My dear friends, the last thread reached 335 posts ! So please join me in reliving the experience one more time.
I love Bern. She is my waifu.
I agree. But not even you can deny that the witches are
cute. specially Auau
i recognize this animation vector, its from the /jp/ blowjob flash game isnt it
speaking of which, i need to see what new things konashion is up to
last i remember they finally introduced penis/trap options along with cum
So any news or scans of this yet?
>“When the Firefly Lights Burn” Story Explicitly Connected to Higurashi/Umineko
I'm much more interested now. It's just a shame it's a manga, not a vn.
God I am such a retard. I was in Akiba today and totally forget this book was released. FUCK. I hope they have it available in a bookstore near my station.
Anyone know if the publishers website lists bookstores that carry it?
The official website have posted the prologue of the story.
Apparently, Hotarubi no Tomoru Koro ni will be once again a Bern vs Lambda.
I don't remember if it was /a/ or here, but in case you're here, guy who's been looking, after exhaustive internet scouring, I've found the old "scan" of the seven sisters tapestry I'd had saved before my pictures got deleted years ago. It's not the biggest, but there's no doubt it's the best quality that we're going to find online.
and upscaled via http://waifu2x.udp.jp/
i've been reading ps3ification rondo along with the manga and can attest that the manga medum gives better perspective in visual and storytelling department. perhaps 75% of the vn just because no UNTZ and voice
He looks like a Filipino or something gross
No good reason to buy the Mangagamer release anyways, as the Umitweak patch already exists and covers all eight parts
Eh, he just looks tanned to me. Fits his character. And while I really won't be getting much out of the Mangagamer release (I prefer the PS3 sprites) I'm still gonna get it just to support the series and future localizations. I think it's pretty cool to see it get an official English release along with Higurashi even after all these years.
Oh man, that would be sick. I never played Ougon back when it was fresh and still getting new content so I missed it's prime and I regret it to this day. It's pretty fun.
MG said that they would put up OMK if Umineko sold well, but nothing has been mentioned about replacing directIP only with matchmaking of some sort. It's not like GGPO costs money or anything.
I'd pay $30 for that. Like, for real.
How hard would it even be? Besides licensing shenanigans, they would just have to implement steam matchmaking, which I don't think it's hard.
They said that they might
Not sure if there would be any real licensing challenges, as that game was made and published by 07th expansion, unlike let's say Melty Blood which was made and published by different companies.
Merry Christmas everyone~! I hope you all have a great day tomorrow.
The guy that's doing the manga has all the way up to Confession done now. I watched Confession but I'm waiting until he's finished so I can watch the whole thing.
It's a very subtle detail.
Consider this: the rose flower itself is the sexually reproducing part of the plant. A damaged rose = a damaged sexual organ, effectively. This is alluding to Yasu's damaged body and inability to have sex or bear children.
There are many other similar subtle details that are only obvious after re-reading. During the magical battle scenes in Episode 2, Kanon displays his 'sword' to fight against the Sisters of Purgatory. Revealing this 'sword' is said to be surprising and humiliating and Jessica is really confused by it.
This can be interpreted as follows: after Gohda left the room, Jessica in her grief got close to Kanon and possibly attempted to get intimate. At this point she noticed that Yasu has no genitals and rejected Kanon. Kanon 'lost' the roulette, and that is why he 'died' as well.
In Natsuhi's room Shannon fights the Sisters using a magical barrier, which symbolises the feminine side. The symbolism of gold butterflies and stakes penetrating the barrier is highly sexually suggestive. Jooji most likely learned the truth of Sayo in this room as well - namely that she was born a man and will never bear him the children he desires. He rejects her. He then dies.
Given that Battler has already demonstrated that he will not solve the epitaph or understand his forotten promise, at this point in the story Yasu has lost. None of the three personalities will get to experience love. In a twisted fashion, 'Shannon' asks if Jooji will say he loves her one more time before they die, most likely at gunpoint. She then kills him before he can even finish the sentence and offs herself as well.
Given that this story was written by Yasu in advance it's obviously just her putting her self-hatred out there in a cryptic form for someone to hopefully understand if fate goes against her.
The suicide is also there to serve as a huge clue towards who the culprit is. The only possibility for that room is that the culprit is on the inside. The master keys are accounted for and the room key is on the inside.
