At this point they should just rename Comiket to Kancolleket.
All that bribing from Kadokawa seems to have worth it.
Kancolle 2747 (+181)
Touken Ranbu 1724 (+1076)
Touhou Project 1666 (+158)
[email protected] 1325 (-139)
Haikyuu 816 (-122)
Kuroko no Basket 708 (-226)
Yowamushi Pedal 693 (-167)
Love Live 664 (+62)
Tiger and Bunny 464 (-184)
Shingeki no Kyojin 427 (-147)
Vocaloid 333 (-11)
Fate 296 (+8)
Hetalia 291 (-77)
Free! 287 (-1)
Kekkai Sensen 217
Kancolle is more mainstream than Touhou. I'm okay with this. Let them get all the normals. They are most likely secondaries anyway and the people I least want to be making doujins.
>Don't expect it to hit the news.
So what you actually mean that there's no evidence for it whatsoever, not even anonymous allegations by people who claim to have been paid for their work.
There are rumors and the circles know what's up. It's a close-knit community.
Nobody wants to be banned from visiting Comiket ever again and since most circles are always end up in debt a little side cash is always welcome.
>It was bound to happen, 2hu has been around for more than a decade. Everything will suffer the same fate.
You do realize that Touhou actually grew, right?
>Touhou Project 1666 (+158)
It has a stable fanbase that has lasted years and there's very little doubt it will remain about the same in the near future. Other series gaining momentary popularity will have little to no affect on Touhou in the long run. Whether Kancolle is still alive 10 years from now is something that remains to be seen.
You guys do realize Touhou still has shitloads more doujin works than KanColle, right? They had so much shit they got their own con.
Comparing Comiket numbers alone is very silly, most Touhou works go to Reitaisai.
I'm not a Touhoufag but it's so sad Kancolle is the most popular thing in Comiket, I really wish Touhou would've had a better successor. But well you can't expect much from shitty Japanese otaku. I think Kancolle popularity is just the reflection of the state of otaku culture.
Don't worry, one day they'll run out of boats to turn into cute girls and so they won't be able to keep their fans leashed anymore. They might still allow fangames as a last resort before the ship sinks, but even so the series won't have much life left by that point.
So is kancolle the bigger now or not?
I heard that DMM doesn't allow fangames, while ZUN does allow all sorts of fanwork, from manga to music to games. Aren't most of the kancolle derivative works just manga and h-manga
This is the same thing as last year, it's not the actual amount but an estimation. It will be like last year and the actual numbers are much closer together. How can you guys fall for this again?
I need to brush up on history.
I wonder if Zun will ever rerelease them as a bundle. Are they even good? I never played anything before EoSD.
>ZUN does allow all sorts of fanwork, from manga to music to games.
Thats one thing I love about this man. He makes games he enjoys becuase he likes them, no pretentious story to tell or chasing shekels. He isnt forcing you to accept shitty DRM, he has no problem with fan content and he takes the time to talk to fans (even if 9 times out of 10 the interviews consist of the same questions he already answered).
He's pretty much the opposite of the modern game dev.
Not that it matters to me, but I'm pretty sure these numbers are based off of the comiket catalog. You do know all circles have to register beforehand right? The comiket staff should know how many circles for each series is in the event.
Reitaisai 2015 has over 5000 circles attending.
ShitColle fans should pipe down.
I like to think of ZUN as the Japanese Tarn Adams, except instead of being a massive autist with a fucking doctorate in mathematics from Stanford, he's a massive alcoholic with his own damn brewery.
That'll do squid, that'll do
Looks like it's based on circle registration information as of August. The original source is here, they explain where they got the numbers: http://ascii.jp/elem/000/001/094/1094861/
If you look at the changes in the numbers it looks like Tokuen Ranbu's just cannibalizing all the other fujo properties. Maybe if [email protected], Kancolle and Touhou split more evenly and it eats up even more of the competition next year it has a shot at the top, but I'm not seeing it.
I've heard this repeated probably a thousand times in the last two and a half years and have yet to see even plausible circumstantial evidence that doesn't boil down to "this is more popular than I think it should be."
See >>14543354. Last year I think they had about 6000SP offered between the conventions, but I think this year is looking to have fewer conventions/participants. For comparison, Reitaisai is 5000, Kourumu pulls 2000, and there are handful of annual regional conventions like Daikyuushuu that seem to pull a little over 100 circles each (though Daishuu is larger and has ~500).
did someone really remove all the unicode from 4chan
what is this garbage
>I need to brush up on history.
