>>14613192 >Save yourself the headache and just read subs. 1) Anime dialogue tends to be pretty easy vocabulary speaking 2) Subs suck ass and are plain wrong a lot of the time 3) VNs and games are why most people learn anyway (excl. anime nerds who don't make it past kana)
Meh, still focused on vocabulary, sometimes I read visual novels to practice and pick up on the grammar, I procrastinate too much so I'm not entirely happy with my progress but at least there is progress.
>>14613433 >procrastinate The biggest problem I always have/had was thinking too much about the possible meaning. You come up with complicated shit and say to yourself that it can't possibly be that simple, make up some weird and unnecessary bridges even though it really is as simple as it looks. I guess that danger of this is, that you fall for it on a different day and actually see something complicated. Japanese is like cat and mouse for me.
I can read manga, watch anime, play video games with no problem. I'm not sure where to go from here, I can read novels but with difficulty. With manga/anime/games, I kept at it and understood it eventually and I'm doing that with novels now but it's frustrating because it's been 2 years and I don't feel like I've progressed much.
>Do Anki religiously for a year and grind up to 2k words >Get busy with studying for finals and come back to a shit-ton of review cards and give up for a while >Come back and I've forgotten everything ;-;
>>14616002 Hell, I am going to check out that Anki now. I believe I still got most of the basic grammer down, except for some crazy grammatical tense forms regarding some verbs. Kanji and Vocab is the wall of grind that made me stop in the first place.
Anything I need to know about anki that isnt super obvious or written down somewhere?
It's going alright. Speaking to natives helps a lot, but if I chat with them on Line, it gets annoying. Annoying because I read so slow right now, and they type out long paragraphs. I planned to visit Japan this Fall but I'm worried I might be too stupid to get around.
>>14613102 Bad. As usual school gets in the way. But that's okay, how much I study Japanese always ebbs and flow. And I don't have any tips for anyone, I've been studying for less than a year.
I will say one thing, though, I follow only Japanese people on twitter, and no matter how stupid I sound they always talk to me. I even talked to this one guy who asked me if I liked Koe no Katachi (i tweeted a page from it), and he told me he lives where it takes place, and then I asked him if that bridge/park actually exits and he sent me a bunch of pictures of the bridge and stuff, super cool. It felt really good being able to write my own sentences without a translator.
So, I don't know. Maybe that's a tip. Talk to people on twitter, it feels nice putting the practice to use.
>>14616477 >I planned to visit Japan this Fall but I'm worried I might be too stupid to get around. Don't worry about it. A lot of foreigners there don't know anything outside of "konnichiwa" and still get by fine. Even the very basics will help a lot if you need to communicate with someone. I just threw out the various nouns and verbs I knew and they were able to get what I was talking about. Nips are very helpful to confused foreigners (from my experiences at least).
If you really want to become fluent in Japanese, go to an accredited J-language school somewhere in Japan for 1.5 - 2 yrs, study your butt off while you're there, and look for as many opportunities to speak Japanese while you're there. Getting a part time job that forces you to use Japanese is helpful but optional. Getting a degree in Japanese from a college in your home country is a complete waste of time.
Alright. I'm currently learning 4 kanji a day plus up to four words they are used in. I do writing drills so It takes around an hour or two reviewing the past 7 days kanji and adding the new daily ones. I have keep up this schedule for months by now. I know 824 kanji and hopefully will know all of the joyo by the end of the year.
Grammar wise It's mostly settled down. It's only vocab that's the task.
things are going well. I've started getting hardcore about my time, I stay up till midnight and wake up at 6, get ready for day and then spend remaining 1-2 hours studying. Then at night I work on other projects and/or relax.
Tomorrow I'm getting this record in the mail, I'm super excited! I love Yamashita-san's work.
Vocab is an endless challenge even in English, and languages make up new words all the time. You need to accept that you only ever START a language, you'll never truly be done. Incidentally, iif you're a new beginner and are intimidated by this notion, remmber that it only takes a reasonable amount of time for you to be reasonably good.
