Gust Thread

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Every scene with these two make me laugh.

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>>14566845
Both Aisaka and Iguchi did a great job voicing them. I still love Sophie's reaction to coming home to a floating, talking book.

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>>14566845
>>14567070
>my face when sophie's face

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>>14567091
Sophie always has that "I'm going to molest this book" look in her eyes.

>>14567070
Aisaka taking the part of Sophie really took me aback. I was following her since princess connect. I'm sad she stopped doing videos for princess connect, felt like she and Juri had good chemistry.

This thread may be of interest to Atelier fans: >>14567494

>>14567946
A new Patchouli fangame? Fantastic.

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Ionasal is best girl

Would it be worth to get a Vita to play Ciel ? I already bought the game but I didn't know it's not compatible with the PSTV so I'm at a loss here.

>>14568921
I didn't think it was worth it. Then I started watching the translated story on YT (to prepare for Ar), and after about two chapters I ended up getting the game and a Vita. Ion was just too cute, and I'm a sucker for games where you can collect outfits and dress up your characters.

If you only care about the story, though, you can get by with just the translation pastebin or videos.

>>14568921
If your PS TV is not on the latest firmware v3.55, you can hack its whitelist to allow playing any Vita game you want (but if the game requires Vita-exclusive input such as camera or touch screen it may become uncompletable; I don't know how Ciel in particular will be affected).
If it is on the latest firmware and you still get a Vita, there's a good chance that one of them will be collecting dust soon.
Ideally you should have:
1) Vita on exploitable firmware: 3.18 or older (best) > 3.3x - 3.51 > 3.52 > 3.55 (worst)
2) PS3 capable of PSN access (OFW or CFW) to transfer Vita games from if your 1) Vita is not on the latest firmware
3) Vita/TV on the latest firmware for online features, PS+ and playing Vita games that require newer firmware than 1) has.

So if you already have a PS3, you should get a hackable Vita (Ciel is older than the "golden" firmware 3.18, so you can have many older consoles in your single Vita through emulation).

If not, you can still get a Vita and a memory card, but it will be the waste of money for the most part unless you sell them or PS TV when you're done playing Ciel (it's not possible to use a memcard from 3.55+ Vita/TV in Vita/TV on older firmware anymore).

>>14568967

>pastebin

We've upgraded now. http://www.unit03.net/view/Ciel_nosurge/Summary

>>14566769
Stealth namefaging is still namefaging.

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New ATFLPP soon.

>>14569286
My PSTV is on the lastest firmware unfortunately, and I'm a little uncomfortable with hacking anyway. I guess I'll have to waste a bit of money to play Ciel. It would be a shame to not play it actually since >>14568967 seems to be enjoying it.
Thanks for your answers and sorry for going off topic.

>>14569962
Rorona is so sexy.

where could I find a map of the world in the Dusk series?

>>14570092
The PSTV wouldn't work well, anyway. Ciel requires the touchscreen to pat Ion on the head, and the camera to scan barcodes to generate Sharls.

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What is the best pre-Arland Atelier Trilogy/Dualogy ?

>>14572071
I haven't played them all, but I'm playing Salburg (currently Elie) and it's a blast. I had always thought of them as simple, primitive games but it turns out they're very fun, Elie opens things up with custom crafting, 13 different endings, and many many events. Very fun stuff.

>>14572071
Mana Khemia.

>>14572071
Mana khemia is the best pre and post arland atelier.

>>14572703
>>14572922
Mana Khemia had a really good card based battle system, and Roxis was amazing shuffling the cards.

I always wonder why Gust ditched that, and instead made a very primitive and basic turn based system thereafter. Why can't we have both awesome alchemy and awesome battles?

What is it about Gust that makes them feel so distinctly Japanese?

>Atelier series director Yoshito Okamura shared some of his plans for 2016 in an interview in this week’s issue of Famitsu magazine. [Thanks, Hachima.]
>“Regarding Atelier Sophie, I’m currently considering a new kind of development in response to its favorable reception,” shared Okamura. “I’d also like to vigorously take on a challenge with a new title like Nights of Azure.”
>He added, “if Gust doesn’t release a new Atelier each year then we’d die, so we’ll surely have something this year!”
https://archive.is/0BtWe

Google translation of the following part sounds pretty unsettling, is this a joke or what?
>コーエーテクモゲームス・土屋暁(シェルノサージュ・アルノサージュなど)
>・2016年は私自身にとって命をかけた戦いになる。サージュコンチェルト関連の展開は今後もあります。
ノベライズはお待たせしているが鋭意製作中です。
http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/8461260.html

>>14573197
>コーエーテクモゲームス・岡村佳人(アトリエシリーズ)
>コーエーテクモゲームス・菊池啓介(影牢シリーズ・よるのないくになど)
>コーエーテクモゲームス・土屋暁(シェルノサージュ・アルノサージュなど)
Interesting that all 3 Koei Tecmo representatives are from Gust.

With regards to Atelier Sophie, market response was pretty good so it seems like he's going to try something new the next time. KT probably gave him the greenlight.

With regards to Yoru no Nai Kuni, the director is working with Gust on a new game now.

With regards to Surge Concerto, Tsuchiya says 2016 is a year where he fights with his life on his line ("命をかけた戦いになる"). What does that mean? No elaboration. Let's hope he's not sick or anything. Japanese colds can be fatal...
He's still working on Surge Concerto stuff and tells us to wait warmly for a Surge Concerto related (light?) novel.

>>14573197
>He added, “if Gust doesn’t release a new Atelier each year then we’d die, so we’ll surely have something this year!”
I'm not certain if this is supposed to be a joke or not
>Japanese part
My Japanese is pretty rusty. He's basically saying that 2016 will be a battle, and to expect a Surge Concerto novel, or is he saying they're writing a new script? I'm not sure.

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Casty, Get!

>>14573197
>2016年は私自身にとって命をかけた戦いになる。サージュコンチェルト関連の展開は今後もあります。
2016 to me will be a fight where I put my life on the line. There will be developments related to Surge Concerto.

>>14573197
>Regarding Atelier Sophie, I’m currently considering a new kind of development in response to its favorable reception
Hopefully that means no more deadlines in Atelier games.

>>14573242
>Interesting that all 3 Koei Tecmo representatives are from Gust.
Good riddance, KT doesn't have anything else of importance.

>>14573242
>コーエーテクモゲームス・菊池啓介(影牢シリーズ・よるのないくになど)
Great, Yoru no nai is part of a series now? I guess that means it sold okay.

>>14573242
>コーエーテクモゲームス・土屋暁(シェルノサージュ・アルノサージュなど)
Atelier and Kagerou(?) are its own series, yet Surge Concerto is just "Ciel nosurge and Ar nosurge"? When Kagerou is currently just one game and Surge Concerto is a legitimate series already?

>>14574253
>Good riddance, KT doesn't have anything else of importance.
Nice joke, the only good thing Gust has been putting out recently was Surge Concerto. I'd take another Musou over another Atelier

And Kagero/Deception is a long running series with four (4) games already

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>>14574582
I think you mean that Atelier is the only good thing they've been putting out recently. I don't care for Surge or Yoru at all but Atelier is still one of the few good series that Japan has left. I could maybe be interested in a Yoru sequel as long as it has a new main cast. I'd kind of rather see them try another new IP though.

>>14574253
>When Kagerou is currently just one game

What? Kagerou has been a series since 1995.

