Seacats

>>14613027

First for timeline
http://umineko.renai.ru/

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>>14612970

That suig is hot.

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>>14613048
>First for timeline

>>14613048
Some grade A autism. I love it.

>>14613048
Nice. Still missing a lot of stuff though.

Excuse me if I am wrong, but wasn't the "Real" Erika some broad who fell off a ship and probably drowned, while the one in the story is a theoretical one? I believe that it was hinted that her hair color isn't real, so she might just be someone trying to look like Bernkastel.

>>14612970
Reposting for answers.

Still waiting for confirmation on the links.

>>14613058
Probably pickled plum pizza, too.

>>14613077

Yes, the real Erika is a girl who fell off of a boat and died on the same weekend as the family conference. Witch Hunters had absurd theories about her reaching the island and being involved in the incident somehow.

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Lambdadelta is cute

Weekly reminder, Hotarubi scans - never.

>>14612970
I remember seeing a beautiful Beato cosplay and all I could think was how insanely expensive that must've been.

Reminder that Suika has a flat chest.

>>14614210
Get out of here, nerd.

Threadly reminder that Bernkastel is white.

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>>14611637

Pic related is the best Bern cosplay (asian or otherwise)

>>14614280
Yes.

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>>14614331
Is this the one that made Suigintou? I don't find any Suigintou on her DA.

I am still curious, for now, I believe the best to be this girl mercurygin, right size and very good facial proportions, there is also something on her expression that matches Bern most of the time, which many can't do it.
On amanemiss cosplay, she looks too "cutesy" I can't properly describe the feeling, it always looks foreign to the character and I can't forget the fact its someone cosplaying the character.

Either way, russians at cosplay are amazing I think? Makes sense since Putin made anime real and also the whole Natalia meme.

On other note I started using this as my phone wallpaper, is it autistic or something for doing so? Sometimes normies use those google searched "wallpaper girl" using headphones or usually something related to music and its accepted socially. Do you think my choice can also pass as one of those wallpapers for normies? Or on the phone, is only just for girlfriend photos?

>>14614280
What ethnicity sub-type then?

>>14614331
>>14614569
Please remove the garbage dimension.

>>14614604
We could say, /seacats/ has a tolerance for cosplay, because umineko and cosplay tag along because of dresses.

>>14614569
>is it autistic or something for doing so?

No. Just say you like the cosplay. No one's going to reject you because of your phone's wallpaper (unless it's some really creepy shit like some kid you don't know or porn).

>>14614619
Everyone likes frilly dresses

>>14614639
Thank you for helping me be a normie.

>>14614598
German given her name.

Ayy do people still play Ougon Musou Kyoku CROSS or not anymore? Been itching to play that once I buy myself a decent PC.

>>14614773
I usually play it online with some friends, but I don't really know if other people play it nowadays.

>>14614773
She is just german because of the wine.

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>>14614280
Nein nigga. She's black.

>>14614798
Story wise, the wine if from there, is what I mean.

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>>14614798

Just finished Umineko recently. Now I'm starting Chiru and I'm already about to drop this shit. There was plenty of chuuni bullshit in the first 4 chapters but Chiru is going WAY overboard with these elements.

Does it get better later on?

>>14615359
>not enjoying fantasy

What are you, gay?

>>14615359
Might as well drop it if you don't like it. Though how you can spend 50 hours on a VN you don't like is incredible.

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Caught a cute Japanese girl reading umineko.

>>14615486
>Stalked a cute Japanese girl as per usual then slyly took a photo of her to add to my collection where upon I happened to realise she was reading that series I shitpost about on /jp/

FTFY

>>14615486
>Caught a cute Japanese girl reading umineko.

haha creepy.

>>14614280
Well, at least she's not <Made in USA> like certain sluts.

>>14614773
I still do. It's pretty fun, and the animations are oh so smooth. Direct IP only for multiplayer kind of sucks, and everyone on the Mizumi OMKC IRC channel is far better than I am. Manga gamer said that they MIGHT put on Steam, possibly reviving it, but I am not counting on a miracle.

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>>14615486

>but I am not counting on a miracle
>a miracle

Let me help.

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>>14615486
>20160101
OBJECTION

>>14615528
I would have talked to to her and prayed she spoke some English, if I wasn't traveling with family at the time

>>14615686
She doesn't need to know english to understand "OOOOOOOHHHHH BEATORIIIIICEE". I hope you were wearing your cape and suit.

>>14615359
The thing is, the scenes in Umineko aren't just chuuni nonsense like in F/SN, etc because it's all ultimately a metaphor for a real and dark reality.

>>14615670

Bern's miracle was that she linked the wrong post. This is a run of the mill miracle that even I can perform when I am drunk.

>>14615486
She doesn't look that cute.

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>>14615705
Dammit. It's okay, even witches have accidents.

>>14615702
I remember actually kind of hoping for Chunni nonsense where a man runs around an imposing mansion while talking to a bunch of people in crazy outfits. The seperation between the imaginary fantasy world and the grounded world serves its purpose.

>>14615359
Switch to the manga at this point. Read EP5. Skip EP6 (read a summary online) and skim EP7 (actually, just read the tea parties). Read EP8.

>>14615654
I hope Manga Gamer puts it up on Steam. I would love to get hate mail from scrubs who can't beat Lambdadelta and 410's zoning.

>>14616465
>EP6 (read a summary online)
>skipping on Erika fun

Just read 5 and 6, skip Ep. 7 (just read the Kinzo part and the tea party) and skim EP8.

>>14616465

I'd say use Ep5 and 6 VN, use manga ep 7 and 8. I can't understand why you'd want to skip ep6.

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In my headcanon Patchouli is the Witch of Knowledge, hiding in Touhou's kakera because she wants a simple life and she's Remilia friend.

>>14616638
>skimming through the manga's 8, which is the second best Episode in Chiru

>>14618106
>I can't understand why you'd want to skip ep6.
6 is pretty shit.

>>14618290

6 had the fun with the logic error and for me its ending was great. Then again I associate 6 with the rampant discussion and hilarious theories that went around this board and animesuki from Shkannon versus Anti-Shkannon to try and get around the Red.

Maybe I'm being a nostalgiafag; I'll need to re-read 6 and let you know.

