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>Does it really matter?
It is true that strength does matter in Modern Combat (i.e. "rucking", military shit) but let's assume two soldiers using the same exact gear are the same weight/strength but different height.
>5'7'' manlet
>6'1'' man
Who would have an advantage in Modern Combat in?
>innawoods
>innadesert
>innaurbancombat
Pic related.
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It only matters if you're very tall or very short, 5'7 and 6'2 doesn't mean much unless you get in a boxing match.
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>>22800568
So no extreme's on the spectrum as that'd cause some obvious problems.
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>>22800585
being tall is a hindrance
being swole is a hindrance
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>>22800585
I'm 5'5, had a buddy in basic that was like 5'3. Neither of us were yoked out, both of us maxed our PT. It's amazing how you don't really need to be the visual pinnacle of fitness to excel in a military setting.

Ruck marches do hurt real bad though, real real bad.
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>>22800677
Have you ever seen combat?
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the SS didn't let manlets in it probably why germany is so good at soccer now
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>>22800743
IIRC the US military had the same height limit.
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Why are manlets always the best soldiers?
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Manlets require less food and water and present smaller targets to the enemy. They would make good soldiers.

Tall men however project an aura of confidence and as such make better officers and NCOs.
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>>22800772
The Napoleon complex drives us to destroy all things around us.
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>>22800559

I'm 5'7 and a former infantry soldier. I hated rucking but was excellent at reconnaissance patrols ("recce"). My size gave me an advantage in that I could make myself a much smaller target and hide in far smaller places.

That being said, being the smallest soldier in my section, my commanders gave me the biggest fucking gun because I was "hard as fuck"...

so make of that what you will.
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>>22800677

its the short strides. they were my personal hell.
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>>22800816
> my commanders gave me the biggest fucking gun because I was "hard as fuck"...
What gun anon?
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>>22800827
PPK lol
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>>22800827
Combat bait canon mod 0
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>>22800827

C6 GPMG/M240/FNMAG/whatever your military calls it
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Actually being short can be very, very useful in combat. You'll make a better tanker if you're short, also it's easier to hide and camouflage yourself.

1.90m tall supermen are good only for parades.
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>>22800793
>Napoleon complex
Makes me cringe every time when someone uses this. The man was taller than average.
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>>22800873
No he wasn't, he was average.
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>>22800855
>better tanker
this isn't world of warcraft, you know.

but I have to agree: big hulk persons = big targets
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>>22800888
No, taller. I'm not saying he was a giant, but generally even half an inch taller is still taller.
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>>22800772
Because they save on material.
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>>22800772
Christ the fucking rifle is taller than him.
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>>22800893
What the hell does that have to do with world of warcraft?

Being a manlet is an advantage in a tank, it's just common sense.
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>>22800894
It's still in the average range. Sure, he's taller than a hard set number, who cares, does anyone notice? He was normal height if it pleases you.

That said, he WAS dwarfed by his guards and generals. He was short for a military man.
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>>22800559
plus: a few armed branches prefer agility over strength.

dwarf builds are good for artillery. last ditch ammo.
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>>22800900
here is my tank
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>>22800851
mag58 in a recon platoon? The fuck cunt?
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>>22800873
>>22800888
>>22800894
>>22800913
Hitler/ stalin/ (mao?) And many other brutal leaders in history were short, but the monuments to them were huge of course. Napoleon is just the first guy who seemed to be known for it even if he wasn't that short.
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>>22800913
Who cares about exact numbers? Ak47 eats 7.62x54 too right?
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>>22800900
In vidya game terms tanking means absorbing damage
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>>22800924
O i get it, a dwarf tank
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>>22800946
Hitler war average. Can't bother checking other twos heights.
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>>22800559
Manlet Ambush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGtP409UPEA
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>>22800946
what about Churchill? he was short and fat.
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>>22800677
I'm surprised people are height wind up in special forces.
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>>22800893
go back to /v/

armored vehicles are cramped. Being short is a huge advantage.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/18/chinese-soldiers-are-getting-too-big-for-their-tanks/
Sorry for being slightly OT, but this article made me wonder if there are any older weapons that visibly "grew" over time (bigger stocks, grips and control surfaces).
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>>22800772

Less to shoot at.
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>>22800951
Apply yourself.

