>>14570864 But that creates an incredibly varied character with multiple personalities. If you use your imagination a character can be anything you want. How can you even pick a favorite at that point?
>>14570925 What people like is their own interpretation of a character, not just the few lines from canon. And a doujinshi can give good inspiration for your interpretation of a certain character, as long as it doesn't go against canon.
>>14570925 You pretty much treat yourself to the different interpretations of the same character and accept them all as representative even if they contradict one another. In doing so you enjoy seeing your favourite every time in a different setting, enjoy the particular author's vision of Gensokyo while being aware of your own, etc. I guess it's a technique that you either can pull off naturally or don't even understand.
>>14570973 They exist! Sometimes vocal on here. Though overall Miko's fanbase doesn't qualify for this thread because, with a portion of the fans being clever, it's actually at least average. But I feel that a lot fall for her character design and meme Taoism with the rivalry theme.
>>14571154 >Patchy fans are usually pretty cool dudes -They spam threads of her, never condense their shit -tons of secondary waifufags -the fatty patchy thing is the most obnoxious and cancerous fanbase of anything ever -look down on and maliciously insult other 2hus
Any character with a non-trivial presence in the series is going to attract secondaries and waifufags. How bad the fanbase is can be determined mostly by the size of the fanbase so it's not really a matter of the character necessarily.
The only fanbases that are truly awful are the ones based around characters that don't really deserve to have fans at all e.g. Cirno, Chen, Rumia, etc.
>>14571482 Well Cirno has stood the test of time really well. She's been around forever and still shows up. Had her own game. And shown up in official manga. She's been fleshed out somewhat because of all of this.
I'll agree with the others but Cirno has earned her spot.
>>14570860 I hope you're not implying I am one, because I am not.
But you're true, Sanae fans are always hiding cause this. They are so pussy to even defend their favorite 2hu.
Back in the point, The slut joke was pretty funny at the begining but on the later years it just become sad. Maybe because we have worse 2hus already or maybe because we're become old, I dont know, but I really want it to stop.
Basically, it's shit not because it's directed at Sanae, but because it's zero effort low hanging fruit way past its expiration date that was created by cancerous Sakuyafags who were butthurt their waifu got phased out.
>>14571675 Fuck you you fucking cunt rumia is the best touhou ever shes fucking adorable and loves to eat so you shut you fucking trap whore mouth ill fucking kill you with a goddamn fishhook if you say that again you cunt go fucking drown yourself
>>14570963 >Byakuren's fanbase is full of wretched beings and those who don't understand Buddhism (probably more widespread in countries where Buddhism is exotic).
Ah yes, gotta love fans who think >Byakuren is supposed to be a character with no flaws >Byakuren was an atheist who converted to Buddhism to save youkai - she's called a magician because she uses Buddhist magic, and she's immortal because she was rewarded for the strength of her faith >Byakuren was in her 30s or 40s when she went around saving youkai, calling her an old hag is just a meme >Activism brings Buddhists closer to enlightenment
Though Byakuren haters can be just as dumb >She stole Shinki's attack! Shinki would be in this game if not for her!
>>14570963 Also the whole "Myouren temple are actually super evil guys lmao" thing. Seems like it died down though?
>>14571822 >Byakuren was an atheist who converted to Buddhism to save youkai - she's called a magician because she uses Buddhist magic, and she's immortal because she was rewarded for the strength of her faith kek, I never heard this before. They also should say "irreligious" instead of "atheist".
ZUN should really explore Byakuren and/or the Myouren group more though. I feel like her characterization globally has been pretty weak outside of UFO. Maybe it's because she's so closely tied to her religion ans ZUN doesn't want to talk too much about the subject, but it doesn't help that in works like Oriental Sacred Palace and Symposium (IIRC), the "problems" of Buddhism they discuss are literally entry tier (the extinguishing of desires thing for example) and don't go beyond re-stating popular confusion, making it seem as if the tradition itself hasn't actually clearly dealt with those issues in the very earliest teachings.
Flandre and Yuuka attract the biggest fucking edgelords i've ever seen in a game about cute little girls, and have completely destroyed one of the better looking characters design-wise with MUH GRIM SADISTIC EVIL ULTIMATE STRONGEST POWER.