That's why at the very end in the ???? we are told that Beato made 'sub-optimal' moves throughout the game, exposing her heart to Battler in a subtle kind of way. After all, if Yasu really wanted to make the mystery nearly impossible to solve she would have written it so that Shannon died outside the room with an abundance of possible explanations as to how she died.
There has recently been a theory video series on Youtube by Infinity Stop which analyses and interprets almost every line from the VN's and manga together. I haven't watched all of it but there are many interesting points contained within it.
One of these is the following speculation: Erika is not strictly a 'piece', rather she is a representation of Beato without any 'Love'. It is after all Erika's arrival that herald's Beato's death in Ep 5, and Erika's defeat that herald's Trolltrice's return at the end of Ep 6.
During that entire time Battler is grappling with alternative interpretations to the gameboard which are patently false and yet can be made technically correct with some wilful ignorance. This represents a purely analytical solution to the mystery, ignoring the heart. Until the Manga came out Rosatrice was more or less a Blue Truth parallel solution to the story. Yes it was silly, but it wasn't exactly 100% refutable until extra Reds were introduced. The kind of thinking that would lead people towards Rosatrice or any other alternative explanation is represented by Erika. Remember back in Episode 1 ??? Bern said that Beato is a representation of the rules of the game. Well, Erika is a warped representation of the very same thing. And since Erika lacks 'love' she does not understand the game board fully. What does her defeat represent? I believe it represents Tohya coming to terms with his inability to remember his promise to Sayo and solve the epitaph in time. Had he done that, the disaster would have never happened. Upon realising this fact he has 'lost' Beato in the Meta, because he was too late. In her place we have the possibility of forcing other theories to 'fit', like Natsuhitrice and even Black Battler, anything other than Beato's true nature, because recalling her is causing Tohya to suffer psychological torment in Prime. His ultimate acceptance of Beato's nature, and his part in her creation, allows her 'rebirth'.
If you happen to believe Ikuko = Yasu, then episodes 5 and 6 can simply be interpreted as the pair of them exploring the truth via forgery writing; think of it as a kind of therapy for Tohya to understand the nature of Yasu.
One more thing: Red = Red Herring. Ryu was probably really angry that nobody really grasped this, probably because he underestimated how novel and interesting an idea it was in the first place. It truly made Umineko into a game without any player input (until ep 8 anyway).
>implying anyone read this
I have it way worse
It took me until part 7 to realize that Maria's porcelain rabbits were the vessels for the Chiester sisters
They are all red herrings. If we allow for the fact that Higurashi was his first work and that he considers it to be a lesser work, then it's clear that he intended to have the Meta be a kind of link between the various WtC games. But he only thought of this either late in the story of Higurashi or when he began to write Umineko, because the two universes don't match up.
They're just guns. This is why they are 'superior' furniture to the Seven Stakes, since it is revealed that the Stakes are actually just inserted into the wounds after the Winchester does its job.
>Ikuko = Yasu
That's a personal favourite of mine. Ikuko is just weird. She just happen to be here at the right moment. She just happen to be still young-ish as Battler age, which should realistically put her at the same age as Battler. She just happen to be really rich. She just happen to know far more about the truth as she should.
The Beatrice = Ikuko is really interesting.
No, the stakes are a combination of a quieter pistol that leaves a small wound sized for a the stake. It can't be heard easily as long as its not too close to other people.
The Chiesters are Kinzo's Winchesters which leave multiple buckshot marks and more damaging wounds, hence the "golden thread" sewing the vicinity of their target.
They are more dangerous and powerful "furniture" which is why it becomes EVAs method of choice, since she stops caring about the maintaining Beato's style. Using the stakes takes more effort for the sake of the epitaph.
>As long as I stick the stakes in at some point, its all the same right?
Man this game had so many hints looking back, right there in the fantasy of the 3rd game.
>Got into seacats for a dark murder mystery
>Never really understood what was going on, but I guess this magic stuff is cool
>Most seacats threads with posts and theories have observations/connections that I can barely recall if not at all
I probably should reread this.
Didn't Ryukishi07 himself confirm that George would have accepted her if he knew though? I'm pretty sure Jessica would have as well, but Yasu was too scared to even try to tell them and kept running away.
It'll be coming out eventually. There's no set date. Information about it so far (scroll down past Q&A): https://seaoffragments.wordpress.com/2015/05/17/acen-2015-07th-expansion-panel-3-ryukishi07s-latest-work-trianthology-unraveled-for-the-first-time/
What's with RS an loli bellybuttons?