>>22800823
No shit man, I don't know how many times I've heard people tell me to open my stride. I'm like yes no shit, thank you, I can't anymore without turning into a fucking Eric Prydz music video.
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Tall guys with longer legs make bigger paces and can march slightly faster, also they can see over obstacles better and reach longer. Short guys are more compact and fit better into tanks and behind cover. Having had both and being tall, both have their advantages. Having a good mix and using each persons individual strength is decisive, not height as a number!
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Height has stopped mattering when firearms were born.
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>>22801034
> firearms were born

> Here you go sir, it's a healthy little baby gun!
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>>22801034
Samurai were short and they are undefeated in combat, height didn't matter then either.
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>>22801053
> Never fought anyone
> Undefeated

Well, I can't hardly call you wrong now, can I?
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>>22801060
You should read a history book.
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>>22801044
Don't you dare tell me that the creation of a firearm is any less magical than human birth!
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>>22801034
You could have actually read the thread and gotten a far better, more nuanced view of the subject but you just took a shit and called it fact because you are an absolute fucktard. Morning /k/.

>>22801053
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4no08FIJKk
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>>22800851
Fuckin awesome staff, I love being singled out for death by the enemy!
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>>22801100
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4no08FIJKk

Windows movie maker, made up information, didn't watch past 30 seconds.
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>>22800559
smaller size = smaller target
face it manlets are the pinnacle of modern combat
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>>22801081
You should really read one toyotomi hideyoshi was defeated in Korea by the Koreans and Chinese, yes there were samurai.
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>>22801100
>video
Samurai is the man wielding the weapon, that video seem to be just about katana not turning pirates into god like warriors.
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>>22801139
Not true, they are undefeated.
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Seems to me that being shorter, less body mass, is superior in every situation except for hand to hand combat.

Smaller target, can fit compartments designed for shorter people (Soviets did this), less calories/medicine/water required to sustain, etc
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>>22801118
>it hurts in muh weeaboo
Gotcha.
Also, you should look up admiral yi sun-sin, he made a career on rekting muh honourable nipponese against all odds.
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>>22801081
Oh you.
I wanted to spare you the humiliation by calling attention to the fact that the Japanese only very rarely fought anyone outside their own country, but if you really want to look at the few times when they did - I believe they lost the majority of all encounters in which they didn't just raid chinese fishing villages.
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>>22801152
Prove it, all you have is overblown accounts from people who lost and were butthurt.

>>22801161
You prove it too.
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>>22801136
they need less food. and you save cloth.
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>>22801118
>made up information
Proof?
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>>22801178
Same to you.
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>>22801169
>it's not history because I say so
lol
Yi Sun-Sin is one of the most respected admirals in history and for good reason. The notoriously nationalistic Japanese even pay him respects for his abilities. You're just a crying weeaboo.
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>>22801198
Got videos of his exploits? Didn't think so.
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>>22800737
no they said i was too short to go in that they would mistake me for a child and would not shoot me

which makes it unfair on the other guys
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>>22801171
You can stack Manlets much easier
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>>22801147
You also march slower due to shorter paces. Then again, it's easier for short people to build muscle, so they can carry more kit.
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>>22801216
>demanding video evidence of things that happened hundreds of years ago
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>>22801339
That's my point, people made up shit all the time to embellish their accomplishments.
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>>22801372
But not samurai.
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>>22800981

I remember Howard Wasdin saying in Seal Team Six that many people in special forces are very average looking.

They're fit but by no means what you'd think of as aryan ubermensch.

