Hey /k/ My gramps died last month and my cousin and I was going

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For what it's worth I know her fought in Korea and Nam. He was a very quite man, respectable. I wish I got to know him better.
>Inb4 fag that's a Eruopian sword
I know that, but is it circa WW1 or WW2?

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Also many men in my family have died over seas
>not attention whoring, just it might help
I think my great grand uncle fought for the Scotish roots we posses which makes me wonder why this thing has been passed down.

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Please /k/, make the day of a poor soul who is grieving and confused?
>You guys owe me nothing, but any gracious fags out their?

Really? No One?
>Letting me down /k/
I just want to know what it says. German fags get in here.

>>22064578
OP don't get impatient with us. this board is slower than the one you're from and topics on page 5 get bumped back up to page 1 if someone takes interest.

>>22064550
that's a blurry fucking pic you got there.

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>>22064485
bump for neat sword

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>>22064604
S-sorry, just kinda a lurker at heart. I don't post more than 3 times a month on auto or toy. Thanks for the bump tho>>22064636

>>22064636
My cell sucks bawls, sorry.

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>>22064636
My cell sucks bawls, sorry. Here is another.

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>>22064782
>fuck

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>>22064813

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Here is the german written out. Some letters don't even look like they are serious.

>>22064895
>Cant read text from pictures
>Writes it out and takes a picture of the text

Why

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Better pics I hope

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>>22064909
The letters I bet have never been on a keyboard. How am i supposed to fuckin type it?

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Also there is a hinge? Makes me think it is a sword made to be ridden with a horse?

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Belt loop on the scabbard?

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Bumping with others in my collection till this mystery is solved.

Hey OP, if you don't get any answers now, you might try posting it again at night. /k/ tends to get better at night. Good luck

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Ol Smokey

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>>22065049
Thanks man, will do.

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Any lurkers left?

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O/k/, I'll try later guys
See you at 7-ish

>>22065081
I'm still here. Dam cool swords.

>>22064935
Would you happen to have any family named Wegener, Müller, Holl, or Srggütte.?

What I can make out from this picture is:
>... for 30 years loyal service
>... Sotm. Wegener, Ob. Lt. Müller, Lt. Holl, Lt. Srggütte.

Looks like a commemorative sword given to some officers.

>>22065121
Well shit. I don't know German, so I have to go through a combination of Google Translate and my old German-English dictionary for these things. They take a bit of time.

>>22065131
Nah, all of us have last names ending in C's
>Cowden, Clacher, and Cunningham
I remember a scene from band of brothers where German officers would give their sword to the Americans when they lost. Could it be a similar deal I wonder?

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P-please come back, OP.

German fag here
My internet is being a faggot and wont load but when it does I will translate

>>22064895
>>22065131
yeah seems about right. I think it says Oberfeldwebel in the beginning so that's his rank
Which is a second level sub officer or whatever they are called. NCO's i think.

It says Dem Oberfeldwebel Schlürer(not sure on the l, this is his name) for 30 years of loyal service. Officer of the 3rd Citizen Kompanie

and the rest are some names and words that you probably didn't get right or abbreviations

>>22065182
Might be. 30 years service makes it seem like it's something from the German Empire. Any family in Europe in the 1940s? It might be a war trophy, definitely cooler than a Jewish man bringing back Hitler's left testicle or something.

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>>22065143
Good luck anon, that shit is in cursive and like a century old. Finger knife for your effort though.

>>22065244
I'm German and can read that weird squiggly writing it's just really hard to see on some pictures of a shiny blade with non coloured letters.

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>>22065200
Nice dubs, also thanks for telling me it's a service sword. It's all news to me.
Captcha: sea ardaim
>uncle's an admiral

>>22065216
So, it's:

>To Senior Field Guide Schlürer for 30 years loyal service
>...[rank] Wegener, Senior Lieutenant Müller, Lieutenant Holl, Lieutenant Srggütte.

I can't read the bottom part of >>22064921 very well, but it's probably just the people who the gift sword was from. We'll probably have to wait for Germanbro to translate it better for us.

