Why should we consider Europe to be relevant? Serious question.

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Britain

(Michael "Based" Fallon)

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>>55112123
To answer your question, because we have some of the largest defence budgets and best-equipped militaries

Daily reminder that the "le badass Russian Minister of Defence" is a politician that never spent a single day in the army.
(unlike the Chinese and Iran's one, they're both generals)

It's pathetic that actual russian soldiers are content with civilians wearing their uniform.

>>55112123
our guy looks so sad

>>55112441
If I'm not mistaken, our Secretary of Defense isn't a vet either. He does have a PhD in theoretical physics though

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>>55112602
If this guy was your boss, you'd look sad too

>>55112346
wars are not won with money
want proof?
vietnam war

>>55112679
Wars are won on a number of factors, with money being one of the more important ones. Going to war is an unbelievably huge financial investment. Industry, founded on financing, is one of the fundamental routes to victory.

>>55112674
he is my boss.... kind of...

>>55112657
Does he wear a military uniform or a suit like every single minister of defence in the civilised world?

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i dont understand why politicians are appointed minister of defense and not generals

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>>55112123
It's 2015 OP.

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>>55112441
>>55112657

in one point russian Minister of Defence was Anatoliy Serdyukov former Furniture dealer

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>>55112847
suit t b h

>>55112864
not anymore
its 2016 dude

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>it's the "le women are bad" meme

>>55112679
Vietnam was lost strategically because of pussy fucking liberals. The tide was fully in our favor after we quashed the tet offensive.

>>55112123
Europe made you

be grateful and save your creators

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>>55112932
I don't think you understood me
It's 2015.
>>55112850
Civilians/the public oversee the politicians who in turn oversee the military. That's the idea at least, cbf getting into an argument over if it actually works that way

>>55112962
lol
>beating determined guerrillas
>ever
nice try

>>55112850
Separation of power.

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>>55112962

shame you didn't use nukes

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>be minister of defense
>be a communist
>waste half of the budget buying 6 tons of seafood for a party

I expected the worst, so I'm really happy with the outcome.

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>>55112850
In a Parliamentary democracy, the Cabinet ministers are by convention drawn from MPs, the elected representatives of the people. This convention exists because Cabinet is the most powerful group of people in the country, the executive arm of government.

Since Secretary of State for Defence is a Cabinet position, Defence will be run by an MP. You will often have MPs who are ex-military, and in that case, you might have an ex-military person as Defence Secretary.

>>55113016
it should be like this
>head of state is commander in chief
>commander in chief appoints a general as minister of defense, not a career politician
>minister of defense runs the army while deferring to the head of state

>>55113058
Launching nukes directly into North Vietnam, extremely close to the Chinese border, would warrant nuclear retaliation from China into South Vietnam. You can't just hurl nukes around that close to another major power and expect them to let shit slide. They would launch a nuke into South Vietnam, probably kill a lot of American troops, and then it would only escalate from there. Who would back down, especially in an extremely symbolic proxy war?

>>55113139
Why bother when you have senior military people advising the Defence Sec. and the PM anyway? And why make one of the most powerful people in the country unelected?

>>55113233
they only have power deferred to them by the head of state.

lmao i dont give a fuck you guys pay for our defense

>>55113291
In other words, they're unelected. And what about all the democracies where you a figurehead unelected Head of State, like Britain?

Also, what's bad about civilian oversight of the military? What exactly is the point of the Armed Forces if not to report to the democratically elected, CIVILIAN, government?

>>55113139
I think you're misunderstanding the actual amount of influence the MoD has in terms of how the military is run. Literally everything they do is decided by the Prime Minister, in terms of budget and a general idea of its allocation, and by respective chiefs of the branches. Often times the MoD isn't even included in meetings between senior military officials and the PM. What he does, however, is give a scapegoat, one person to pin blame on and put pressure on who in turn puts that pressure on his subordinates in the military. If they refuse, that's when he has actual power vested in him by the govt. over the military.

I would totally fug Netherlands

>>55113535
I'll take the Hitler-looking dyke from Norway.

union makes force, dude

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>>55113192

lol did chinks have nukes around vietnam war ?

>>55113642
Yes, they got in 1964. But it doesn't matter, using a nuclear weapon after 1949 would be the end of the world.

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>>55113102

Honestly, he isn't bad as i thought it would be. He actually do some shit there, the last one wasn't bad either. Even though, i still prefer someone from the Military there.

>>55113192
China didn't have nukes 'til the late 60s lad and the Soviets had their missiles well away from the borders.

>>55113642
China's first nuclear weapons test was in '64, so yes.

>Americans nuke North Vietnam
>Chinese stunned at major aggression barely over the border
>Chinese nuke southern side of DMZ
>Americans howl for commie blood
>Chinese forces stream in to support North Vietnamese
>Americans demolecularize Hanoi, begin nuclear strikes on the Vietnamese-Chinese border to stop influx of Chinese troops
>Radiation spills into southern china
>tens of millions suffer from radiation injuries, Chinese state media cannot cover up a disaster this big
>Chinese galvanized into launching more nukes into South Vietnam in response
>Soviets amass forces for assault on western europe, try to negotiate for peace
>America just lost hundreds of thousands of soldiers to Chinese nukes, they're not having it
>USSR reverts to show of force, testing nuclear weapon few hundred miles off Alaskan coast
>US shuts down negotiations, sets trajectories for maximum Soviet and Chinese civilian casualties
>USSR does the same
>all men are blind and scared
>all women beg men to stop
>children wonder what their parents are doing
>a Norwegian team launches a weather balloon into the atmosphere for research
>USSR radar picks it up as a foreign incoming object
>it all ends

F A M
>

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>>55113745

oki they did have nukes , but did they have means to deliver them >?

>>55114122
Maybe not through a silo, but they could fly a protected bomber over, or even sneak one in through the Ho Chi Minh trails. Even Operation Rolling Thunder couldn't take out the trails

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>>55114261

few tactical nukes(nuclear dynamite) and job done

>>55112123
pidr, Shoigu is not a Russian.

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>>55114618
How about we work for peace and not Fallout: Real Life? Why are you so bloodthirsty senpai

>>55112674
he called in August. he is still the president. =>Putin rules the world

>>55114122
You need to look at the big picture.
Imagine the Chinese had a "primitive" nuke or they couldn't use it. If the Americans nuked Vietnam, the soviets would nuke the countries they invaded and so on. This would start a nuclear arms race with every country around the world developing atomic bombs, H-bombs etc.

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>>55114745

war , war never end

>>55114808
I can't argue with that

>>55112972
By that logic the Middle East made us
Not very good logic

>>55114728
In English there is no word " Rossiyanin"

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>>55114808

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>>55114918
senpai no
senpai stop

>>55115134
stupid English. and Polish. and any language what does not have separate words for Russians and for Rossiayns

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>>55115218

>>55114618
>>55114918
>>55115152
Why does Austria always want war? Someone make sure Germany isn't like this too, please.

Because Europe will one day be America's new enemy, you know, since it's going to be Islamic soon.

>>55115364
I thought it was Austria too lel
It's actually Latvia.
If Austria could radicalize and militarize a powerful nearby country...

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>>55112123
hellooo ladies :^)

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>>55115364

José have many toilets did you clean today ?

>>55112806
By that you mean you proxy and shill for him

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>>55115536