They're mostly people that are higher than average IQ and endurance that can keep a level head under extreme physical and/or mental duress.
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>>22801053
>Samurai were short and they are undefeated in combat,

Mainly by virtue of geography. They would have also been raped by the mongols.
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>>22801100
You can go away and suck my dick you cum guzzling faggot, height doesn't matter when you can kill anyone with the press of a trigger, period.
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>>22801533
You sound angry little friend.
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>>22801533

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E62iA6KCIQ
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>>22800559
Tell you what, in log PT the taller guy always gets fucked.
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>>22801460
No, Bushido prevented it.
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>>22801590
>Tell you what, in log PT the taller guy always gets fucked.
Not a mil-fag man so what does that mean?
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>>22801786
When a group of guys runs with a log above their heads friend.
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>>22801794
How many people get injured in PT exercises while in the military? Any first hand stories, statistics?
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>>22801888
Haven't been in my self yet, but from all the stories I heard from my brother,uncle,grandpa and the likes, it is a very rare occurrence, that's coming from three different countries military's as well, PT is more physiological now than anything friend maybe some vets would have different stories though.
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>>22801925
Mind to say what militaries they were in?
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>>22801533
Don't be so short with people.
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>>22801888
PT? Not very many. During other training exercises or ruck marches? I'd say at least 1 per event minimum, plus another or two every now and then.

Nothing major, rolled and sprained ankles, minor heat injuries, insect bites, people doing stupid things. Honestly people doing stupid things explains 90% of the injuries that occur.

Mind you these are all just my experiences, they'll vary from person to person.
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>>22801888
It's pretty rare. I don't know how it is now. When I was in, 2005-9, it was mostly cardio and "natural resistance" which is a sound philosophy. That crossfit shit was starting to weasel it's way in but at the time at least it was not allowed and hope it still isn't. That shit will get you hurt.
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>>22801951
Wehrmacht, Bulgarians People's Army, and finally the United States Navy/Army/Marines.
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>>22800559
>same weight but different height.
>5'7''
>6'1''
Either you have a tubby fat bastard rolling around because he's as wide as he is long, or you have a fucking lumbering skeletor who will fall over if the wind kicks up.

>same strength
The taller guy will be much stronger in absolute values by definition. The short fellow will have a smaller hit box and need less food and water. Given that a minimum of strength is all that's needed, the little fellow wins.
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>>22800753
didn't teenagers lie about their age and get into the US military though during WW2?
Then again that could just be hollywood bullshit I've seen in 90% of movies
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>>22801021
How much is height going to affect your ability to get behind cover?
I mean if you're worried about getting shot I don't see how a few inches is going to save your life.
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>>22802061
Yes they did but they were usualy like 17 or so not that much younger than 18
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>>22801146
>being this much of an ignorant weeaboo faggot
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>>22802061
Happened all way to Vietnam. People just lied about their age to get in and when they did find out it was already too late as they were trained and ready to deploy.
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>>22801258
All the boxes are the same size dipshit they just cut off peoples legs who are too tall and say it was an IDE to save money.
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most guys in sas and royal marines are borderline midgets. think about that...
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>>22800935
Canada
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>>22801533

Hence why being short is so important. Who do you think you're more likely to hit with your instant death bullet? A 7 foot tall goliath, or a 3.4 foot tall dwarf? It's rather basic math that the larger you make something, the higher the probability it shall make contact with another object. This is why Soviet tanks have such low profiles, for instance: Because the best defense they have is not getting hit.