It's nostalgic looking back through the archives. Once desustorage is done importing (whenever that will be), I'm going back through /a/'s threads.
Moon-chan discussion a best
That is one ugly art style. But Happy New Year to all.
On my first read through I went from 1 - 8 without ANY discussion or stopping to read threads so I actually didn't really 'get' what to look out for either.
Also, because each episode was SO LONG and I didn't have experience with VN's, I somehow got the idea that Episode 5 was Episode 2 and read about 2 hours of 5 before realising my error. It made things 10x as much of a mindfuck as I was basically thrown into the meta after Episode 1 Tea Party and assumed it was just weird and Japanese that none of the characters were properly introduced.
Yes I'm aware that this makes me retarded.
It must be a really frustrating thing to put so much thought and effort into your work, and have people not just misunderstanding it, but also calling you a talentless hack for it. It makes me think that Umineko was a good story published in the wrong medium. Most visual novel readers simply aren't expecting the kind of active experience that Ryukishi wanted you to have with the story. Most are just looking for a good story where they can just follow along for the ride, and have some good 'feels' at the end.
Perhaps I'm just overreacting to the backlash that Umineko received, but it seems to be quite polarizing. You either love it or you hate it.
I don't know how many results you'll get. I mostly searched for theory specific keywords. Just work with the date filter and you'll get to some stuff. Going back to threads that happened the night the spoilers dropped is good too, and you can probably find those easily.
I was taking a run and there was this black cat that I ran by that kept on staring at me.
Bernkastel is looking for your soul tonight, anon. She's hungry, and her teeth are sharp.
Absolutely this. I never got into Umineko during the hype but when I did eventually get round to it, it was blatantly obvious there was far more going on between the lines and I was sure that others would have thought the same.
Guess I was wrong. That said, what medium would have been better? Only pure literature comes to mind, but then whilst he could convey the themes better since typically novel readers pay more attention than VN readers, he wouldn't have been able to express the character's emotions as strongly, and it likely wouldn't have been nearly as popular today due to the lack of music alone.
>he wouldn't have been able to express the character's emotions as strongly
Should've upped his writing skills first.
Seeing "ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha" and "Battleeeeeeeeeeeer" was annoying as fuck. Unless that was some annoying translation thing.
As far as I know it seems that he ruined the potential for characters.
I was a Higurashi fan and the conection between Higurashi and Umineko was the trigger for me to like both. Bern was a disappointment on development that almost made me go full autistic with that, some of the things I love and still love of Bern is what I saw in Rika and what immediately was separated from her in the end of Higurashi. Kinda pic related.
I also read he kinda made the story to "made fun of readers", into pretending he was doing a smart very complex story to make him look like a genius.
Maybe he just went full pottery to shoutout some /tv/ maymays,
I totally agree in regards to Bernkastel.
She came off as tremendously flat throughout the story, which hurt hr because of her status as the primary antagonist in Chiru. The biggest problem with Bernkastel's development was the introduction of her relationship to Featherine and her motivation for revenge.
Her role of being subservient to Featherine wouldn't so much be a problem if Featherine actually had some semblance of development or personality outside of (lolchild of man), though I guess that escaped R07's head when introducing her.
Bern's motivation for revenge against Beato/Battler was, tbf, not that interesting since it did't do anything for her outside of demonstrating that she was n turbo bitch, which we already knew.
If anything, she was just used to develop every other character (Erika, Lambda, etc), which sucks since she's one of the few characters to get carried over from Higurashi. It might not have been a problem if she didn't have a large role in Higurashi, but she did, so her treatment in Umineko was pitiful.
R07's biggest problem, imo, is writing multiple characters well. It's always only one or two characters that you can say are written well with the other 20+ falling into some obscurity. Something I don't think is acceptable in a work as long s Umineko.
You're right. I shouldn't generalize Umineko's problems onto Higurashi.
Maybe he just placed his focus too much on Beato/Battler/flavor of the Episode characters.
Partially unrelated: I honestly found the the Beato/Battler plot to get tiresome at a certain point.
In Higurashi the overall concept was far less novel and impressive than in Umineko, especially for VN's. Anyone who has looked at Uchikoshi's work has seen time loops if we're talking about VN's. Furthermore the 'cute kids losing their fucking minds' hook gets pretty old, pretty fast.