Read Tae Kim twice over, read a few sections out of the DoBJG about things I didn't really understand the way Tae Kim explained them, and learned ~2000 words through Anki, but when it came to trying to read anything I found myself unable to understand pretty much anything. After a few days of that, I was too disheartened to keep going.
>>14622157 I always end up with 80% or so accuracy on average, so I feel 75% isn't so bad. The dominating factor probably is immersion, at least for me. For example, I can read things like 車 in my sleep, since it pops up pretty much everyfuckingwhere, but how are you supposed to remember words that you haven't seen in months and that aren't common or useful either? For example 歯磨き is a word I recently failed, but who ever talks about brushy brushy anyway (unless you're watching fetish shit).
It's bad when you've been at it for over a decade on the language, have spent thousands of hours on it, have less than 3000 words and have to review over 1/10 the the deck every single day, and can't read anything other than simple pornography, even then having to look up words on every page.
Maybe I'll reach the level of a 10 year old before I die.
>>14622196 Sorry to have triggered hard feelings for you, but certainly it can't be that bad. I also have to question your statement of ``having spent over a decade'' on Japanese. If that was true, there would be no way you'd be only at 3000 words, unless you actually meant ``I started learning Japanese more than ten years ago, but inserted a few pauses of about 5 years each in between''.
>>14623578 I'm not giving up, but I feel like my progress would be much steadier if I actually had people to talk about my japanese learning and stuff, and threads like this don't work much for me in that aspect...
>>14624402 Yeah no. Kanji is pretty exclusive to your languages. Also, japanese is, I think, just a little more confined to the country of its origin than English which you "practice" every day since it appears randomly everywhere.
Anime, I have been told does not even use regular Japanese, but an exaggerated version.
Computer, konpyutaa. Ok. Keitaidenwa, cell phone. Nope,
>why bother? Because I like the challenge. Also its really pleasant to "figure" words out as you go. E.g. Kon , this, nichi, day, wa, is the subject.
>>14613102 I usually get an hour a day studying out of my textbook. I've got the entire Chronicles of Narnia in Japanese, I could probably dive into that, get some practical expansion of vocabulary, pick up some more kanji, etc.
I gave up long ago, didn't even get to kanji though I did do grammar.
Last week I was watching a shitty anime and was alttabbing in and out, I won't tab back in when I understand something simple but I managed to suprise myself by translating the moon is pretty tonight, I didn't even realize they were looking at the moon till in swapped back to it.
One day I'll go back to it but theres always that barrier I've made.
>>14613102 Gonna do JLPT N1 this year. What I'm worrying about most are my speaking and writing skills. I'm fluent on the conversational level, but I really need to expand my active vocabulary regarding formal language and more complex topics. I don't want to sound like a high schooler for the rest of my life...
Recently, I had to reduce the number of new cards each day from 20 to 10 because I keep failing every single new card day after day, and my reps are piling up that way. Maybe my brain is already overloaded?
I've never managed more than 1 card per day for a prolonged period. with more, my accuracy drops so low that I just have swaths of cards that I can't learn appear day after day and it becomes so demoralising that I get even less accurate.
No idea how people claim to add tens every single day.
So I bought and have been using Remembering the Kanji 1, and pretty great. (Don't worry I'm also doing Anki). I also just torrented the second Remembering the Kanji book. I don't understand how it's helpful at all, it's just a list of kanji with the readings, I don't even see any memory tricks, it looks like just a list.
>>14626560 No one ever recommends reading the second book, much for the same reason why many people oppose grinding away at kanji using the RTK method: At the end of the day, you can write kanji, but you don't know a single word, and can't read a single sentence. The general recommendation seems to be that kanji should be learned along with actual words using them (along with their reading, which is why RTK2 is shit unless you want even more useless baggage in your brain) for a more rounded education.
>>14626594 Oh, and make that "grinding away at kanji using the RTK method EXCLUSIVELY", since I personally believe that being able to recognize (and to a lesser degree, write) a large amount of kanji is a definitive plus in learning Japanese.