This is also why high-profile tanks like the Sherman were undesirable: the taller the object, the harder it is to conceal, and the easier it is to target.
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So how much does it cost to properly size equipment for the 2 extremes in height?
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>>22800559
I hate to say it but my Drill Instuctor said once that short mexicans make the best marines to operate the saw because they are a smaller target...I have noticed in my deployment that completely opposite of Hollywood logic big guns are given to the small guys.
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>>22803051
Everyone in this thread keeps on saying that the little guys are given the big guns (lmgs,mmgs). Is there any validity besides hearsay that it's some tactic?
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>>22800559
Does it matter? Yeah, but not as much as it used to. So long as you're not a midget or a giant, it's a moot issue after training.
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>>22803636
I'm 5'6", I won't lie, I've been reading this thread because of a height complex. Regardless of who I am, I've had girls reject and stand me up on dates cause of my height. Knowing I would've been useful in combat is redeeming enough.

I'm a poor, loveless hack who doesn't deserve anything . .
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Is the second last guy in OP's Pic of the the Italian Army?
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>>22803668
>you feeling it now mr.anon?
Care to share your stories? What is your preferred weapon?
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>>22803613
As far as training is concerned, it's just to put added pressure on little guys so they learn to manage the weapon. So happens when they deploy as well, training has a side effect of making you useful with the weapon, who better to use it than the guy that had to haul it around and work with it in the rear.
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>>22803998
So, it's for compensation?
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>>22803668
I feel a bit insecure about my height too. I'm 5'8"
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>>22800772
Can get behind cover easier
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>>22803668
>>22804091
I'm fucking 5'11'' 1/4 and I feel insecure about my height.
>If I was only 2 inchs taller...
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>>22803668
I'm 5'7" on a good day. Women who judge on height, I generally don't have time for, but men who care are usually looking for an ego boost, so they'll try to stand over you, so to speak; it can be really subtle, even just in the body language of someone passing you on the street.

Know when to be small, know when to act bigger than you look. The ability to avoid notice is the short man's advantage, but with that ability comes the potential to make that much bigger an impact, when actions and behavior come from places that a larger man wouldn't expect.
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>>22804170
I'm fucking 6'10"... If only I was 2" taller I'd be master chief status.. the feels..
>bitches want me bc I'm tall
>no game needed
>my cock is as thick as a coke can
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>>22801216
[baiting intensifies]
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>>22804260
I should also add that it works on women too. Women know what they want, and go out looking for it, but if you show a girl something she'd like, but would have overlooked on her own, you can fill her desires on your terms, which offers you more control over an inherently calculating and manipulative person.

Or, you can wait around for a woman who isn't a vapid, self-obsessed cunt.
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>>22804170
I'm 6'4 and I sometimes feel insecure as well friend, doesn't help my dad is 6'8, happens to all of us.
>>22804285
Nice priyatel.
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>>22804285
Oh shit, master chief is 6'10".. I am master chief status?
>the glory
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>>22804285
w0t
w0t
w0t
m8
>you're fucking 6'10''
>wanting to be 7 feet tall
>you must have meant 5'10''.
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>>22803668
>>22804091
>>22804170
Jesus Christ, I'm 5'3" stop letting shit like height get to you.

Get some confidence and keep your head held high no matter what the situation throws at you.
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>>22804354
>waiver for overheight
Bet you'll never see one of these again
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>>22804380
What the absolute fuck man.
>So what happened you got discharged?
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Meh, most of my family is Polish and Irish so everyone is at least sub 6'2. I'm 5'10 after all.
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>>22804425
How tall are the women in Eastern Europe?
>If you've been there/seen them
Most I've seen in the USA is 5'11''.
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>>22804422
Med separated.. my right hip is destroyed
>now have permanent limp
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>>22804482
Wow that sucks man.
>Were you ever in combat?
>Did you break your hip while in combat?
>Or did this happen in PT?
>How does it feel to break a hip?
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>>22804366
Yeah, I'm like 5'4'' maybe 5'5''. Gotta utilize ur skills. Infiltration is my game. Plus whenever I'm down I think about Audie Murphy. 5'5'', 110lbs. Most decorated soldier of WWII. This guy had balls of steel and gives hope to small guys everywhere. Plus I have a 6'1'' friend I roll with. Gotta even out ur squad.
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>>22804469
Most southern/eastern Slavic won't be taller than 5'9, reference is my whole family and personal living experience.
>>22804482
That sucks dick friend, us taller guys usually have back or hip problems later in life.
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>>22804562