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>>22065230
Definitely, We don't really like the penny pinchers that much.

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>>22065216
>>22065353
Damn, thanks man. I should have learned a relevant language instead of fucking dirty mange-lish.

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>>22065216
>>22065216
>>22065230
>>22065353
I just found this on the side, probably explains the 30 years service.

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Also this is the maker's mark I assume? A "C. B." and a what looks like a half faded squirrel.
So more pics of the Empire swords or my shit collection?

>>22064921
>>22064935

Future german military historian here.

pics are pretty shitty, can't make out that after "gewidmet" but it reads:
> Dem Vice Feldwebel Schlüter für 30 Jahre treue Dienste
> gewidmet ... Offiz. d. III. Bürger Comp. Hptm. Wegener, Ob.Lt. Müller, Lt. Noll, Lt.Schütte.

It's a ceremonial rapier for 30 years of service in the prussian army. The rank "Vize Feldwebel" didn't exist anymrore after Kaiser Willhelm II. was abolished in 1918.

OP should invest in a camera with a decent lens with a fast shutter, or a tripod, or both.

Blurry with shit lighting is the exact opposite of what one needs for making out crazy pre-nazi moon runes engraved on a sword.

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>>22065550
DUDE! Made my day.

>>22065507
Thats the mark of Carl Eickhorn, Solingen, a German blade manufacturer. Seems like a honor weapon for a 30 year service anniversary.

P.S. the Rank is Vicefeldwebel and the name is Schlüter and the weapon itself is a Hofdegen a type of smallsword.

>>22065596
>>22065277
>>22065200
To all my German fags, I have the righting in 4 pics
You guys made my week

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>>22065625
It feels light as a feather, but a blade longer than a yard stick hardly seems small.

>>22065658
Fencing weapons are always light, and smallswords especially, they are what modern sports fencing weapons trace their roots from. It is by no means a battle weapon, non the less it is highly lethal an can ventilate a guy real good.

>>22065550
>1873-1903
>Purssian army
Wait, so the Imperial German army was made up of smaller state armies, like the Bavarian army, Prussian army, etc?

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>>22065695
Ooh, well I bet with out some of the water damage this thing would sing trew th air

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What is this insignia? You told me of a smith long dead a long time ago in a land far, far away. Don't fail me now /k/

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The engravings seem to be acid washed in or something? It would be absurd if they were hammered in by like a chisel or something.

>>22065764
Thats the Mark of Clemen & Jung. Solingen.

>>22065708
Well yea, kinda. The imperial "Deutsches Heer" incorperated the prussian, bavarian, saxon and the württembergian armys which were subordinated unter prussian leadership during wartime. In peacetime, each of them had there seperate administration / Kriegsministerium.

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God it was like this when i took it out of the blade for the first time, makes me almost tear up.

>>22065843
Huh, that's pretty cool. I guess it makes sense, with the relatively diplomatic way the Empire was formed.

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>>22065843
interesting

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You guys made me happy, and sad that I will never truly know how my wizened old grandfather obtained these.

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Oh! He played cards like a fucking mad man, bridge poker rummy and some weird Chinese ones that escape my memory. I tried to teach him magic but after he beat my green black with a blue he said he didn't like it due to 'there being too many uncontrollable variables' mabe he won them when he was deployed?

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It seems like a lot to bet, but he hung out with drunks some times. Also Should I sharpen it or leave it the way it is? I don't know if my sharpeners can save the blade from being shaved.

>>22065871
>>22065876
Mind you this had mostly administrative purposes during peacetime. Only the emperor / Kaiser had the right to wage war and was surpreme commander of the Heer during wartime.

>>22065985
DO NOT FUCKING TOUCH IT!
you can apply some non acidic oil like sword oil or Balistol with a soft cloth, thats it.
DO NOT FUCKING TOUCH IT!
If you need something to cut soda bottles in your yard get a fucking Hanwei but leave the historic pieces alone.
DO NOT FUCKING TOUCH IT!
DO NOT FUCKING TOUCH IT!
DO NOT FUCKING TOUCH IT!
DO NOT FUCKING TOUCH IT!