Contrast that with Umineko where the concept is brilliant enough to draw in people way outside of the VN demographic. You've got a classic mystery where the author effectively stands in and confirms/denies theories in canon using Word of God (red truth). Mystery fans like myself found an itch that we didn't know we had getting thoroughly scratched.
However the main draw of Umineko was also its Achilles' Heel; mystery novels aren't typically known for strong characterisation and they necessarily have a sizeable enough cast to allow for suspects. As a result many of the characters are really one dimensional. Just what was Hideyoshi up to most of the time? Just seemed like a pretty reasonable guy who wouldn't be out of place in a Murakami novel.
Except in a Murakami novel he would have some really bizarre hobby or worldview or would at least have good taste in Jazz and beer to keep the reader amused. In Umineko he does....nothing. And yet this nothing character is confirmed as a co-conspirator in Episode 1. Why? Because he needs money for his restaurant chain. That's it.
I wish they would all just collectively rape me.
Lambda, you motherfucker. You made me like you!
This is what happens when you open your heart to someone and let love in. You must pay the consequence of your decisions, anon.
The manga ruined this fucking story forever. Ryu opened up the catbox to keep the loveless Goats happy and now it's impossible to speculate or argue about pretty much anything. And the manga is definitively canon.
Yes it was well done but it undermined the whole point of the fucking story. You could argue that Ep 7 of the VN did the same thing but the amount of extra Reds in the manga did much more damage to the catbox.
The VN didn't have a clear and obvious answer to every single thing. It didn't 100% confirm prime, there was the possibility for different solutions to each game using the same basic idea, it didn't confirm nor deny Ikuko = Yasu, it didn't confirm nor deny if Ange's world exists in Prime or if it's a gameboard etc. etc.
By contrast the manga exhaustively answered everything instead of leaving room for some speculation and theorising which Ryukishi explicitly wanted to do with the VN. Even if it was obvious who the culprit was by Episode 7, there were many other things which were less obvious or clear.
I agree with you to a point, but to be fair you chose one of the worst cases of dusty pieces in Hideyoshi. A lot of other characters, particularly the Aunts and Cousins got quite a fair shake by the time it was over. R07 Just knows his audience and there were too many attractive female characters to waste time on fat old men with fake Osaka accents. He deserves some credit for having a cast like that and working them into the story.
That aside we did learn Hideyoshi was a good husband who loved his wife and son.
The manga took forever to get to catbox stuff, and literally no one cares or talks about Umineko in Japan anymore anyway. It had only a small blip of popularity that quickly died out and now you can't even find second merch in all of Akiba.
Outside of the occasional western discussion which devolves into the usual Rosatrice shit thee is nothing worthy to debate now that its over. The guts were torn out in Ep 7 for anyone with half a brain. The manga and the new book were just the nail in the coffin.
>Outside of the occasional western discussion which devolves into the usual Rosatrice shit thee is nothing worthy to debate now that its over. The guts were torn out in Ep 7 for anyone with half a brain. The manga and the new book were just the nail in the coffin.
I disagree. See >>14578139 where I explained that some details like Ikuko = Yasu were possible but not confirmed until the manga released.
When I originally read Episode 8 I took the purple truth minigame as a clue to how Umineko was supposed to be interpreted. In that game a series of clear deductions leads to the conclusion that (Black) Battler has to be the culprit. However Erika presents a possible alternative solution which is slightly outside the box. In the end it's not possible to know which of the two solutions is 'correct' even though one has more clear support than the other.
Contrast that with what happened in the manga. Did we really need to know in excruciating detail how basically every murder or trick was done? No matter how retarded it is, Rosatrice was at least inventive and provoked a lot of great discussion on here and other places back in the day.
I guess I just miss those days.
>Did we really need to know in excruciating detail how basically every murder or trick was done?
Isn't that what people demanded from Ryukishi07 though? Didn't the fandom complain about it being too confusing and not conclusive and whatever? Either way, I don't dislike the manga because at least they made Yasu's problems and motives more understandable.
Face it, you are just butthurt because your headcanon can't exist in the catbox anymore.
Its not 2010, the story need some conclusiveness to the people who stuck with it and wanted to check the answers. Even within the narrative of the VNs higher beings couldn't help but want to see the truth.