Pretty much this.
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>>22804517
All I'm going to say about what happened is:
>army doctors suck (refused to give an xray for 3 months)
>army physical therapy is a fucking joke
>I am extremely bitter about it
I would have recovered in the hands of a civilian doctor. I can no longer run, I can barely jog.
>>22804562
Yep, I have a feeling I'll be getting a hip replacement soon.. sucks to know your body is failing at 26
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>>22804533
>Plus I have a 6'1'' friend I roll with. Gotta even out ur squad.
kek
>>22804562
>Most southern/eastern Slavic won't be taller than 5'9''
Thanks for the response.
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>>22804629
>sucks to know your body is failing at 26
That's spooky.
>>army doctors suck (refused to give an xray for 3 months)
>>army physical therapy is a fucking joke
>>I am extremely bitter about it
I've heard that the army medical care was shit, but never this bad to refuse someone help for a life debilitating injury.
>What branch of the US military were you in?
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>>22804665
Yeah dude, they're fucking cheap as shit.
>doc my hip is fucked up
>hip literally fucking black, purple, green
>Oh, we'll just stab you with a needle IN THE FUCKING SITE to increase blood flow to the area
>do some of these exercises if you can
>no run profile
>g2g
Yep.. after I shockingly didn't show improvement they said my only option was to be med sep'd. But hey I didn't have to do shit through that process. Woke up, got coffee, hung out at cq, maybe drove someone somewhere, got shit faced at night
I was army
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>>22804753
Shit like this is why I didn't join and referred my brother to the air force. I've heard from other's that they treat and pay their people much MUCH better.
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>>22800559

There are lots of anecdotes that suggest that small individuals will fare better >>22800559
in combat and in long-term survival situations than large individuals.

I remember reading in Antony Beevor's book on Stalingrad that most of the German survivors of the kessel were short. The tall and large people who made it to the Soviet POW camps were also at a higher risk of dying.

The common explanation is that smaller people require fewer calories than do larger people. If you've got a 5'2" manlet and a 6'4" goliath, the tall guy is going to weigh a lot more, his heart has to beat a lot harder to circulate blood up and down his body, and he's going to use a lot more energy moving himself around to do everyday things than a smaller person would.

That said, you have to be careful when doing these kinds of non-scientific analyses. In WW2, large American soldiers were routinely singled out to carry the BAR, or to be on machine gun and mortar crews, or to carry flamethrowers. All of those occupations are high-risk jobs on the battlefield, because they draw the most enemy fire. Maybe the larger people in Stalingrad were only at a disadvantage because they were put into high-risk situations.
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>>22804824
>>22804824
>The common explanation is that smaller people require fewer calories than do larger people. If you've got a 5'2" manlet and a 6'4" goliath, the tall guy is going to weigh a lot more, his heart has to beat a lot harder to circulate blood up and down his body, and he's going to use a lot more energy moving himself around to do everyday things than a smaller person would.

This is true. My maintenance calories for 5'6" is 2100, but I can survive on 1600. I can't imagine most of those guys in Stalingrad got more than that a day.
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>>22804824
>Bigger guys in more calories
true
nice perspective, wonder if there is more statistics on height and combat.
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>>22800677
>Ruck marches do hurt real bad though, real real bad.

kek eat it manlet
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>5'3''
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isnt there a jacked 5'5 guy on /k/?
does he have any mil experience?
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If we're considering advantages, smaller soldiers not only require less food to support their bodies, but they can maneuver easily through or conceal themselves. Also they'd be advantageous in colder climates due to less surface area of the body, probably inverse for hot weather.
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>>22804629
Soon civvie care will suck too, thanks obamacare
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>>22800559
"hi /k/, I heard you want to see what difference height makes in 1-1 comabt"
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>>22800559
For men no, for women yes.
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>>22800772