Basically the Japanese empire equivalent of the Third Reich and a plan for domination over Asia.
You seriously think most touhou games are masterpieces to brag about...? It has some interesting gameplay and lore, although the gameplay is little more than recycled goods, and the art is absolute ass and that's about as far as it goes. Kancolle isn't a great game, but the simple. mobile-like gameplay is what people favor these days as sad as it is, the art is actually good and the overall idea of boat girls while remaining mostly historically accurate is appealing. You can call them skanks and fanservice but to be honest sex sells, and most of you losers come here to see fanon/roleplay threads and porn doujinshi of Touhou anyways. Liking something and being a blind, braindead fanboy are two different things.
Hourai Gekisen Yoi is not that big. That 6000SP event you mentioned only had about 1000 actual circles participating (https://sdf-event.sakura.ne.jp/mform/cutfile/c_list_hy14.php) and that is an exception since the smaller events bring in far less people. HGY is bymonthly. They usually have a 50SP, 400SP, and two 1000SP events a year. Since the location of the event changes every time so does space availability. That doesn't necessarily mean they actually fill all those spots. HGY10 had 30 circles, HGY11 had 100, and HGY13 had 40 circles for example. The 1000SP events are also shared with three other fairs as shown here http://www.sdf-event.jp/mnk/MAP.png that is an image from the event taking place next month.
I think normalfags expect games, such as Call of Duty and Mario Kart, to actually have gameplay.
I meant 6000SP between all conventions in the year. I think the recent ones have been bimonthly but it used to be more frequent than that, it's been almost two years since 6th Battle and 23rd is coming up.
It's kind of hard for me to find records because the past events seem to get taken off the page and the organization of everything is total garbage.
>The 1000SP events are also shared with three other fairs as shown here http://www.sdf-event.jp/mnk/MAP.png that is an image from the event taking place next month.
I'm pretty sure when they mark 1000SP it's for their own convention only.
I didn't realize they still had a bimonthly convention going. Meguca strong.
>I'm pretty sure when they mark 1000SP it's for their own convention only.
No. Even the official website of Hourai Gekisen says the venue is jointly shared with those other fairs.
Never said 2hu was a masterpiece. Just that it didnt need to sell itself on fanservice because it actually has other merits, fun gmaeplay, great music, character deigns while shittily draw, are iconic and Zun having a great relationship with fans, allowing a bunh of additional content to be built around the games and enriching the community.
I personally like the cute stuff that comes from it, the porn produced rarely does anything for me. Like most Japanese porn I just find it terrible from the scenarios to the dialouge. "Stop if you touch me there I'm gonna" Fuck you porn writers, thats the entire point of touching a chicks genitals, and no hitting someones cervex would not feel good.
Seriously though, the porn and fanservic ein touhou is secondary. In shipsluts, it's the foundation. That alone speaks volumes about product quality.
Boatfags are getting desperate.
From all those thousands of circles you throw around none of them creates anything interesting or new. All you need to do is to look at C89.
The circles are getting desperate and try to offload their stock while there are still a few fools around buying boat goods.
Cunt caller has been the sick man of otaku culture for years. Don't blame 2hu for being the last straw which broke the camel's back.
if you're going to keep the thread alive at least make an effort to respond to things people have said rather than restarting the conversation and throwing memes at each other
it takes like one a day how hard can it be
Unfortunately, even if Touhou did have a larger number of circles than it does for C89, it doesn't mean shit for us if the uploaders don't scan anything Touhou related and keep going for Kancolle/Granblue doujins. Look at the number of C89 doujins uploaded on exhentai.
kancolle doesn't need as much fandom support as touhou because it has season/holiday updates and is still beating it in comiket. Holy shit. By the way swordboys is the real touhou successor so get bitter at them instead
>people are fighting over touhou vs kancolle again
I don't care for the popularity of touhou at all. ZUN has said that he will be making games even if people stopped caring. In 20 years, I will be playing touhou even if I was the only one.
While pic related guarantees that I will not touch kancolle ever.
>When your game literally rots by time
>By the way swordboys is the real touhou successor
>ZUN has said that he will be making games even if people stopped caring. In 20 years, I will be playing touhou even if I was the only one.