The point of Umineko wasn't to stay in the Golden Land of ignorance to the truth, but to see the "single truth" with the right perspective (love) which took the journey of the story to fully appreciate.
I thought "our confession" was much, much worse nasty to read than the manga and it came out fairly early. Even now reading it I can't believe it to be true because it reads so crudely and does Beato a disservice.
I'm butthurt because it's not really possible to have a conversation and hear alternative interpretations. I personally never disagreed with Shkanontrice nor did I think that Ep 7 teaparty wasn't the closest truth to Prime. I just liked interesting discussions and felt that R07 wanted some level of vagueness in how to interpret the finer details.
I've stuck with it since I first read it in 2013 and I would be happier if this mystery story stood alone as technically 'unsolved' forever. I have read a LOT of mystery stories with clear and obvious answers over the years; I guess I'm just sorry that Umineko is now one of them.
Have 19 minutes of ear-sex, goats.
You're not alone, it's really a pity. Now that everything has been said and everything is solved... I'm afraid that Umineko is only going to go down and down, until it dies completely. I really don't want this to happen.
Oh my. Hehehehe~ I really like this design, I don't care what the others thinks. The only only one that I don't like very much is Jessica (she looks so different), but I thought the same about the design of Battler and Beatrice before... and now I like both of them so who knows ? Although, I have to admit that the "scary" faces of the witches are now more funny and ridiculous than terrifying, but they never scared me so I'm fine with that.
>I'm butthurt because it's not really possible to have a conversation and hear alternative interpretations.
No one really had discussions about it even before the manga spoiled everything.
It's better to let everything out because no one was going to talk about it for years to come anyway, especially when he moves on to the next WtC.
>I'm afraid that Umineko is only going to go down and down, until it dies completely
Just like any work of fiction, it will live on if it's good enough to do so.
It's not like he's abandoning the series either. Lots of people will read Umineko and Higurashi whenever the next WTC comes out.
>whenever the next WTC comes out.
Hopefully this will happen at all.
Tonight I dreamed that the new work of Ryukishi was actually announced to be a VN and not a manga.
Then I woke up and started crying. It was terrible.
I'm looking forward to When the Fireflies Burn or whatever it's called. I'm hoping that the inevitable megathreads here are as good as the Umineko ones were but that's probably unlikely.
>No one really had discussions about it even before the manga spoiled everything.
Nah. Just look at KnownNoMore; you can call his Rosatrice theory bullshit if you want but here's a guy who makes really intellectual philosophy and skepticism videos tackling Umineko with a 9 hour analysis, released AFTER Our Confession but before the manga episode 8. Discounting the manga, his explanations were more or less all consistent with the Red.
People HATED him for it. Most of his videos have like 1k views except for the Umineko ones, which have ~50 times that. There were true believers even after Our Confession who maintained it up until the Ep 8 manga. I'm sure there are STILL true believers.
Can you link a good source with it?
I had before I lost the link.
if you want the official Yen Press translation, you'll have to either buy it on Amazon (lel) or look for a torrent or something. The fan translation I recall is from the WTDND group:
IIRC at least some of the mangas are hosted off site and need to have a registration but it's all free.
Are you 12? Get a torrent client like Utorrent or similar and just do a Google search. Or look for Rapidshare. Or just go with the fan translation since the official one won't be done until 2047 at this rate.
I word it wrong, I mean, clicked the Yen Press website and it directed me into some seemingly porn site. I was confused about this.
So Yen Press is not complete then?
How good is the fan translation? Or is it a bit like a "troll sub"?
was it safe to assume that the fact about Eva as sole survivor is true?
>kind of therapy for Tohya to understand the nature of Yasu.
pic related i guess
Fan translation has some English grammatical errors (granted that different people worked o it at different times). There is some difference in word choice.
That said, I enjoy the official releases.
If you want the official Yen Press Episode 1 - 4 just go on Amazon and google 'umineko manga english'; it will be there both physical and digital copy. Each episode is in 2 volumes. It's not that expensive but if you're poor/12 then it's probably online somewhere. I've never checked since I just used a fan translation.
The fan translation is imperfect; not as good as Witch Hunt's VN translation and also has some of the same ambiguities inherent in translating from Japanese to English.
Eva is the only person who survived in body and in mind.
If you've only read the VN then it is possible for both Battler and Yasu to have survived as well. However if you read the manga it's quite clear that only Battler survived and lost his memory.