>>14572254 He is factually wrong. Byakuren was a buddhist monk that whored herself to youkai in order to stay alive/young. When she realized that youkai were people too, she betrayed humanity itself, which is why sensible people sealed her in Makai where she got a few danmaku tips from Shinki. Then her followers decided to unseal her and now she is loose again.
Unless some hero comes to stop her, this is gonna turn into some grimdark warhammer 40k nightmare.
>>14570782 Patchouli or Yuyuko. I fucking despise those faggots, constantly implying the characters are fat. If you have a fucked up fetish, keep it to yourself. Dont go around shitting up threads with how you think Patchy is fat.
>>14572354 The greentexted part is of course wrong, hence why the anon mentioned it. He lists things that ignorant fans take as truth. It's true that Byakuren " 'whored' herself to youkai in order to stay alive/young", but seeing youkai as just another kind of sentient being and helping them for that is 100% in line with Buddhism; making the "humans gud youkai bad" division is not. It's clearly established that her goal now is to practice alongside humans and youkai that are willing to, and to find ways to make youkai sustain themselves without doing unpleasant things to humans.
>>14572270 To be honest I like sadistic Yuuka, but not as in torture maniac Yuuka. It's rather her having a somewhat discernible evil aura, but otherwise being just a possibly dangerous cute gril. With Flündré it's pretty much incomprehensible, she's just a very powerful kid who's been literally kept in the dark and so doesn't have a 100% lucid view of her powers. Yuuka at least has the genocide quote to associate her with edgemastery, but Flandre has nothing. The eyes of destruction thing was a mistake.
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>>14570782 It's all got to do with popularity, which means in general >>14571451 has it right. There's just more out there for shitters to latch on to.
I'm an EoSD junkie, and every time someone complains about the fandoms being cancer it hurts my soul, because they're right. There's a ton of great stuff out there which keeps me very entertained, but it's easier to make garbage than something worthwhile, which means there's even more memeshit, edgelording, h-doujin and other cringe fodder floating around.
Being around here has taught me to keep anything of value I might ever make to myself. Popularity is pollution.
>>14573869 >Being around here has taught me to keep anything of value I might ever make to myself. Popularity is pollution. Anyone who played videogames knows this. Going mainstream is what kileld vidya. But can you not keep cute images of the EoSD cast to yourself. Especially Remi, Flan, Cirno and Hong images.
Personally I like EoSD best because it just imo, had the most memorable tracks.
>>14572270 I agree with the flandre one, good design but filthy secondaries are like, omg cute loli that destroys everything and everything. It butchers her entire character. Clownpiece also attracts a ton of secondaries for such a new character.
Wow, seriously? Nobody has said Chen? What a fucking bias, that unfunny honk honk shit is easily the worst thing that has happened to her image. You can't honestly deny that the b-kub chenposting isn't the most obnoxious shit that plagues her fandom.
>>14574697 But HONK HONK has no actual bearing on Chen's (flimsy) character. It's just funposting, and bkub's interpretation of the characters is funny. No one will actually claim that non-bkub Chen actually goes around honking to people. Compare this to "edgelord Flan" for example.
Yup. I've always done what >>14570944 mentioned. I've got my version of things and the cancer doesn't interfere, but I know it's out there. Sitting under the horizon, disturbing the air. Ah well.
As for liking EoSD best, it really has a lot going for it. People who disagree can definitely make good cases for their favorites, but it seems like most of the objections to EoSD have to do with the cancer from secondaries and particular sub fandoms, which can all be ignored.
Then again, there are those who actually object to the game, but if that's the case, then, well, you're short.
>ctrl+f flan >17 I know that it´s understandable, but it still makes me feel bad >>14572424 >With Flündré it's pretty much incomprehensible, she's just a very powerful kid who's been literally kept in the dark and so doesn't have a 100% lucid view of her powers. Yuuka at least has the genocide quote to associate her with edgemastery, but Flandre has nothing. If I had to point out something within the canon that makes her stand out as sadistic, it would be the music. U.N. Owen was Her gives a sense of childishness and lawlessness at first, with the mid-song change of tone being the last nail of the coffin. also the title of the song implies she´s a murderer. So, while you are right in saying it is annoying, the trend did have some basis >The eyes of destruction thing was a mistake. yeah, that didn't help either. ZUN should really put more effort in putting limits to everyone´s powers when he defines them. I have always seen her as someone who really doesn´t know anything about how to live normally, and that probably hates her power more that anything else for what it has done to her.