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Why would the fold-able side have the engraved backwards E, Juli and date? Wouldn't the fold-able side go against the body when worn?

My grandfather brought one of these home as well. Don't have any photos sadly, but it is pretty much identical, except for maybe the hilt? I don't recall how it looked, been several years since I saw it last. It's in excellent condition, my grandfather (and grandmother after he passed) kept it oiled and didn't like taking it out.

The inscription looked pretty much the same, lots of German and fancy inscriptions. The story I was told is that it was found in a storage compartment under the bleacher seats of a stadium somewhere in Germany.

Also taken from that storage compartment: Two fuckhuge swastika banners like you see in photos of Nuremburg and other rallies (They're probably 6ft wide and about 25ft long) One w/ one swastika, the other with three iirc; a homemade deerskin messenger bag (pretty cool, but pretty gross 70 years later); some tiny pocketbooks with mein kampf excerpts (about 3 inches in size); two german officer hats, and a helmet that seems like it was made to fit a 12 year old.

He also has a bunch of reichsmarks and shit from an obliterated bank they cleared.

Wish I had photos to share, but most of this stuff is at my grandmothers house in a closet somewhere still.

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>>22066042
N-no I mean to sharpen it to show off, decorative piece you know? Of course I am not going to sharpen it now thinking it over. I'm not that fag neck beard in New Jersey that was on tosh.0. No, this will be kept in my family forever if I have any say.

>>22065876
Looks like the III. Bürger Companie was an artillery company.
>crossed cannons, cleaning rods, colors, oak leafs

>>22066130

Why would you sharpen it to show it off? Are you dumb or something?

>>22066130
I doubt it was ever sharp, since it's just a ceremonial blade for processions and shit.

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>>22066062
Cool, I wish my grandfather was like minded. Sadly the larger sword's leather towards the tip is falling apart and there are flaky black parts all over the blade. Should I take it to a jeweler to restore it? I'm not going to sharpen it nor try and fix it myself, but I want to restore it. If I shouldn''t let me know. And how should I keep it stored?
>it was in a fucking water logged box when we found it

>>22066048
>backwards E
lol anon, thats a "3"

>3. Juli (3rd of july)
>1873-1903

Probably the date of the cermony?

>>22066130
don't. it'll just ruin a historic artefact, change a fond piece of memory, lower its actual value and you have a fair chance of fucking it up in the process. smallswords were mostly used for thrustfencing, btw, so while most had an edge, the were mainly used to stab someone to death. so no real need to sharpen it

>>22066366
if you think that this sword was intended for any type of combat use, I have some bad news for you anon

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>>22066161
S-sorry, shouldn't let every idea in my head take over.
So Balistol oil, then glass case for the both of them?

>>22066377
Eickhorn and Clemen & Jung where both respectable blade makers, while those are clearly ceremonial swords they are most likely still made to military standards.

>>22066393
yes. clean cotton with the oil rubbed on the spots of rust to help remove them. it will take a lot and you shouldn't try to do it all at once.

>>22066161
Is it as interesting to show someone a Bengal tiger you bought if you had it declawed and gave it a muzzle.

At the same time you are right. I'm just saying that is probably generally what was going through his head no reason to call him stupid.

Like that other dude said probably was never sharp.

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>>22066351
>egg on my face
>>22066377
I don't/never thought that. I just was wondering if it was ever sharp. You know to restore it to what it once was. I would do anything for it to be like it was.
>>22066137
Damn, you guys know your shit. That probably explains all the cannons on the smaller one

>>22066377
where in my post did i claim that this particular sword did? it's not like this is the only smallsword ever used, is it?

>>22065550


so Was the man aa good soldier?

>Vize Feldwebel
From 1887 the Offizierstellvertreter (Deputy Officer) ranked as a kind of Warrant Officer (more NCO than officer) between Feldwebel and the commissioned officers.