Kagero: Nightmare Princess is known as Deception IV for a reason.

>>14575711
Yeah, I've never heard of it. Sounds pretty interesting too, too bad they're overshadowed by the boring AAA games.

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Lotte molesting Stera!

Miruca checking out that Lotte-butt!

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Well that's depressing. Sorry, Ion.

>>14576297
I got a similar event once but I don't remember Nelico being so mean to her. Can't quite remember what she said.

>>14576297
How long did you leave Ion for?

Usually when I put the Vita down for a few days I just don't let the game fast forward the time.

>>14576060
Deception IV was really popular though. The only KT games that would even come close to AAA status were the ones moneyhatted by Nintoddler and I'd argue they're still LESS well known than Deception

I can hear voice overs but no SFX and BGM on Atelier Sophie. Just what am I doing wrong?

Finally wrapping up Ar nourge over here. Shurelia is a homewrecker across all of space and time.

>>14580944
So are the people who chose to stay with her.

>>14580944
That's unchanging personality. When given similar enough stimuli, she will respond the same, every time.
And stimuli being "a pretty guy", a preprogrammed response is "homewreck".
Well, at least with Lyner she doesn't actually ask him to stay unless you've gone through all of her Cosmosphere, even if it isn't a real Cosmosphere. So that doesn't really come out of nowhere, by this point that's kind of a natural reaction.

Reminder that if you can read and write Japanese you should fill out the questionnaires at Gust Social, to let Gust and co know what you liked (and possibly what you didn't).

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>>14583380
Among the things you can get if you fill out the questionnaires are wallpapers (pic related) and bonus sound tracks.

>>14583409
Are there Ar Tonelico wallpapers?
I don't get it. You make an effort and draw a giant tower holding up a green sky island, and then you don't make a wallpaper out of it. Seems like a waste.

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>>14583592
The aspect ratio wouldn't fit any monitor screens.

>>14583681
Yeah, this is the one I was thinking of too. But in a better perspective.
Unfortunately, nobody cares about Ar Tonelico, nowadays even more than ever, so I guess new wallpapers aren't going to happen, if there weren't already.
Well, at least Ion is cute as always.

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>>14583774
There is this at least.

Tagged Atelier Sophie OST
Sound Archives are still missing tags since I couldn't get anyone confirm if http://vgmdb.net/album/55758 is wrong or the rip is bad

https://mega
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>>14583380
Link? I absolutely hate navigating Jap sites. Images, links, sidebars all over the fucking place.

>>14585324
Found it: http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/citizen/enqlist

Gust's site seems more organized than I remembered.

Does anyone have the password for the Ar nosurge survey? Apparently, AnS+ isn't good enough, they want the PS3 version.

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>>14585634
The survey password for Ar nosurge OST quenstionnaire is pic related.

I think the password for the Ar nosurge PS3 game was a time-limited event between 2014 and mid 2015, so it's over.

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Does anyone have a physical copy of Ciel nosurge Genometric Concert vol 1?

Can I trouble you to find the password inside it?
(It's not in the scans)

>>14585768
And for the record, the password to the largest Ar Tonelico questionnaire

http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/citizen/answer?id=69

is 1181, and can be also be found if you have the US copy of Ar Tonelico 3 for the PS3.

I finally prepared my EXA_PICO Autistic Music Collection. I'm not sure how many people actually want this, but I had some free time so I made it.

I believe most of it is the same music as the latest FLAC collection, there's a few albums I had to go out of my way to get IIRC, those are in there too.

Everything is tagged and organized correctly.

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=772205

Info: http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=772205

>>14586850
Info: http://pastebin.com/Pc88NuEC

>>14586850

What's the difference between this and the AT music collection torrent (This one - http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=734422 ) other than fixed tags and such? Is the content itself still the same?

Edited to provide a link.

>>14587159
My Music Collection in MP3, while his in FLAC.
Mine has much more content.
Also different approach and system of tagging.

>>14587159
And, If I remember correctly, mine has every album with scans, even if it's sometimes covers only.

>>14586850
Wasn't there someone who claimed to be doing an Aterlier music collection? Exa Pico has been done before too many times.

>>14587196
Nice braggart post.

>>14587201
I think you need to check your eyes and compare two pastebins, before you make any silly assumptions, anon.

>>14587203
I didn't say you were wrong, I just said that bragging about your own compilation is a huge dick move, and having your own name so you can stroke your huge ego is also a dick move. That's pretty much why all other compilations are superior.

>>14587220
That anon asked about the differences. I answered. No one bragged about shit, stop it.

>>14587159
Well, it's FLAC for one.

If you mean compared to the current FLAC collection, there might be one or two extra albums? but mostly just fixed tags.

>>14587227
>>14587220 might gone too far, but you really are attentionwhore and the one who must stop.

>>14587196

>Mine has much more content.

A shame, I'd like it if it had your content but autism Anon's lossless and tagging.

>>14587220

I asked, he answered.

>>14587252

I'm aware it's FLAC compared to the MP3 only torrent, I was more referring to the actual content within.

>>14587255
I explained many times about my name and stuff. Not my problem if you have autism about that.

New ATFLPP coming up soon, with huge pastebin info included.

>>14587255
God forbid someone respond to criticism.

>>14586850
Thanks, I always wanted to put my own collection in order with gains and such but it's too autistic

>>14587259
>A shame, I'd like it if it had your content but autism Anon's lossless and tagging.
If/when I get steady income/get my hands on the missing FLACs, I will add them and update the autistic collection.

Also, I think I've noted everything I that I was missing in the info paste, I'd appreciate it if anons pointed out anything that I have missed completely.

>>14587260
How about stop attentionwhoring so people around wont get mad? Oh wait, this is exactly what any namefag aiming for.

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>>14587282
And how is you shitting up the thread because of your autism and paranoia helps here? Anyway, I'll stop replying now, because it seems only to trigger you further, which doesn't help the thread one bit.

Here's the new ATFLPP, everyone. It contains everything that may help you and newcomers. Enjoy.

http://pastebin.com/mSMzUqU4

>>14587196
So none of the files in this torrent are backward compatible with the older AT lossless torrent?

Shame, I was thinking of just moving the files into the new directory structure so I can skip on having to download everything again.

>>14587598
Unfortunately, yes. It's the entire new compilation.

Actually, I'm planning to renew the torrent sometime in 2016, when I acquire new stuff. I will then completely retag and remake the structure of the entire collection, since it still suffers minor difficulties.

>>14587607
>completely retag
Huh.
Well, you can try to make make torrents backwards compatible as much as possible so both uploaders and downloaders can save on the bandwidth and time.

>>14587610
It's a good idea, I can see what will I do about that.

By the way, here's the list still missing from the collection:

1) Hymmnos Consert Cherry Album. The stuff of nightmares, incredibly rare to find even in Japan, I think. Doesn't exist in the web.
2) Cosmocrystal, recent work from ARM. STILL can't find any of it's downloads in the web. I can't order anything from the location where I live, because of heavy restrictions, so I hope, if this is possible, anons can take care of it, so it can finally be added.

I also patiently await Gust Sampler CD from new Comiket.

And for those who don't know - I also work on Atelier Music Collection in MP3 format. Hope to bring it to you right after FLACfag's collection.

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>>14587640
Yeah I'll just need to find a CD drive now because I suddenly realize I don't have any optical drives sitting around at all.