>>14618290
>which is the second best Episode in Chiru
8 is the second worst episode in Chiru. Then again, Chiru was pretty shit.

>skipping anything in Umineko

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>>14619421
ADHD is a hell of a drug

>>14619423
Second this.

>>14619423

Hey fgt the drug you're thinking of is ritalin or equivalent. ADHD is the disorder not the drug used as treatment you fucking ass bandit.

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>>14619538

>>14619538
Please leave, your posts will be considered 100% troll from now on.

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>>14619538

Anyone have that final showdown between will and erika?

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I want to fuck this lion

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>>14614773

I play it at least weekly, but I am garbage and still use princess mode with keyboard macros to do SP moves/grabs/meta. Been over a year of this.

Once I get every picture in the game minus the b.battler one I intend to learn how to use normal controls as I have long passed the point where the number of combos I can't perform is ticking me off, and then I will begin runs to attempt to beat black battler. If I ever beat him I will assume I am just barely okay enough to play online.

Unless one of my friends ever gets into the game before then from me offering a hundred bucks if they can beat b.battler, in which case I will be overjoyed at having someone within a mile of my skill range to play against. I would also be overjoyed if the game ended up on steam and would forcefeed everyone even 2% interested in it a copy during a sale.

>>14618643
I personally never liked 6 due to the fact that Beato changed back into the old Beato, which disappointed me immensely since I could never recognize her as the old Beato.

>>14618681
Which is why I recommended the manga version.

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>>14614280
Wtf are you talking about? Rika is like ancient Jomon Japanese with a touch of trans-dimensional demon. Her bloodline's been isolated to Hinamizawa before even dirty Yayoi chinks came in.

Bernkastel may not be the same person, but she inhabits a slightly older copy of Rika's body so she is certainly Japanese. Dark blue hair is almost always correspondent to pure black hair in anime.

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>>14620797
>not wanting to fuck the clearly superior Lion

>>14620924
Lol learn to play without Easy Mode now. Don't wasteal your time on thay weak bullshit.

Also once you learn some basics just go online. You will get your ass beat but at least you'll learn along the way.

And I really do hope OMKC does make it to Steam. I would love to troll and sandbang scrub ass players and receive hate mail from them especially from people who think "spamming" is a real thing.

Also I wanna body some tumblrinas in this game too.

>>14622524
>>14620797

>being a samefag for a shit joke

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>>14622915
You what now

>>14622856
Does the game even have online matchmaking? Last time I checked there was only an option to host and enter a hosts's IP address.

>>14623035

My apologies

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Yelling BEATOORIIIICCCCCCHHHHEEEEE is actually a lot harder than it sounds and I have a lot more respect for Kinzo's and Batttler's VA's as a result of trying it out. It's really hard to sound convincing.

>>14623035

Useless! It's all useless! [blue]you took a screenshot and then edited it in software such as Photoshop or GIMP! It's possible that you are still a samefag with a shitty sense of humour![/blue]

REPEAT IT! 'I did not doctor this image in any way! YOU CAAAAAAN'T REPEATTTT IIIIIIIIIT!'

>>14623577
What if he took the image, doctored it, and then took a screenshot of that image? Then he wouldn't have doctored the image that he posted in any way, but it still would not reflect reality.

>>14623577
You think someone would wait 13 hours just to make a shitty pun? You're ignoring the heart of the story [gold]there was no samefagging involved

>>14623577
>>14623617

Here come the roleplayfags to shit up the thread again.

>every single thread

>>14623626
Do you have any theory or something to post on the thread? I'm really bored right now.

You know, an interesting thing about Battler is that he's technically the character we know least about in the Ushiromiya family.

Like, the Battler we get to know over the course of so many episodes is basically a fictional character that attains meta-awareness, but who wrote that character? Sayo.

When did she write him? Technically, probably before she met him again in 1986, because seriously there is no way she had the time AFTER the incident and the consistent death of Eva implies she didn't foresee the actual conclusion of events when she was writing.

If Sayo wrote Beatrice before meeting him in 1986, then the Battler she wrote is basically the 12 year old Battler he knows put in an 18 year old body. Which...explains a lot about Battler's personality, doesn't it? She even made him the Detective and POV character so that he was the one character beyond suspicion. The guaranteed innocent, who even comes dressing in white like a hero deserving a matching horse.

The Battler we know in Umineko is an idealized representation of him. He was definitely afraid of motorboats and plans when he was 12, but did he retain that fear when he was 18? Was he as heroic and naive and sweet and bullheaded as Sayo imagined him to be? Was he actually the true innocent or was he the murderous Black Battler?

Not even Battler himself knows. As Touya, all he has to go on is broken memories and the characterization Sayo already established; the characterization the community of Witch Hunters accepts as canon.

Not even Ange really knows, because she met him fairly rarely, and only in a specific context, which is now shaded by nostalgia and rose-tinted glasses.

The real Battler truly did die, because no one remains who can tell the world what sort of person he truly was.

>>14623628

Most theories other than the official explanation are impossible; the manga has opened the catbox forever. Unless Ryu comes out and says that a parallel solution exists, there's not much else to say really.

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What are you guys' favorite songs from Umineko? I pretty much loop the OST day after day even after all this time. Shit's golden.

lixAxil is my definite favorite, but all of M.Zakky's songs are pretty nice too.I wanted to punch Ange every time she told Amakusa to turn the music down. Girl has absolutely no taste whatsoever.

>>14623728
Anything mostly from Yoshikawa.

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>>14623728

World End Dominator.

Every now and then I still get lost in it and remember that scene. Its been my favorite piece of music for years, that feeling of doom and hopeless rage against it is amazing to me.

Rahu Goldenslaughterer, Rougoku, system0, false red shoes or whatever, the OP of the anime, and some song I have listed as The Witch of the Cat Box (with voice) would be some of my other favorites.

Also Intellectual Rapist if that counts.

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>>14623542

>>14623728
The Executioner/GoldenSlaughterer
It's very playful and crisp. I will definitely say that lixAxil is up there too.

>>14623728
Resurrected Replayer
ZTS is god-tier overall

>>14623728
Goldenslaughterer, slowmotion, and hope.

>>14615486
lucky

>>14623728
goldenslaughterer, dreamenddischarger, liberatedliberater and the like are great for the intense scenes.