There were three further NCO ranks: Vizefeldwebel (Vice Feldwebel, senior NCO), Sergeant (junior NCO) and Unteroffizier (Lance Sergeant or Corporal, junior NCO). The Gefreiter was not an NCO as he had no powers of authority, and was a higher grade of private soldier.

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>>22066434
Thanks, at least I wasn't the only one having thought this.
>>22066420
Information is much appreciated anon, should it be in oil all the time? Or like after a month period then in a dark area so as not to damage the leather?
>I'm a fucking novice
>>22066408
The metal does seams like it will last another century no problem. So their names were Eickhorn, Clemen & Jung? Jung though, seems a little... off?

Hey OP, please remember to tell your family and future offspring the importance of not sharpening it and leaving it as it is, they may not be as careful as you. I've seen stuff get destroyed like that before, don't want to see it again.

>>22065985
>>22066042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb3UobSZl34

DO NOT FUCK WITH IT!

>>22066523
>Jung though, seems a little... off?
why?

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>>22066483
OH, I never said what he did
>don't fukkin back trace this shit and steal my soul 4chin plz :^)
He was a tank driver(?) in the Guards Armoured Division since he had basically a duel citizenship. Long live the king and all that.

>>22066538
its tape

>>22066523
>Jung though, seems a little... off?
>>22065835
>>22065625
Thats the manufacturers mark, both companies produced cold steel weapons during both world wars, both exist to this very day, Eickhorn still makes bayonets for the Bundeswehr, and Clemen & Jung make handcuffs under the Clejuso brand.

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>>22066585
It seems oriental to me, but hey this tread is a testament to idiots not knowing what they have, what to do whit what they have and not knowing how they got it, so I could be wrong again.
>>22066538
>>22066528
Absolutely, if not for it's value I will tell my spawn of how noble and just my grandfather was, and to keep the swords in pristine condition as a tribute to him and our surname.

>>22064485
>is this a /k/i/k/ slaying saber?

Very mature.

Why not use Google translate for a rough idea of what they say?

>>22066523
lightly oiled should keep it fine. oil it depending on the humidity of your location and the location of where you are going to keep it.

>>22066701
yfw when jung is the german word for young

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>>22066538
>>22066042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3BZrvvfvIo
This was me like 7 years ago.

>>22066483
Afaik the Vizefeldwebel was the lowest NCO with Portepee / swordknot. Therefore he was above NCOs without swordknot (corporal, sergant, ensign) but below any other NCOs with swordknot. An ensign with swordknot was the next in rank after the Vizefeldwebel.

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>>22066721

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They are Hofdegen swords
The larger blade says:
> Dem Vice Feldwebel Schlüter für 30 Jahre treue Dienste
> gewidmet ... Offiz. d. III. Bürger Comp. Hptm. Wegener, Ob.Lt. Müller, Lt. Noll, Lt.Schütte.
It's a ceremonial rapier for 30 years of service in the prussian army.
Manufactured by (larger) Carl Eickhorn and (smaller) Clemen & Jung
He was a Vize Feldwebel in the Bürger Companie

Anything more to add /k/? You have helped me out a lot and I can't thank you enough

>>22066998
>It's a ceremonial rapier for 30 years of service in the prussian army.
German imperial army would be more correct, can't say he was in the prussian for sure (even though the sword manufacturer was located in Solingen / Prussia)
>gewidmet Offiz. d. III. Bürger Comp. Hptm. Wegener, Ob.Lt. Müller, Lt. Noll, Lt.Schütte.

basically means the Degen was sponsored by the COs of the III. citizen company for him -> captain Wegener, senior lieutenant Müller, lieutenant Noll and lieutnant Schütte

>Bürger Companie
might have been an artillery company

>>22067244
oh and yeah: cool sword bro, take good care of it. My family has barely anything left from our personal history. My grandma was on the run from prussia at the end of ww2 and had to leave lots of stuff behind

OP, treat the scabbard with Obenauf's Heavy Duty LP. It's primarily beeswax and tree resin. It contains no harmful oils that will soften or deteriorate the leather.