>>14587668
Wow, that was fast. I hope you will be able to rip it and bring us a link, would be MUCH appreciated.

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>>14587681
Yeah, I got back to my home country only a day ago, still sorting through other comiket loot.

>>14587705
If I get Cosmocrystal, I'll get on working the new torrent even sooner then. Once again, thanks.

I think we also need to include that playlist + summary of Ciel in new OP. And, while I'm at it, I can work on Atelier for Lazy People Pack, if anyone here interested.

>>14587717
See if this link works.


https://mega.nz/#!Il9WzSpC!Yi70TGXxJgw9Vf0sIp_KTHqU6XEwGFbTEqVw5A1CbXY

>>14587866
Link's working, but I can't seem to mount it in virtual drive.

>>14587928
I can't either, but I can use one of those track splitters and simply split the disk.

>>14587947
I think the system doesn't like this BIN. Anyway, please do and try to split the files, if you can.

>>14587956

https://mega.nz/#!QpkA3Ara!tcgfjwfVRUgxBlzL6kpCjQNTydz8EDXuQies8CQmbWA

>>14587995
Yes, it works fine now. Finally, we have this CD. Thanks a lot for your work, friend!

>>14588087
I'd FUG Meuru!

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So what now? Don't tell me I have to wait for the February instalment.

>>14587201
I am working on Atelier. I'm slowly truding through what I have on my HDD and what is in the 40 GB GUST torrent on Nyaa.

>>14588701
I put my faith in you, good sir.

>>14588728
My biggest gripe is that VGMDB doesn't sync back to MusicBrainz and I have to copy shit by hand and then edit it in Picard so it's really tedious

>>14588733
I don't know about Picard, but you can try mp3tag, which is really quite convenient in my opinion.

You could also explain your workflow in more detail, which might enable us to help you improve it.

>>14588766
1. Go to http://vgmdb.net and look for album
2. Copy as much as possible to MusicBrainz
3. Open the folder in MusicBrainz and mark it explicitly as the just-created release (most of GUST stuff get's labelled as the fucking big 20th anniversary release which drives me mad)
4. Fill in additional per-track information
5. Save
6. Weep because MusicBrainz doesn't store per-track information

Playing AT1 right now
Is there a recommended route?

>>14588971
whoever you want to install ur dick in

>>14588971
Follow your feelings. Spoiler: In case your feelings point towards Aurica, then ur a fageat.

>>14589068
By the way, is her route as fun as Misha's? Never went through it.

>>14588971
Yes. NTR.

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Holy shit. This entire genometrics was basically an express train to feels town. Ion did nothing wrong. She didn't deserve all the shit she went through. ;_;

This is the wallpaper of most Japanese otaku these days.

>>14588794
>Weep because MusicBrainz doesn't store per-track information
What are you talking about?

>>14566769
Why retranslate AT2? Was content cut from the EN release or something?

>>14586850
Hold on... no booklet scans at all in this?

I'm sorry but I'll hold on to the older torrent until you put the booklet scans in this, because the booklets contain a lot of pretty important setting information and lyrics.

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>>14591072
NISA's translation was particularly sloppy.

>>14591113
My autism wouldn't let me just dump pictures into a folder and call it done.

Some time in the next decade I'll release an EXA_PICO Autistic Text and Visual Materials Collection, just for you.

>>14591452
You're clearly not autistic enough to be a /jp/er, so get out.

>>14591072

NISA is known for their mediocre translations and extremely liberal work when handling certain games. Among the list of games is Ar tonelico 2 which suffered greatly with a lot of things mistranslated and a lot of instances had characters sounding completely different to how they actually are. In a game that actually has a decent world and lore behind it this was rather shitty so some guys came along and have been working on it for a few years now.

It was playable before without a doubt but the retranslation just makes it better and more in line with what was actually intended. But now I'm reminded the poor Neptunia games will be forever shitty thanks to NISA. ;_;

>>14591863
As if the retranslation will ever be released outside of ``private beta testing''. Hahaha, nice one.

Besides, are you telling me that Bitch and Whore are somehow better people when their translation isn't butchered? No thank you, I have absolutely no desire to slog through AT2 again, since it takes so long for best girl to join your ranks. And even after that, best girl is just an afterthought in the story, unfortunately. A tip to AT1 fan. Even her ending is more focused on what became of the other two.

>>14591871
I actually liked Cloche a lot more than Jakuri.
I didn't like Luca much, but then again, I haven't played through her path yet. Maybe her Infelsphere redeems her, as Cloche's did redeem Cloche.

>>14591883
I made the mistake of playing Luca's first, since I was a fan of the childhood friend route in AT1. Big mistake. The Infelsphere was an absolute horror. Well, I guess it also is an horror when playing Cloche's route. Bah, even remembering that shit turns me off.

>>14591893
Meaning "bad" or meaning "surprisingly scary and depressing"?
I would certainly agree with the second one. The end of Layer 1 takes the cake. After that, it's lighter, but the whole Layer 1, really, takes the cake. I even doubted I'm playing the same hopeful, idealistic game at the time.

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv246630672
Live stream soon.

C89 gods up on webstore (no event exclusives as in tapestries or daki)
http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/comiket89/websp

Updated OP
http://pastebin.com/FBYAuFjC

>>14594924
>Spend 2000 yen to get the Sampler CD
WHY DID I SPEND 8000 TO GET IT DURING COMIKET

>>14589530
This could pretty much sum up the backstory of almost all charaters in the game. It really sucks to be in the surge concerto universe, apparently

>>14591893
I did the same even if Luca was, and is still, my favorite character-wise. Depite this, Luca DEFINITELY gets the short end of the stick in the game though; even her own path has Cloche everywhere in it, Cloche's........ Not so much. Too bad. This definitely could have been handled better

>>14595860
Let's see.

Delta: somehow really easily possessed by extradimensional beings
Cass: falls in love with an idiot who's really easily possess by extradimensional beings
Sarly: Extremely sick.
Shirotaka: Fight with family about future goals.
Kanon: Artificially created and trained as COSAL shell.
Nay: Bodyjacked, used for experiments.
Ionasal: Souljacked, used for experiments.
Reon: Souljacked and imprisoned for thousands of years.

Back on Ar Ciel:
Misha: Made to sing for a decade.
Aurica: Family and hometown slaughtered, psychologically scarred.
Shurelia: Permanent NTR syndrome
Luca: Adopted, adoptive father dies, sister kidnapped, grows up in extreme poverty, sells her "body" for money
Cloche: Adopted, kidnapped, used for experiments and as political puppet.
Jacqli: Tortured, experimented on, first loved one killed, imprisoned for 350 years, defeated and saved by an idiot who rewrote her Binary Sphere story.
Cocona: Murdered her own family due to outbreak.
Sakia Lumei: Made specifically as a shell for the Wills.
Finnel: Made as sacrificial body for Ar Ru.

Mir and Reon are probably the worst due to length of time and being actively experimented on and tortured.

On average though I'd say Ar Tonelico had more broken characters than Surge Concerto, since the entire premise of Reyvateils and the Cosmosphere hinges on deep personal damage.

I think Tsuchiya was really clever with the Genometrics in Ar nosurge though. By making pair dives, the attention gets focused on the relationships between the characters more than the characters individually.