I can't find the official release anyway, so I am staying with the fan translation, besides I'm more interested in chiru.
I am having some troubles downloading the manga from WTDND episode 1-8, can someone tell me what extra chapters are there so I can download too?
thanks for confirming this. I really don't get what's what after considering the possibility of Ikuko = Yasu and eps 1-8 were their forgery writing and all shits the previous anon explained.
Try madokami. Let's just wait some really bored anon will rip YP release someday
Sorry for being a bother here.
Well I went to the WTDND website and grabbed a MEGA link, it didn't work, it had 1-8 episodes.
You asked me to try on madokami, but I was not successful with the search either.
Honestly I am only looking for the fan translation now, episodes 1-8 and any other extra chapters too.
I've been avoiding spoilers totally but I assume you mean Lambda?
>for my "online friends"
>my "online friends"
Natsuhi knew that Angie would be sick, hence her surprise when she showed up in the seventh game. Yasu probably fished the letter out of the trash or tapped the phone line to figure out. Still not more ridiculous than the island having a self destruct switch.
>the stakes are a combination of a quieter pistol that leaves a small wound sized for a the stake
About that, have we ever seen those pistols anywhere in the story?
I always thought it was something like a crossbow (which makes sense, they are quite easy to get), since no character ever mentioned something like silenced pistols.
Ange had a tendency to get sick but two of the original letters Yasu put in bottles were reasonably detailed closed room murder mysteries. I think it's unlikely that she quickly removed any Ange references from those stories at the last minute.
It's more likely that she either guessed Ange wouldn't be present or that Kyrie and Rudolf were accomplices to begin with.
There are a lot of details from ep1 and 2 that happened in Prime even though technically speaking Yasu was 'predicting' them in her letters before they happened. The sick rose is an example; she told Maria which rose was 'hers' months or even a year earlier, but that whole scene depends on there being one sickly rose and also Yasu would've had to predict that George would be the one to put a marker on it to keep Maria happy.
This kind of thing is imo the biggest cheap shot from R07; it would've been fairly possible to deduce that 1-2 and 3-8 had different authors based on the knowledge each author SHOULD have; but Yasu setting up or 'guessing' actual Prime events in advance makes such deduction highly unlikely.
Reminder that the MILFs never got enough attention and that is a tragedy
Here, let Rosa help you with your language.
Aunties were hot af but siblings art wasn't bad.
also you can't kraut the krauss
Why Natsuhi so pure? Doesn't Krauss taught her things during their honeymoon trip in SEA countries
doujin's name? there's nothing like this on sadpanda
The manga enhances and adds what the VN have to offer. I'm currently reading episode 3 along with the manga
Bern for sure.
Take a hike nerd
This is an aunt thread now
such a bully Eva is. Who's older between the two?
For the longest time, I wondered why I found Natsuhi the most sympathetic aunt even though she does a lot of heinous stuff. It's because I secretly want a submissive woman with huge tits who does whatever I say, inside and outside the bedroom.
Because it's no longer a politically correct or acceptable desire for a man to have in this day and age, and women now have too much power for this to be the case even if the desire were acceptable.
This is why so many older men in the UK with money are buying brides from Russia and Thailand.
It's people like you who make me think the inclusion of the Voyager Witches was the worst fucking aspect of Umineko. They bring next to nothing to the table and have helped propagate the most autistic corner of the fanbase to absurd levels.
Yes. Pre-Chiru Bern (If I am not mistaken) is the best teacher, until she goes full downhill with her character. Bern-sensei is my fetish, intellectually wise.
No. You are using fanbase as an argument. Voyager Witches are important for "pottery" reasons with other novels, in this case it is just Higurashi.
>disagrees with my assessment
>"Bern-sensei is my fetish, intellectually wise"
What do you mean by discarding my opinion? I just like Bern-sensei idea and it comes since Higurashi. Rika->Bern transition was something I liked a lot and I was honestly sad with the downhill of Umineko characters.
Nigga I just said here >>14596736 that I don't like the voyager witches because they contribute little to Umineko and lead to endless fantard posts about how kawaii or fuckable Bern and Lambda are. See: every Umineko thread ever.
Then you unironically use the words 'Bern-sensei' and 'fetish' in the same sentence and expect me to reply as though your opinion is worth a fuck.