I also have a special spot in my heart for 犯行の予告状読み上げ（ラック眼力) for some reason.

>>14623728
Haze, Any of Akiko Shikata, lixAxil and System0

>>14623728
Ridicule
Rog-limitation
Rebirth
L&D circulation
White Shadow
Flying
Happiness of Marionette
Oku
Justice
Haruka
Surrounding
F Style
Look Back
Terminal Entrance

UNTZ is overrated

>>14623644
Interesting.

>>14623728
Worldend [Baby Piano]
Dead Angle
Worldend Dominator
Far
Miragecoordinator
Apathy
Dreamenddischarger
Thank you for being born
Happiness of Marionette
Liberatedliberator
Resurectedreplayer
The Executioner
Lastendconductor

Though all of them are great, I'd say that these are the ones I listen to the most.

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>>14623728

The Great Detective Knows

>>14623728
Discolor

What's your favourite episode, /jp/? I'd probably go with 3, the atmosphere when Eva found the gold and became a witch with Happiness of Marionette playing was pretty amazing.

>>14625642

For me it is 5. This is the episode where things really go off the rails, things get shaken up and the battle of anti-fantasy versus mystery makes the reader see ep 1 - 4 in a totally new light.

>>14625726
I was about to say something really close, right up to "things go off the rails."

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>>14625642
I know a lot of people hated episode 6, but it was the most intense and enjoyable chapter for me. The closed room battle between Erika and Battler was so entertaining I couldn't put down the game even once.

>>14625642
It's been a while, and this is probably controversial, but EP7. After all the speculation and actually getting to it, it was a completely different atmosphere. Everything's getting revealed, and everything feels odd. The soundtrack is great and the whole thing feels like a crazy deviation from what we were expecting.

>>14625916
Oh, I agree with the atmosphere of EP 7 being fantastic. Most of Clair's scenes were so serene and peaceful, it was really refreshing, plus Bice is cute as fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3hZacCjwQ8

;___; 7

>>14625882

ahahaha I didn't even consider that when I was writing the post.

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>>14620797
too late.

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>>14626192

>R07 writing straight shota
>mfw the next wtc is ss

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>>14627568
Well, it already was in Higanbana.

Are Bernkastel and Lamdadelta real?

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>>14630818
I think so

>>14630818
Define real.

>>14630818
Real in the story or is it roleplaying faggotry?

>>14630818

Of course they are real. I've seen Bern-chan on /a/ playing with Rikaposter.
Lambda must be out there somewhere, maybe on /fit/.

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>>14632941
Are you seriously, dude?! I don't go to /fit/.

>>14613077
>>14613661
Erika existed in Rokkenjima prime?
I was under the impression she didn't

>>14633804
She drowned and was probably washed up ashore.

>>14631712
Real in the story. Are they the same type of existence as Beatrice, or do they exist independently?

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>>14635115
R07 used Pottery on Higurashi and Umineko. (just like Lucas did with The Prequels)

So its confirmed that Bern is the same entity as in Higurashi. I am not very sure about Lambda, but I believe its the same with Takano.

My headcanon:
>After being separated from Rika, Bern was lost and became like a vagrant spirit, Featherine (probably Hanyu alter ego) found her and made her, her disciple (her miko).
>Featherine wanted to teach Bern the nature of realities in their own dimension. (Realm of Gods like it was said in Saikoroshi-hen)
>So Featherine made a game for Bern (this is canon) where she would be a cat and could only escape if she was able to write the word "Miracle" as a cat, in a keyboard. Since a cat is not conscious, she had to replay it many times, resetting and by the Theorem of Infinite Monkeys, she would at least once be able to have that cat write the word "Miracle".
>(back to head canon) Bern was able to do it, and Featherine gave her the title of Witch of Miracles. Featherine wanted to teach her about her abilities and how they worked, that gave Bern understanding and independence to become a Witch. Bern understood the mechanics of cause and effect and was able to grasp its concepts, she realized that if its possible, no matter the probability, she can do it, she only needs to find the cause and effect for that ending.
>"He that increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrow." Bern essence was almost only just the bad experiences she had in Higurashi, with the new realization that everything that happens in reality are just stories, of the possibilities, and you just need to choose the one you want to read. This made Bern have that huge need to escape boredom, which is only solved by gathering more experiences or new knowledge she doesn't know already. Bern instead of being an edgy emotionless character, she is just hiding all the sorrow and probably her hate/envy for Rika happiness. (See: Broken Bird trope)

Umineko is said that ruined many characters because they had actions that didn't make sense in their characterization. I believe instead of developing Bern, being successful in reaching "enlightenment/nirvana" just like it's hinted for Featherine to have done. Bern got addicted to fleeing from boredom looking for many ways of escapism, instead of facing and solving her Witch problems. The idea is that Lambda and Bern are teenagers in witch years. Featherine is a matured Witch, this is why she is so powerful and as far as I know she is only mentoring Bern. but probably also Lambda in some degree.
But since not every story has to be about a character reaching their goals, R07 choose the option to make Bern fail and stay immature lost in her escapism activities, mostly along with Lambda. Maybe in a future story, if not, the possibility is still there.

Hinted in:
>"Ryukishi07 also stated that he has very detailed scenario about her and the other most powerful witches Lambdadelta and Featherine."
>Bernkastel's Letter
>Whose Tea Party?

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>>14635273
Meh.

Sorry for the autism guys, I really wanted to contribute something nice here.

Probably because I followed this development since Higurashi, all the theories, TIP stories and R07 interviews, her tropes, that made me love this character concept so much. The correct way would say that I love her concept, since I was not happy with the development in Umineko and not R07 specific character. But still was still fascinated with R07 work on it, even if I didn't like his ending, it's still his story. I just grab his original concept and think about a better possibility which I like better. This is why we make headcanons I think, it's not wrong if we state it as such, I also don't know if this was R07 idea for the reader to have, after reading Umineko, can someone confirm me this?

As I use to say, when we read stories, we are reading something from someone else, the author. Looks like a pointless statement, but people forget that we are reading a concept of an imaginary world that comes from an other human. When we read their works, we are in fact interested in understanding their views in that imaginary world, we can agree or not with the course of his story. It's healthy to doubt the authors choices and I think its the correct thing to do, then we make headcanons of what we read.