>>14595954
I think it's part of the charm. There's a certain sense of release when Apocalypse and everybody's misery gets resolved by the power of friendship and understanding.
EXA_PICO is dark in the background, but bright in the foreground. It can have hundreds of years of miserable backstory, but in the game itself it will get resolved at least in one ending.
Also, how is the premise of Reyvateil "hinge on deep personal damage"? Or are you speaking about the fact all 3rd Generations die young? Because in actuality there is no rule that Reyvateil must be miserable, it would just be boring to get into a Cosmosphere of a "normal" Reyvateil so the games don't show them much. The closest we get is Aurica, and she's still tortured and psychologically wrecked.

>>14595964
>Also, how is the premise of Reyvateil "hinge on deep personal damage"?
The Cosmosphere mechanic in the game requires all of the heroines to be psychologically damaged.

>I think it's part of the charm. There's a certain sense of release when Apocalypse and everybody's misery gets resolved by the power of friendship and understanding.
I'm not sure I agree with the "everything gets resolved" part. For me, the charm is that not everything gets resolved. Sure, there's the happy ending, but so many things were lost and not recovered along the way. That bittersweetness makes it better than a fairy tale ending.

Take Surge Concerto, for example. Almost everyone is dead: all the people who died during Ra Ciela's last years, all the genom who died with the planet, the planet itself, the original scouting party including Telefunken, then all of the people and Sharl who died on the Soreil. There's Pram, Greicoff, Neptool (who went mad/evil trying to save Sarly). There's Zill, who had humanity's best wishes in mind (although crazy). Undu and Crackett, who died trying to fix their mistake which caused ALL of this shit in the first place. At the end, a small handful of scarred survivors, on their reborn planet. Yay, happy ending?

I can agree with the sense of release though, it's basically catharsis.

>>14590175
In Picard, you can add a composer field to a particular track and save it but the information is not send to MusicBrainz database. At least I couldn't find it anywhere in the web interface

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Never expected so much fan stuff existed for EXA_PICO. I'm impressed.
Apparently, some of these are some sort of bootleg versions for Cosmocrystal album.

Anyway, still searching for Concert Cherry and actual Cosmocrystal album, any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.

>>14600264
Found these :
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8707317
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8717790

媛貴 also has a twitter if you want to contact her: https://twitter.com/asylam0420

>>14600446
This is amazing, thanks. At least this is the beginning.
>if you want to contact her
Yeah, if only I knew Japanese.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14154364 - also found this one.

>>14600446
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15947752

This one is probably Makura's version on Misha's PAJA. That means we still are missing two tracks - Phantasmagoria and Singing Hill Cherry.

I'll keep looking.

>>14600478
>http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15947752
I don't know who she is but she's definitely not Makura.

>>14600492
My bad then. Still looking.

>>14600500
My exams start tomorrow, so I have to postpone my hunting for Osts.

If anyone would like to help with these two albums - please go ahead.

>>14594924
>>14595686
Sad, ordered a bunch of stuff yesterday but my proxy told me the bonus goods (calendar and CD) are already out of stock. Damn Gust, it was only up for 1 day!

>>14600559
that's weird, when I add to cart currently it do not say out of stock.

>>14600245
You have to add the information into MusicBrainz database, then Picard will automatically tag for you. You can manually tag with Picard (check the settings so that it doesn't wipe manually set tags), but it won't sync to the MusicBrainz database because that can't be done manually.

It's a little complicated adding composers, but there's a reason for it. You have to add a work, then add a relationship saying the work is composed by artist, then add a relationship saying the recording/track in the album/release is a performance of the work.

The reason it's like this is you have the following situation

Work "EXEC_HARMONIOUS" (composed by Tsuchiya) --> Recording (sung by Shikata) (in album Red)
\--> Recording (sung by Noriko) (in album Blue)

(names for example purposes only)

>>14607147
Alright, I'll start filling in the already present albums then.

>>14595954
yeah, in the exapico universe probaly would have been more accurate, sorry

>>14600693
Huh, you're right, got an email from the forwarder saying they asked about the extras again and were told they'll be shipping with the order. Hurray!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-frYsJ7-FTo

I'm not sure, but searching through kanji hymn names from Cherry album I found this.

Looks like Singing Hills -EXEC_CHERRY'S-.

>>14609798
Although, I'm very sure that this is definitely Phantasmagoria.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8718033

>>14609798
>>14609814

Nevermind, both are wrong. Looks like only two tracks could be salvaged. Better than nothing, I guess.

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Heads up Euro bro's.

Videogame plus has the Atelier Escha & Logy Plus LE available for pre-order now.

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http://store.nisamerica.com/nights-of-azure-limited-edition

>>14612385
At $99.99, though. I'm not sure I'm dedicated enough for that. At least that cancels the reintroduction of shipping charges.

>>14612385

$100 for nothing particularly special or unique.. for a completely new game series no less. It's almost like they don't want money or interest in the product.

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>>14612385
I'm going to have to say that it isn't worth it guys, unless you ewnjoy wasting money then either skip it or get the normal version.

>>14617924
Imagine if Qoga had this level of gameplay.

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There's a freshly translated Tilia doujin on Sadpanda for those who care.

>>14618075
Is it lewd?

>>14618075
Was it not translated before? Six years for a translation.

That reminds me, the Gust Christmas cards had stuff all the way back from A1, but no AT. You can feel the lack of love.

>>14618275
Even side works like Hermina & Culus, >>14568865
and Atelier Annie.
>>14604740

Maybe a rights issue? I think Banpresto (currently part of Namco Bandai) had some rights over Ar Tonelico.

>>14618190

Yes.

>>14618275

No idea, it was submitted yesterday though.

>>14618330
Banpresto published it, yes.
If they have any rights which would prevent Gust from putting images of Ar Tonelico on their site it would be very bad news.

I'd hope Gust (or at least Nagi) have rights to the character art.
The reason for no cards is probably very mundane though.

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>>14619209
Not sure if thats it either since you visit the first tower and meet 2 characters from AT in Ar nosurge.

>>14618075
So did Aoto and Tiria just fucking off for a while end the world? Because it seemed pretty important that they get over with healing the planet sooner rather than later.

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>>14621215

If I recall correctly they only planned on leaving for a year to possibly attempt to fix Tilia's life span. I can't remember if the time limit of healing the planet was that strict or not but a year isn't all that long all things considered. And if the world does in fact end during the normal route then at least Aoto managed to hold hands with best girl.

>>14621735
I don't think healing the planet was that urgent. The planet was dying, but it's not going to die within Aoto's lifetime.

Sort of like global warming/environmental destruction really. We're fucking up our planet royally, but something as big as a planet isn't something that dies within a lifespan. All of the side effects (heat, rising water level, polluted air, death of ecosystems) will kill our race long before the planet dies.

Same as Ar Ciel actually. The Sea of Death, the lack of habitable land, the Antibodies, and the in-fighting among the remaining population would have killed everyone before the planet (the Heart of the Land) would have been considered dead dead.

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So I changed my terminal font to the Keihan font for shits and giggles.

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>>14624933
Wrong pic. That's not Keihan. But yeah... you get the idea; I was fucking around.

>>14624936
I use sol-* as my hostname usually.

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>>14624936
>shurelia@AR-TONELICO
I guess it's natural to name your computer like that.

Speaking of which, I feel like Tsuchiya has some UNIX hacker spirit in him too. The language in Ar Tonelico is Shell, no points for guessing what that's a reference to. The Ciel in Ar Ciel is also pronounced "shell". ciel = shell = world.