Ironically I said, fetish.
That is why I said intellectually wise.
R34 Bern is just as shit as the character development she had in Umineko.
This was just a misunderstanding between us, move along bruh.
>4chan super sekrit club no normies allowed.
Meanwhile the majority of posters are Umineko fans discussing theories and giving their opinions on the story, while a ragtag band of closeted paedophiles derail every thread with their degenerate obsession over the objectively worst and least important characters in the story.
And when they - that is to say, when you - are called out on it they act as though their behaviour is the norm.
are you ready for a Weekend at Bernies?
Right because Yasu/Clair's confession as well as Kinzo's weren't more important in Episode 7
And any argument based on Episode 8 is totally pointless. Not only is 8 a failure as an episode, it is a failure precisely because it went too far up its own ass about the meta and magic. Fanservice of all the magical characters is a huge reason for this but Bern is just one aspect of it.
Please give me your argument for how Bern can be considered more important than Battler, Ange, Yasu, or Kinzo.
This guy gets it.
Except it isn't even bait. These faggots will literally derail any interesting discussion with their waifu pandering. Replace Bern with an equivalent character based on Keiichi and nobody would fucking talk about him. He'd be considered a weird anomaly that seems like an awkward carry over from Higurashi, and an edgefaggot to boot.
Prove me wrong.
I love the Voyagers in a platonic fashion. I wish I could become a Voyager myself and drink tea with them or something like in my autistic fantasies but I would never even consider sexualizing them. My brain is far too wired towards loving tall women with long hair and big breasts to allow me to become a fucking pedoshit.
Nah man, I read through everything with the classic (and not to mention superior) sprites.
Frederica shows up in the end of Higurashi Kai, green dress etc.
Or you are just a stubborn troll or you are not understanding what I am saying.
Loli Bern was just DEEN being a shit, but they did animate Bern as she should be on Higurashi.
Picture kinda related, its just grown up Rika.
I like this anon, if I have to say it, it would be platonic too. Mister troll guy just doesn't see past the loli looks, besides, that look isn't even canon.
Nah, that's not me. It's just another anon using the same pic that I use, and with a different file name too. So leave that kid alone, she/he hasn't done anything wrong.
>R07, the most famous VN mystery writer since Uchikoshi, isn't trying to write a top tier mystery
>mentions Agatha Christie, the queen of mystery, repeatedly
>Two of the characters are literally magic forms of other famous mystery authors
>the VN is left deliberately unsolved so that readers can solve the mystery themselves
It's like you didn't even use your brain to write that comment.
Killed yourself yet?
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little witch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Pendragon Army, and I’ve been involved in secret gameboards against demons, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gold truth warfare and I’m the top Chiester in the entire Pendragon armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will deny the fuck out of you with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Kakera, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the metaverse? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Goats across the fragments and your fragment is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The web of red truth that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can deny you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with Episodes 1 - 4. Not only am I extensively trained in red truth, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Pendragon Blue Truth Core and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the gameboard, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
>>R07, the most famous VN mystery writer since Uchikoshi, isn't trying to write a top tier mystery
>>mentions Agatha Christie, the queen of mystery, repeatedly
I didn't want to do this, but
*teleports behind u*
heart of the story
*denies your theories*
The true heart of the story can be interpreted in multiple ways.
For example, it is entirely possible to accept Shkannon without accepting Shkannontrice. I agree that Shkannontrice is a solution but until the manga it was far from the only solution. Multiple solutions exist where Shkannon is involved but not the true mastermind, for example. It was all moot before the manga, and in any case we know that Ep7 tea party is, with slight modifications, the Single Truth.
There is nothing worse than the sect of the fanbase who proclaim that the mystery is 'solved' now that we have the Ep8 manga.
fuck this remind me of tsubasa manga
could someone refresh my mind and remind me exactly which episodes were written by yasu and which episodes were written by Toya? And also maybe remind me how this was proven/discovered/mentioned?
Get the fuuuuck out of this thread before you get spoiled, seriously.
Episode 1 and 2 were written in advance by Yasu. Episode 3 onwards were written by some combination of Tohya and Ikuko. There is some speculation about this but we know from Chiru that everything after 2 is a forgery.
