Strike One Pistol

>>21824808
>wants other manufacturers to make pistols with the same action type
>shill

>>21824798
I want this hard, but I doubt it'll be economical.

>>21824846
Fuck it. If it costs twice as much as a Glock I'd still buy it.

It's fucking worth it.

I'm going to replace my P226 duty pistol with this when it becomes available

>>21824808
>shill

Jesus christ summer /k/ is such shit.

Just because someone likes something and wants to talk about it doesn't make them a fucking shill

Go shitpost on /pol/ you faggots

>>21824856
Well, on the one hand Russian products are generally good quality for cheapish prices. On the other hand, all the effort to import it to the US could affect the price quite a bit.

Sure, they look promising as hell.
But so did the R51.

Expected release date and price point?

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They have aluminum frame models too.

>>21824895
>I'm going to waste $500+ worth of taxpayer money because I can
FTFY

It looks anorexic, but who knows. It might be the greatest pistol of all time or it might be shit, I know I'll at least try it.

>>21824918
These have been out in Russia for quite a while. It's just new to the US.

>>21824902
/pol/ is being raided hard right now, so expect the SJW crowd to spill over here for a while.

>>21824922
>Buying a new product is now wasting money.

I guess you never buy anything new.

>>21824808
>Looking forward to new products is shilling

I'm sure you'll be shitting your pants when Glock announces they are releasing their only pistol again for the 50th time though.

>>21824959
>Buying a new product that you don't need with taxpayer money just because you want a new gun but don't want to buy it with your own funds is wasting money
Again FTfY

>>21824956
And thusly hasn't been properly tested on the civilian market.

>>21824919
Looks like it has a feed ramp and also tilts.

>>21824798
>lowest of any pistol in history
That's a bold statement.

>>21824798
>>super low bore axis; lowest of any pistol in history
muh rhino

>>21824988
The rep in that video said so...

>>21824977
>Taxpayer money
If you mean his personal money than sure, he can blow it however he wants. Nobody is buying the gun for him you dumb shit stain.

>He doesn't NEED that gun
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, DO YOU?

>>21824922
>implying 75% of cops don't buy their own pistols

It's like you know nothing about being in any position to use a pistol for...duty.

>>21824978
But it's not completely untested like the R51, it's been in use by (at least) some elements of Spetsnaz.

R51 a shit, Strike One probably (hopefully) not a shit

>>21825009
See
>>21824895
>duty pistol
If its his own money fine but this implies that its not which he can fuck off and use the SIg. No he doesn't need a new gun at all on the taxpayer's dime until his shits out on him. Fuck you.

>>21825020
Here's hoping, but here's not holding my breath as well.

>>21825014
>implying that 25% of cops wasting taxpayer money on new and expensive guns is justified

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>mfw full auto pdw conversion kit
>dat ridiculous MG42 rate of fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-yOEP0oLnk

>>21824798
> non tilting barrel
> not a fixed barrel

>>21825014
This.

My department issues every officer a Glock 19, but we are allowed to use any personal weapon we want so long as it makes some reasonable requirements and you can qualify with it.

Hell, I met a highway patrol officer who carried a fucking single action army.

>>21824798
>It's probably not the best looking gun in the world though.
Its sorta slick looking nice change after all modern fat pistols.

>>21825046
was he barney fucking fife?

>>21824798
This looks and sounds an awful lot like what Remington attempted and failed with the R51...

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>>21824856
1,177$ ~ here in sweden
New glock 17 gen4 cost 1044$
>I want a green one for Innawood

>tfw Americans cry about gun prices
Happy 4th July burger i hope you went out shooting

>>21825046
>Officer Patton, report
>AM READING SUSPECT'S BOOK

>>21824798
Someone's trying to re-invent the wheel again. 99.99% of the time, they just end up complicating it.

Also, it looks like the slide would eat your hand for lunch.

>>21825061
Once again, unlike the R51, this has been around and been in use for a few years now.

>>21825046
>modern law enforcement
>carrying an SAA
Biggest. Badass. Ever.

>>21825062
Jesus fuck. Why the massive price inflation on funz in Euroland...?

>>21825061
Except the R1 was based on an earlier, good design, and was fucked due to Remington/Cerberus quality rather than design problems.

This is a new design by a trusted manufacturer.

>>21825043
Do fixed barrels on pistols even make much difference?

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>with Magpul tier ergonomics and looks

Could you not

>>21825060
>>21825067

Evidently he was in CAS for a long time and had a custom duty belt made that had cartridge loops between his cuffs and shit. I didn't get to talk for long.

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>>21825068
>someone's trying to re-invent the wheel again
>implying that's a bad thing

I bet you still believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," don't you?

>>21825062
Pretty much the same price in Canada. An importer of Russian goods started getting them in pretty recently. I'm lusting after a gray framed one with the stainless slide.

>>21825068
>i have fat ass hands

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>>21825118
No.

>>21825122
If I am ever in a similar situation, I will do my utmost to have an Obrez as a duty weapon.

Won't be worth shit unless they offer it in 10mm. And a 10mm round would break that thing.