I can show you by using the Star Wars example. All the Star Wars drama we saw with the 7th movie, we could see how people were dealing with all of it. People went apeshit because someone different then Lucas changed Star Wars, it's a fact, and good that people realize it. But if you know this movie is not matching the original concept, you just have to discard it and move on. Even if it's sold as Star Wars, it doesn't matter. It's just stories around a concept, its immaterial and extremely subjective, they belong in a Tea Party™ . People inherently were interested in Lucas views (like people do with any author of a story like I said before), if Lucas was not contributing to Star Wars anymore, then its not his story anymore and you can discard it or like it for being better if that's the case.

Does anybody else get this really warm nostalgic, almost bittersweet, feeling whenever they think about umineko? I'm not one to cry easily, but the ending of umineko really made me tear up. I've never been this emotionally invested in a story before to the point where it brought me to tears. I can't deny that the story had its flaws but it was one of the best rides I've ever been on. Even years after I've finished it I can still look back on the story and not get tired of it. Even just listening to the soundtrack gives me that nostalgic feeling. In all honesty, though, and I know it might sound pretty cheesy, but umineko really changed the way I look at the world. I'd honestly consider it to be one of the best experiences I've had with a medium of entertainment. I know that's a bold statement to say, but it really struck a chord with me in a way I can't describe.

Even if it's not umineko, have any of you guys experienced this sort of feeling with something you read or watched?

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>>14637818
There was this guy. Poor lad probably never read Chiru.

>>14635460

>can someone confirm me this?

pretty sure Ryuukishi did expect fans conclusion regarding the gameboard tragedy but it wouldn't be a stretch to think that he also expected some meta-WTC conclusion.

>>14637818
I'm getting those feeling by watching Gankutsuou and Shinsekai Yori before experiencing Chiru.

Can anyone explains which is the Prime between Ange dies in 1998 or Bluepill Ending (magic) ?

>>14639052
Never seen that one before, thanks for posting it. It seems Russians are either useless bydlo who will stab you for a bottle of vodka or weird geniuses with enough soul to supply a small village.

>>14639052
I call bullshit. It's impossible to actually like Beato that much.

>>14639052
Do you or anyone else have the actual image of the canvas? I've seen it posted before but didn't know the story so now I want to save it. Thanks in advance.

>>14637818
I feel that with a few things, but Umineko does it especially well considering the scope of the work and the time I spent with it. It makes you miss the characters, and hope that they are happy inside of the cat box.

Guys, anyone can tell me what is already known from Hotarubi no Tomoru Koro ni?

Specially Bern piece.

>>14639052
That's fake. I've seen that exact same image on /a/, years ago.

>>14639052
The same image is on the /a/ 2014 (I think) Christmas collage.

>>14640227
On 2011 and 2015 one too.

>>14640218
Bern doesn't have a piece in there yet, as far as the scans show. We instead have notTakano Miyoko watching oni eat people alive.

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>>14641059
Isn't this related?

>Captcha: Choose pictures of Tea

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>>14625642
Episode 8 manga

beato

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>>14641059
>watching oni eat people alive.

That actually sounds really amusing. *grabs popcorn*

So the manga versions are all translated or not? because I can't seem to find any chapter after 30 of E7.

>>14645058
Are you using this?

http://bato.to/search?name_cond=c&name=umineko

>>14645060
I'm looking at the translator's site right now and it's fucking nothing yet.

This is really frustrated.

>>14644684
>00's ears
That's not right

>>14645058
Everything but EP7 is finished. One of the group's workers is having real world problems.

>>14641696
Would it be fine to read the ep8 manga without reading the other eps? I won't miss anything by having only read the VN will I?

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JUST FUCK MY PROPORTION UP

>>14647103
You won't, I'm pretty sure only EP 8 manga had any significant changes made to it.

>>14647668
7 too actually. But it's in the untranslated part.

How is the manga handle red, blue, gold truth?

>>14647706
They are red, blue, and gold. What did you expect?

>>14647706

Exactly how you think they would handle them.

The official releases have given them different styles of bold and outlines.

>>14623644
the real battler died because he killed himself out of fear of not being who he wanted to be. hiding, pathetically, as "touya", forever, and rejecting the only relative he ever had who didn't hate him.

[gold]truely, battler was the most pathetic ushiromiya of all.[/gold]

>>14635273
>Since a cat is not conscious
OBJECTION. those little hairballs -know-.

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>>14649143
What I meant was that she didn't control the cat like an avatar (where the cat would be special enough to think like a human). She had to use a 100% realistic cat that would by cause and effect, be able to write that word. This was her lesson.

Anyway, thanks for reading my autistic wall of text.

>>14649154
Any other cute images of Bern similar to this? >_>

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>>14650308
I browsed DA, pixiv, tumblr, google, for every all the pictures I have.

I also have a tab with pixiv open always to get new pictures updates.

I have no idea what you want specifically.

>>14623644
Damn. I know this might sound pretty slowpoke-ish, but I think I just fully realized why Tohya is able to put Battler's memories to rest at the end of the story. It's because Battler is able to see Ange finding her own happiness despite what happened on the island, and because of that he's satisfied and finally able to pass on. The whole story of umineko in retrospect seems based around Ange and how she comes to terms with her grief, which I think is brilliant. You go into umineko thinking it's a standard mystery story and end up with a story about dealing with loss.

Also another question, how do you guys think George, Battler, and Jessica would have reacted to finding out the truth about Shannon and Kanon? I've heard theories about Jessica secretly being a lesbian and actually knowing what's going on with Shannon and Kanon but not really saying anything, but I really wonder how Battler and George would have taken it.

>>14650577
RS07 said that George would have been fine with Shannon after learning her secret. Yasu was technically a male, so Jessica still would have been straighter than 90% of the cast even though Kanon was literally a dickless homo. I like to believe in the happiest outcome for all of them. After all, that was Battler's wish.

>>14650852
>George would have been fine with Shannon after learning her secret

he isnt enough of a man to find another girl n the first place. if his one and only ''true and honest'' love that he fantasized for years turned out to be a male, im sure he'd just be like "o-okay :("

>>14650365
>>14649154
BErn a BEst.