>>14575141 How i Flan out in the sun? >Then again, there are those who actually object to the game, but if that's the case, then, well, you're short. I like the game but lets be honest, it's not great without patches.
>>14570782 Yukarifags are pretty bad because 90% of them are also powerlevelfags, who are some of the worst cancer among Touhoufags.
Yuukafags combine the powerlevelfaggotry of Yukarifags with autismal waifufaggotry.
Buddhistsfags are pretty bad too, ignoring any wrongdoings their favorite faction commits while demonizing others. That goes double for Byakurenfags.
Every Sumirekofag I've ever seen have either been colossal shitposters, idiots, or both, so they're pretty awful too.
But the worst are probably Yurifags, who simplify characters (at best) in order to make them work with their awful fan fiction. Poor Alice suffers from this the most, but she's not the only one.
On the flip side, actual Cirnofags and Flandrefags aren't that bad, as long as they aren't secondaries. It's a shame that most Flandrefags in particular don't know jack about her character, as she's actually a fairly fun character in canon who should show up again.
>>14577027 >as she's actually a fairly fun character in canon who should show up again. Not gonna happen. At all. I realized this when Zun made a game about Taoism, which is Chinese and about internal energy like Qi and yet he didnt bring back Hong. Why the fuck would you not bring back the Chinese character when dealing with Chinese shit? Most characters we love will never be heard from again outside of manga.
>>14577375 I'm fine with ZUN constantly bringing in new characters, but you have to understand that Flandre hasn't even spoken in 10 years. She's only appeared once in the manga, as a silhouette, and overall she's only gotten a chance to speak in EoSD and BAiJR. Of all the Extra bosses, excluding PC98, Raiko, and Hecatia for obvious reasons, she's probably the one who gets the least amount of love in canon.
>>14577425 >I'm fine with ZUN constantly bringing in new characters Even at the expense of old ones? Instead of Hong we got Sanae and Youmu, because we hao other games with them.
Hong would have fit better, and while I appreciate new characters, it sucks having ol favourites just gather dust. Like you said, Flan is worse with this. But what I am saying is, Meiling would have fit the setting. Yet he didnt bring her back. So there is no way he would do anything with Flan at this point. Or most characters. But it would be nice if she got something in the manga.
>>14577027 Yukarifags are pretty bad because they are for the most part pussy wiped faggots who are genuinely proud to worship a man-eating monster. In no other fandom have you such an amount of first degree autism, betaness, cuckoldness, and stupidity. I have never seen any Yukarifags that wasn't a worthless being.
>>14575500 Shame also because that article was pretty fun. I think overall Flan has it worse though.
>>14575860 Well sadistic doesn't necesarily imply edgemastery. Written material does imply that she's somewhat imbalanced, but not in the I KILL EVERYONE CUZ I CAN *CUTS JUGULARS BECAUSE WRISTS NOT HARDKORE ENOUGH* way.
>>14577454 ZUN said that there's no reason for Meiling to be in anything that doesn't happen at the SDM, because she can't leave her post. Hence why her route in Soku was... that. IaMP Meiling happened because Tasofro had already made half the sprites before ZUN found out.
>>14578132 I always saw it as more of a warped, childhhod view brand of sadism. It's just instead of pulling legs of spiders or fucking up ant hills, she just hurts people and probably see's it as more of a harmless game.
>>14578179 "A character is popular, we should ignore them". So when are we getting rid of Reimu, Marisa, Sakuya, Reisen, Aya, etc? By your logic, Zun should stop making games becuase "it's still popular", only when all fans are dead does a new game get announced.
>>14578228 Thats depressing. I like Meiling. I like her music too and she fits in a fighting game. Cant Zun atleast make a game where you play as her and fight Marisa and others to keep them out?
>>14578872 >I was more talking about how the vast majority of her fans don't actually know anything about the series, especially in the west. This applies to pretty much every character. The majority of people who discuss Touhou dont play the games, thats why discussion dries up the moment you talk about gameplay.