It appears in one of the 対魔忍 nukige by black lilith. Context is that the narrator is about to go eat at a cafe called 稲毛屋 and he gives a bit of info about it. We never see him there and afaik neither the place nor the person mentioned in the line is ever touched upon again in the game (or any others for that matter). From what I can understant, the cafe's owner is an old woman named 稲下 (Inage) who used to be a taimanin specialized in bedroom arts, but i cant make sens of the end. Thanks to anyone that bothers to help.
>>14628453 >床技を極めた[...]対魔忍として恐れられた手練であったとかなかったとか。 "She was or wasn't a master feared as a taimanin who specialized in the bedroom arts" The あったとかなかったとか means that those are probably rumors, the narrator isn't sure.
>>14626602 Agreed. I use RTK just to supplement. Don't use it to build vocab. I find it's helpful for learning other kanji, because then the elements/radicals are more familiar making it easier to learn new words when I come across them.
I don't know if this is the best place to ask but some Jap I followed on pixiv sent me a message. Could someone here please translate it for me or tell me where I can get accurate translations(machine translation sucks)? 月までは人間らしい生活ができないため、 絵が描けません。 でもわたしは必ず描き続けていきます。
>>14634539 Thank you for following me. I'm very happy that your heart was even if little moved by my pictures. (Here he makes a simple wordplay - "very" = タイヘン (taihen), but first he wrote ヘンタイ (hentai)). Very soon I might be able to draw more pictures, so I'll be happy if visit my page again when you remember me.
Sorry, I suck at putting it in natural English, but that's the message.
Poorly... I haven't been as dedicated since I graduated. I need to get a plan laid out so that I can be more focused. I learned ~180 Kanji after graduation; but I need to re-learn a lot of the grammar. I'm probably going to start going through my old text book's lessons to get back up to speed, then try and go passed where I was previously...
No? It's legitimately accepted by pretty much every major business in Japan as being an official approval of Japanese proficiency. The only problem is that only N1 and N2 are typically considered fluent. Passing levels N3-N5 should be done to gauge and test yourself more than anything.
Lads, I've got this sentence in my flashcard deck with the translation of "This is a major social issue". Looking at 「なっている」 though, is it not "becoming a major social issue"? Or rather, is the fact that it is becoming an issue being referred to as an issue itself?
>>14640244 If that is from some Core deck, I have a simple answer for you: The translations presented there are often extremely liberal, and will not always correspond 1:1 to what is actually being said.
>>14640263 I've become aware of that and try to make some small corrections for the sake of my understanding sometimes, but that card has been bothering me for a while but I haven't bothered asking about it until now. Just getting a short and simple answer would help, since I could then just change the text and forget about it desu senpai
School managed to block out most ports so I've gotten into japanese mabinogi and maplestory Actually very efficient when it comes to learning how a human actually speaks compared to basic book and pounding knowledge.
>>14626318 The JLPT is very useful when it comes to finding a job in Japan not English related, and getting college credit for Japanese courses without actually taking them. It's a good gauge of your actually ability. Provided that is only for N2 - N1. N5 - N3 is of little use past acting as a gauge of your current ability.
I meant that its most important purpose is it serves as a bar for a lot of companies to actually look at your resume instead of instantly trashing it. It's commonly agreed upon that you can get N2 and possibly N1 and still have shit Japanese. In the same vein that anyone can skate through and get their BA in something just to get a "needs a college degree" job offer, but in both cases you aren't really *cheating the system* by doing so, you're just squandering your own time and money. I was also going along with the point that just because you aren't N2-N1 doesn't mean you wouldn't be able to perform adequately in a corporate setting, just like how many people that haven't graduated yet can already outperform people that have their degree.
I'm getting a degree in a liberal arts program and going for the N3 this summer. I was just pointing out that it's funny how people feel roughly the same about the two and generally those who have the most negative opinions about either are missing the point entirely. Neither are valuable as one-size-fits-all job prep/language fluency programs, but both are extremely valuable at giving you a strong foundation to learn a shitload on your own as well as opening the glass door for you to prove you didn't just fuck around for 4 years or whatever.