Most people agree that Tohya comes up with the general scenarios and details only 'Battler' could know and Ikuko does the writing.
care to point me at what chapter did this happen? I've finished Chiru without the forgery writing clue at all
All of the stuff about the online 'Witch Hunter' community and the stories Ikuko posted under a pseudonym online have been around since Ep 5 or possibly 6. It's been a while.
Episode 1 being a message bottle is in the credits of the Tea Party. I forget where the evidence for 2 being the same was but it might've been Episode 4 in Future Ange's story.
Eva did literally nothing wrong.
Her and Hideyoshi 'accidentally' shot Krauss and Natsuhi, which kicked off the whole incident.
She then lied 'to protect Ange' - nah, that was only part of it. She was also protecting herself from taking responsibility. Telling Ange the truth of what her parents did would've been a much better option in the long run.
Let's not forget that she was an emotionally abusive bitch due to her upbringing.
>forcing her to live not knowing what happened to her family, resulting in her developing obvious signs of mental illness including delusional fantasies about her dead cousin and witches
Psychologists uniformly agree that the children of convicted murderers should be informed that their parents 'did a terrible thing' as soon as they are old enough to comprehend it.
Deceiving them or misinforming them does more harm in the long run as they will find out about it in one way or another at some point and will be further damaged by the deception.
Neither option is good but not telling them is the easy and selfish option and the one Eva took.
Do you think she'd even believe Eva?
Ange's mental illness is more due to her being outcast because of everyone else thinking Eva was the killer. Do you seriously believe things would be better if everyone knew her parents were killers?
>Neither option is good but not telling them is the easy and selfish option and the one Eva took.
Pretty sure you have no way of knowing what her reasoning was.
She would have believed Eva is Eva told her about it when she was old enough to comprehend but not old enough to be a moody rebellious teenager.
>Do you seriously believe things would be better if everyone knew her parents were killers?
I said 'tell Ange' not 'tell everyone'.
>Pretty sure you have no way of knowing what her reasoning was.
This guy is correct; it is not an easy thing to tell the truth in this situation. But by NOT telling the truth Eva was 'protecting' Ange and this conveniently allowed her to gloss over the fact that her and her husband were responsible for the deaths of 4 people between them.
For fuck's sake, trauma counsellors exist. They deal with kids who were forced into being child soldiers or sold into sex slavery. Compared to that dealing with a kid whose parents went on a mad one is trivial.
But you are forgetting to consider the mental state of Eva back then. She lost her husband and her son, not to mentions all of her family, and the whole world thinks she was the one that did it just for cash.
Well yes, from the point of view of storytelling what happened is much more interesting. It's also probably closer to what would happen in real life as well, assuming such a massacre/explosion combo could even happen.
My position was not that Eva behaved unrealistically, but rather that she did a terrible thing by not telling Ange. There's a large contingent of Umineko fans who think that not telling Ange made her sympathetic for some reason and it makes no sense.
no wonder that flew over my radar, I've been saving the the party for later while beta testing the ps3 port.
gonna confirm that with SS later
maybe in another gameboard, Eva-
You could totally do both nights of Higanbana as a single cour with the perfect length, too.
I honestly, don't know much about studios, but I think Production I.G. would be nice by using Ghost Hound as an example.
Ghost Hound as been the only anime which could give me the creeps and chills with their animation. Also the way they approached metaphysical spirituals worlds/concepts it's amazing. I think this studio would make Umineko Chiru my absolute favorite.
I can't believe this thread is still alive, I wonder who's going to make the new one, and when? There's no point in doing it right now, but /jp/ is not the same without at least one Umineko thread. Oh well, this is The End. See you guys~
It is a miracle that this thread is still running
This is over.
Sorry about my autism but, I checked DA for cosplays and I thought these two are an amazing match, even in Lambda is amazing.
Speaking of which whatever happened to "Great Asian" or whatever the dude who always spammed about nip pride cosplay shit was called.
Oh well, I am not saying otherwise, but probably because these metaworld witches are so foreign to the story reality. This would mean that they look "gaijin" for the japanese on that island.
So, they are not full Japanese then? At least Beato, and why Italian, can you explain?
Well I was talking about Umineko witches but, 2hu is fine too. Yes, Marisa always felt western too don't know why.
Her grandmother was Italian. How she appears in the meta matches her imagination of course, which may just be that of the original Beatrice or her mother. On the gameboard at the very least, wearing the dress and wig when appearing in front of Maria, she definitely looks chinky as fuck.