>>14635273
You are being overly literal and forsaking Higurashi's canon. The game she had with Featherine had a goal that was _like_ a cat writing "Miracle" on a keyboard. Important word is like.

As Hanyuu and Featherine shares many similarities, it is probable that Featherine participated in Higurashi's game. If that is the case, then she met Bern in this game.

Frankly, the simplest explanation is the best. Higurashi was a game between Featherine and Lambada, with Bernkastel as Featherine miko. When Featherine could not win she left Bernkastel to fend for herself. She won the game by pure miracle by trying again and again.

This is the likeliest explanation, one that is the most logical and coherent.

Let me see if I got this straight. The solution to the logic error in Episode 6 is that Yasu, as Shannon, left through the window and changed into Kanon. Then Kanon switched places with Battler. After hiding in the closet Yasu stopped being Kanon, and therefore Kanon does not exist in the closet. Is that right or did I misunderstand anything?

>>14652072
I just don't agree with the part where Bern was already Witch of Miracles in Higurashi.

This means that the whole Rika separated from Bern won't make sense, besides, R07 specifically said Bern was created from 100 years development in Rika.

Unless...

Using something also mentioned in Nasuverse, a "heroic spirit" is timeless, so it can come from any place in time, even the future.
This means that Bern or any Witch is not bound to a timeline and so, the current Witch Bern could interact with her past, in Higurashi. She could be playing in a game where the events where all about her origin which would be a paradox.

>>14654192
Mostly right, but Yasu got shot by Erika while in the closet so Kanon dissapeared

>>14654192
>>14654226
Does anyone know how the Rosatrice theory tries to explain this? I don't see how it could make sense at all

>>14654295
It actually makes sense
https://youtu.be/JHMta4YbjSM?t=37m20s
Go back some minutes to see the scene where Erika seals the rooms if you want

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>>14650577
Depends, i think they WOULD have make it clear to Yasu that she/he had hurt their feelings, but eventually i think all three would have helped Yasu.

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The DMM page for Iwaihime has some cool CG previews on it:

http://dlsoft.dmm.com/en/feature/dmmgames/iwaihime#download

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>>14656385
>AHAHA.WAV

>>14654198
I do not understand your incomprehension.

Rika was a piece in Higurashi, Featherine's piece. Higurashi was a fight between Featherine and Lambdadelta. When she could not win anymore, Featherine left, trapping Rika into a logic error against the relentless Lambdadelta.

This went for hundred of years. Bernkastel was born of Rika trying desperately to sort the logic error out and win the fight for herself. Then, after an undisclosed amount of time, by chance, like a cat writing 'Miracle' on a typewriter, Rika found a solution and won. Bernkastel, Witch of Miracle, was born from the meta struggle of all the Rika during Higurashi.

This is very strongly what is implied to have happened in episode 6. Very, very strongly. You can entertain other theories, but you seem to be at loss and confused.

>>14654192
Just reading this solution still gets me all sorts of mad.

>>14656385
Looks like some spooky shit. I like it.

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http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/watch/mg157217

TRianThology manga Chapters 1 and 2 released.

>>14657631
Wait what, since when did Trianthology have a manga?

>>14657671
https://seaoffragments.wordpress.com/2016/01/23/free-online-manga-of-trianthologys-first-story/

>>14657679
Oh, that's very interesting. Thank you for sharing

>>14656677
>Higurashi was a game between Featherine and Lambada, with Bernkastel as Featherine miko. When Featherine could not win she left Bernkastel to fend for herself.

You say that Featherine and Lambda were playing a game, right.
You say also that Bern already exists before the ENDING of that game (as in complete Witch of Miracles like in Umineko), by saying Bern was already Featherine miko before that same ENDING.
You say that Featherine quit trying to win the Higurashi game, so left just left Bern (once again, the complete Witch of Miracles like in Umineko) to solve the problem by her self.

What I don't agree is that you are saying that Bern was already COMPLETE before the Higurashi ending.

Unless, none of these implications were what you were trying to say. And this is what I don't understand, your post.

>>14657720
Forgive my typos, this is becoming a pain to me...

>>14649154
Is this Canon? If so when was this mentioned?

>>14657881
Interview.

>>14657671
>>14657679
It's only gonna be one of the stories, though.

>>14657679
>This is the story written by Tanaka Romeo, so maybe it’ll get as a dark as A Drug That Makes You Dream did (not the best VN out there, but a nostalgic gateway drug for me!).
This guy has no idea what he's talking about,

Looks like someone finally translated Hotaru-Bi's prologue
https://tarabletranslation.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/when-they-cry-the-first-and-last-gift/

>>14662397
Has there been any news on a translation of the manga yet?

>>14662397
Hmm. So is this Takano before the events of Higurashi? Or is it a Takano from an alternate timeline of the Higurashi universe? Either way, I guess it sounds kind of interesting, but I don't want to get too hyped for it.

>>14657720
Bern and Rika are one and the same before the full birth of Bernkastel, and subsequent disjointing. When she says she lived for hundred of years in a logic error, she really means her Rika life.

Umineko tends to attract people with an overly literal mindset who are unable to grasp the simplest of abstract thought. I don't mean you, personally, but things like the Rosatrice theory is built on your type of nitpicking and literal mindset.

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>>14663408
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about this, but I think the top right of this page says 6th month (June) of Showa 58 (1983). So it seems to at least take place at the same time as Higurashi, unless I'm wrong about the numbers

>>14663767
As I said I just don't know what you wrote on your post, which is theorycrafting.

The easy canon information is easy to understand.

>>14662496
Insider info says the person who translated the short story will be working on manga scanlations, too. Preview chapter should be released before too long.

>>14664038
What about the Trianthology manga? Do you know if anyone will be picking that up as well?

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>>14663769
It sounds more likme this is an alternative Takano

If this is just Lambda's game, then it would make sense that she just created a new scenario that also happens to involve crazy villagers and man eating demons.

>>14664038
Yeah, I'm doing the typesetting for it. It should be finished in a few days.

>>14660949

Sorry about that, I'm really more an 07th Expansion fan than a VN fan. I've only read about 10 VNs not written by Ryukishi07, so I couldn't call myself well-read to any extent.

Why did Battler fall in love with Beatrice in the end? I understand that he felt Yasu's pain, but the doesn't mean that he has to make out with his uncle.