I took two (three) semesters but had to drop the third due to it just being too difficult and couldn't devote time to study due to it being my "fun" class. Haven't picked up my books to self study, but I do regularly surround myself with the Japanese language through shows, music, games, etc. so I don't completely forget everything I studied. I'm able to read some simple stuff, but I didn't learn too many useful kanji in my classes outside of date and time. My books are kept in a neat little stack so that I can pick them up whenever I finally bring myself to continue learning the language, but the problem is that I'm bad at self-study. I usually rely on a slave driver (teacher) to motivate me to learn things, but I think I'm starting to find stuff that's giving me motivation, specifically games.
>>14616045 It would look like the root of school, but like another anon said it's actually 工学 which is 「こう」「がく」which is easy since it's a jukugo so it retains the original readings, being こう for 工 (construction) and がく for 学 (study, learning, science).
So put them together into a compound word (jukugo) and you get something like "construction science", easy to remember for engineering, and pronounced (luckily) like its component parts.
- Learn Kanji everyday with a spaced repetition tool like Anki. Don't quit because it's 'too hard'. You will never be able to enjoy books or games without being able to read kanji. You don't need to learn to write them, but it can make them easier to memorize by building a feeling of how Kanji are constructed.
- Build a basic vocabulary. Again, Anki has several pre-made decks of 5000 essential words. Do this everyday, too.
- Talk with people in Japanese. There are online services that connect language learners with each other so you can do skype sessions and talk about anything.
>>14653606 Meh, good for you if you think this is common sense. There are still textbooks and websites that will not teach using kana or romaji only. The other extreme are courses that tell you that it's super important to bea able to write all Kanji.
Another weird thing is how there are tons of tools for learning kana. You can (and should) learn them in one or two weekends just by writing them down a lot and doing some flashcards.
>>14653622 >Another weird thing is how there are tons of tools for learning kana. Nothing weird. Those tools are intended to be used, that means by many people, not one or two persons. Since most people are target audience and they are not really want to learn the language, but play pretend learning, tools are made accordingly - simple and fun to play. That's why almost no guide uses kana or (the horror) kanji, but romaji. Nobody want they audience scared and run away.
I was able to read most of the prologue of a Nukige through the help of VNreader adding furigana and letting me look up the kanji I didn't know (I barely know any) right there on the spot.
It was the simplest shit ever, but I felt a disproportionate sense of pride at actually deciphering what those girls were saying. I didn't really learn any new kanji, though...I got a slightly better grip on grammar though (grammar is easier for me to learn than kanji).
I have never seriously dedicated myself, though. I bet if I did I would progress a lot faster. I'm have a really strong knack for Linguistics, so I find learning languages to be easier than most people do.
>>14613192 Fuck man, this is the same shit for me. I am completely terrible at getting a vocab down. I took four years of German in high school and my grammar was really good, but my actual vocab meant that I needed a dictionary to write anything beyond a simple sentence. Same thing happened when I took Latin and Greek later on.
>>14653694 What, you actually tried learning Greek AND Latin by your own free will? That's pretty sick. I'll never recover the time I wasted by learning Latin in school. Might have done something useful instead. Fuck the education system.
>>14653708 No, I took Latin in High school for 2 years alongside German. My teacher was unique, he was a fun-loving guy who listened to heavy metal, not the stuffy old British guy I expected. I took Greek for a year in college. I am in no way fluent in either, though I can probably get through most Latin texts with a dictionary.
I have a Sanskrit grammar for teaching yourself, but I've never taken the full plunge. Devanagari is almost as bad as Kanji, if that's possible to believe.
I find Japanese's grammar to be interesting, as it's basically nothing like the Indo-European languages that we're all used to. My favorite aspect has to be the stupidly-complex verbs and all the interesting ways it uses particles and little suffixes.
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>>14657287 I think it's really beneficial to know the meaning of the character to make vocabulary more meaningful and stuck into your brain. And if you don't you'll be mixing homonyms like different かたい's all the time.
You know what would be nice? A flowchart that would tell me where, when, and how to progress to different stages of learning japanese.