>>21825093
supply and demand i guess.
we don't have many pistol shooters compared to fudd hunters.
>good luck getting into 3gun in sweden.... people can barely join pistol shooting clubs since the que is so long


with that we can find some sweet deals on auctions.

Last auction i was it had this and several other c96. I did not have my license yet
>German Mauser, C96 Bolo
Caliber 7,63 (never heard of this)
Barrel lenght 10cm
Adjustable sight 50-100m
Wood stock / Holster "?"
5of5 Condition

This pistol was probably 1 of 300 that was bought for the Swedish "Munckska Kåren"
Stockholms Airforces (volunteer's) During 1920 handed out to some of them.
>1 428$

>>21825068
>Someone's trying to re-invent the wheel again. 99.99% of the time, they just end up complicating it.
Nothing wrong with trying to perfect the wheel.
>Also, it looks like the slide would eat your hand for lunch.
If you don't know how to hold a hand gun and/or have whale flippers as hands.

>>21825166
Looks like dogshit.

>>21824798
Looks like a Glock fucked a CZ-75B/Hi-Power and this is what came out, I mean liike like we have a cam on the barrel, tilts and locks, and if availble in polymer and aluminum sounds like a SP-01/P01 etc

Made in italy and they have some knowhow in copying CZ's (Tanfolgio/Witness anyone?)

Let's see it in some real action and see how it does... looks like its got some potential and maybe 5 more years of customer input should help them out in getting a better arm.

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>>21825168

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>>21825173
forgot pic

I wonder how good/bad the trigger is. Is it fully ambidextrous?

>>21825167
Sorry Anon, but one of the basic requirements I mentioned was that the gun has to be a pistol.

And before you say it, the magazine has to be inside the grip if its a semi-automatic weapon. Yes, I've thought about trying to qualify with a M92.

>>21825033
>Implying a cop just gets to get online and order an fn fiveseven because he feels like it
>25% use the issued weapon they had no choice in picking

You're a fucking retard.

>>21825168
Hate to break it to you, but 10mm Auto is a special snowflake niche caliber that never caught on and never will because it recoils too hard for many smaller framed people and women in militaries, police forces, and government agencies.

>>21825168
It will be in 9x19, 9x21 imi, .357 sig, and .40 s&w

>>21825178
No one cares what you think you fudd faggot.

>>21825236
Oh look, another retard that doesn't know what Fudd means.

>>21825231
>>21825224
>replying

>>21825084
this.

>>21825213
MAC-10 or Uzi semi-auto. Yes.

>>21825213
single action army is a pistol now?

>>21825221
Yeah I'm sure agencies like the LAPD pay for all of that tacticool gear out of pocket.

Shouldn't you be out shooting vagrants?

>>21825244
He assumed you were a fudd because you despise something that looks "tactical."

>>21824922
I have to buy it myself if I don't want the departments

so... fuck off

>>21825291
I'm sure you'll be the coolest mall cop at Mall of America ever :^) congratulations

>>21825326
THANKS!!!

>>21825326
I like the jew nose :^)

>>21824798
It...It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life.

>>21825264
Uhhh. Ya, they kinda do pay out of pocket. They are given a budget and the brass has to approve of every purchase they make. They are taxpayer funded but they do not have unlimited funds.

Also, your duty gun does not equal "tacticool gear". My department supplies us with a Glock 19, a baton, cuffs, radio, belt, uniform, and some other gizmos I'm probably forgetting. They do NOT belong to me, EVERYTHING I just said is department property. If you want to use anything else, it comes out of YOUR wallet and your buying it on YOUR time.

No, the police department will not buy me a gold deagle brand deagle using your money.

>>21825413
>If you want to use anything else, it comes out of YOUR wallet and your buying it on YOUR time.
As it should be. I'm sure this doesn't always stand true and there are discrepancies in this though. There are plenty of other state jobs where people abuse tax payer money and I wouldn't put it past them to do this.

>>21824798
that locking action arouses me,

>>21824798
Ok, I want one but I don't want to be the tester of what looks like an $600-800 gun.

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>>21824798
Magpul should make a polymer framed version of this pistol and optimize it for space like their new gen4 Pmags.

>a new era of space guns is upon us

Already bought a VP9, and I try to pace myself at 2 firearm every year. That being said it's nice to see more variety in the market.

>>21825482
>I try to pace myself at 2 firearm every year
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>21824959
>/pol/ is being raided hard right now, so expect the SJW crowd to spill over here for a while.

noone on /pol/ notices something, stop with your filthy lies kiki

>>21825482
>Already bought a VP9,
lel

>>21825487
He's an HKfag.

I've bought around 13 guns this year and there's still 6 months left.

>>21825468
Do the Russians have space guns? We will out gun them with our space STANAGs

>>21825291
My department issues us the ..Glock 37 and 39... Since I work for the State; I have to pay a $350 "accusation fee" to replace my duty sidearm and it is a pain in the ass and expensive to get qualified on a different caliber. If went with a simple 9x19mm handgun it would be $880 (have to buy your ammunition, magazines, spare parts, etc) and multiple that by 5.89%; per the caliber. That this is the cost it takes to get a different caliber sidearm in my department.