>>14665613
Thank you.

>>14665525
Where is this scan of the manga from?

>>14654226
>Yasu got shot by Erika while in the closet so Kanon dissapeared
That's complete bullshit and it has been disproved many times already.
Some people just don't want to listen I guess.

https://tarabletranslation.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/when-they-cry-the-first-and-last-gift/

IT'S HAPPENING

>>14665738
Here
http://marumaru.in/b/origin/121666
And here are some slightly better Korean ones
http://mk1121.blogspot.no/2015/12/0_31.html

>>14665525
It's Bern's game, but you're right about it being an alternate Takano.

>>14665613
T-thank you, anon.

Only cute things should be allowed to exist.

>>14666396
So does that mean the right solution is that Yasu just stopped being Kanon?

>>14666530
>Takano will now have broken luck powers

Do you guys think Trianthology is When They Cry 5 or just another in between thing, like Hotarubi?

I confirm that Hotarubi is WTC5

>>14667837
Is it? I've never seen it referred to as that anywhere

Wait, since when could you read the Hotarubi chapter on their website?
http://www.futabasha.co.jp/tachiyomi/ma_hotarubiLR/index.html

>>14666530
>https://tarabletranslation.wordpress.com/2016/01/24/when-they-cry-the-first-and-last-gift/
What is this exactly?

This Trianthology WTC5 Horutabi or whatever, its so confusing I have no idea what is what.

Can someone explain?

>>14668123
This is the prologue to Hotarubi, which is the new WTC manga. The prologue came from a book which is a collection of short stories as far as I know.

Trianthology is a VN that was announced a while ago, but doesn't have a release date yet. It's supposed to be three different stories that somehow connect with each other, and a manga adaptation of the first story just started a couple of days ago, called Country Girl.

>>14667837
>>14668151
How do you guys know Hotarubi is the new WTC manga? There's not really mention of it being so anywhere. I just assumed it would just be some short manga with takano or something.

>>14668375
You're right, what I meant was that it's related to WTC, since it's about Takano, Lambda and Bern. Bad wording on my part

My current crack theory is that Hotarubi along with Country Girl will start covering two of the three stories that will eventually make up Tri as WTC5, with the way they link together being shown in Tri itself later.

I'm probably completely wrong.

>>14668515
Hotarubi is not part of Trianthology, we already know what the three stories are about
https://seaoffragments.wordpress.com/2015/05/17/acen-2015-07th-expansion-panel-3-ryukishi07s-latest-work-trianthology-unraveled-for-the-first-time/

>>14668569
>Also, Ryukishi07 mentioned that he occasionally checks in on 4Chan sometimes
Woah

>>14668151
So Hotarubi is the new WTC. If I am interested in WTC I should read this one.

Waht exactly is related with WTC and what can I ignore then, for being unrelated?

>>14657881
>>14657892
And here is the interview:

https://seaoffragments.wordpress.com/2015/05/17/acen-2015-07th-expansion-panel-3-ryukishi07s-latest-work-trianthology-unraveled-for-the-first-time/

>Q: What is the relationship between Rika and Frederica Bernkastel? A: Bernkastel is composed of all the negative emotions and memories from the Rika that endured 100 years of torment in Higurashi. On a side note, he mentioned that Rika was BT’s favorite character, so he greatly enjoyed making Rika evil to see BT’s reaction.

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>>14668947
Everything but Hotarubi and The First And Last Gift.

The only thing that Iwahime and Trianthology share with WTC is the writer, same shitty art, and possibly some expy characters judging by RS07's track record with these things.

>>14668961
Thanks, exactly what I needed to know.

>>14668961
Trianthology might be related to Higurashi though, with the whole alien-thing, but that's just speculation at this point

>>14667806
>>14667837

Neither are WTC5. When that comes out, it'll actually be called When They Cry 5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X9GVPZ69aA
Fuck, this opening is pretty cool! How is the actual VN though? I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

>>14669073

The Last Season OP is also pretty kick-ass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S07QsIF8Lc

I really liked Rose Guns Days. A lot of people will tell you that the first half of the first game is weak, and it's true. It's not outright bad, it just that it feels aimless. But eventually they introduce the real villain, and real narrative arc, and it gets wicked awesome after that. It's a roller coaster of twists, snappy one-liners, political machinations, and unexpectedly brutal main character deaths.

>>14669264
But this one has gameplay, right? How does that work?

>>14669298

It's basically just a twitch mini-game. It doesn't actually effect the story, though...it's just for getting a high score. You can actually turn off the gameplay and just do story mode, which is what I did ever the 1st Season.

In Horutabi Prologue, Lambda keeps her consciousness with the piece, doesn't seem correct for the game rules right?

Can someone explain me, is Takano conscious of Lambda? Or something like this.

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Natsuhi is my favorite ushiromom.

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>>14674025
>She blushes over a dirty joke

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>>14674701

>>14614569
They both look great.

>>14674950
Has tons of photoshop, and its not only filters, they mess around with the chin and other things mostly.

>>14671787
She probably controls the piece at times just like what Bern and Lambda did in EP5.

>>14676532
Isn't it against the rules? Like cheating?

They can't break the forth wall while in the game right?

>>14676561
Beato broke the forth wall multiple times in EP5 iirc.

>>14676860
Wasn't she breaking it all the time with kihihi Maria?

>>14676881
Wasn't that just Maria saying what Yasu had instructed her to say beforehand?

>>14676860
I mean breaking forth wall for the reality in the game, with their own pieces. The pieces would know information beyond the game reality, by having the consciousness of the players (Witches)

>>14676963
Doubt it. Otherwise the world lost the most talented actress in its whole history.

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>>14677028
That's what the manga says

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>>14677028
>>14677089
And this page as well

>>14677017
Zepar and Furfur commented on Battler's dilemma in EP6.

Though that may not be exactly what you're looking for. In which, I have nothing.

>>14677285
Breaking the forth would be like Takano talking to Rika about winning the game and announcing herself as Lambdadelta, where Lambda was actually using Takano as her avatar.

>>14676561
You're confusing the rules of 'a game' with the rules of 'all the games'.

Umineko was a mystery themed game with a strong emphasize on what is possible by a human vs what could only be done by a witch. Fine. But Higurashi was a fundamentally other game with other rules and other goal posts.

