Man..Japan, it's time you admit your wrong doing and put everything behind. Not just Korean, even Philippines are getting annoyed.
because all Japs are just really sensitive to criticism.
If you say something negative about Japan, they will always counter you with something negative about your own country.
It's futile to argue with them because their autism levels are high and they'll continue for as long as necessary to get the last word in.
I've seen this autistic behavior way more with Japanese posters than any other nationality.
look whos talking
the main problem is your media in hyperbole and exaggerated ideological articles on those. compare your entire media and japanese entire media.
Just because your great grandmother was a whore there's no need for her to make a sign about it.
dutch think so
the absolute fucking cucks
Still ok if only the politicians mention it, but the reality is much more shitter than that.
Except for the very small political group called "new right", both all of right and all of left media and political interest groups in korea have strong anti Japanese ideology for, ridiculously, only hyping/fooling people and making money/getting funded by doing it, and also as hivemind of their tradition and media control by their government.
In korean society, defending japan on media never ever is allowed. If they are doing that, they literally get purged from their society and instantly gel labeled as "pro japan aka 親日派" and never can come back. This isnt even an exaggeration, its just the fact. If you are still in doubt, see their records of trials and judicial precedents.
Korean Comfort Women™ is professional troop/camp followers, prostitutes organized by Korean Mafia/Government.
Do you know "Monkey House" during Korean War?
or Are you a chink agent to propaganda anti-Japan?
It wouldn't be a problem if small minorities in Japan didn't deny that they committed any war crimes. With the nationalistic feeling that's been whipped up over the past centuries, denying war crimes is equivalent to visiting Auschwitz and denying the Holocaust
>since they're massively misrepresented
Since most Japanese military records on the killings were kept secret or destroyed shortly after the surrender of Japan in 1945, historians have not been able to accurately estimate the death toll of the massacre. The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated in 1948 that over 200,000 Chinese were killed in the incident.
>On December 13, about 30 soldiers came to a Chinese house at #5 Hsing Lu Koo in the southeastern part of Nanking, and demanded entrance. The door was open by the landlord, a Mohammedan named Ha. They killed him immediately with a revolver and also Mrs. Ha, who knelt before them after Ha's death, begging them not to kill anyone else. Mrs. Ha asked them why they killed her husband and they shot her. Mrs. Hsia was dragged out from under a table in the guest hall where she had tried to hide with her 1 year old baby. After being stripped and raped by one or more men, she was bayoneted in the chest, and then had a bottle thrust into her vagina. The baby was killed with a bayonet. Some soldiers then went to the next room, where Mrs. Hsia's parents, aged 76 and 74, and her two daughters aged 16 and 14 [were]. They were about to rape the girls when the grandmother tried to protect them. The soldiers killed her with a revolver. The grandfather grasped the body of his wife and was killed. The two girls were then stripped, the elder being raped by 2–3 men, and the younger by 3. The older girl was stabbed afterwards and a cane was rammed in her vagina. The younger girl was bayoneted also but was spared the horrible treatment that had been meted out to her sister and mother. The soldiers then bayoneted another sister of between 7–8, who was also in the room. The last murders in the house were of Ha's two children, aged 4 and 2 respectively. The older was bayoneted and the younger split down through the head with a sword.
>The seventh and last person in the first row was a pregnant woman. The soldier thought he might as well rape her before killing her, so he pulled her out of the group to a spot about ten meters away. As he was trying to rape her, the woman resisted fiercely ... The soldier abruptly stabbed her in the belly with a bayonet. She gave a final scream as her intestines spilled out. Then the soldier stabbed the fetus, with its umbilical cord clearly visible, and tossed it aside.