Having the instructions in said flowchart also appear in a textual guide would be great. It would appeal to people who learn in multiple ways, and the more detailed nature of a text guide would complement the more general step by step instructions of the flowchart.
>>14662668 Learning languages, or anything, is never this simple. Don't count on people to spoonfeed you like you want them to now with Japanese. Just start somewhere, anywhere, doesn't matter if it's not the perfect start. If you really want to learn Japanese you will, and you will be able to figure all that stuff out.
>Someone please begin working on this, thanks. Seriously, how much of a little bitch can you be? Have you ever done anything by yourself? Download Genki or Anki and just go through that shit if you don't know where to start.
>>14662668 /djt/ made a guide like that. Download the Learners kit, and it has everything you need. But it can't make you study or put the knowledge in your head, you have to put in the effort. It's a long journey and not a destination.
What are the good grammar books ? I went through most of the Tae Kim, but I feel like it's too short to be enough. I also look for some ressource for oral expressions that can be found in mangas, VNs or any live discussion, it would be very helpful for when I'll start reading manga seriously.
>>14670058 here's a list of all the n5 kanji: http://www.jlptstudy.net/N5/N5_kanji-detail.html copy the whole page once per day for a week, including the readings and example words. it's hard work, but only for 7 days. that will kickstart your japanese so much you'll become a completely different person.
>>14670058 I am in the same position, I keep telling my self about the urgency of actually starting and keeping up with it, but each day just blends into the next and if there isn't some kind of instant gratification I can't bring myself to stick with it. I hate myself because of this and feel useless and trapped.
>>14671897 1. Willpower is trainable 2. Everything you do is a habit 3. It takes approx. a month to establish a habit 4. All you have to do is power through a month 5. Literally jumping out of bed and doing pushups first thing in the morning helped me immensely
>>14671897 It's hard to keep up, but don't give up! I suggest giving yourself a reward every time you study for an hour or more. Doesn't matter what it is, just make a habit of it. Everybody finds it difficult at first, but once you see improvement in your skills it won't seem like such a mentally taxing activity. You'll find it easier to study more, and for longer periods of time.
I'm doing really bad in class. My grade is fine but everyone's so much better than me at speaking and reading (especially remembering compound kanji stuff).
My listening comprehension is probably close to the best in the class since I'm the only one answering my teacher half the time, and writing's fine, but I really wish I knew how to read and speak without sounding like a complete idiot
I'm going to Japan in a couple of months. Right know I know the kanas and the absolute basic grammar and vocabulary (went to class about a month in the summer). Let's say I spend about 4 hours everyday studying (only one on the weekends), could I reach N4 level by then? What's the best method to learn about 300 basic kanjis in like 50 days, KanjiDamage or Heisig?
I'm on /jp/ instead of studying. Of course it's going badly.
I was doing kanjidamage and Anki, but I couldn't remember what I'd done in kanjidamage and Anki was really slow for me. I picked up Remembering the Kanji 1, and it's been very helpful for me so far. I'm at kanji 185 so far.
I have a hard time studying every day though. When I try to do that I eventually burn out and can't concentrate, but when I take a break I have a hard time picking it back up again.
>>14674071 You can view the scores online as long as you have your registration number and password. I'm from the US. The website is https://www.jlpt-overseas.jp/onlineresults/ March is just when you get your physical certificates.
Skimming this thread, it is surprising that so many people on the big Jay apparently got their shit together. Unless we're all lying about living in Japan, finishing our Master's degrees and doing daily morning push-ups or 6AM kanji reps.
I thought the whole "/jp/ is filled with smart people pretending to be stupid for the giggles" spiel was a joke we told to delude ourselves.
>>14674369 It's easy to be successful when you have the time to dedicate yourself to something. Most normals throw away their lives by pursuing a LTR/marriage the second they become financially independent adults. You sure have LOT more time and money to put into our hobbies when you're single, so it's really not that hard for me to study Japanese seriously and travel the world. /jp/ knows how to live, despite what most people think about us.
>>14674369 All the people with problems were run off and are now dead.