My Glock 31 was $1,037.22.

>>21825543
Yeah but it's tax deductible right, lol.

>>21825543
>.45 GAP
Eww, why do they make you suffer so?

>>21825543
> department issues .45s

Nice.

Would you need to pay for ammo still if you bought another .45, or just get your own mags and such?

>>21825594
It's 45 gap though, which is a gross abomination.

>>21825594
It's .45 GAP, it's pig disgusting

>>21825609
>>21825605
There is literally nothing wrong with .45 GAP

>>21825661
That's what the nazi's said about Hitler too.

>>21825680
And they were right.

>>21825661
>proprietary .45 ACP
yah nah

>>21825543
So, FL, GA, NY, or SC?

>>21825573
It wasn't when I switched sidearms. Our Union got that changed within 24 months and threatened to sue the State if we were not reimbursed. That would have been a $250 to $400 million lost for the State if our Union Lawyers had won the suit. So, I got $1,050 back on my State Taxes.

>>21825579
They bought into Glocks propaganda of .45 GAP being revolutionary(pun intended).

>>21825594
Yes; any handgun that is not designated "official". You have to pay out of pocket. I use the Glock 39 for my back up sidearm because I do not feel like paying another $1,000+ for a Glock 33.

>>21825704
SC.

>>21825224
You seem to have never shot a weapon in your life.

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>>21825014

>Duty
>Cop

Pick one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

You aren't soldiers, No one respects you, deal with it.

>>21825811
My agency is already classified as Paramilitary. All Tactical Response Teams are technically paramilitary as well.

>>21825737
where in sc?

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>>21825890
I am with Troop 6 now. I was with Troop 3 originally. I live in Moncks Corner.

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>>21825851
Truly the garbage of humanity on par with the niggers they deal with.

>>21825917
do you have friends in the lancaster sheriffs dept., they have one of my guns and wont give it back.

>>21824798
is it 19+1 flush?
that is the only requirement for my next pistol

>>21825811
The guy is the truck is really bothering me. He probably has his finger on the trigger and looks like he's about to pop a vessel.

>>21825919
I work on the ACE Team. That means we deal specifically with Interstate(I-95, I-26, I-20, I-85, I-385) trafficking of narcotics.

>>21825944
No bur I can check on the status for you for "official purposes". What is the make, model and year and why was it confiscated? You need to tell me truth. So, I can find the log and serial number in the State database.

>>21824995
>pistol
back to reddit

>>21826003
>I work on the ACE Team. That means I'm garbage.
Yup, already covered.

Thanks though.

>>21825811
Good thing I don't work for peoples respect.

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>>21825468
>Magpul should make a polymer framed version of this pistol and optimize it for space like their new gen4 Pmags.

>optimize it for space like their new gen4 Pmags.

>polymer

>optimize it for space

>like their new gen4 Pmags.

I.. I can't...

>>21826090
That is the best way.

I am glad I did not have to work today. The 4th is about the worst day to be in law enforcement. I get fed up after the 12/13th DWI/DWID traffic stop.

>>21824902
B-but it's not Glawk!

>>21825084
No, that's just dumb. It's not the wild west out there, he's not a fucking cowboy. It's irresponsible to carry an antique firearm on duty, I don't care how good you are with it, you're going to be at a big disadvantage against anybody with modern weaponry. He could get himself or a coworker killed because he wants to be a special snowflake.

>>21826090
That's great, you are corrupt, have no ethics and are completely indifferent about it. Good for you, however, don't complain and whine like a child when people correctly point out that cops are degenerate human garbage.

>>21825811

I like how you're implying that we've seen real soldiers in recent years and they deserve our respect.

longbuzzersound.jpeg

>>21825178
That's like, your opinion man. I actually like Magpul's designs, functional and modern, even though everybody likes to rag on them.
>inb4 Fagpul

>>21826181
Maybe he's Revolver Ocelot?

>>21825209
I have a good friend whose opinion I trust above just about anybody's on firearms, he's as much of an expert as anybody. He checked out a Strike One at SHOT show and said everything about it seemed solid, except the trigger, which he said was only average at best.

>>21826003
it was taken because i forgot to put it in my center console when going to a friends house in sc. i always leave it on the seat because nc has open carry and i don't have a ccp.

it was a metro arms 1911 american classic ll and i bought it new in 2013.

the case was dismissed but because i did a program i had to forfeit my gun and was never told i couldn't get it back.

>>21826286
>it was taken because i forgot to put it in my center console when going to a friends house in sc
What?

>>21826308
open carry in a no open carry state(i was driving)

>>21826286
the program was pti

>>21826286
Okay, I will check on it for you. It should have never been taken in the first. You can keep a concealed handgun in your vehicle without a SC CWP as long as the ammunition is stored separate. If it was not in plain sight of the deputy and was found during a search. That would void the probable cause to confiscate it. Trying calling them as well and contact a Lawyer to see if they can help you. If you lawyer up you should have it back within the year. Departments do not want a possible law suit hanging over them.

Do you remember the original deputy/deputies name(s) or badge number(s)(the one(s) who found the 1911 first)? That would help a lot with the lawyer. A Personal and Department lawsuit is usually settled in a favorable manner to the Plaintiff.