On December 18, 1937, as General Iwane Matsui began to comprehend the full extent of the rape, murder, and looting in the city, he grew increasingly dismayed. He reportedly told one of his civilian aides: "I now realize that we have unknowingly wrought a most grievous effect on this city. When I think of the feelings and sentiments of many of my Chinese friends who have fled from Nanking and of the future of the two countries, I cannot but feel depressed. I am very lonely and can never get in a mood to rejoice about this victory." He even let a tinge of regret flavor the statement he released to the press that morning: "I personally feel sorry for the tragedies to the people, but the Army must continue unless China repents. Now, in the winter, the season gives time to reflect. I offer my sympathy, with deep emotion, to a million innocent people." On New Year's Day, Matsui was still upset about the behavior of the Japanese soldiers at Nanking. Over a toast he confided to a Japanese diplomat: "My men have done something very wrong and extremely regrettable."
That's different though, even though there's a lot of weird stuff surrounding the holocaust denying it is dumb, Nanking on the other hand has estimated losses from 40k-300k while the Chinese government just says 300k.
It is similar. Japanese scholars are vehement that it was only 40,000-80,000 and that most were plainclothes soldiers who were terrorizing the Japanese once they entered the city.
This is what the post-war military tribunal declared and it's what most scholars agree on >>55111008
The extent of the atrocities is debated, with numbers ranging from some Japanese claims of several hundred, to the Chinese claim of a non-combatant death toll of 300,000. Historian Tokushi Kasahara states "more than 100,000 and close to 200,000, or maybe more", referring to his own book. This estimation includes the surrounding area outside of the city of Nanking, which is objected to by a Chinese researcher (the same book, p. 146). Hiroshi Yoshida concludes "more than 200,000" in his book. Tomio Hora writes of 50,000–100,000 deaths.
Mainstream scholars consider figures from 40,000 to over 300,000 to be an accurate estimate. According to the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, estimates made at a later date indicate that the total number of civilians and prisoners of war murdered in Nanking and its vicinity during the first six weeks of the Japanese occupation was up to 200,000. These estimates are borne out by the figures of burial societies and other organizations, which testify to over 155,000 buried bodies. These figures do not take into account those persons whose bodies were destroyed by burning, drowning or by other means, or whose bodies were interred in mass graves.
In the 2010 Japan-China Joint History Research Committee meeting, scholars from the Japanese side set the maximum possible number of civilian victims at 200,000, with estimates of around 40,000 or 20,000. The Chinese scholars of the committee maintained that at least 300,000 were killed.
No I posted this you nigger >>55111559
They are literally the opposite of Germany. Deny deny deny.
We defend the shit out of them because Abe is a denier but he supports breaking the Japanese constitution to help our military.
>latvian riflemen was personal Lenins bodyguards
we are grateful to Lenin
so go learn history murica
You have provided zero (0) sources and have resorted to claims about "scholars" that you have not linked.
It's not that hard. Just click on the post number after you click on this post number.
I love how every country is out to get Japan all the time, and they just don't ever give a fuck. Success breeds jealously, as they say. All that's left now is for Nips to figure out how to breed in other areas.
Japanese bitches these days love our brown dick. Don't believe in me just go to Bali and see it yourselves.They don't like Japs men small penis and Japs men don't know how to treat women.
Soon enough China will be richer per person at this rate.
stay mad as east asians do your children
I've been the anon you've responded to since the start.
The Japanese state a number from 40-80k.
The military tribunal said over 200k and most scholars agree with this, including liberal Japanese scholars like this man >>55111454
The Chinese government claims 300k. But we know the Chinese government considered all of Nanking City to be part of the massacre, even the battle fought in the week before.
The number is likely around 200k.
Lel, Most of the prostitutes in Japan are from S, Korea, Philippines and China. Don't be pretending to be victims, Prostitution is Philippines and South Korea of common industry even now.
If most scholars agreed that the losses were over 200k then Wikipedia wouldn't have the losses from 40-300k.
Also I doubt many modern scholars would agree with an investigation from 1948.
Philippine ex-prostitutes even need our special apology? oh, shit. well, we would do providing that they could act like S.Koreans. it means, Philippines should be opposed to us.
by the way, we already apologized and paid.
>I doubt many modern scholars still believe the 6 gorillion. If its old then you can't trust it right xddddddddd
Did you ever progress past GCSE history? Learn to evaluate the methods and hidden agendas behind sources rather than just dismissing them because they're old
That's because almost all Japanese scholars state 40-80k.
