This isn't really that otaku I guess, but
My new bedroom is really small, so I just ordered an emoor futon from Amazon to have better space management. I've always liked firmer beds anyway. Anyone else switched to a Japanese futon? Is a tatami pretty necessary or will I be fine saving money for not without one?
I have a couch that when deployed ends up being barely 10cm above the ground.
This totally can count as a futon.
I sleep on a mattress on the floor but a futon just seems stupid to me because I don't have anywhere to put it when i'm not using it so it's not like i'll magically gain more space
my room is only 1 foot on either side larger than a prison cell
I slept on a futon for 7 days in a hotel once, the only problem I experienced was that laying on my side was basically impossible. Though it might work better if the futon is thicker.
Sleeping on your side can be bad for your back and shoulders. A futon encourages you to sleep on your back in good posture, which is why it can be good for your back. It can be difficult to get used to if you're use to sleeping on your side, though. I find it almost impossible to fall asleep without curling up in a ball, so a futon would be hard for me to sleep on at first.
for some people, trying to sleep on one's back can be outright painful. even when I had to sleep on the floor on a single sheet and thin blanket, I couldn't do it. to sleep on my back I have to bend my legs, which means either having a blanket-tent or being in a weird "sitting indian style but laying down at the same time" thing. of course, either way my back ended up hurting after a while with the whole "no bedding" thing and I had to scrape up the cash for proper bedding. even a thin cushion is better than nothing.
poorfag life a shit, mangs.
My mother traveled a lot with me in my childhood. Camping, sleeping in the woods and fucked up places was a daily thing, so sleeping on the floor is literally no problem. I'd still go for a real bed if I was you though.
My bedroom is small as fuck but I still have a king sized bed, why would you need a lot of space in your bedroom anyways. It's better to roll around in a huge empty bed really.
let me know how it is anon. I want to order a decent futon cause of space and moving, and also cause I remember sleeping on one at my host family's and it was some very peaceful sleep
Well, I want/need more room for a dresser, a desk, a full-length mirror...so I could get by with a larger bed, but I've lived in a cramped room with a full-size bed and I hated it 2bh
I definitely understand why you'd want a real bed though! I don't really mind not having a big bed to roll around in, and honestly in the last couple nights with the new futon, I've loved it! It's also easy to put away and it ends up making my room feel a lot less cluttered.
I think it's really comfy! It doesn't feel like I'm sleeping on the floor, because there's enough cushion to make it feel, well, cushioned -- it's not great if you sleep on your side or roll around a lot in your sleep, but I didn't really much anyway. As it is, I'd definitely recommend it! I got the Emoor "Classe" mattress and ordered a pillow and kakebuton separately because I wanted a wool comforter, and a different pillow.
Out of curiosity, where would you import it? The Emoor basically is a Japanese import, it came wrapped up with Japanese product labels and tags. If you can find a better deal for the money, I'd love to know before my return window closes haha. The only other shikibuton I saw on Amazon with good ratings was the D&D futon... But that seemed really thin and more like a camping mattress than anything else, just way more travel-oriented. It *is* only $70 though
You probably got a good affordable option. I really don't know 100%. I looked about a year ago at them and they seemed about that price after shipping from Japan. I was looking through rakuten global though, iirc. I really don't know where to get something like that easily. I have a friend in Japan and I'd probably try to ask him and his wife to help get one and pay them for the item and trouble, if it's economically feasible.
I'm still deciding how to orient the bed (I've since decided facing the wall is stupid) but this is the bed, if anyone's interested in seeing it set up
I got mine on Amazon with the futon itself! They're all the same brand, Emoor, because that seems to be the only actual Japanese company selling futons and futon accessories. They were kinda pricey though... Like $60 for the futon+duvet+pillow cases. The actual futon is just white.
I grew up sleeping on one of these with a five-inch cotton mattress/futon. Didn't even realize it could be turned into a chair until I was around fifteen, and just thought that everybody else was insane for having such massive, fluffy boxes to sleep on. If you have the space it's the perfect compromise between not sleeping on the floor and a low, firm bed that doesn't feel like lying on a giant balloon on top of the kitchen table.