>>21825968
It's 17+1 according to their website.
http://www.arsenalfirearms.com/products/strike-pistol-system

>that is the only requirement for my next pistol

Enjoy your Springfield XD.

>>21826380
it was loaded because i open carry in nc. i already talked to the sheriffs dept. and they said they don't give guns back to people who go through pti.
i spoke to a lawyer( before pti) but it would cost more to hire him than the gun is worth.

the only way the sheriffs dept. said i could get my gun back was if the sheriff gives the ok but they said he never does that and he told me that it's policy so he wont.

>>21826518
That Sheriff sounds like a real dick head. I will suggest that you contact SCSLED and start an official complaint against the sheriff's department - South Carolina State Law Enforcement Division.

>>21825937
>i have become fully erect

>>21826405
There is also CZ, who buys springfield anyway?

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>>21824798
>imagine a pistol with the same action type and with Magpul tier ergonomics and looks

pls do it

>>21826518
>he never does that and he told me that it's policy so he wont.
I bet he has an awesome gun collection. You should ask if you can go to his house and see it some time...as a fellow enthusiast and all.

You can guarantee liberal shitheads will call it an assault pistol because of those nifty features.

>super low bore axis; lowest of any pistol in history
No.
>fastest cycle time in a semi auto pistol ever
No.

>>21826794
citation needed. What pistol has a lower bore axis or cycle time?

>inb4 competition pistols with magazine forward of the trigger guard

>>21826794
Care to give any sources to the contrary?

>>21826648
CZs are not striker fired polymer wonder-nines.

>>21825046
OCELOT!?

>>21825468
>>21824798
>>21826107
If they can make it such that you can build one from an 80% frame they'd probably have the best pistol in history.

>>21826846
>CZs are not wonder nines

>>21826830
There are dozens of examples of lower and faster pistols out there.
What they should've said is "out of any modern wondernines"

>>21826868
The liberal butthurt would be glorious.

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>>21826818
>>21826830
As far as "common" pistols go, I know the Caracal and Steyr models are going to be hard as hell to beat. Is the strike one lower then those two? Doubtful, but maybe. Even if it is there are quite a few uncommon pistols that have ridiculous bore axis. Low axis? Yes. Lowest ever in history? No.

As for cycle time, there are TONS of pistols that cycle faster.

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>>21826880
Another example.

>>21826830
Care to give any statistics to back up the original claim?

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>>21825046

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>>21826889

>>21826911
It looks like it's missing something.

>>21826911
I was looking for that one.

>>21826932
If I recall only 3 were made. Why they wouldn't mass produce and sell this design is a fucking mystery of biblical magnitude to me.

Cannot remember what it was called.

>>21826927
Nope, that's it. Notice how the bore is directly in line with where the web between your thumb and index finger would sit.

The hammer and the feed ramp are the same part. Think about that. The hammer is the feed ramp.

>>21826911
It's shaped like Florida

>>21824919
but that's plastic.
also this is some obvious as fuck marketing/samefagging.

>>21826846
then you have more than one requirement

>>21826952
My mind is blown.

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>>21826971

Yeah, those ones are polymer framed, I believe. These ones aren't, however.

>>21824919
>WARNING READ SAFETY MANUAL BEFORE USE
Can people please stop putting this shit on guns?

>>21827019
For import reasons, no.

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>>21827012

>dat red one

>>21827029
Bullshit, my Steyr doesn't have it

>>21826952
I know, I'm just saying it looks like it.

>>21827065
Hm, I assumed it was a law. My N-PAP has it and I highly doubt a bunch of Serbians care if I read the instruction manual or not.

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>>21826952
>The hammer is the feed ramp.

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>>21827012
> no olive drab version

Also, is that powdercoat aluminum or what?

>>21825060
Barney Fife didn't carry a SAA

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>>21827164
It's anodized, apparently.

They also have an olive drab version, but in the polymer framed version.

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>>21824798
>Lowest bore axis of any semi-auto pistol in history

>>21826880
>>21826794

You're wrong, faggot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOirbcsCQ1o

>As for cycle time, there are TONS of pistols that cycle faster.

Name two and post a source.

>>21824798

but why the fuck does it have to be SO ugly?

>>21827528

why is fast cycling a good thing? all that means is that it will be dogshit in a machine pistol conversion.

>>21827549
Faster follow up shots?

>>21827549
>all that means is that it will be dogshit in a machine pistol conversion

Explain exactly how and why.

Protip: burning through ammo faster is not a good reason.

>>21827561

the suggestion that the cycle time -- which is measured in that video in the 0.4-0.6 MILLISECOND range -- is relevant in any way to follow-up shot speed is absolutely fucking laughable. the recoil characteristics of the weapon are far and away the most important factor.

that is to say, the strike one's low-bore-axis layout is not just the most important contributor to fast follow-up shots... it is the ONLY contributor. the cycling time is literally completely and totally irrelevant.

>>21827580

a faster cycling time amplifies muzzle rise.

and it wastes ammo faster, shit for brains.

Can't believe I'd see the day someone argues that faster cycling time is a bad thing.