REON-4213, obviously inspired by programming languages. chmod b111000000/n is a pretty clear UNIX reference. Maybe Ar Tonelico is running a variant of UNIX? There's also the function defining syntax in the NPT dialect of Hymmnos.

The real clincher however is the scene in Ciel where Shirotaka is talking about G2 trons and Cielnotrons. The G2 trons are hard to use, you have to program them by hand, but they do exactly what you want them to do. The Cielnotrons are easy to use and write song magic programs for you, but Shirotaka and Ion agree that they can't match your feelings faithfully.

There's no way a non-programmer/UNIX user came up with that. The difference between clicking around ugly GUI versus writing a program or script that does exactly what you want it to do when you hit Enter, it's unforgettable.

I wonder if it's the fate of all long-running general threads to be frequented only by turbo autists after a while. I don't even want to post in the AT thread anymore, since I'm afraid of being responded to by one of you nerds.

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>>14624959
This might be related

>>14624991
Whatever, nerd.

>>14625017
Her dream is to restart?

>>14625056
It seem so.
Also Raki's dream is to power-off.

>>14624959
That's only the surface. The whole Towers' structure and way of working is so blatantly inspired by CompSci, it's not even funny. Like, hell, the entire explanation of Song Servers and in what way does Infel Phira Song Server differ from Ar Tonelico Song Server really resembles RISC vs CISC, or maybe ARM vs x86, depending on how wide you want to make it.
That's probably one of the reasons I like AT so much too. I'm a computer nerd, and it's just pure joy for me seeing all these references. Also, I think it fits in the background of the world anyway and gives more depth to it, Computer Science is structured the way it is for a reason, it only makes sense that somebody in another universe solved these problems in similar way when it came time to solve them.

So how the fuck am i supposed to get to Steinfeder in Atelier Ayesha? I have the baloon, and the place is on my map but no fucking path to it.

>>14627179
Stand outside of Hornheim and then go straight north? You will have to fight a series of island hopping battles to unlock the route.

>>14627179
Clear all the floating islands to unlock it.

>>14625218
Hurry up and make my singing waifus.

I'm playing the retranslation beta of AT2 now. Should I go with the backstabbing whore or the self-deprecating bitch route? Back in the days, I think I picked Luca and ditched her as soon as I could for the third route, but I don't remember the previous parts too well.

I pretty much hate both of them equally, though I'm leaning slightly toward Cloche.

>>14629713
Nevermind, guess I'll go with Cloche. I'd rather have a bitch than a backstabber behind me when going into battles.

>>14629713
Doesn't matter, Jacqli best girl, ClochexLuca OTP.

Here's an idea: how about choosing based on what you believe? Do you side with the Neo Grand Bell or the Sacred Army?

>>14629732

Neither. Shurelia should have just slept forever and let the whole damn tower fall.

I never understood why they didn't classify the power relayed to Metafalss as vital infrastructure, like the Plasma Bell and the Musical Corridor, and made it immune to the shutdown. If I were Frelia, I would have insisted on that.

{{ I don't think the games said one way or another, but people who state that they didn't sound so certain that I assume it was in the auxiliary material. }}

>>14630013
I think it's really easy to get immersed in the details and forget to take a look at the bigger picture. It's also a matter of having competent people and the Towers were a huge undertaking so a mistake like that is not really suprising.

>>14591863
Rebirth 2 had a fan retranslation on steam.

>>14612385
Still nothing for EU.

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http://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201601180001/

I hope this isn't the premium box art.

>>14630013
Keep in mind that the Second Tower is unfinished and Ar Tonelico is heavily damaged, and during the construction of both towers, the world was still safe to live on.

The Wings of Horus were already functional and inhabited before the Seven Bloodstains Incident, so it makes sense to classify it as "vital infrastructure".

However, the Metafalss in AT2 isn't actually meant to be inhabitable land, it's just a part of the unfinished Second Tower. Of course it wouldn't be classified as vital infrastructure, and after the Grathnode Inferia which caused the Metafalssians to evacuate to the tower, they no longer had the technology to make such modifications, or even understanding of why the towers existed in the first place.

>>14631772
The fact Logy isn't redegisned is either Gust's ways of fucking with the fangirls, or just Hidari's laziness.

>>14633321
It's Gust's laziness so they don't have to make a new model.
I hope the one they're using for Ayesha in the screenshots isn't final. The quality is terrible compared to the others.

>>14629713
I picked the neither route on ht first round by accident. It was boring.

Then I picked the backstabber. Watching her break down and reform was so satisfying though.

>>14633321
Logy did get a cameo in Sophie though.

Escha & Logy + is up on NA PSN now.

>>14641165
My copy of the physical version just arrived in the mail from NISA. Nice box, tiny booklet, poster I haven't unfolded yet, a CD of selections from the soundtrack, and, of course, the game itself.

Mostly, I was trying to add to my collection of the selected soundtrack CDs. They make nice background music.

Do games ever drop below around $20? That's the price I see right now for AT3 and want to save as many shekels as possible.

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>>14642291
I honestly dont care about any of the tat in the LE and only bought it to have a physical copy of the game.
And if the Ar nosurge Plus LE is anything to go by the poster will be ruined by the folds. Pic related. I framed it and it still looks like that.

Seriously would it kill these company's to offer to send those posters in a tube for a a little extra cost? Ghostlight did this for the Fate/Extra posters and it was glorious.

Funny that the day i finished Ayesha, Escha & Logy shipped. And holy shit why is Regina's ending so terrible. Trying to be a housewife totally does not suit her.

>>14643129
If you are willing to play a used Japanese version, there are a few copies up on Ebay for less than that (including free shipping).

>>14644044

If I recall correctly they made the Totori LE poster out of some nice material that didn't have creases for me, which was nice. Why wouldnt they use that again? That poster really looks disappointing otherwise.

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Goddammit so it is the cover. I don't want goddamn Logy and that slut Escha on the cover. This is the game for the Shallies.

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>>14646762
Even the regular version is the same. What the fuck, Gust? This better just be a placeholder or something.

>>14646762
Please don't be mean to Logy and Escha.

>>14646812
I hate how Gust always tries to push these two. Even in Shallies Plus version game they get a spot on the cover and I'm sure that fag Logy will have a lot of new scenes as well. For some reason they got an anime too for no good reason.

>>14646762
Isn't Shallie+ supposed to be the conclusion for the Dusk series? Makes sense to have all of the protags there.

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>>14646941
Yeah but it still annoys me. It wouldn't be as bad if they at least weren't lazy and had different illustrations for the premium and regular box art. One of them should've had just the Shallies on it. Preferably the premium box.

>>14621893

Unfortunately you're wrong. The Wills of the Planet said explicitly that Ar Ciel will die a year after AT3's events if the planet regeneration isn't carried out.

>>14649555
That sounds about right. I don't remember any specifics but I did remember that

"Don't worry, the gradual deterioration of every tower doesn't actually matter because the planet itself will be dead long before the towers fall"

I just bought a new PC. The case is white.

Should I name it REON or Shurelia?

Inb4 "LOL why are you naming your PC nerd?" Because I have to as part of the OS setup, asshole.

>>14651194
>naming the server as an administrator
Are you sure you know what you're doing?

