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At this point they should just rename Comiket to Kancolleket.

All that bribing from Kadokawa seems to have worth it.
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>>14541289
>bribing from Kadokawa
[citation needed]
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Kancolle 2747 (+181)
Touken Ranbu 1724 (+1076)
Touhou Project 1666 (+158)
[email protected] 1325 (-139)
Haikyuu 816 (-122)
Kuroko no Basket 708 (-226)
Yowamushi Pedal 693 (-167)
Love Live 664 (+62)
Tiger and Bunny 464 (-184)
Shingeki no Kyojin 427 (-147)
Vocaloid 333 (-11)
Fate 296 (+8)
Hetalia 291 (-77)
Free! 287 (-1)
Kekkai Sensen 217
Splatoon 50
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>>14541315
Don't expect it to hit the news.
They know how to play the game.
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>>14541340
Kancolle is more mainstream than Touhou. I'm okay with this. Let them get all the normals. They are most likely secondaries anyway and the people I least want to be making doujins.
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>Touhou Project 1666 (+158)

B T F O

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F

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>>14541356
>Don't expect it to hit the news.
So what you actually mean that there's no evidence for it whatsoever, not even anonymous allegations by people who claim to have been paid for their work.
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>>14541406
There are rumors and the circles know what's up. It's a close-knit community.
Nobody wants to be banned from visiting Comiket ever again and since most circles are always end up in debt a little side cash is always welcome.
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It was bound to happen, 2hu has been around for more than a decade. Everything will suffer the same fate.


>Splatoon
My penis is ready
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>>14541340
I dont get how Skancolle keeps growing. SHit game, with shallow faservice and no redeeming qualities outside of fap material.
Even then, the touhou fanworks shit all over it.
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>>14541443
>It was bound to happen, 2hu has been around for more than a decade. Everything will suffer the same fate.
You do realize that Touhou actually grew, right?

>Touhou Project 1666 (+158)

It has a stable fanbase that has lasted years and there's very little doubt it will remain about the same in the near future. Other series gaining momentary popularity will have little to no affect on Touhou in the long run. Whether Kancolle is still alive 10 years from now is something that remains to be seen.
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>>14541441
>There are rumors
There are rumors of lots of things.

>and the circles know what's up.
[citation needed]
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>>14541445
>outside of fap material
there you go

>>14541482
It's quite clear that Touhou is slowly becoming the thinking man's fandom in nipland and elsewhere.
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>Touken Ranbu
How come I have never heard of this before?
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>>14541541
Because it's gay and also a dmm game.
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god you touhou idiots are paranoid as fuck. Are you going to do the same with granblue when more artists start playing a drawing shit from that too? It's not a competition
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>>14541554
Granblue has been out for two years. There's barely any art of it.
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>>14541340
>>14541395
>>14541364

You guys do realize Touhou still has shitloads more doujin works than KanColle, right? They had so much shit they got their own con.

Comparing Comiket numbers alone is very silly, most Touhou works go to Reitaisai.
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>>14541364
Every normal and his mom loves the heck out of Touhou.
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>>14541619
You do realize that Touhou is 20 years old and had to build that fame in more than 5 years. Hype or not, KanColle did that in way less time and of course will last less.
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>>14542029
5 years when the internet was barely getting started to become the massive medium that is today or a few years before
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>>14542029
The PC-98 was deprecated as a system when the first five Touhou games came out.
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>>14542034
In the present you have more tecnology and internet is a daily thing, but Touhou is reclining, do you mean that the internet killed Touhou.
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>>14541541
It's a shit card game written by a literal historical revisionist who defended the GEACS, that's all you need to know.
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I'm not a Touhoufag but it's so sad Kancolle is the most popular thing in Comiket, I really wish Touhou would've had a better successor. But well you can't expect much from shitty Japanese otaku. I think Kancolle popularity is just the reflection of the state of otaku culture.
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>>14542707
Corporate culture.
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>>14541340
That's an estimation, where are you getting the data
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>>14542707
why does it even matter
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>>14541289
So if I read this correctly, you want Comiket to be their Reitaisai?
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>>14543188
Obviously you can't read because he didn't mention nor even imply Touhou.
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>>14543206
I mean their own equivalent of Reitaisai, not Reitaisai itself.
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Don't worry, one day they'll run out of boats to turn into cute girls and so they won't be able to keep their fans leashed anymore. They might still allow fangames as a last resort before the ship sinks, but even so the series won't have much life left by that point.
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>>14543225
At the pace they're going they'll run out in a century.
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>>14543225
>>14543249
When they run out of boats they can make up their own boats. Why let this big money maker die on account of a petty little issue like running out of boats.
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>>14543225
>>14543270
>boats
They're 艦 not 艇
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How was Comiket before 2hu took off?
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>>14543291
It was nothing but fujoshi stuff.
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So is kancolle the bigger now or not?
I heard that DMM doesn't allow fangames, while ZUN does allow all sorts of fanwork, from manga to music to games. Aren't most of the kancolle derivative works just manga and h-manga
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>>14543311
Plus, music arranges.
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>>14541340
This is the same thing as last year, it's not the actual amount but an estimation. It will be like last year and the actual numbers are much closer together. How can you guys fall for this again?
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>>14542702
>the GEACS
I need to brush up on history.
Whats this?