>>21827561
If it cycles faster than the trigger resets (or you can let it reset), then it's pointless. Besides, do you honestly thing those few milliseconds really fucking matter?

>>21825062

I *did* go out shooting today!

Freedom intensified.

>>21827606

all modern pistols cycle at least two orders of magnitude faster than the point at which it loses all relevance. cycle times are now so fucking fast that we are WELL into the range where "gee, any faster is actually harmful" is really, no shit, it's a thing now.

>>21827528
Cyclic rate of the strike one is said to be 1350rpm. A few that exceed that are:
>Whitney Wolverine
>VP70
>P7/P7M8
>micro uzi/m11
Not that cyclic rate means fuckall on a semiauto pistol, anyway.

>>21827600
>a faster cycling time amplifies muzzle rise

Not necessarily true.

>and it wastes ammo faster, shit for brains

If you don't want to waste ammo DON'T SHOOT THE FUCKING GUN you fucking retarded nigger.

>>21827657

believe it or not, there actually is a reason people have spend thousands and thousands of man-hours developing reliable, durable systems for reducing the cyclic rate of fire of machine guns.

>>21827649
Post numbers or a source you fucking dipshit.

>>21827667
Google it :^)

>>21826045

Isn't a revolver still a pistol?

>>21827666
Ever notice how that's not the case with machine pistols and PDWs?

>>21827666
Well that makes sense in a full-auto design, because the rate of fire directly correlates with recoil. This is semi.

>>21827679
Handgun: Pistol or Revolver
Pistol- glock, strike one, m9
Revolver- Colt Python, single action army

>>21827679
>this discussion again

for the purposes of this thread, a pistol is any handgun with a chamber integral to and inline with the barrel.

>inb4 pepperbox

make one in 10mm.

>>21827549
>all that means is that it will be dogshit in a machine pistol conversion.

pls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-yOEP0oLnk

>>21827692

aaand if you had an attention span of more than 0.046 milliseconds, you'd see that this whole discussion stems from my note earlier that the only impact of the high cyclic rate of fire of the strike one would be to make it dogshit in a machine pistol conversion.

>>21827681

no, i noticed that the czechs implemented one at the cost of reliability and that they're unpopular, but to suggest that there's been no effort or desire to keep rate of fire down below the cyclic rate of the strike one would be, well, wrong.

>>21827697
People say that, but they were calling revolvers "pistols" before "pistols" were invented.

>>21827697
lolno
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pistol?s=t

pis·tol [pis-tl]
noun
1.
a short firearm intended to be held and fired with one hand.

Anyone else thinks the pistol kind of looks like it should be a Kel Tec?

>>21824798
>>went 20,000 rounds with no cleaning and no lube in 4 days with zero stoppages

This is the one part I don't believe at all.

>>21827725
A high rate of fire doesn't inherently make a machine pistol/sub machinegun/PDW dog shit you fucking retarded faggot.

It's actually a desirable trait for some people. Maybe YOU wouldn't want one (you've probably never even fired a full auto gun anyway). That doesn't mean nobody wouldn't want one.

Faggot.

>>21827783
Why not?

>>21827812

Because there is no evidence of it whatsoever and because the rotating mechanism was deemed unreliable by russians.

>>21827798

i've fired more submachineguns than i can remember.

so, okay, a high cyclic rate of fire does not inherently make a machine pistol dogshit. (we are only talking about machine pistols here, obviously, since the strike one is a standard-layout handheld pistol). does it provide any advantage at all? really? returning to battery a couple of millionths of a second earlier is going to give you faster follow-up shots?

see, the reality is that a high cyclic rate of fire, for a machine pistol laid out like a standard handheld pistol, is a very real and tangible liability. it might work out, but the odds are it will work against that conversion. meanwhile, there is literally no practical conceivable advantage to the strike one's cyclic rate at all. none. zero. absolutely nothing.

other than people like you, having a worthless, ignorant, faggotron youtube wank over it.

so shut the fuck up.

>>21827812
That's a round every 20 seconds, constantly, for 4 days.

>>21827782

i can't believe i am actually typing these words, but... no. it's too ugly to be a kel-tec.

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>>21824798
>striker fired

Stopped reading there.

>>21827822
It's not a rotating mechanism.

The locking block and barrel are two separate pieces. The barrel is on rails within the frame, and slides backwards during recoil, and the locking block falls downwards. The barrel slides forward and the locking block raises and locks with the barrel at the end of the cycle. There is no rotation.

>>21825442
Well, it is probably a good thing to keep the cops' arsenals to be up to date, as they do need every advantage they can get. Cops usually get drastic discounts from firearms manufacturers too.

>>21827841
So? That average may seem high, but it's not that unbelievable in full auto, considering its ridiculous cyclic rate.

>>21827841

Do you only fire one round every 20 seconds? If it is true, they most likely kept doing mag dumps for a few hours each day, and handed off the gun to multiple people.

>>21827841
Glocks can do that, as well as M&Ps. Modern handguns are retardedly reliable.

>>21827829
>there is literally no practical conceivable advantage to the strike one's cyclic rate at all. none. zero. absolutely nothing.