More realistically, the overarching culture that vilified success (or at least made it so that you shouldn't talk about it out of respect for your more miserable friends) was killed off along with the rest of NEET culture, and people who for whatever reason have failed to learn Japanese mostly aren't posting in this shitty blog thread.
Same for me. As you can see, I also only passed by like 3 questions yet got A in every category apparently. I've only been at this a few months so I'm happy, but knowing how close I was to fucking it up is a little worrisome.
They need to raise the minimum passing for this exam. This is a joke. I don't feel happy I passed with this awful of a score. I was totally expecting to have failed this. I was falling asleep during the exam for Christ's sake.
>>14676321 I've been studying now and then for years, but my level mostly increased in the last 200 days or so. During these last days, I learnt 40 words a day using anki10k and began to read some actual japanese. At first some webnovels with rikaisama, and then games on emulators and scans of light novels.
My oral and my grammar were already alright before that, but since I didn't want to put in the efforts, my reading comprehension and my vocabulary were really shit in comparison.
>>14674502 >More realistically, the overarching culture that vilified success (or at least made it so that you shouldn't talk about it out of respect for your more miserable friends) was killed off along with the rest of NEET culture I still see a lot of that though, it's just that the board administration never lets it last more than a few hours or a day or two before squelching all discussion.
And I think it's good to look down on naked self-promotion and the flaunting of success, to be honest - it ensures that we don't take ourselves too seriously.
It's going alright, more or less got Core6k solidified. I read through Fureraba (well one of the routes, I really was really feeling done with it after just the one) and I'm in the process of finishing up Flyable Heart (three more routes to go).
I have a bunch of vocab I've saved from the VNs but I haven't put them in Anki or anything. I'm considering not even using Anki anymore but not sure.
- Learn at a set time / occasion (e.g. before dinner every day), not just 'every day' - Plan exactly what you will do (e.g. learn with flash cards, try to read something) - Even if you don't have the time / concentration to do everything you planned to do, still start to do it. Often, being in the flow will still give you the energy you need.
>>14685941 Genki is a solid core for learning Japanese. It provides a little of everything, with dialogues and at lots of new words a chapter. The way it is written ensures that you're always reviewing previous words and grammar. My biggest complaints are the way Kanji are introduced (not intuitive, and without any mention of radicals) and that the content is often not practical enough. Still, I used it in college for 4 semesters, and it has become so ubiquitous for a reason.
What would be a good point to start trying to read? I've pretty much got hiragana down, and trying to work on katakana currently. I know more than a few basic words, but almost no kanji. I also have a basic grasp of sentence structure and particles. I'm not sure how much I'd need to know before I'm able to start reading something though, even if assisted with a dictionary or something.
I know I'm pretty far off right now, but I'm really excited to get to where I can actually start reading stuff outside of just straight up studying. I know there are manga and things where they have furigana above all the kanji, I don't suppose someone could point me towards something simple and enjoyable that has those?
>be a NEET >do nothing but jack off and play vidya and watch anime all day >decide to do something somewhat productive >start learning jap scribbles >learn hiragana and katana in two days >HELL YA I feel so good!
>start kanji (radicals) What in the fuck were they thinking when they made this writing system?
>>14715515 >>14715713 Anon who asked the question here. That's interesting. Have you guys done any level of the JLPT / do you know roughly where you stand on any language scale (e.g. CEFR)?
It's just a theory I have, but I suspect that because of the way the tests are geared towards comprehension rather than expression, you end up decent if not very good at the former but severely lacking in the latter. Not having people to practise the expression part with doesn't help either.
... Though the classes I take test for everything and I still end up failing hard at the expression parts of the test, but that comes back to practice too, I guess.
>>14716685 This (ISBN: 9784590005706) is what I used when I was studying (nearly 20 years ago; probably better books out there now.) Not exactly user-friendly for beginners, but extremely powerful once you start to figure out what's going on; and lots of example sentences with rômaji. Highly recommend! If you're an a beginner, probably start with a Dover "Essential Grammar," etc before hitting this.
>>14715487 Obviously. Not "awkward" at all if you consider the reasons people here learn Jap.