Smaller targets
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>>22800559
Its a well known fact that short guys can 'ruck', 'hump', tab, yomp and stomp better than taller guys. lower centre of gravity and better height to weight ratios. Look at your typical British Paratrooper, they are on average short and stocky.
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>>22801251
im 5`4
are you serious? if the enemy mistakes you for a kid then that is an advantage
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>>22805751
Their operatorness is in reverse proportion to their height, from the looks of it.
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>>22800913
>That said, he WAS dwarfed by his guards and generals. He was short for a military man.
Well, when it came to the Imperial Guard, he hand-picked everyone who was basically the biggest, toughest soldiers in all of France. They were there to look impressive, as much as be impressive.

But overall, height = manliness is a rather overblown concept.


>mfw the overly aggressive, hyper, and jockish guy in my IT class was being a dick one day...
>mfw he says he's 'bigger than me' because he's like an inch or two taller.
>point out I'm like one and a half times his size, he laughs, and we stand a few inches apart.
>mfw I'm about an half an inch taller, and still broader in the chest and shoulders (19" from the tip of he acromion bone) than he is.
>'alpha' male is pissed as fuck and walks away
>rest of class chuckling

I'm 5'10" for the records, in the average range, but frankly this Manlet stuff, along with anyone who acts 'Alpha' is a whole load of crap, put out mainly by overgrown children and dumbasses who would be labelled a nigger for their behavior if their skin was dark enough.
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>>22800772
that guy on the left is pretty kawaii
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>>22806043
>but frankly this Manlet stuff, along with anyone who acts 'Alpha' is a whole load of crap, put out mainly by overgrown children and dumbasses who would be labelled a nigger for their behavior if their skin was dark enough.
Someone on 4chan with actual sense? I am astonished. Please visit /fit/ and tell them they're all retarded.
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>>22805751
Looks like them duke boys are at it again.
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>>22806043
Oh yeah, forgot to mention. My shoes were especially thick soled, so he was probably taller than me by a small margin, actually.

>mfw he was still a dick and everyone in class got to see his face rubbed in it
>plus I still would have had an extra 50% in mass on him (not fat, but bone and meat, I'm only 220 pounds, so there's fat but not a substantial amount... besides, I've been lazy the last 6 months, otherwise I wouldn't have that).
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>>22801493
This.
I did the KSK evaluation course back in 2011, got through and accepted aswell.
Decided against it in the end, but the experience was interesting. You did have the typical brutes wanting to be Ares himself but none of them got accepted. The others were pretty normal dudes, one J1 officer even. Fit, clever and mentally tough as nails, but no Schwarzeneggers.
You wouldn't suspect any of them of beeing ice cold motherfuckers if you just passed them in the street.
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poster related. Back when the British army's minimum height was 5'4, they made battalions during WWI of soldiers below the height standards so they could join the fight
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Read a book called "At the Sharp End", by an American author who collected stats from WWII. He analyzed each combat arm, but the infantry one is obviously of interest here.

From what I recall of his stats from the Normandy Campaign, two things stood out: If you lived for the first week or so, you tended to survive the whole war. The other was that the smaller guys tended to last longer than their taller counterparts. They were faster to cover, more agile, smaller targets, and could hide behind more objects. It's just common sense when you think about it.

I'm 6'3/215lbs, and one thing I have learned over the years is to respect all opponents.

To do otherwise is foolish.
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My great uncle once told me a story from when he was in the army, so a long time ago. The crux of it all was a boxing match between the stereotypical big beefy sergeant and little tiny private. One of the officers heard about it and decided a boxing match would be the best way to settle things once and for all between the two.

And it ended with the private cleaning the guy's clock, because he was a Golden Glove champion.
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Found the book:

http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-End-The-Fighting-World/dp/068416728X/ref=cm_rdp_product/184-4729417-6814338
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