>>14624959
>>14624936
These anons have the right idea: name your server after a server, name your user after a user

shurelia@artonelico
frelia@solmarta
tyria@harvestasha
reon@cielnotron
reon@neptron
ion@neptron (bad end)

>>14651658
I don't wanna break my theming though. My netbook's called Tyria, and my current rig is called Jacqli, and my wifi is Ar tonelico, so it makes sense to keep the theme.

But then again those were named before Ciel was even announced and I kinda wanna do something Surge Concerto related this time

>>14651678
>My netbook's called Tyria, and my current rig is called Jacqli, and my wifi is Ar tonelico
>turn off Wifi
>computer melts
Oh god. When you think about it, being a Reyvateil kind of sucks.

>>14651703
Wasn't it half the point of the games.

>>14651194
I would have done what >>14651658 said but if you don't want to break your theming then follow your heart.

>>14651703
That's.... accurate actually.

>>14583409
Got anymore of those wallpapers?

Gust will announce a new Tsuchiya game soon, right?

Once they're done with Shallie Plus they'll have to announce something new, nothing left to port.

>>14656139
>Atelier Sophie Plus
>Atelier Totori Plus Plus
It's all KT knows how to do.

>>14656139
>Once they're done with Shallie Plus they'll have to announce something new, nothing left to port.

They could port GUST's titles to PC.

>>14656984
What jap companies actually port jap version to PC? Isn't it normally just the localisation companies doing so?

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>>14656987
Its often a 3rd party who handles porting itself. I have no idea if TK handles the PC ports in house or hires an external party.

But if their gonna port Gusts titles to PC they'd be an idiot not to port the ones that are already localised.

>>14657073
If they ported Ciel to PC, even in Japanese, I would laugh in joy.
If they officially ported Ciel to Linux, I would probably die of laughter.
Both of those are just as likely as the other one, though. And for full package you would need Ar on the same platform anyway, with the possibility to transfer.

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>>14657172
What is wrong with playing it on the Vita? It makes use of the touch screen, wouldn't work as well on the PC.

>>14657184
Just the fact that I don't have Vita or the money for it, really.
I have only PS3 and a good PC.

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>>14657172
A port of Ar nosurge is more likely.
Which i would certainly welcome as well.

>>14657184
Mouse input can easily replicate touch input. The only downside is thats its less immersive.

>>14657184
PC is also much easier to hack or pirate so even if they release a game untranslated it would be easier to mod in a translation.

>>14657184
Translation patch, 'nuff said.

Also mods I guess because you know they'd just use the original PSV models so someone would have to mod in high-res ones

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>>14657750
Oh hey, someone actually finally drew that!

With emulated PS2 games coming to PS4, I wonder if we'll get AT1 & 2 released that way...

>>14661094
Would be nice if you could just put the AT1 disc into the PS4.

>>14661116
Unfortunately it's not that easy. These games have to pass Sony's modern certification process, and have trophies tied in and such, and that means messing with the code.

Needless to say we wouldn't be getting AT2 on PS4 if it still had the Raki crash in it.

I get the feeling we won't get them, but hopefully Sony saying they want ALL PS2 games on PS4 hopefully gives KT or whoever owns the rights to AT these days a kick in the pants.

>>14657750
Man, the things I wouldn't do to Kanon if Ion was OK with it

>>14661133
There's also the question of whether anyone still has the source code, or even a master copy of AT1/2 anymore.

I've heard stories about old games getting their source code misplaced. I wouldn't be surprised if no one has it anymore, although knowing Tsuchiya, he might just have a personal copy stored somewhere.

>>14661133
Isn't it own by Gust and Banpresto?

>>14661197
Oh please, given how Ion acts towards Kanon she'd probably want to join in

>>14657073
Atelier Sarly would make a good game.

>>14663016
Atelier Nosurge when?

>>14664070
EXA_PICO people could techinally travel to the Atelier universe.

is it bad that I like EXEC_CUTYPUMP/.?

>>14664070
Surely it would be called Atelier Ionasal?

>>14661488
That's where the big complication comes in, since Gust is owned by KT now, who's responsible for publishing it?

>>14665297
Hell no!

>>14665297
Yes. It means you like men

>>14665311
Nah like >>14663016 said, it would be Atelier Sarly. Sarly's the one who's still in magic world.

It would be like other Ateliers except with tubes and circuitboards

>>14665353
I thought the entire point of the "True" ending was to establish a sequel hook to let Ion go back to Ra Ciela

>>14665362
But the true ending actually sends her back home.

Yeah they do a "maybe she'll be back" thing but the non-true ending already had her back in the world we actually care about

>>14665370
The 'good' ending does leave Ion on Ra Ciela, but it cuts her Oversight and as such our connection to her. She's there but we'd never be able to contact her again.

The 'true' ending does have her go home, but leaves open her connection to Ra Ciela still, so if she does get dragged back (or go back of her own free will, Shirotaka's genometrics show her life on her Earth was pretty shitty), we'll be able to contact her again and get back behind the controls of Earthes.

>>14665297
I like how manly and ridiculous it is

>LOVE & PEACE GRAAAHH

>>14665402
What you're saying doesn't make sense to me.

Ion doesn't have a connection to Ra Ciela. Ion has a connection to her Earth.

In the normal end, she cuts her connection to her Earth, thus losing Oversight and any possibility of returning to her Earth. There's no physical connection between you and Ion, except fate, as in you are fated to be the one who connects to Earthes.

In the true end, she returns to her Earth using her connection, but since she doesn't have a connection with Ra Ciela, she can't return.

Of course that's not exactly true since she has a connection with Ra Ciela called fate, just like she has a connection with you called fate, which is why she was able to contact you after returning. But in EXA_PICO terms she doesn't have some kind of connection that allows her to return, she can only rely on her technology coupled with random chance ("fate") if she wanted to return.

In programming terms, Ion has a pointer to her own dimension. She got pulled to Ra Ciela, but she never got a pointer to Ra Ciela. In fact, she doesn't even belong there, the universe is trying to eject her. So saying she has a connection open to Ra Ciela doesn't make sense.

>>14665485
>Fate

Bull fucking shit.

>>14665500
I'm guessing that's why Tsuchiya specifically made the Ciel to Ar cutover the way he did.

It could have been "Okay I'll just transfer you over to this robot now" but instead Ion is sad about how there's a 99.99% chance that once she turns off the terminal the person who controls the robot will be someone else.

The <0.01% chance that you connected to Ion in Ciel and the <0.01% chance that you connected to her again in Ar is "fate", for lack of a better word.

>>14665485
Yeah, no. She says the machine she's using to send you that post-game message is tied to Ra Ciela and she's slightly afraid she might get sucked back there if she sends you the message, but that wouldn't be such a bad thing because she'd get to see you again.

>>14665517
Just relistened to it now, that's not what she says.

She says:

I tried modifying the Genelogic machine that I just made to send a message to you. The machine doesn't have enough energy left to go back, after all. But thinking about it now (from 6th dimension theory), what if using it sends me back to Ra Ciela? That's scary now that I think about it... But if that means I can meet you again, maybe it's not so bad...

>>14665362
They could always pull a Shadow Hearts and make the bad ending the canon one.

If they ever make a AT1 remake and its based off the fact that the Shurelia ending was the true one that would be hilarious.

>>14667035
I can see that happening actually.