>>14542104
I wonder if Zun will ever rerelease them as a bundle. Are they even good? I never played anything before EoSD.
>>14543311
>ZUN does allow all sorts of fanwork, from manga to music to games.
Thats one thing I love about this man. He makes games he enjoys becuase he likes them, no pretentious story to tell or chasing shekels. He isnt forcing you to accept shitty DRM, he has no problem with fan content and he takes the time to talk to fans (even if 9 times out of 10 the interviews consist of the same questions he already answered).
He's pretty much the opposite of the modern game dev.
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>>14543339
Not that it matters to me, but I'm pretty sure these numbers are based off of the comiket catalog. You do know all circles have to register beforehand right? The comiket staff should know how many circles for each series is in the event.
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>>14543210
They have 'Hourai Gekisen Yo-i'. But dunno how big it is.
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>>14543343
Please keep your babydick being jaded in /v/, thanks.
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Reitaisai 2015 has over 5000 circles attending.

ShitColle fans should pipe down.
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>>14543343
I like to think of ZUN as the Japanese Tarn Adams, except instead of being a massive autist with a fucking doctorate in mathematics from Stanford, he's a massive alcoholic with his own damn brewery.
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Touken Ranbu will take over Kancolle soon.
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>>14541340
>Splatoon 50

That'll do squid, that'll do
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>>14541445
Its not popular
They just pay artists to draw lots of "fan" art to make it look like it is
There are no kancolle fanbooks because the people drawing them aren't fans
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>>14543899
I'm pretty sure ZUN had a lower university degree. CS or CE I think.
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>>14543913
I actually prefer Kancolle over that shit.
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Which ship do you think ZUN likes the most?
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>splatoon still has only a single lan event
Im quoting myself
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Doesn't Kancolle have any Reitaisai equivalent?
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>>14543339
>>14543346
Looks like it's based on circle registration information as of August. The original source is here, they explain where they got the numbers: http://ascii.jp/elem/000/001/094/1094861/

>>14543913
If you look at the changes in the numbers it looks like Tokuen Ranbu's just cannibalizing all the other fujo properties. Maybe if [email protected], Kancolle and Touhou split more evenly and it eats up even more of the competition next year it has a shot at the top, but I'm not seeing it.

>>14544095
I've heard this repeated probably a thousand times in the last two and a half years and have yet to see even plausible circumstantial evidence that doesn't boil down to "this is more popular than I think it should be."

>>14544596
See >>14543354. Last year I think they had about 6000SP offered between the conventions, but I think this year is looking to have fewer conventions/participants. For comparison, Reitaisai is 5000, Kourumu pulls 2000, and there are handful of annual regional conventions like Daikyuushuu that seem to pull a little over 100 circles each (though Daishuu is larger and has ~500).
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>>14544636
did someone really remove all the unicode from 4chan

what is this garbage
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>>14543343
>I need to brush up on history.
>Whats this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere

Basically the Japanese empire equivalent of the Third Reich and a plan for domination over Asia.
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>>14541445
You seriously think most touhou games are masterpieces to brag about...? It has some interesting gameplay and lore, although the gameplay is little more than recycled goods, and the art is absolute ass and that's about as far as it goes. Kancolle isn't a great game, but the simple. mobile-like gameplay is what people favor these days as sad as it is, the art is actually good and the overall idea of boat girls while remaining mostly historically accurate is appealing. You can call them skanks and fanservice but to be honest sex sells, and most of you losers come here to see fanon/roleplay threads and porn doujinshi of Touhou anyways. Liking something and being a blind, braindead fanboy are two different things.
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>>14543354
>>14544596
>>14544636
Hourai Gekisen Yoi is not that big. That 6000SP event you mentioned only had about 1000 actual circles participating (https://sdf-event.sakura.ne.jp/mform/cutfile/c_list_hy14.php) and that is an exception since the smaller events bring in far less people. HGY is bymonthly. They usually have a 50SP, 400SP, and two 1000SP events a year. Since the location of the event changes every time so does space availability. That doesn't necessarily mean they actually fill all those spots. HGY10 had 30 circles, HGY11 had 100, and HGY13 had 40 circles for example. The 1000SP events are also shared with three other fairs as shown here http://www.sdf-event.jp/mnk/MAP.png that is an image from the event taking place next month.
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>>14545007
かんこれis the game normal fags imagine games are like
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>>14545645
I think normalfags expect games, such as Call of Duty and Mario Kart, to actually have gameplay.

>>14545018
I meant 6000SP between all conventions in the year. I think the recent ones have been bimonthly but it used to be more frequent than that, it's been almost two years since 6th Battle and 23rd is coming up.

It's kind of hard for me to find records because the past events seem to get taken off the page and the organization of everything is total garbage.

>The 1000SP events are also shared with three other fairs as shown here http://www.sdf-event.jp/mnk/MAP.png that is an image from the event taking place next month.
I'm pretty sure when they mark 1000SP it's for their own convention only.

>もう何も怖くない
I didn't realize they still had a bimonthly convention going. Meguca strong.
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>>14547016
>I'm pretty sure when they mark 1000SP it's for their own convention only.
No. Even the official website of Hourai Gekisen says the venue is jointly shared with those other fairs.
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>>14545007
Never said 2hu was a masterpiece. Just that it didnt need to sell itself on fanservice because it actually has other merits, fun gmaeplay, great music, character deigns while shittily draw, are iconic and Zun having a great relationship with fans, allowing a bunh of additional content to be built around the games and enriching the community.
I personally like the cute stuff that comes from it, the porn produced rarely does anything for me. Like most Japanese porn I just find it terrible from the scenarios to the dialouge. "Stop if you touch me there I'm gonna" Fuck you porn writers, thats the entire point of touching a chicks genitals, and no hitting someones cervex would not feel good.
Seriously though, the porn and fanservic ein touhou is secondary. In shipsluts, it's the foundation. That alone speaks volumes about product quality.
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Touhou: Has moved from wikia and had their own wiki site
Kancolle: Never moved from wikia despite having their own wiki site

Is this a good thing?
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I saw more 2hu than kancolle today and its kancolle day
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>>14541340
>Touhou Project


Wasn't there suppose to be some sort of preview of video release today? I recall the last PV mentioning it being between dec. 29 to dec 31 I think
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>>14545645
You're wrong and you know it anon
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>Reitaisai still pushing 3,5k + circles each years
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Boatfags are getting desperate.
From all those thousands of circles you throw around none of them creates anything interesting or new. All you need to do is to look at C89.
The circles are getting desperate and try to offload their stock while there are still a few fools around buying boat goods.
Cunt caller has been the sick man of otaku culture for years. Don't blame 2hu for being the last straw which broke the camel's back.
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if you're going to keep the thread alive at least make an effort to respond to things people have said rather than restarting the conversation and throwing memes at each other

it takes like one a day how hard can it be
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>>14552987
Well, I'm pretty hard.
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kuso thread
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>>14552581
>>14552612
I do like the "sick man of otaku culture" figure for trolling. Very classy.
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>>14552612
>Cunt caller
>small c
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>>14547186
>kancolle day
What?
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>>14543392
>>14541554
>>14542707


Unfortunately, even if Touhou did have a larger number of circles than it does for C89, it doesn't mean shit for us if the uploaders don't scan anything Touhou related and keep going for Kancolle/Granblue doujins. Look at the number of C89 doujins uploaded on exhentai.
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>>14542707
boat girls are cute, who gives a damn if their origin is a shit game?