That's where you're fucking wrong, dipshit.

Quit acting like you're some fucking expert in firearms technology because you're clearly not. You make fucking stupid ass claims as if you're the end all be all weapons expert of all of 4chan.

YOU shut the fuck up, you arrogant faggot piece of shit.

>>21825256
>urr durr issa revolvurr not a pisstollll

>>21827863
No its not with taxpayer money. They have access to fully automatics unlike civilians and they don't deserve special privileges on foreign guns just because they are tired of their Sig P226s and Glocks. They can use whatever the department issues or buy their own but they don't need shit like HKs that for all intents and purposes shoot the same as cheaper guns just because they can buy them on the taxpayer's dime.

>>21827841
5000 rounds in a day isn't unheard of. You could accomplish that amount in a few hours.

>>21827900

no, i am absolutely serious and completely right. there is no advantage whatsoever to the pistol cycling .00002 seconds faster than a glock. it is literally black-and-white, open-and-shut, absolutely and totally meaningless.

>>21827916
Just like there's no advantage to having 19 rounds opposed to 18.

>>21827924

no, it's more like there's no advantage to 9mm moving at 1000.02 feet/sec instead of 1000 feet/sec. which would be a larger difference than arsenal are claiming, and still instantly dismissed as totally irrelevant.

>>21824798
Looks like the AP pistol in GTAV a little

CZ-75 is the best pistol you can own. Lose the tupperware shit.

>>21827924
It's not like many people can do tight groupings in a situation like that in the first place.

>>21827932
If you want to be fair, comparing 1350rpm vs 1200rpm is more akin to 1350fps vs 1200fps.

>>21826204
>mad

>>21827944

except we're talking about semiautos. a 1350 cyclic rpm pistol literally just is a 1200 cyclic rpm pistol.

>>21827916
>no, i am absolutely serious and completely right

No you are fucking not. You are fucking WRONG. But you just can't accept that, can you? I've worked with dip shits just like you in the industry. You just can't accept the fact that you were proven wrong so you get your panties in a bunch and throw a bitch fit.

>I'M RIGHT YOU GUYS I'M SRS

Even if the difference in cyclic rate is negligible, THERE'S STILL A FUCKING DIFFERENCE. i.e. NON-ZERO, contrary to what you claimed.

Idiot.

>>21827963

you can measure it, but it's irrelevant to follow-up shots. not "mostly" irrelevant, no. absolutely and totally irrelevant. the mass of the pistol returning to the firing position takes about 50 times longer than the difference in time to return to battery. it was not important before, it's not important at an order of magnitude slower, and it's completely meaningless here.

no, not almost completely meaningless. it's not often i can go for an absolute claim, but this one is just too obvious.

>>21827962
Yes, that's absolutely correct. Anything over about 600rpm is a moot point without a f/a FCG.
Still though, going back into battery faster means less POA shift due to the mass of the slide moving back forward.

It's a negligible but present stat.

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>>21827862

That's my bad. I am thinking of Grach. Pic related.

>>21827888

I really don't believe those numbers. I keep hearing claims about 100k rounds without cleaning. On the other hand, I keep hearing "I went crazy at the range and shot 500 through my X and it started jamming bad."

>>21827986

if the slide weighs the same, and is moving the same distance, then a faster return to battery is actually worse, because it means more energy is being stored in the recoil spring so that it can be released as a faster return to battery.

i don't think that's the case here, though. in this case, it's just completely meaningless.

>>21827992
Most of the time when they say "without cleaned" they mean "gratuitously rinsed with CLP every 500 rounds"

>>21825126

We'd still be on wood rims with hundreds of spokes. If Volk didn't reinvent the wheel, we wouldn't have those sexy as fuck Volk TE37s

Course I don't believe we need to redesign the wheels since we got those. Those are the best damn looking import wheel ever since 1996.

Now back to your /k/ topic

>>21827992

And by Grach, I mean GSh-18. I will stop posting now.

>>21828002
Well then, that's misleading, and wrong.

>>21828008
Not cleaned!
Just lubed!
Totally doesn't count!

>>21827975
It's still only your opinion, so fuck off.

>>21826911

I need one of these

>>21828002
For the Strike One, they specifically stated without cleaning OR lube, if that makes any difference.

>>21828018

no, it's really only physics. you seem to be thinking about a pistol that's been welded to a half-ton lead sled being fired in a vacuum. you need to be thinking about the pistol-hand-arm system. getting the thing back into battery a fraction of a millisecond faster is literally totally irrelevant. the pistol must return to target, and it weighs a couple of pounds. it's not just that the time saved by closing the slide faster is insignificant. it's actually not a contributing factor to follow-up shot time at all.

so, seriously, just fucking swallow it.

>>21825270
Not him but I like my shotguns and hunting rifles with wood furniture and as a rule l like wood more overall. Though I do like "tactical" style configurations on more modern firearms . Plus battle rifles like the FAL and G3 don't sit right with me when they have wood furniture and vice versa is true for ak style rifles.

>>21828043
If you believe in physics (which I doubt you know anything of), you'd know that non-zero numbers are not insignificant, as small as they may be. Swallow that pride, bby.