>>14577027 >>14577425 >>14577454 maybe ZUN doesn't like what the fandom has made to Flandre´s image and doesn´t want to borther with that shit anymore. Just look at that incident with suika, why would he do that if he didn´t care? also I have just finished re-reading all the canon info of Flandre and I´m actually having trouble trying to picture what ZUN wants us to think of her or how does she even act normally, specially with that dialogue in BAiJR. And what do we get in the official manga? more and more fairies of light. It kind of pisses me off
>>14579100 The best I could ever gather of Flan is that she's some sort of eccentric who just does and says weird things. And I still don't understand her "emotional instability", all I could ever interpret was that she was prone to temper tantrums but her profile said she doesn't get mad often.
I feel like Koishi is what ZUN actually wanted to write Flan like but he didn't know what to do with her in the environment and situation he put her in.
>>14579129 now I'm more prone to think that her "emotional instability" means that she doesn´t deal with her emotions well and acts strange because of it. In BAiJR we don´t see a "nice and quiet" Flandre or that she actually respects her sister, but is stated that she does in other official works. Hell, she doesn´t seem to care about Aya at all and she is probably the third new person she meets in God knows how many years. If we add to the mix that she knows nearly nothing about the outside world, we have a person with a really fucked up way of perceiving the rest of her surroundings. Makes you wonder for what purpose she developed Four of a Kind
>>14577479 >the music and it´s title it's randomly chosen. Also you shouldn't try to look for character traits in the main theme of a character that has 20 lines of dialog in-game, you have enough source material No, you stop that. I´m not saying that the fandom was 100% justified in their take of Flandre, but there was definitely something that leaded to that outcome. >>14579260 from the wiki >Strangely, some fans have come up with the idea that Flandre has become a "PC-98 character" who has disappeared from the Touhou Project (like Mima and Shinki), due to Flandre not making many appearances and because Embodiment of Scarlet Devil was released not far from Mystic Square.
>Although it is considered senseless by the majority, some fans believe this is due to the issue between fans and ZUN occurred in the Second Touhou Saimoe Tournament, where Flandre won over Suika Ibuki and ZUN posted a rough drawing of Suika that hadn't been open to the public with a message saying "don't get defeated by a little sister that hasn't even reached the age of 500!", which caused a fuss among some fans in both sides. I just don´t understand why would he bother to do that in the first place if he doesn't have a problem with Flandre or/and her fandom
>>14579335 I have never actually seen this pic. Anyone got it?
>I just don´t understand why would he bother to do that in the first place if he doesn't have a problem with Flandre or/and her fandom If he has a problem, then the best way to fix it is right more info on said character so people cant argue against canon. If Zun wrote how Sanae s a virgin, calling her a slut would stop. I call her a slut, but I would stop if canon said otherwise. I'm probably autistic.
>>14579418 BAiJR and PMiSS tried to do that with her articles and it kinda worked. It´s still far from enough to correctly picture what kind of person she is, and interactions with more characters would help alot in that regard. >I'm probably autistic aren´t we all? autistic faggots like you and I at least get to be passionate with their hobbies. There are people out there who are not autistic, but won´t experience such a dedication to stupid shit like us. Everything comes with a price. At least that´s the way I understand "autistic" nowadays. It can bravely qualify as an insult anymore with the excessive use they gave it
>>14579541 >>14579680 ZUN didn't really write their relationship to be shit. Hatate even strongly implies this, and let's not forget the positive note Aya drops. It's not rare to find people IRL who are actually very close yet fight very frequently. You can interpret Aya-Momiji in different ways, it is clear that they're not friends who take it easy, but it doesn't mean they can't be friends altogether.
>>14578679 Maybe ZUN doesn't really have any good ideas about how to integrate her to a game, though playing gatekeeper is a good idea IMO. The main problem might be the fact that she seems to have been shafted into a pretty weak and useless state, since martial arts centric characters that are much stronger than her appeared. But that's nothing that can't be fixed with some creative expansion of Meiling's capabilities.
>>14579307 We're not talking about whether characters are bad, we're talking about their shit fanbases. Said fanbases generally appear without any clear reason.
>>14570860 Or it might be that we got tired responding and switched to just hiding it and digging it under better posts. You would too if you had to deal with hundreds of unfunny, cringeworthy and desperate attepts to annoy you. I guarantee that any self-respecting Sanae fan here is ready to defend her if met with logical arguments.