>>14717053 No, kill yourself, you worthless piece of shit. Wait, even a shitheap is more useful than you, stupid dickface
>>14716921 Like that other guy said not alone but it certainly helps a lot. Don't forget about reinforcing grammar. If you're one of the "you only can learn animese through anime and will sound like shit"-crowd, it's not a different language, dude. Compare the (variations of) English used in entertainment media and the English people speak. Of course different but they also have a lot in common. I'm pretty sure nobody is stupid enough to say lines from stereotypical little girls or old geezers or shonen battle lines.
This is pretty similar to the "I learn japanese through anime" but I find listening to drama cds when I walk to school pretty helpful. Understanding the context is WAY different since you can't see what's going on, and really forces me to listen. I generally don't understand what everyone is saying, and repeat back what I heard to myself in my head and then it seems like 5 seconds later I'll realize what was said.
Also, been buying a bunch of raw manga. That's been really hard, reading the first vol. of Bokura no Hentai was tough and slow, then I tried reading Oyasumi Punpun which was a joke. I'm definitely not ready for that. I need to read more stuff for kids, I suppose.
Anyone have ideas how to get into translations? I have translated parts of japanese websites, books and comics, mostly game related before. I want to translate something now not just for my own studies but to help others out. Anyone knows people that may need japanese-english translation, maybe for some videogame, eroge, manga whatever? Bonus points if it pays.
>>14717553 I'll never get how people can think that translating as a practice does help anyone but themselves and how they can publish their "translations" with a clean conscience. Translating shit needs more than just being able to understand both languages. The majority of fantranslations are utter shit because of that please don't add your own feces. Also if you aren't English native or at least at a very high level, forget it, try your own, if you really need to.
>>14717553 Reputation and experience are extremely important for any well-paying translation job. No one's going to pay much for your translation without knowing ahead of time they're going to get quality work. That being said, there's tons of stuff out there; just google it. The more you provide quality service for people, the more work you'll get; grow your experience and reputation. Also, knowing people who need translation work is rather helpful. Build contacts and market yourself. 以上、master of the obviousでした。
>>14717650 >Translating shit needs more than just being able to understand both languages. If you hold translations to that standard, essentially nothing would get translated from Japanese to English, even by people who get paid to do it.
I can understand not wanting shit translation from beginners just running everything through a dictionary and guessing the rough meaning, but if getting translation from someone who knows Japanese and English isn't good enough for you, you should just learn Japanese yourself so you don't have to put up with it.
This is a huge motivation boost. However, I recently got LASIK surgery so I can't really do any intensive study, It's been a bit more than a week and I still can't focus on reading without getting a headache. If I knew this would happen I'd honestly postpone the operation till I finished all the joyo.
>>14717823 >someone who knows Japanese and English isn't good enough for you Knows what? How to read stuff written by others? Utterly useless. Translator is writer. You have to be experienced writer in English in the corresponding field? because your job is to convey meaning from completely different culture and adapt stuff which can't be carried over. This way harder than writing your own stories because in that case you just write what you think naturally, but in translation you have to convert alien concepts.
>>14720438 And that's the kind of skill you just won't find in people willing to do this for free, or even in professional translation teams for anime, manga and games. You're plain delusional if you think that any kind of otaku culture translation scene would exist at all with your standards.
>>14719443 Top of both pages have "Angela" written in hiragana (あんぢぇら). Bottom-right of left-hand page has "Atsuko" written vertically in hiragana (あつこ). No idea what's going on to the left of that. Right-hand page, aside from the "arigatô" already pointed out >>14720089 , I have no idea. Maybe sloppy rômaji?
>>14720758 This is a poem from the Man'yōshū (3317, Book 13; see <http://hiro-ks.jp/manyou/manyou/MK13-3317.htm>.) Left-hand is original kanji, and right-hand page is old kana. Rough translation: Were I to buy a horse, I could ride, but you would have to walk. Let it be as it is then. Even if the road is rocky, I will walk together with you.
>>14700882 I tend to listen to seiyuu radio shows, especially the ones with more than one host. I think they're actually slightly faster than regular conversation most of the time, but that's probably good.
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