I only like comiket for the music anyways
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>>14543225
planes, cars, artillery, guns, crossbows, melee weapons, magic shit, cross-overs, fusions, megaevolutions

Even if they were to run out of boats.
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>>14563667
There is one for household appliances.
Those crazy japs sexualize everything.
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>>14563662
What that means is that you're shallow as fuck and can be won over with no effort. Quality content is not required, just have a girl you want to sex
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>>14570052
Do you really think it's strange that a game known for only its girls has more porn than a game mostly known for its music?
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>>14570052
>>14570139
kancolle doesn't need as much fandom support as touhou because it has season/holiday updates and is still beating it in comiket. Holy shit. By the way swordboys is the real touhou successor so get bitter at them instead
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>>14570292
>doesn't need
Both need more.
>sword boys
you mean Touken Ranbu?
Is it good? I fail to see how the two are sharing an audience.
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>>14570413
>Is it good?
It's kancolle with swords instead of boats.
As such it'll probably hit the fujoshi titles and kancolle harder than touhou
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>>14570449
can't I just download all the art instead of playing some shitty game?
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>people are fighting over touhou vs kancolle again

I don't care for the popularity of touhou at all. ZUN has said that he will be making games even if people stopped caring. In 20 years, I will be playing touhou even if I was the only one.

While pic related guarantees that I will not touch kancolle ever.
>When your game literally rots by time
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>>14541289
I'm just glad that the fujoshit seems to be dying down.
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>>14570547
>ye olde kancolle only does historical meme

Zzz
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>>14570292
>By the way swordboys is the real touhou successor
Please explain.

>>14570547
>ZUN has said that he will be making games even if people stopped caring. In 20 years, I will be playing touhou even if I was the only one.
Not everyone is okay with eating the same shit for decades. Normal people get bored eventually.
You are like the manchildren who forever stuck with Dragon Ball, Superman or Barbie. ZUN will lose his interest if only a handful of obsessed weebz will play his games and give him a bad name. He will try to start a new project with new characters given he still cares after all those years.
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>>14574309
>Normal people get bored eventually
>implying ZUN is normal
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>>14574568
Who are you greening??

ZUN has wife and kid(s). He is an example of normal.
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>>14574309
>He will try to start a new project with new characters
He explicitly stated that he won't do that. His words carry more credibility than yours.
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>>14581575
ZUN has never kept his promises and he won't even remember them 20 years from now on. You can screencap this.
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>>14584803
ZUN will have been spirited away to Gensokyo by then
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>>14541340
This is old right? Where is Granblue?

Also for Touhoufags, i don't know why you care. Touhou was lowering numbers even before Kancolle became a thing. In fact KanColle grew that much because of people getting bored of Touhou, no because of Kancolle being that good.
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>>14585823
It's from this Comiket. Most people seem to have put their Granblue stuff under the general pornography section (see the ascii link from earlier).

>In fact KanColle grew that much because of people getting bored of Touhou, no because of Kancolle being that good.
It's probably because the replacement is such garbage. It doesn't even have a plot.
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>>14589373
Reimu beats up anyone who causes trouble, other characters sometimes help.
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>>14586544
plot is for pussies
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>>14589426
TTK beats up anyone who causes trouble, other characters sometimes help.
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>>14600435
Maybe you weren't interested? Because I've seen people saying the opposite.
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>>14574309
>Not everyone is okay with eating the same shit for decades.

Most people are.
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>>14600521
I've been eating junk food for half my life and even though I want to change, it's difficult now that I've gotten used to it and can't cook for shit...
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>>14589373
Obviously each game has its own separate story (featuring stellar plots such as "somebody is trying to feed spring to a tree" and "my knives are making me evil") but there's also an overarching setting: Gensokyo is a mythical place where forgotten myths to live out their days, and the old strife between human and youkai is played out in incidents.

For starters, Kantai Collection lacks any sort of real setting. It doesn't even have a single canon. All we know is that there are ship girls, and there are abyssal ships, and they fight. Where did they come from? What caused any of this? Well, at the end of the day none of it really matters since what the setting is mostly about is watching cute girl warships play around and sometimes fight, in a great big play-acting parody of war. Hard to take any of the characters seriously like that.
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>>14600854
Obviously each event has its own separate story (featuring stellar plots such as "Ironbottom Sound" and "Operation AL/MI") but there's also an overarching setting: The seas of Kancolle are a mythical place where forgotten myths to live out their days, and the old strife between human, shipgirl and abyssal is played out in incidents.