>>14580275 Sanae is a slut threads were the best threads. There were plenty, there were lots of posters and most importantly after the first 10 or 20 usual posts there was an actual discussion. Now we have almost no Sanae threads at all.
>>14570809 >Playing SA Wow, he actually fell for the memes. I realized it was a meme game after normal 1cc was alot harder than hard 1cc for many of the games. And people still insist that UFO is the meme game. Also, pic related. Kaguya and Mokou fans are insufferable.
>>14580275 >I guarantee that any self-respecting Sanae fan here is ready to defend her if met with logical arguments. Well there are no logical arguments for Sanae being a slut in the first place. She's not my favorite character or anything but it seems to me that people making that "joke" now, without any effort as >>14571624 said.
At this point, I'd say if you can be called a fan of a certain character, but you can't be called a fan of "Touhou", as in, canon material, you are the cancer.
Yukari fags tend to be absolutely awful because they won't stop obsessing about power levels. I bet they haven't 1cc'd a 2hu game in their whole life. It's stupid because every other character in this series is immortal or OP as fug or whatever. If they played the games and realized how silly the plots are they'd know that this is a series not to be taken seriously. Not nearly as seriously as most people in this fandom do.
>>14580718 I enjoy it because it has some very creative and fun patterns, and the mechanics are some of the most solid in the series. They would be the best if it wasn't for the power = bombs thing, but I digress. The whole Normal being too hard thing is kind of weird, the the difficulty normalizes when you go up to the higher difficulties.
>>14580673 To be fair it's also ZUN's fault for making Yukari into a powerbait. >vague as fuck "boundary manipulation" powers, can do whatever it wants according to Yukari >canonically confirmed to be very powerful and resourceful, but extent unknown >literal Big Brother of Gensokyo >kills people and eats them >shady as fuck and self-righteous It's no real surprise she attracted the type of fans she did. It'd be the same with the Moon Princesses if they weren't boring.
The main problem is the serious-non serious balance with regards to the setting. On one hand you generally have silly stories in the games as well as pretty silly interactions between the characters, then on the other hand you have dark or 2serious elements like eating people, "cosmic" scale powers, dark conspiracies, *psssshhhhh nothing personnel....... kid....* Reimu, "i am canonically unstoppable lmao" Reimu, etc. The more you drift away from a nearly perfect balance of powers, the more power level faggotry you get.
>>14570782 Rin Satsuki. Literally all we have to go on is "ZUN was going to use that name for an EoSD character", yet there are people who rave about how awesome she is and how ZUN sucks for not using her.
And no, pic related is not her official design. She has no design. It's just a random pic that ZUN drew once and everyone latched onto for some reason.
I love how everyone is hating on "secondariness", but when a discussion starts absolutely everyone is spewing some kind of bullshit >kills people and eats them Mkay.
>>14570782 There is only one really annoying group of anons - newfags. It doesn't matter which 2hu they like and how many games they 1cc'd. Discussing anything with them would not be fun. Oh, and shitposters. Shitposting knows no 2hu.
>>14581188 Of course I can't. Because it's impossible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot
>>14581193 Not this shit again. I'm not going to repeat here something that was discussed million times already, so just read these threads: https://warosu.org/jp/thread/14412500#p14419813 https://warosu.org/jp/thread/13594795#p13602461 https://warosu.org/jp/thread/S11905271#p11929123
And so I don't see how this WaHH chapter proves that >Yukari does deliver the meat >humans have 0 value for her
>>14581221 >And so I don't see how this WaHH chapter proves that >Yukari does deliver the meat >humans have 0 value for her
You're moving the goal posts, the original argument is that Yukari is a man eater.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Encyclopedia:_Presence >Youkai attack humans for food. This is in a book that was ok'd by Yukari, so it's safe to say that youkai are man eaters. And Yukari, as a youkai, must naturally be a man eater as well. We never see her eat people on screen, of course, but that's only because that's not what Touhou is supposed to be about. However, circumstantial evidence and various subtle hints point towards Yukari eating people, just like nearly every other youkai.
>>14581245 >https://warosu.org/jp/thread/14412500#p14419813 >nearly every other Nah, that part is also wrong. I'm pretty sure that most youkai actually don't eat people; a simple proof of this is the fact that most youkai in folklore don't eat people. Now Yukari herself probably does. You normally don't see a food peddler say something like "we gotta get food somewhere after all lmao" while not partaking in the eating himself.