Wikipedia tries to not be biased. If you click the links next to that number almost all are Japanese scholars.
It also says 300k, so is that just as likely as the 40k number?
You are a denialist defending Japan. It's pathetic.
That apology and money != sincere apology.
It took y'all until 1995 and a non-LDP prime minister to give a half assed apology to "those harmed by our unfortunate actions in the World War."
No you are not. You've posted ZERO sources and have done nothing but claim the MILITARY TRIBUNAL ON THE PACIFIC WAR CRIMES is inaccurate and scholars don't accept it.
Yet you post ZERO sources of scholars saying that.
>I doubt many scholars would agree with an investigation from 1948
Then explain why they wouldn't, and conversely why the 6 gorillion is almost universally accepted despite being from the same time period
I didn't say they don't accept it, I said that scholars probably don't accept an investigation from 1948 that was conducted using 1948 methods and information since they're fucking scholars.
scholars accept 1940s investigation s into the death count of the Holocaust though, the mainland Chinese media loves to draw links to the Holocaust and that just makes people like you look like imperialists with double standards, thus igniting waves of national sentiment
Shouldn't we just drop all the "sins of the fathers" bullshit and shape our opinions on current politics and the aims and ideals of countries in the present and future?
It's like getting upset at the Arabs for besieging Hungarian lands in the 1500's instead of focusing on the migrant crisis, or the whole slave reparation thing in my country.
It's ineffectual, it's aimless, and in the end it achieves nothing.
I stand with Japan. They aren't the same people as Unit 713. They aren't the same people that held Korea as vassal.
You wouldn't be accepted faggot. These are peer reviewed sources.
It just happens that the Japanese like to peer review each other's stuff.
Except that you provide no source showing they don't. People were convicted based upon this tribunal. It's as good as it gets.
Furthermore, the 2010 Joint Study between the Chinese and Japanese concluded a number similar to the Tribunal. So fuck off.
It achieves plenty, it directs hostile sentiment and unrest externally a LA Argentina and the Falklands
If it was geopolitically beneficial to drop the war crimes stuff then it'd be forgotten by tomorrow
This really, and Japan already handed out plenty reparations. I agree that they should accept what they did instead of hiding it, but they don't need to go lowering their heads to the whole world for shit that happened so long ago. Horrible things happen in war, and the Japanese were hardly the worst offenders.
I didn't say that.
But money after almost all the women have died or are about to die, is pointless. There were only 45 South Korean "comfort women" left this December 31st.
The apologies are not sincere. They are political tools. I dislike all sides in this argument because all are corrupt.
But the Japanese were the ones who invaded and killed millions. Not the ones who were killed.
You were referring to the op? This is just opportunism on the part of the women involved, they see an opportunity to get more money out of the japs, who are under enormous pressure at the moment
Except they have paid practically nothing.
Almost all the casualties of the Japanese are dead or are in their 90's.
The problem is that the Japanese are not SINCERE in their apology.
What pressure are they under now?
America now has all it wants from Japan. Their military will actively support us in any war against China now.
Japan didn't apologize at all until 1995 with their first non-LDP prime minister for a reason. They were under no significant pressure.
>being sincere when apologizing on the behalf of dead people that other dead people wronged during the most savage war in history
>be filipino politician
>notice my approval ratings are going down
>get some men to dress up as women and complain about being comfort women
>approval ratings skyrocket
>japan gives me millions of dollars in compensation
The Chinese have been bringing it up since the 70's.
Why else would the Japanese first apology have been in 1995? 50 years after the war. Not 70.
My grandmother was 18 in 1945 and she is from Tokyo. In 1995 the Japanese could have been very much sincere.
Of course. What is your point?
The Japanese waited 50 years until they had their first liberal prime minister to give a half-assed apology. They waited until 2005 to give out money and 2015 to apologize to the Koreans.
The Germans apologized in 1945.
>be Japanese prime minister
>don't have a large majority in parliament
>need to "reinterpret" the constitution
>visit war criminal shrine to piss off China and South Korea
>point out that China and South Korea threaten Japan
>"reintepret" constitution that bans foreign military operations
Read this. Japan deny their war crime recently and the Philippines are responding to this denial.