For starters,Touhou lacks any sort of real setting. It doesn't even have a single canon. All we know is that there are youkai, and there are miko, and they fight. Where did they come from? What caused any of this? Well, at the end of the day none of it really matters since what the setting is mostly about is watching cute girls in silly hats play around and sometimes fight, in a great big play-acting parody of tea parties. Hard to take any of the characters seriously like that.
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>>14541340
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>>14604613
>Obviously each event has its own separate story
In the sense that a mission briefing is a story.

>mythical place where forgotten myths to live out their days
The seas are clearly not "mythical" in the context of the fictional universe. And the warships of WWII are neither forgotten nor mythical.

>and the old strife between human, shipgirl and abyssal is played out in incidents.
It's never established that there's any sort of "old strife" at all because no setting is ever given.

I'm just going to stop there because I'm pretty sure this is a hamfisted parody intended more to keep the thread alive than actually prove any sort of point.
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Where can i download/torrent doujins from comiket?
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>>14541289
a google search for "kancolle kadokawa bribe" has this page as the top result.

So take out the tinfoil hat, or start putting up some Citations.
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>>14562359
I just bought 50+ unscanned Comiket 65 and 66 Touhou doujins, so its not like people aren't trying.

http://pastebin.com/BRpRe4Sc
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Even Pageratta deleted his Touhou works despite have never make KanColle stuff.

I don't mind artists grow out of Touhou, but if this is also part of Kadokawa's scheme, well that's fucked up.
I believe he stopped drawing Touhou even before KanColle came.
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So, what do the Japanese say about all of this?

I would be happy to translate citations, but until I get a single source out of the country which operates Comiket, that gives evidence towards Kadokawa doing anything other than, encouraging people to make doujinshi, I'm just going to write this off as trolling.
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>>14577965
>>ZUN has wife and kid(s). He is an example of normal.

While I am not arguing that ZUN is not normal, that is a pretty fucking shitty qualifier for normality.

One can have the most conformist mindset in the world and still be a pariah because one has absolutely no ability to socialize. Its just that, since its hard to maintain conformity without constant outside reinforcement, one will end up going down the path of least resistance and get absorbed in something else to try and fill the hole of social experience.

While I would guess that being independent of others would be conducive to making you think independently, /r9k/ is evidence enough that people will attempt to pursue or scorn conformity through social acceptance if they cannot achieve it, rather than ignore it.
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>>14609150
Dude, fuck those guys.
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>>14609150
probably the latter
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>>14609150
I can see Pageratta doing that if dumb fans were constantly pestering him for more 2hu stuff when he's obviously interested on creating original works for now. In Japan an artist with Pageratta's humor sense can honestly hope to make it big with an original gag manga.
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>>14618337
Having anything to do with doujinshi is already one great big mark of shame.
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2hu is dying
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>>14620008
>>14623152
2hu will never die as long as there's one autist left willing to keep it alive

much like this thread
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>>14623155
much like dead old megaman forums. Not a single community dies anymore.

What we will see is a decrease of quality fanworks as doujinshi and music albums.
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>>14623574
Damn, /jp/ badly needs some fresh content.
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>>14544684
noose.png
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>>14623574
As if that's not already that case.
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>>14543343
I seem to recall him wanting people to stop making pr0n at one point. we see how ell that worked out.
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>>14635033
That was something like "I am required to ask you not to produce things with illegal levels of explicit content".
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was this the shortest maintenance ever?
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>>14541441
Then i chalange those Japs to go deeper and unveil the secrets.

Of course they can't. They're Japanese. They're either too much of a pussy to do it or they seem to value stability first rather than hard, harsh truth. Which is why the people are still sheep by the govie and the mega corps.
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>>14635033
Itou Live once told to ZUN that he likes 2hu porn.
ZUN says "That's cool m8, make more". And he later jokingly says bullet hell pattern is erotic to him.
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>>14541340
is no one going to ask wtf is Touken Ranbu, if its some shit browser game then isnt touhou getting dunked on by not one but 2 shitty browser games?
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>>14650832
Everybody knows that Touken Ranbu is; stop living under a rock.
Touhou's main audience are ugly fat basement dwelling neckbeards who are too casual to watch anime; Touken Ranbu can't "dunk" that unless said lowlifes are gays.
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