>>14581245 >Youkai attack humans for food. The same PMiSS says that youkai steal crops. Yukari is a youkai which means that Yukari steal crops too. Also If Youkari attacks you you can give her a cow and she will let you go. By the way Alice and Patchouli are youkai as well. So they eat humans too (but only after stealing crops). And I bet a trick with a cow should work with them too.
It's a logical fallacy. You can't go from generalization back to a single subject. While there are lots of proves that Yukari covers and censors the dark side of Gensokyo there is no even an implication that she eats humans.
>>14581245 I really don't get why fans go into a frenzy about Youkai eating people, especially when it's been said over and over again that they do. People who have given up in life and want to commit suicide is the typical target for youkai food.
>>14581265 >You normally don't see a food peddler say something like "we gotta get food somewhere after all lmao" while not partaking in the eating himself. It's a common thing. It's just like some countries who secretly support rebels in other nations or even terrorist organizations. It's politics.
>>14581268 >Youkai eating people Non one really cares about that. Shitstorm starts when someone says that "X eats people". Or "All youkai 2hus eats people" which automatically includes X. Because so far there is no a single 100% confirmed case of a named 2hu eating people. Except for maybe Rumia and Kisume, but they are not very popular. And maaaybe Flan, but you actually can extract blood from a human without killing him.
>>14581329 >And maaaybe Flan, but you actually can extract blood from a human without killing him. >Whenever she tries to attack a human, she can't control herself and blows them away without leaving a spot of blood.
>>14581261 It makes me sad because I love Yukari but apparently I can't stand the canon autists either. Also, I beat her twice on Phantasm, the second time as Marisa so that I could shoot Christmas trees during Christmas.
>>14581450 A further problem is that she says that she's been a NEET for the last 495 years. Also when referring to human food, she only mentions drink. Which corresponds to blood? But then Reimu splits the conversation into "preparing humans [as food]", which sort of makes sense I guess, but at least in English "preparation" sounds too strong if the procedure is simply about extracting some blood. There was also talk about "cooking", though the Japanese word can be taken also as "preparation". Didn't the SDM have no connection with the outside Gensokyo until after the Scarlet Mist incident anyway? Again there seem to be some artifacts from proto-Gensokyo times.
>>14579335 >the music and it´s title it's randomly chosen...
Don't put words in my mouth. For one thing there is the dialog from the print works as well as the games. Where we get a conversation between Flan and Aya that was quite normal and civil. We get no indication that she hates herself or her power since she was happy enough to try and explain how it works to Aya.
As for the title, I don't see how it implies murder. Zun seems to have placed more emphasis on her being mysterious more than anything else.
The problem I have is that you take the fandom analysis of Flan and then try to make that fit with the music. You got the cart before the horse. You also don't seem to take into consideration that she is a final boss in a video game. Where climatic elements come into play. Go figure that a song with strong melodies would be climactic
>>14582188 >Don't put words in my mouth. I didn´t do such a thing, let me clarify why you are taking this the wrong way > For one thing there is the dialog from the print works as well as the games. Where we get a conversation between Flan and Aya that was quite normal and civil. that didn´t happen until 2005, so there was a 3 years margin for full, unadulterated autism to run rampant. I have seen fanbases get absolutely ravaged in far less time > We get no indication that she hates herself or her power since she was happy enough to try and explain how it works to Aya. I understand "emotionally unstable" as someone who can get really weird swings of mood. If we asume that the conversation with Aya is everything there is of Flandre Scarlet, we can asume that he doesn´t respect her sister, whe she really does. But, again, this is my take on her character and you are free to tell me I´m a retard, so let´s forget about it >As for the title, I don't see how it implies murder. Zun seems to have placed more emphasis on her being mysterious more than anything else. Well, it kind of does >Her boss theme ("U.N. Owen was her?") and her second-to-last spell card (Secret Barrage "And Then Will There Be None?") are references to Agatha Christie's novel And Then There Were None. In the origin of this incident, the spouse of the person who sent out invitations had the initial "U.N.Owen". As "U.N.Owen" is "Unknown", i.e. an "unknown person", the characters in that story were killed by someone unknown. >the characters in that story were killed by someone unknown. >"U.N.Owen". As "U.N.Owen" is "Unknown", >U.N. Owen was her?