>Delta stays
>Ra Ciela is fucked
>After AT3, the AT cast team up to go save Ra Ciela
>The entire AT cast meets the entire Surge Concerto cast
>You're invited

>>14667249
There would be nothing to save between AT3 being 700 years later and the Surge Concert cast being dead or absorbed into the Maternal Overseer. There would be no Ra Ciela either because Ion never finished singing Ra Ciel Reincarnation.

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>>14667035
>Gust Shadow Hearts

feels sorta like noru no nai kuni to be honest. i like arnice's monster forms

gust doing more heavily inspired horror-themed stuff would make me cry tears of happiness

I wonder... no one has noticed that the first Ar tonelico game was released this exact day ten years ago?
Too bad that Gust seems to have forgotten about it, between no events or anything to celebrate and the fact that the Ar Portal has been dead for over half a year already.

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Is it bad that I don't just miss Ion, but all of the AnS cast?

I just wonder how they're all doing over there. I know we got some hints from Nelo in Plus, but that was from the "you didn't save Prim" ending so things are probably different with Prim there and Ion not there.

Someone but Total Command to start writing "Letters to Earthes from New Ra Ciela" or something.

>>14671695
Well even with Prim to look after, Cass and Delta probably still wouldn't get married until Nay yelled at them about it.

>>14669749
Didn't they said Kurt Hymneth was the last AT thing they have for us?

>>14669749
AT and everything related is Gusts red headed stepchild.

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Reminder the Escha & Lodgy+ costume DLC is free untill 22 februari.

Even if you dont have the game just grab it now so you can download and install it when you buy the game later.

>>14671717
They never said anything like that.

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I want to marry Cass.

>>14674925
I liked her a lot more than I thought I would. More than Ion at least

Did KT say anything about an English Vita release of yoru no nai kuni?

>>14676410
Not happening, PS4 version only

>>14674925
>>14675134

Marked for being traitors.

>>14676410
They ran a poll to gauge interest and have yet to announce anything about the result.

>>14677319
Well, it's up for pre-order now, and there's no vita version available anywhere. It would've made more sense to release the PS3 version, and the Vita version is a huge downgrade in visual quality.

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The cutest.

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>>14674925
Arnice is the final evolution of all the Gust girls with white hair.

>Melody of Elemia opening
>Long ago, it was said that [Songs] carried unusual powers.
>People believed that [Songs] were the hands of mother nature that enveloped the world, and they continued to sing without pause.
>But now, things have changed. In this world everyone has forgotten how to sing...
>As if they were ancient words that had been lost forever.
No, they freaking didn't.
Everybody sings in this series, all the time, and songs are metaphors for everything, up to and including sex.
Singing just for the sake of singing isn't uncommon either. And even if it were, you literally can't make a Song do things unless you put a ton of emotions into it first.
What the hell are you talking about? Was this line thought up in some early version, where Wave Science and Song Magic weren't the entire foundation of every single technological wonder in the setting?

>>14680374

I always just assumed [Songs] was referring to something special and different to your typical song magic.

>>14680395
You mean, like the whole subplot with Claire, where she sang for fun and didn't have a partner, and some people were really pissed by the whole concept?
To be fair, we didn't see many songs "just expressing emotions" in Ar Tonelico itself, but they weren't that rare either. It could be just talking about Sol Ciel, though. There general fear and hatred of Reyvateils definitely didn't help "singing for fun" to blossom. Who knows, maybe this pretty girl singing to you at this feast is actually casting a fireball right now on some hitman contract?
Except men, who can't be Reyvateils, but nobody but Croix sings anyway. Maybe everybody's just embarassed since they don't have the Tower for ensemble.
Yeah, maybe it does have a bit of a point if we look at it like that, but I definitely wouldn't say "typical song magic" is not special. Reyvateils literally use strong emotions to power them. You really can't make a Song that isn't special to you in some way, just because it's how it works.
And really, they still sing a lot more than in our world. How often do people sing for fun here, except for musicians, lullabies and karaoke? It also helps that not everybody is a good singer anyway, and good songwriters are even more rare. And their world literally runs on songs and sounds.

So.
Nights of Azure - Limited Edition is up on NISA Europe for preorder.
http://store.nisaeurope.com/collections/frontpage-clean/products/nights-of-azure-limited-edition?variant=15271622083
And it cost 75 fucking GBP (almost 100€), shipping cost not included.
What the fuck.
How the fuck can NISA get away with this?
Being an european GUST fan is truly suffering.

I still don't really get one thing.
What do levels of IPD mean? What does it mean to be a "Level 9" or "Level 1" IPD?
Is there some kind of power ranking for them inside Infel Phira, or something? Because I don't remember Ar Tonelico having anything like that. It just gave powers asked of it, without discrimination, except for the root account, of course.

I'm thinking of getting a console to finally get around to AT3 and AnS. Should I get a ps3 for cheap or will a ps4 play them without issue?

I don't see a PC release any time soon, after all.

>>14680572
You can only play them on a PS3. No digital release or backwards compatibility on PS4 unfortunately.

>>14680572
Get a Vita for Ciel and Ar plus.

>>14680524
The level refers to how much of their cosmosphere was lost to the virus. It also works as a guage to know how powerful they are so you know how much you need to charge the song of flaming murder to 1-shot her.

>>14680772
And what about the whole "Queen of Infel Phira must be a Lv. 9 IPD"?
I kinda doubt Infel Phira would need their Queen to have a high-level virus for the Queen Registry to function.

>>14680374
What if those lines are exactly referring to the setting of the game?

"Long ago" could mean the times of Lyner and Croix and Aoto, and this game is the narrative about them.

>>14681036
Oh.
Does it mean that somehow everything got worse after they finally fixed up the planet?
It's a depressing thought.
Also, then, Tsuchiya must have had a lot of plans for the series, considering it was the first game.

>>14680772
Wrong. The level is a representation of how much they can synchronize with Infel Phira. It has nothing to do with a "virus" or "cosmosphere lost", and the only reason it's used to determine an IPD's strength is because the higher the synchronization level, the greater the power they can draw from it.

>>14681102
Does the Tower have anything like that, or is synchronisation an Infel Phira-specific thing?
Was there ever any explanation what synchronisation is, and why it's set up that way?

>>14681036
>>14681078
It's just a metaphor for how Song Magic usage was lost to the humans and reserved only to the Reyvateils after the catastrophes that ended the First and Second Eras. Plus, these same lines are repeated in the introduction to AT3 and quoted by Cocona at the end of her Hymmnos Musical, so them being in the first game has nothing to with it.

>>14681108
Neither Ar tonelico nor Harvestasya have such a feature. And the levels are the way Infel Phira gauges if a Reyvateil can handle the songs contained in the Hymn Crsytals for it, as well as if they can handle the power necessary for them to receive the Queen Registry.
That's also why they don't have Hymn Codes: the synchronization level takes of the security functions they have in Ar tonelico and Harvestasya.
As for the synchronization level, it's no more than how efficiently they can convey their feelings to Infel Phira.

>>14681110
About the number of the game, I meant, if he was right, the fact that it was in the first game would mean that Tsuchiya already had an idea how the whole series would end AND what would happen afterwards. Which seems kinda farfetched.
Also, maybe, but it's not really because anybody stops them from using Song Magic. It's just that even the weakest Third Generation is still many times stronger than the best human Singer. Finding yourself a Reyvateil ally is literally easier than learning how to sing Song Magic. Especially since, you're right, nobody knows how to do it anymore, Tower handles most things for Reyvateils, I assume.
>>14681121
Oh. Thanks for information. Now I understand it a lot better. Now I only wonder if the fact there are 9 levels of synchronisation somehow is connected to 9 levels of Cosmosphere.