Nothing prevents Bern and Lambda from, say, playing a game where they both sponsor a typical shonen protag and watch who of them both survive to the villain.

>>14682300
Me on far left

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>>14684411
enjoy being bullied by your siblings.

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>>14684459
Better that than lusting after my brothers dick to the point of near suicide, being an overacting fool before nearly drowning and losing myself mentally forever, or lusting after my younger relative whilst dressing up as a girl, to be honest.

Iwaihime is out!

>>14684559
What are the chances of it being translated?

>>14614280
no one cares pollack fag

>>14684612
>VN unofficial translations
Expect to see it picked up in 2021

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>>14684484
OK, valid point.

>>14647668
5 gave Battler his cape in the ???

>>14665525
>alternate Takano
Meh, that's a real let down.
I was so hyped I thought this was going to involve Takano from the happy end world.

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Can anyone read what the series description of that new bottom-left manga is?

>>14686783
I can't read Japanese, but as far as I can tell it's the only series in that picture that isn't referred to by name. It says it's an original work by Ryukishi07 and Higa Yukari. I have no clue what the rest of the text says though

>>14686931
Oh, here's the source for the artist being Higa Yukari by the way. I somehow forgot to link it
https://twitter.com/higayukari/status/691817122276728836
But the picture also says 緋賀 ゆかり which is her name

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>>14685224
She's so fucking adorable, I hope Iwaihime gets translated as soon as possible

>>14686931
It kind of looks like one of the Trianthology settings, but I don't see the Trianthology name anywhere in it. Which is weird since Country Girl did have the explicit connection.

>>14687175
There is no name mentioned, the only name in that text is リリカルなのは (Magical Record Lyrical Nanoha) since that's Higa Yukari's most popular manga

>>14687175
>>14687203
Also, it probably isn't Trianthology, since it says 竜騎士07原作 (Ryukishi07 original) and Trianthology is written by two other people

>>14682300
>beato boobs

Nope.

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Is there a reason behind these?

>>14688890
yes

>>14685904
Are you kidding me lol.

How would a happy ending game not be boring for Bern or Lambda?

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>>14615486
>Caught
Creepy

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Who is the best sister? Satan a cute.

I just found out there's a thing called
>Forgery of the purple logic
Sounds quite fun, but I'm guessing there's no translations for it. Which brings me to my next question.
Are there any raws available for it?

>Miyoko Takano
>ko

So does her name mean Three Four Child or Three Four Sin now?

>>14689622
>in my mind

>>14689840
Yeah, in Ange's mind. ;_;

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>>14689861

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After re reading this for the 3rd time I'm still surprised how much I missed on my first and second read. Especially on my first, which I now consider more like speed read than a proper read.

>>14688890
They symbolize the fact that Yasu is gay as hell. Or straight, I guess.

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>>14689947
What does theway the stakes and others dress have to do with Yasu?

>>14689991
Isn't Maria the one that helped Yasu make the stakes? And she made the chiesters.
She's quite the little pervert uu-

>>14688890
Because RS07 finds that frilly shit hot even if it looks stupid to the rest of us.

What I would do to flip one of those frills up and down.

>>14689628
Isn't that a reference to Bernkastel's game in Part 8?

>>14689991
Kind of related to what >>14690024 said, but I always assumed the Stakes etc. were Maria and Yasu's designs that Ange found in Maria's diary and then made imaginary friends from. I could be wrong though.

>>14689628
>Are there any raws available for it?
Finding raws of WTC-stuff is always really fucking hard for some reason, but this site seems to have the whole manga, which is only 10 chapters long
http://www.umanhua.com/comic/10119/

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>>14690384
I also found raws for the untranslated part of Episode 7, if anyone are interested in that. It's a little different from the VN
http://www.dm5.com/manhua-haimaomingqizhishi-ep-7/

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>>14690468
So is the Rosatrice theory finally dead forever now that the manga literally explains how all the murders were committed?

>>14690929
It always fucking was

>>14690961
Yeah, but some people still believe in it for some reason.

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What do you guys make of this? Does this mean the ending of Episode 4 is the real one, and the Magic ending is just an illusion?

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>>14691329
Ange did "die" in 1998, but since red truths can be interpret in many ways if they're vague enough, Ange interpret it as her past self dying and being reborn as a new person, Kotobuki Yukari.

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Which witch would you hitch then ditch?

>>14691359
Oh right, I forgot about that. Thanks

Iwaihime manga

http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/iwaihime-r17623

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>>14691381
Bern is my waifu, so I would stay forever.

>>14691459
What the fuck, this is his 4th manga this year!

>>14691459
Is Iwaihime a Kinetic Novel, or does it have multiple routes?

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>>14691459
Well, that was a strange sex scene

>>14691459
>bro relative lets you stay in a room for free
>is in your class is teaching you the ropes
>tells you to stay away from someone
>ignore her and save the creepy girl, ignoring the possibility of her being a toe-sucking masochist

It didn't take long for mc to fuck up

>>14691470

Your waifu is very pretty.

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She looks like a fucking crack addict

>>14691459
It started so mind-numbingly generic I thought the only way it could redeem itself was if it showed some self-awareness.
Then the eldritch abomination/rape scene happened and now I don't know what to think.

>>14691459
>weird creepy girl is related to dolls
>everyone ignores her because she's cursed
>MC starts having nightmares about her
Is it just me or does this kinda sound like Another?

>>14691666
Another what?

>>14691886
Another, the best comedy anime ever made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuafA0FV37o

>>14691459
Damn. This seems like it has a totally different feel from anything that he's previously wrote, and it seems almost too dark for him. (I haven't read Higanbana so I don't know if this is darker than that. ) I hope it's actually good and not just edgy shit like this.

>>14691896
Okay, yeah, I see what you mean. That was handled poorly.

>>14692066
I think the reason this feels so different is because this one is stricktly a horror, and not a mystery, as far as I know

>>14691459
Well, that was both weird and interesting. I'm interested in seeing where it goes.

>>14691473
He's making up for lost time.

>>14692066
Higanbana was much darker. Right now, it's rather tame. For comparison, Higanbana starts with a teacher sexually abusing a younger student through blackmail, gets paranoid thats she might talk then kills her.