>>21828081

are you being paid by some really ill-advised importer, or are you actually so stupid that you think the time required to close the slide affects how quickly you can get back on target in any way?

are you australian?

>>21825111
Yes.

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>>21828091
no, no, and no.

You already lost the argument. Just give up.

>>21828112
>lost

for a while i was trying to help you. now i'm just trying to diagnose what the fuck is wrong with you.

there was never a contest between us. nobody with three brain cells is stupid enough to think that a pistol cycling 0.000002 seconds faster actually improves follow-up shot time.

>>21825224
>because it recoils harder, has a longer case length, and performs worse/almost exactly the fucking same as 40s&w

135gr 40s&w: 1350fps
135gr 10mm: 1328fps
>4 inch barrel

10mm lel epic maymay is just that.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/40sw.html
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html

>>21828005
what a shame. That gun is so pretty in it's own odd way.

>>21824798
>>non tilting barrel
I want a threaded one now.

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>>21828211

I am not guaranteeing what I said. I just remember reading some russian expert's criticism of it years ago. It's the company that makes pic-related, and they still have some hardcore USSR engineers left, so who knows.

It's hard to say, I don't necessarily believe that Russian companies BS more than US/European companies, at least on weapons, but I do believe that ALL bs a lot. So it's hard to say without US civilians having it.

>>21825041
But such a high rate of fire would make is really shitty for its stated purpose.

>>21824912
it's engineered in russia, produced in austria and italy.

>>21827012
>dat red
10/10 would carry.

>>21828365
That's the effort I meant.

>>21828120
It may or may not. Theoretically it should. The numbers don't lie. Would you feel a difference? Probably not. You keep saying it absolutely would not make a difference, which is wrong.

You're an idiot.

>>21828347
How?

>>21828491

no, theoretically it shouldn't, because the direction and magnitude of the recoil impulse are the only things affecting deflection from the target, and therefore the recovery therefrom (which, ideally, must be the same motion merely in reverse). on any pistol, the slide is already returning to battery long before the center of gravity of the hand-pistol system even moves at all, and is long, LONG before the hand-pistol system's center of gravity begins to return down and forward toward the target.

no, seriously. i am not stretching here to cover up some minor, theoretical thing. it is of absolutely no relevance, and i am using the word "absolutely" in a completely literal way.

deal with it.

>>21828521
You're still wrong idiot.

>>21828550

no, i am very much right, and there is something wrong with you.

>>21828561
No there is something wrong with YOU. You can't accept the fact that you committed a fallacy and were proven wrong.

Idiot.

>>21828579

hmm, well, actually even if my claim is wrong, it is definitely not fallacious.

>>21828579
No, you are wrong because I, ZED, the ruler of our world; say so.

>>21828593
You assume a machine pistol is dog shit solely because of a high rate of fire. That's a fallacy. Then you go on to claim that you are absolutely serious and completely right.

Idiot.

>>21828637

if you can't even distinguish the two separate claims i've made, then i can't see how i can help you. you don't seem to be functionally illiterate, so all i can really do is just estimate that you've got an IQ of about 40.

>>21828651
>I lost the argument so now I must resort to name calling.

>>21828120
>>21828651
>trying to help me

You are not trying to fucking help anyone. You just want to wave your dick around to show everyone what an "expert" you are.

Idiot.

>>21828703

and why exactly are you here? are you seriously being paid by arsenal to hype up this irrelevant "performance" statistic?

>expected to be a cheap Glock
>lol price rage $550-$700 for the aluminium version
Why would anyone get this over the VP9?

>>21828719
I fucking made this thread to discuss the fucking pistol, idiot.

No I'm not a fucking shill, I just know good shit when I see it.

>>21824798
When do they go on sale in the US?

>>21826107
I really hope they're doing it to meet government requirements and not marketing hype.

>>21829374

September

>>21829388
>not marketing hype

they're polishing their dicks over two thousandths of a millisecond cycle time, i think it's safe to say they're deep in the heart of marketing hype territory.

>>21829458
He was talking about Magpul

>>21828742
So how do I get into some of this advertising monies? I gots free time and hate the outdoors as well in the summer
Hook a honkey up

>>21829472

sorry.

do you know if they will be optimizing the reinforced AK PMAGs for space? i want to make sure i have the right cartridge feed platform for my weapon system if i ever find myself in orbit.

>>21829493
Couldn't tell ya, sorry. :(

>>21828196
because I'm sure that was a 100% control group right. With the exact same manufacturer, using the same bullet and same powder from the same batch and deviation in no way occurs. That isn't even a hot load for 10mm and its a damn snappy load in .40S&W. When .40 can run a 230gr hcwc at 1100fps then you can talk. Until then keep comparing .38spl +p to low ball .357mag

>>21827398
that's just asinine

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>>21824798
>lowest bore axis
Lower than a Mateba?

>>21829741
yes

>>21829755

can you even believe how out-of-touch revolverfags are with the state of bore axis in the 21st century?

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>>21824798
>>lowest bore axis
Never heard of the margolin?

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>>21829755
Ye gods.