The shrine isn't just dedicated to war criminals though. And how many times have you edited your constitution? You'd change it the same way if you were in Abe's position, especially with all the American pressure.
A lot of Japanese including my relatives dislike America for doing that.
But 30 million Chinese civilians died in the war. 45 million in total.
3 million Japanese soldiers and civilians died in the bombings and war.
Nanking surrendered and the international observers even created a safe zone which the Japanese swore to respect. But they then ignored it and slaughtered tens of thousands in the zone.
Dropping the nuke was done because Japan put a lot of their war factories right in the center of the city.
If I look at this old Grandmas and than think how respectless the Japanese call them legit whores after they raped them makes feel disgust.
Japanese people are people with no remorse.
There is no need to critisize the nukes because two of them where clearly not enough.
Imagine if Merkel visited a cemetery where Mengele was buried every year. There are other shrines Abe and co could visit but they insist on the Yasukuni. Why piss off your neighbours for no good reason? This is one thing I've never managed to understand
That doesn't change the fact these women were raped and attacked by the Japanese.
They could be doing it for the fucking Indian six armed poo god for all I care.
The Japanese wronged them and have not provided a sincere apology or compensation.
Kind of hard now that almost all of them have passed away.
I know. Does that make it a part war criminal part normal Japanese soldier shrine? If someone buried Hitler with a million German soldiers, it would still be the Hitler war criminal shrine.
Abe played his people by visiting the shrine and they took the bait hook line and sinker.
Who else can promise economic revival and then have 2 recessions in three years of control?
Why do you keep letting things like this happen? I'd love to be friends with Japan but geopolitics has set us on opposing courses...this kind of action serves but only to reopen old wounds again
"The shrine now lists the names, origins, birthdates, and places of death of 2,466,532 men, women and children, including 1,068 war criminals"
" The shrine's purpose has been expanded over the years to include those who died in the wars involving Japan spanning from the entire Meiji and Taishō period, and lesser part of the Shōwa period."
Imagine if Merkel visited a shrine dedicated to millions of people and soldiers since the 1800s and people complained because a few war criminals were also listed?
No. The emperor was going to abdicate but then MacArthur convinced DC to allow the Emperor to remain for Japanese unity.
Made the occupation easier.
Does that change how he manipulated his people using the same tactics as the Chinese, Koreans, and Flips?
It literally is. Can you not read the title?
You waited till 1995 to apologize with your liberal prime minister.
You tried changing your textbooks to remove any mention of Nanking.
You then visit Yakunizi shrine.
You then finally in 2015 give the 45 living "comfort women" some money.
Wow that's such an apology.
>apologize for something dead people did to other dead people that you had no part in
If there was a mengele there then yes, it would be a problem. Nationalism 101,if there's anything that could be perceived as an insult to your country, it probably is. We're not talking about tolerant rational European countries here
In May 1994, Justice Minister Shigeto Nagano called the Nanjing Massacre a "fabrication".
On June 19, 2007, a group of around 100 Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) lawmakers again denounced the Nanjing Massacre as a fabrication, arguing that there was no evidence to prove the allegations of mass killings by Japanese soldiers. They accused Beijing of using the alleged incident as a "political advertisement". 
On February 20, 2012, Takashi Kawamura, mayor of Nagoya, told a visiting delegation from Nanjing that the massacre "probably never happened". Two days later he defended his remarks, saying, "Even since I was a national Diet representative, I have said [repeatedly] there was no [Nanjing] massacre that resulted in murders of several hundred thousands of people." On April 1, 2013, Kawamura said his position remained unchanged when the issue came up during an election debate.
On February 24, 2012, Tokyo governor Shintaro Ishihara said that he also believes that the Nanjing massacre never happened. He reportedly claims it would have been impossible to kill so many people in such a short period of time. He believes the actual death toll was 10,000.