Not everyone is okay with eating the same shit for decades. Normal people get bored eventually.
You are like the manchildren who forever stuck with Dragon Ball, Superman or Barbie. ZUN will lose his interest if only a handful of obsessed weebz will play his games and give him a bad name. He will try to start a new project with new characters given he still cares after all those years.
This is old right? Where is Granblue?
Also for Touhoufags, i don't know why you care. Touhou was lowering numbers even before Kancolle became a thing. In fact KanColle grew that much because of people getting bored of Touhou, no because of Kancolle being that good.
It's from this Comiket. Most people seem to have put their Granblue stuff under the general pornography section (see the ascii link from earlier).
>In fact KanColle grew that much because of people getting bored of Touhou, no because of Kancolle being that good.
It's probably because the replacement is such garbage. It doesn't even have a plot.
Obviously each game has its own separate story (featuring stellar plots such as "somebody is trying to feed spring to a tree" and "my knives are making me evil") but there's also an overarching setting: Gensokyo is a mythical place where forgotten myths to live out their days, and the old strife between human and youkai is played out in incidents.
For starters, Kantai Collection lacks any sort of real setting. It doesn't even have a single canon. All we know is that there are ship girls, and there are abyssal ships, and they fight. Where did they come from? What caused any of this? Well, at the end of the day none of it really matters since what the setting is mostly about is watching cute girl warships play around and sometimes fight, in a great big play-acting parody of war. Hard to take any of the characters seriously like that.
Obviously each event has its own separate story (featuring stellar plots such as "Ironbottom Sound" and "Operation AL/MI") but there's also an overarching setting: The seas of Kancolle are a mythical place where forgotten myths to live out their days, and the old strife between human, shipgirl and abyssal is played out in incidents.
For starters,Touhou lacks any sort of real setting. It doesn't even have a single canon. All we know is that there are youkai, and there are miko, and they fight. Where did they come from? What caused any of this? Well, at the end of the day none of it really matters since what the setting is mostly about is watching cute girls in silly hats play around and sometimes fight, in a great big play-acting parody of tea parties. Hard to take any of the characters seriously like that.
>Obviously each event has its own separate story
In the sense that a mission briefing is a story.
>mythical place where forgotten myths to live out their days
The seas are clearly not "mythical" in the context of the fictional universe. And the warships of WWII are neither forgotten nor mythical.
>and the old strife between human, shipgirl and abyssal is played out in incidents.
It's never established that there's any sort of "old strife" at all because no setting is ever given.
I'm just going to stop there because I'm pretty sure this is a hamfisted parody intended more to keep the thread alive than actually prove any sort of point.
Even Pageratta deleted his Touhou works despite have never make KanColle stuff.
I don't mind artists grow out of Touhou, but if this is also part of Kadokawa's scheme, well that's fucked up.
I believe he stopped drawing Touhou even before KanColle came.
So, what do the Japanese say about all of this?
I would be happy to translate citations, but until I get a single source out of the country which operates Comiket, that gives evidence towards Kadokawa doing anything other than, encouraging people to make doujinshi, I'm just going to write this off as trolling.
>>ZUN has wife and kid(s). He is an example of normal.
While I am not arguing that ZUN is not normal, that is a pretty fucking shitty qualifier for normality.
One can have the most conformist mindset in the world and still be a pariah because one has absolutely no ability to socialize. Its just that, since its hard to maintain conformity without constant outside reinforcement, one will end up going down the path of least resistance and get absorbed in something else to try and fill the hole of social experience.
While I would guess that being independent of others would be conducive to making you think independently, /r9k/ is evidence enough that people will attempt to pursue or scorn conformity through social acceptance if they cannot achieve it, rather than ignore it.
I can see Pageratta doing that if dumb fans were constantly pestering him for more 2hu stuff when he's obviously interested on creating original works for now. In Japan an artist with Pageratta's humor sense can honestly hope to make it big with an original gag manga.
Then i chalange those Japs to go deeper and unveil the secrets.
Of course they can't. They're Japanese. They're either too much of a pussy to do it or they seem to value stability first rather than hard, harsh truth. Which is why the people are still sheep by the govie and the mega corps.
Everybody knows that Touken Ranbu is; stop living under a rock.
Touhou's main audience are ugly fat basement dwelling neckbeards who are too casual to watch anime; Touken Ranbu can't "dunk" that unless said lowlifes are gays.