>>21829879
Well, technically speaking, the distance between the web of your hand and the barrel seems to be greater on the Margolin, it's just it's positioned below the web, instead of above it.

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Lower than a palm gun?

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>>21827829
>i've fired more submachineguns than i can remember

I'm calling bullshit on that.

If that were true you would have said something like "In my experience sub machine guns with high rates of fire are not good to shoot because__________.

Nigger.

>>21829964

well, that's because you didn't follow the backlinks up to where i talked about muzzle rise.

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When it can easily shoot groups like this at 15 yards then I will be impressed. Until then i will stick with this pistol. This firearm is designed to make poor shooters good and good shooters great. So far all I see from the Strike One is gimicks without any real results.

>>21829975
>these particular smg's i have shot that have a high rate of fire which are__________ sucked because X.

there fixed it for u

>>21830111

well, the worst i've shot have been uzis, with their stupid high rate of fire. but of course rate of fire is not everything -- the thompsons i've fired have all been relatively slow, but more difficult to control than average because they are very poor ergonomically. there is simply a general trend that higher rates of fire make for a nastier user experience.

>>21829975
I've shot my uncle's friends' Thompson and besides going all over the place I don't get much muzzle rise. I've also shot the Super V in that Vegas range and its actually very controllable.

i think my favorite one of all was the MP5 i shot a few years back.

>>21827706
I was just about to post that.

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>>21827549
>>21828347

>not wanting mg42 rates of fire in your pdw

Fucking plebs.

>>21829755
>>21829741
Lol, nope. Matebe is in line with the pad of the thumb. This is clearly above it.

>>21825917
Wait, are... Are you really a Kurd? Living in SC?
>gun owner
>glorious Kurd master race
>glorious Southerner
Are you the perfect person?

>>21824996
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEzUMfQ0BXQ
this gun would like to disagree

>>21825111
they are screaming accurate.

>>21825811
is that some kinda shoot neighborhood for training? it just looks wrong like nobody lives there and the cars don't have plates.

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>>21825024
Wow you seem to be a huge faggot

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All hookered up

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Just to clarify, bore axis measured from the center of the palm on the dominant hand. This is from way back in the days before the Isosceles and Weaver stance; guns were shot one handed then. The mechanics of recoil was well known to shooters in the flintlock era and the Queen Anne pistols are an example of a design that has low recoil.
The top of the hand/trigger finger bore axis measurement is bullshit salesmen talk about, the real concern on semi autos and recoil is the weight of the moving mass which is of course the force of recoil.
Citation: 2nd law of motion

>>21825937
looks like we'll be able to get them in california

>>21832776
Were you even alive during the Boston Marathon last year?
Newest of the new.

>americans will get this gun before I will
????? ????? god Damn politicians don't want the general peoples to own guns because theire corrupted motherfuckers. I canot wait to move to the usa... whenever i have money

>>21825737
>That would have been a $250 to $400 million lost for the State if our Union Lawyers had won the suit.
No, it would have been 250 to 400 million lost for the people who pay taxes. How about you use a goddamn billy club like real men used to use.

>>21833088
Although I'm not a slav, I know how you feel bro. I intend to do the same.

>>21833110
Why don't one of you civvie fags do something about it? Oh thats right you're helpless without us, you edgy 13 year olds need to leave

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>>21828018
Seem's like you are the one getting anally annihilated over this

For $600 or less I'm interested, bring it down to $500 and I'll buy quickly. I know it will be more, but I'm just not a huge polymer gun fan. I have a G21. G41, and G30, but I only have those because I got stupid good deals on them and because they do work pretty well. I really prefer my Sigs for carry.

That said the Strike One is novel enough to buy.

>>21827667
>SOURCE
>SOURCE
Google it yourself, faggot

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>MFW California
>MFW MIGHT be able to buy one 50yrs later as a C&R assuming pistols don't get banned completely by then.
Guess I'm stuck with muh Glock.

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>>21833305
Good to know you are full of shit and would fill out a captcha to tell someone to do thier own research and then call them a faggot.

>>21833184
>Civvie fags
A bit egotistical, aren't you?

>>21833336
Wow this took all of 3 seconds
HK VP70
2200 rounds/min
It's hardly research when you just fucking google it and click the first link. Get over yourself

>>21825543
I'll take Florida Highway Patrol for 500, Alex.

I'm sorry broseph :*[

Doesn't help you guys get paid shit either.

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>>21833381
I know, see how easy it was? Why don't you do that next time? (:^)

>>21833184
>Why don't one of you civvie fags do something about it?
>civilian police calling someone a civvie fag
>my sides

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>>21827697
we can help you throught this
>no we cant

>>21830132
You have never fired a sub machine gun in your life.

>>21834248

of course i have, i live in georgia. stop being an autistic faggot fuck on the internet, it accomplishes absolutely nothing for you.

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>>21824798

Wish the blue and red aluminum ones were coming out

>>21835427
They're not?

>>21835511

Couldn't find an article just now, but i remember reading it was black, tan and OD only

>>21830058
The aluminum framed version of the Strike One with the standard 5 inch barrel got 3 MOA at 100 yards.

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>>21830887
You're fucking retarded.

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>>21835784