I had one of those in college! Like the exact same thing, only black-painted wood. I never even used it as a chair, just a low bed with a nice 5" cotton futon mattress. That thing was baller, I really don't like spring mattress or memory foam shit.
Yeah, mine was finished hardwood. I actually have trouble sleeping in hotels because regular western beds are just so much more uncomfortable than a futon or the floor. There must be some rationale for the whole box-spring plus gigantic mattress plus six-inch-thick sheet monstrosities that people manage sleep in. It seems to be common knowledge that they're bad for your back.
I don't understand why anyone would consider a futon space efficient. I'd much rather have a real bed I can store shit under, that way the bed space is just storage space.
My room is about 7 square feet. In that space, I have a single bed, 2 CRT monitors, a chest of drawers, a corner desk that's about 3 square feet, and an office chair. In terms of accessible floor space, if I'm not counting the space under my desk, I have around 2 square feet, which is just barely enough to open my door without hitting my chair.
Good luck cleaning under that bed though...personally, I have a strong dust allergy, and carpeting is brutal on me when it starts collecting dust. You can leave the folded-up futon in the corner of the room, or even stick it in the closet.
And my bedframe is too low to the ground so the only thing that gets "stored" under it is shit that rolled under there and got lost. So I can definitely see the space efficiency of a futon.
It depends what kind of storage space you have and the dimensions of the room. If it's a really small room but you have a decent amount of closet space you can use the bed square footage for other furniture while storing your futon in the closet or something, but if there isn't much closet space you might be better off just getting a small, low bed.
I don't get why storing your futon some how on the ceiling hasn't been available yet. With western beds it's possible or to costly but with futon you just lift it up and it's good. Not sure how heavy futon is. And it even keeps it from bugs crawling in.
That's actually a really good idea! The only issue I can really see is that you'd need to install some sort of shelf to slide it in. The futon itself isn't heavy, only like 6lbs, but that would still be kinda awkward to lift over your head since it isn't stiff.
I've been thinking the same thing! Mine is super warm, which is really comfy. I've actually slept in a regular western pillowy bed after sleeping in it for a few nights and...it didn't feel near as comfortable. Which Emoor set did you get?
Yeah, I've figured it's probably an anime meme and maybe a traditionalist thing, but as a personal preference I've always liked lounging on the floor, and since I don't really have ample space for a bed, this seemed like a good solution.
It's not really a matter of 'preferring' as it is a matter of modernity and convenience. Futons may be conserving on space, but they're require a lot more time to prepare/clean than a western bed. Some people (e.g. old folks) might genuinely find western beds too soft for comfort, but for most futons are more of a backup necessity for when you have guests staying over, and are too much of a hassle for day to day life. Most new japanese buildings nowadays are western-style anyways, with western furniture and hard flooring and everything.
>Most new japanese buildings nowadays are western-style anyways, with western furniture and hard flooring and everything.
Don't ruin the dream for people who haven't been to Japan please.
I watched some anime and they once had fucking centipedes crawling around their house, in Japanese anime made in japan which means it's in Japan. So how does that mean that Japanese people don't have to worry about bugs? What about houses closer to nature, wouldn't they have even more bugs?
There's nothing stopping any bug crawling or flying into your bed no matter where it is. Also most of them don't matter anyway unless you live in Australia, California, or some other shithole where bugs can actually cause you damage.
I can see how it'd be a problem if you had pets that gave you fleas because you're a filthy person who doesn't take care of them, but just keep your shit clean and you won't have to worry about bugs.
>with the actual bed
Do you mean the mattress? Or a kind of frame?
What I bought was the Emoor Classe mattress ($180), Emoor's wool comforter ($130), and a cover set for the comforter, mattress, and pillow ($60 all-in). I didn't buy the $240 mattress/pillow/comforter set because I didn't need a pillow, and I wanted a wool comforter, not a polyester one (wool breathes and regulates temperature better).
All in all, it was about $360. Not especially cheap, but the mattress I was looking at was close to $500, and I'd need a new frame and sheets for that anyway, so this was pretty comparable. If you bought Emoor's Classe blanket/mattress set for $240, covers would still run $60 or so, and you could keep it at $300. From comparing the two, I'd recommend the Classe set over the Rococco set (also called "Compact" Amazon) because it has more padding. Still firm, but less thin and flimsy.