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>>14691634
Thank you kind anon.

>>14691459
So it's Another meets... Call of Cthulu?

Picked up. Hoping it will be as good as Higanbana.

>>14690468
Still 10 chapters short though.

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>>14691459
Well this looks like fun.

>>14693489
Speaking of ∆ when you compare her how she is in ep3-4 and then in ep 8 its quite silly how much her character was changed.

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>>14692309
She's also a piece of shit and a monster.

>>14693687
>he fell for the 'Lambda acts noble and sacrificed herself for worthless people'
Lambda never changed. She's insanely broken, cynical and deadly. That one moment you see her talking privately to Ange, blackmailing her to play easy is the true Lambda. She shows her true colors again when telling Beatrice to play seriously to win. In ep 8, Lambda isn't doing this out of the goodness of her heart. She's doing it to win. It's all a play. If the diary had been shown to the public Beatrice would have lost. Lambda made it so that the game ending in a draw.

I really find it weird that people fell for her noble sacrifice bullshit in ep 8. She pretends to be an airhead to get close to Bernkastel. She pretends to sacrifice herself to get the sympathy of the reader and to win the game. Witches are always cruel.

Another good example of Lambda pretending to be weak is when Featherine defeats her. By a logical standpoint, Featherine is stronger since Lambda's powers relies on Causality which is something a writer can ignore, bend or break at will. However, Higurashi was a fight between Lambda and Featherine and the former poisoned the latter. This is why Rika was without any help.

>>14690384
Thanks for that, but I doubt that's the whole thing. I'm sure there are more, just not scanned.

>>14693905
No, that's the whole manga. It ends with Battler and Beato saying they've found out who the culprint is, and then they challenge the reader to do the same. It ended in 2013 and only has 2 volumes

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>>14691381
>>14691470
>>14692309
I want Bern to be my twin sister, do not sexualize my sister.

>>14693770
If Lambda does all that pretending and such, why doesn't Bern also pretended to be an insane irrational killers bla bla bla? You really trust R07 characterization on those episodes?

Also Lambda is Certainty, Bern is more Causality then Lambda, to reach those almost impossible probabilities of success you must have a good sense of cause and effect. Also the write can skip causality in the story, its bad, but its still writing, almost like Deus Ex Machina or plot holes, the story keeps going, even if its badly written.

>>14694011
>Battler and Beato saying they've found out who the culprint is
Oops, I meant Erika and Battler of course

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>>14691459
>It has bullying

Great!

>>14693770
>She's also a piece of shit and a monster.
She's just being real, anon. You wouldn't want someone fake like Yasu.

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>>14687173
Would you make babies with her, /jp/?

>>14694075
I would love if this was Higanbana 2.0, but I worry it'll be more like Okamikakushi 2.0.

>>14694497
>that art

Shit man, compared to the manga I'm regretting on never learning moon. Guess I'll torture myself and wait for someone to hopefully translate the VN

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wHAT THE FUCK IS THIS THING

>>14694497
>Would you make babies with her, /jp/?
Yes, I've fallen in love

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>>14694591
Maybe it's her?

>>14694591
Eldrich goat.

>>14694608
Don't be silly, that's too farfetched

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>>14694613
When will they stop shoving their way into our gameboard?

>>14694637
They both have antlers, claws, red eyes and they even have similar hair. It's not impossible. It's probably from a nightmare anyway

>>14694667
Mate I was pulling your leg. That's probably the answer

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>>14694687
But then again, all the girls seem to have antlers, so who knows

>>14694698
But none of them have spooky long hair like that abomination except toe

>>14694698
>A VN where everyone is a Japanese Goburin
Fuck me. When will The Witch Hunt or some other group pick Iwaihime up?

>>14694497
Chin is too pointy.

>>14694698
>But then again, all the girls seem to have antlers,
Now I get why all the girls in the manga's first chapter were so horny.

>>14694754
Probably never, I guess it's finally time to learn moonrunes

>>14694591
>>14694658
is R07 going to go full poetry on us again?

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>>14693770
>She's also a piece of shit and a monster.
Bern did nothing wrong, ho.

>>14694019
>I want Bern to be my twin sister, do not sexualize my sister.
The love is pure.

Iwaihime's opening is surprisingly sweet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFBLIJpqTdw

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>>14694019
>why doesn't Bern also pretended to be an insane irrational killers
She's also pretending to a certain extent. I'm just not as certain what part is Bernkastel's true self and when she's just pretending for the story. Lambda is more cut and dry with those two examples of being cold, calculating and destructive. Bern is also shows to be a different character, able to care, make jokes, at the end of ep 8. That, personally, is something you would never see Bernkastel do in Umineko. But when the game is over, she casually tease Erika and jokes about it, and not in the overbearing femdom way either.
You have to look at the outlier of emotions to know what a true person is like. I would argue that Bernkastel also pretends to be completely emotionless in Umineko. You can tell she has some care and emotion when you read Bernkastel's letters to Featherine.

>>14694139
She's being a real asshole and a cunt. For sure.
I hate Bernkastel like nothing else.

>>14694608
>claws
Huh, is that why the guy was bleeding from his arm in the nightmare?

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>>14694698
I just thought of something. Is it possible that her family is related to Hanyuu's clan or is an alien?
Hanyuu was an alien that changed her shape to appear more human but wasn't able to change completely, leaving her horns. Meaning she likely used to be some sort of animal type. Don't those front horns look a bit like Hanyuu's?
Is it a stretch to assume that it's possible that the horn thing is ingrained throughout generations? Some latent ability that flows in the blood? The curse is one that spans 1000 years, essentially the same amount of time after Hanyuu and her clan came to earth.

>>14696224
>I would argue that Bernkastel also pretends to be completely emotionless in Umineko.

As I said before, Bern has a Broken Bird trope attached to her, this means that she plays emotionless to hide the sadness/sorrow she got from the whole Higurashi stuff, 100 dead Rikas etc. The true Bern can be seen very well on Higurashi, mostly on Rikas monologues.

If you hate Bern you probably are not seeing her properly too.

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>>14696314
Without love, it cannot be seen and I don't want to see her.
The Bern from Higurashi is different since she didn't break free from Hanyuu. That happened after Rei.

>>14696314
>bern being emotionless
She's a fucking insane violent cunt