer it. >BOOM It's a flashbang. Pic related is now holding a knife to your throat. >You're an operator Jack. He hands you a Nugget and clips a fulton to you. >Have a nice flight. You take off through your ceiling and wake up on an island 100 miles off the coast of Baja California, Isla Guadalupe. Now begins your Freedom Operator training.
I think bir tawal is our best bet, and from a moral stand point too it's not 'properly' claimed by a state.
Building an offshore platform would require millions of dollars worth of steel let alone the equipment to build it, bir tawal is already there I don't see any arguments against it other then you're near sudan which you might have to defend against but hey that'll give us.something to do, all we need to do is set up camp , construct a road and build up supplies.
This? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil I would say nay. It's a landlocked region. We would have to go through one country or another to get in and out. Given the militaristic nature of our would be organization, I think it might be counter productive.
>>22932216 just all get a boat down to a small island nation, somewhere in micronesia. become citizens, use your economic muscle to take power. Plan B, have a revolution where you can outshoot the local cops/defence force. Pick somewhere that doesn't speak french. Pick most isolated inhabited place you can so you have time to get embedded before anyone turns up.
>>22951318 >Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg... and my arm... even my fingers. The body I've lost... the comrades I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give back our past.
>>22934263 We should just make it into a resort with shooting ranges and a large selection of rental firearms, firearms history museums, hotel, and hostel. A place where europoors in no fun countries can easily travel to for some unrestricted fun.
> "The nugget chooses the /k/ommando. That much has always been clear to those of us who have studied nuggetlore... These connections are complex. An initial attraction, and then a mutual quest for experience, the nugget learning from the /k/ommando, the /k/ommando from the nugget."
>>22950865 desert training arctic traing diving eod jungle combat and survival tracking and evasion jump school lock picking,car hotwiring advanced interrogation( both how to administer and resist) basic combat from aviation
http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/smiths-island This and this http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/jones-island are bretty large for their price, and aren't in some shitty ass lake. Fuck islands in lakes. I don't want it to be a shitty enclave.
>>22956443 this obsession with oil rigs must end. They are a cool idea, but frankly expensive and just not as useful as we seem to be thinking they are.
Look into it, seriously. lord knows getting you people to clean anything other than your rifles would be a nightmare, i can't even imagine trying to keep corrosion down, deck clear, and a million other things.
frankly, as much as I love you guys I think the majority don't have the drive and discipline to actually make this thing work. For those that disagree, keep talking. I'll keep an eye out and offer suggestions. If we gain momentum I'll throw my lot in. If not I'll steal the people who tried.
>>22956506 No one said it would be easy, and it would be pretty hard at first to figure out how to maintain an oil rig. But let's say we start on an island which, let's be honest, is a lot more convenient and easy to maintain than an oil rig. But it would be pretty hard for us to expand if needed unless there were several islands in the vicinity of ours that we could actually take. Sure, we could just get another island elsewhere but the probability of getting 2 good islands in the same area of the earth is lower than you'd think, plus transporting supplies between islands on other areas of the globe would cost quite a bit in the long run. As far as just starting out goes, an island and a couple of oil rigs close by is much more convenient.
>>22956570 I suggested some freshwater islands near the mouth of some river in south america, bordering the atlantic.>>22941136
Depending on /k/rew size, there was also that big unused finnish cargo boat. >>22941067
Other good alternative would be places with shoreline that aren't islands with weak local governments.
Ultimately I'm not sure that outright ownership of land is feasible. I earnestly believe you'd have to have some sort of agreement with the local government. Especially if you want US gov contracts.
other alternatives would be setting up in "hostile territory" near the coast. What better excuse to get hired for mercwork than being local?
I'm at work right now. let me get some stuff done here, then I'll take a look around and get back to you with a more cohesive rough draft plan.
A final note: keep in mind, where we set up is only as important as who we set up with. We need to have 1.) a cohesive vision for what we want out of this 2.) a group of people whose skillsets actively contribute to that vision 3.) the physical means, monetary, real estate, and otherwise, to supply that vision, and 4.) the manpower to achieve it.
>>22956654 at least you're giving it thought. adopting temporary trip to keep track of my posts and not make a mess, don't bite my head off.
My concern with platforms is not damning, to be sure. There are advantages. Here are my concerns: 1.) Maintenance: manpower, know-how, materials. 2.) utility of space: low. not a whole lot of sqft, less of it usable, inclement weather and you're shitstormed (in some cases literally) for a few days. 2.1) HOWEVER there are some advantages. Fishing platforms, energy generation via ocean currents, could potentially be converted/modified for easier fleet access for deep water instead of dealing with ports/port construction. 3.) supplies. Logistics of getting them out there and back. We'd want it as self-sufficient as possible, ferry rides all the time for food and necessities out to our glorified lighthouse can be cost and time prohibitive....