>>14681132
It's no so farfetched if you take in account he has been working on the world for the series and its stories since almost 20 years ago, so it means most of the stuff we've seen so far was already planned in advance. Also, he has always been throwing around hints for the next games in the supplementary material, like for example talking about the New Testament of Pastalie in the AT1 books before AT2 was even announced, or making Mir tell Shurelia she was leaving for somewhere in the AT1 Drama CD Side Extra.

And anyway, humans can't even sing Song Magic because they don't have a way to connect to the Tower due to the terminals they used being lost technology, leaving aside the fact that Shurelia also banned their use after Mir's Rebellion. As for the Moon Chanters, they always have been few in number, kept their beliefs and methods secret, and not even a hundred of them could compare in power to even the weakest Reyvateil.

>>14681166
Wait, terminals? I didn't know about terminals. What are terminals?
I was talking about Moon Chanters.

>>14681172
The humans used to utilize song magic by singing through special terminals before the Reyvateils were created, and they also kept using them during the Second Era. If you're familiar with the Cielnotrons from Surge Concerto, it's more or less the same idea.

>>14681219
Oh. And why did Shurelia ban their use? How were they connected to Mir?
It doesn't seem like they would be that much more dangerous than Reyvateils anyway.

>>14680453
They didnt charge 99 GBP since the NA version is $99? I Guess they at least learned something.

>>14681227
The same reason she banned Sound Science completely and made Grathmelding as a replacement: because she thought the humans couldn't be trusted with the powers the Tower gave them after these two catastrophes.

>>14681254
Oh, OK. I thought there was some particular reason for their ban too.
It's kinda questionable how can you completely ban a science, though. Also, really, she was really lucky didn't have any huge projects that required it, such as Metafalss' Metafalica and Sol Cluster's Planet Restoration. Trying to ban Sound Science wouldn't have ended so well.
In the end, her ban did absolutely nothing to stop Bourd from trying to renew the experiments either, even if he had the help of Mir. It only broke up the infrastructure between various cities and made it harder to watch for such things (thus also allowing for the rise of Bishop Falss), plus prevented contact between various Towers, which slowed down both Metafalica and Planet Restoration Projects, up until the point everybody was really lucky Mir decided to deal with it once freed.
People did stop screwing with thar stuff for a while, but it was really only good as a short-term measure.
Also, they were really lucky that Reyvateils didn't abuse their powers or get into another revolt because of discrimination. They need no permission to use the powers of the Tower.
Really, it was probably one of her dumbest decisions.
Not that there was a lack of sinister projects in the other two lands past Second Age, but you still can't really deal with stuff like that by banning a science.

>>14681245
We got the usual 100$=100€ instead.

>>14681254
But the Teru are the ones who fucked everything up by trying to aloha snackbar Ar Tonelico

>>14680374
In the past, the humans sang. The words of the Moon Chanters, Carmena Foreluna and the Kurt Ciel Note dialect of Hymmnos have indeed been lost.

In the past, humans used Song Magic by singing together as one. That unity of heart and the words themselves have long been lost by the time of AT1.

>>14681219
>The humans used to utilize song magic by singing through special terminals before the Reyvateils were created
No, they sang the songs directly (the Moon Chanters). The discovery of Songstones enabled the "automation" of singing through the derivation of Grathnode and Paramono.

>>14682343
Wrong, not all the humans did. That's precisely why the Moon Chanters were respected and became the subject of legends: because most people didn't know how their songs could bring miracles into existence. Also, the Moon Chanters were explicitly said to have lived only in Sol Ciel. And while they had a variation in Metafalss called the Song Manipulators that treated the songs with a more mathematical approach instead of the magical one employed by the Moon Chanters, they aren't the same thing.

>>14682382
I'm talking after the time the Tower was built but before the Reyvateils were created. If they didn't do that, doing anything with the Tower outside of doing manipulation in the Binary Field would have been impossible.

>>14682343
>>14682382

Also, please go read the translation for the 10th issue of the Technical Compilation Room: http://artonelico.wikia.com/wiki/ARM_Backup/Ar_Portal_translation/Ar_Ciel_Technical_Data_Compilation_Room/Issue_10

Tsuchiya explicitly says there the same exact thing I said about the terminals.

If anyone cares, the AT2 retranslation guys have uploaded an update patch that fixes a couple bugs that were even on the JP game. That also gives access to an event in Jakuri's CS that's been unavailable all this time.

>>14683182
>That also gives access to an event in Jakuri's CS that's been unavailable all this time.
Talk about a game breaking bug.

>>14683359
It's an optional event not even JP players could access though.

Exams are almost over, thank God.

I will update ATFLPP by the end of the week, including new emulator version and new BETA patch. Thanks for the news.

>>14684490
How do I unsubscribe from this blog?

>>14683182
So was it translated too?

Kinda like the World Link content in Ar noSurge that's there but we can just never get?

>>14684854
It is commonly accepted in general thread of all kind (but especially in small general like this one) that being a contributor does give you some leeway such as using a name for practical reason.
However it's something that only apply within the general itself.
Just hide post if you don't like it.

>>14685159
Yeah, it was. The translators generally go through all the texts even if they don't actually show up in the playable parts of the game.

>>14685481
I don't see any practical reasons here, only namewhore blogposting.

>>14685481
It's also a tradition that some contributors class change to namefag shortly after gaining some fame.

>>14685481
Well, the flac anon, the atelier anon, and the autist anon never namewhores. ATMC is the only one, and it's pretty obvious he's doing it for attention.

>>14686010
Considering that like half the link in the OP are from him, can you really blame him?>>14566769
>▶ ATMC Anon's iso of AT2 Beta translation (part 1-6):
>▶ ATMC Anon's 100% Saves for AT1 and 2, ready to be uploaded in emulator for Aurica\Shurelia and Cloche\Mir\Cocona paths.
>▶ Ar Tonelico For Lazy People Pack™:
>▶ EXA_PICO Music Collection

Also >>14684490
>I will update ATFLPP by the end of the week, including new emulator version and new BETA patch

He may be namefagging but he's still one of the most active member here.

>>14686008
>It's also a tradition that some contributors class change to namefag shortly after gaining some fame.
True but only on well-behaved board/general.

>>14686023
Next thread I'll reupload retranslation patch, emulator, game iso and save files from gamefaqs so I can put my name in OP and turn thread into my personal blog.

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>>14686099
Any time you're ready, Anon.
We're past the bump limit now.

>>14686099
If you actually bothered to read the thread you'd know that it literally didn't happen.
He also barely post and when he does it's related to the fan retranslation of AT2, the emulation of the games or the advancement of the musical collection.
In other word he's using a name when he should be, maybe he went overboard by saying >>14684490
>Exams are almost over, thank God.
but he still said this in the same post
>I will update ATFLPP by the end of the week, including new emulator version and new BETA patch

>>14686125
Wait for page 10.

>>14686099
updated op
>>14594924
or just post whatever you want

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nekomimi Plachta

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Sophie is a lucky girl.

>>14687819
>>14687826
so Plachta IS just alternate-universe Tyria, right?

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>>14687835
Plachta IS Plachta.

>>14687819
Jesus, is that outfit DLC? It's lewd as fuck.

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>>14687867
Yeah it's DLC.

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