>The problem I have is that you take the fandom analysis of Flan and then try to make that fit with the music. You got the cart before the horse. Why should they be separated things? I´m talking mainly about the 2002-2005 period here, but the only two things that fans had back them was the music and the in-game dialog >You also don't seem to take into consideration that she is a final boss in a video game. Where climatic elements come into play. Go figure that a song with strong melodies would be climatic So? I don´t really understand what you are trying to tell me here. Even if the music was made with strong melodies for the sake of being a final boss, that doesn't explain the final result nor the title
Again, I´m trying to explain, not justify, the origins of Flandre´s Fandom´s interpretation, even if it was wrong and exaggerated in the end. The original post I replied to >>14572424 said >To be honest I like sadistic Yuuka, but not as in torture maniac Yuuka. It's rather her having a somewhat discernible evil aura, but otherwise being just a possibly dangerous cute gril. With Flündré it's pretty much incomprehensible, she's just a very powerful kid who's been literally kept in the dark and so doesn't have a 100% lucid view of her powers. Yuuka at least has the genocide quote to associate her with edgemastery, but Flandre has nothing. so, yeah, I´m just showing what "nothing" can exactly mean
>>14596446 proportionately to the amount of flak the character receives, sanae fans are pretty quiet compared to others. remilia, sakuya, and yuuka fags immediately come to mind, breaking into doctoral theses and/or fanfictions whenever they get mentioned. here you go, i'll make it easy to see how full of shit you are: >>14536284 >>14583646
They always go on bashing on another Touhou to make theirs looks better , they always go with the "my Waifu is better than yours" mentality. I actually only mostly see this done by Sanae fans, other fans does not actually give much of a fuck when other does not praise their waifus, they actually know that there's no reason to try and argue with someone like that.
>>14597648 And what are you trying to prove here? I really don't know. That people actually have discussion about their Touhous while nothing of value is said in the Sanae threads? Do you really find it bad that people are having discussions(no matter how silly) about a certain Touhou in their own thread?
I was talking about how Sanae fans like you ALWAYS feel the need to defend your waifu every time she's mentioned, and as you can see I was more than right.
>>14597575 >and For the vast majority of touhou characters the totality of canon material on them amounts to a few lines of dialog, a instrumental, and a handful of named attack patterns. In any other franchise that would be comparable to a midlevel boss or minor side charcter. Those that have more are far from the norm.
>>14597710 And why exactly do you think Sanae fans developed the need to defend her in the first place?
Not that it matters anyway, since any defending of her that I've seen took place in her own threads (and only in response to the baits that take just a tad fucking bit more effort that the obligatory huge cocks full of cum/mosquito/ten desires/beach condom post, to boot).
The sheer faggotry happening in this thread is literally the first instance of someone insulting another chracter to defend Sanae that I've ever seen outside her own thread. As a fan of her, I'm washing my hands and not taking responsibility for the shit, nor do I feel the need to excuse myself for expanding my arguments beyond a single sentence. Thank you.
Let's check how often the newhus and not-so-newhus got mentioned.
>ctrl + f "seiran" >1 hit, but it's not saying it's a bad fanbase To be expected of such a flat character like Seiran. >ctrl + f "ringo" >0 hits Weird, I was under the impression that the MG MG thing bothered people. >ctrl + f "doremy" >0 hits Noone hates smugposting, I see. >ctrl + f "sumireko" >5 hits What the hell? I barely see her mentioned ever and whatever fanbase she actually has hasn't managed to conjure anything more fanbase-y that the Mokou/Sumireko thing. >ctrl + f "sagume" >1 hit OK, I wasn't expecting this one either. What's there to hate about her, given there's barely anything to like? >ctrl + f "clown" >12 hits Surprising nobody. >ctrl + f "junko" >0 hits How long until the MILF posting reaches Kanako levels, I wonder... >ctrl + f "hecatia" >1 hit, but it's not saying it's a bad fanbase Oh come on, am I the only one who feels all the bullyposting she gets is fucking stupid? (although that probably wouldn't fall under hecatia's fanbase. maybe. i dunno)
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