All of that aside, what would we want the platforms for? Housing? If so we can probably* find better alternatives. Training ground seems feasible... I don't know, it depends what we actually want the platform -for-.
>>22956760 >>22956821 Those are all very good for a pros and cons list, no option will be perfect and obviously an island would be far better. No matter what our setup would be, we would want it to be as self sufficient as possible since we'd basically be making steps towards forming our own nation.
As far as maintenance and manpower goes, we wouldn't need a rig until we were big enough, and by that time we could probably accumulate the resources to hire a maintenance crew to keep the rig functioning at capacity. Weather is going to be a bitch even for an island, especially in areas prone to hurricanes like the Atlantic.
And then of course there's the issue of cost. Like your link says, a rig could be up into the hundreds of millions, which we simply wouldn't have to spare in our early steps but to make more money we would need more men so this is a complicated issue. If we got lucky, our best option would be to buy a cluster of islands that would be big enough to actually inhabit and make bases on, since islands are a lot less costly and easier to sustain ourselves on. I don't think anyone here wants to be landlocked since that brings up all sorts of issues but other than islands or oil rigs I don't see many other options. Maybe we could eventually obtain some carriers as mobile bases.
>>22957567 Oh yeah we'll definitely need boats along with an island for transporting troops.resources. Along with just having an island we would need to know how to construct buildings and other infrastructure for electrical power, water, etc.
>>22957690 Good questions that I do not have answers to. You are now tasked with finding out: 1.) where can we get bulk ammo/components to make our own for the best price, outside of the U.S. 2.) Who is going to hire us. (spoiler: the US will still probably be our biggest contract, but find others)
>>22957713 >munitions perhaps a deal with a few businesses or governemts in central or south America. local or state govt. with agreement for protection and border watch when shtf. >work keeping the russians at bay in africa. do work disarming mines cheaper than un goys. also possible additional recruitment to give jobs and money where is needed.
>>22957800 I like where your head is at. And as much as I know people won't like this: people matter. We need recruitment. I have an idea regarding that... but I'm not sure I'm quite ready to share it with the class yet. I'll give it some thought.
>>22957690 >>22957713 >>22957723 All questions that I don't think we could answer in a single thread, this will take a lot of looking into if we're actually serious about this.
As long as we're on an island, we could use whatever wildlife on it and in the surrounding waters for food at least until we get a connection on rations. As far as arms go, I'm not sure what our standard weapons would be once we become more operational, we'd have to take a vote or something and depending on which weapon we use would determine where and how we get our ammunition and all that. Otherwise we'd just have to use whatever weapons we already own for the time being.
As far as contracts go, I think we should be available to anyone as long as they aren't doing some seriously fucked up shit like slaughtering children or something. I'd personally prefer if we kept it sort of like MSF and stayed away from ideologies and whatnot, and to not get involved with a country's politics or let it affect our work.
Also I've never used a trip before so if I fuck this up I'm sorry.
>>22958022 Yeah we have to make sure we keep this going. I'm sure plenty of people would be interested just looking at this thread and if we were serious about it we could start to put plans in motion.
Can we turn this Outer Heaven dream into a General thread while we try to work this out?
Though we have these threads every now and then they just fizzle out and die. If you guys are really serious (I'd fucking love IRL MSF, it's my dream) then we should have a general thread with regular tripfriend contributors so we can keep track of who's doing what. (I know they're looked down upon but we can't just all be Anon forever if this is to be a real. achievable goal.)
Godspeed, /k/omrades. I love every single one of you and I want to believe we can do this.
>>22958421 A general thread is a good idea. And as faggy as tripfags can be, it's going to be necessary if we want to further our progress on this. I know this is all based off videogame shit but this has genuinely been my dream ever since the concept was introduced by the MGS series. A place where soldiers can be free of ideologies and being used by governments.
>>22958518 Do you think you could look some up? I'd like to see some of them out there if someone can find them
gentlemen, i'm unsure if this has ever been mentioned before. we have discussed the potential for existing islands and man made platforms, mobile or immobile, etc... but why not do how the united arab emirates have done? build our own island?
this is apparently the best option around, and better yet, some pathetic cunts have laid "claim" to it because they've poured some concrete there or some shit. the mauritanians also claim it in the exclusive economic zone, so not only do we get to invade and occupy something that others feel is theirs, but we get to build this island how we want it to be.
imagine all the pirate fighting we could engage in in this part of the world...
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