On February 3, 2014, Naoki Hyakuta, a member of the board of governors of Japan's public broadcasting company, NHK, was quoted as saying the massacre never occurred. He said that there were isolated incidents of brutality but no widespread atrocity, and criticized the Tokyo Trials figure of 200,000.
Yes, there would be a problem. We're not talking about exhausted deradicalized tolerant European countries here, we're looking at regimes who will seize every opportunity to direct national attention overseas.
>wait 70 years until everyone is dead
>hey look we can't give a sincere apology so we don't need to give one
My grandma was 18 in 1945. She's from Tokyo. I talk to here every month.
We had an own administration where everyone could apply until 1991.
If you can prove that you suffered from Nazis then you recieved compensation.
My own Grandma got 12000 DM (Would be a worth of (8000€ now).
Her parents died in a conentration camp.
See since we are in the 21st century wr expect slightly different behavior than we did in the 11th.
It's not a strawman argument, it's true. If Japan wasn't a living breathing meme that creates your video game consoles and Japanamations then you would be supporting these women.
All they want is recognition of Japanese warcrimes (of which there are lots)
>We had an own administration where everyone could apply until 1991.
nonsense. it's S.Korea that denied such a way we suggested to compensate for Koreans. this topic is very common, you know.
Hahaha, it's not even close to that though. They aren't asking for money or anything like that, they just don't want people to rewrite their history.
If this happened to some women in, let's say, Somalia, or Cuba or some other insignificant country as far as international culture goes, would you be reacting the same way?
>implying I wont
You'll be the first against the wall
It doesnt help that war crime denial is only a few steps from embellishing the Japanese conquests as a genuine good thing for Asian peoples, which the historical record objectively doesn't show
More German people think negatively of Japan due to Japan inability to move on from past.
They officially call those women prostitutes.
They fucked them and payed them.
It was just soldiers using the service of prostitutes.
In Japanese records it's not mentioned that they were women forced into the sex with soldiers. And the payment was food and the stuff they need to survive.
You could get all the money of the world, the only thing you'd do with it is squander it on worthless shit.
You're subhumanity is in your blood, no amount of virtue signaling will change your genetics.
Humans build civilisation out of nothing.
Subhumans build nothing out of civilisation.
>Sex Slaves of the Japanese Imperial army peacefully protest against the Japanese government rewriting their history
>/int/ acts like they're niggers chimping out and says they're lazy subhumans asking for reparations
stay classy, /int/
But there are records and witnesses.
All these women want is recognition of what happened to them, they aren't looking for any material gain from any of this, just acknowledgement of what the Japanese government did to them all those years ago.
No Japanese people actually use 4chan anymore, silly.
They stopped using 4chan years ago when it became more than just a English 2chan.
The guy you're talking with is a obvious proxy user.
"Tokyo has offered repeated apologies over the issue, and says that while there was military involvement in the establishment of “comfort stations” there is no evidence its officials were involved in the abduction of women for the purpose."
"It says private brokers were responsible in some cases, and in others, the women were common prostitutes."
"“‘Forceful taking away’ of comfort women by the military and government authorities could not be confirmed in any of the documents that the GOJ (government of Japan) was able to identify,” it said in a report dated Dec 8."
Are you having a fucking stroke?
He said they nuked the cities because there were factories in the middle of them, that's the worst excuse I've ever heard and if you defend it you might actually be mentally impaired.
>and says that while there was military involvement in the establishment of “comfort stations” there is no evidence its officials were involved in the abduction of women for the purpose
Did you miss this part or what?
The entire purpose of the bombing was to destroy their war machine, which entirely supported by their over-industrialized factories mass producing war technology, which, coincidentally, was in the city centre.
>Nips are so autistic they think that because some people from their country did something bad they have to cover it up and pretend it never happened, even though it was long before their parents were born
Every single Japanese person is that loser who does whatever the older kids ask them to
that's the way it sure is. they totally believe that Germany is has changed and become so honest that it can accept a lot of refugees. meanwhile Japan is on the opposite side just like it's Germany in the past.
1944 US report stated women were deceived into becoming comfort women by Japanese agent. Only a few comfort women were truly common prostitute.
There are three options
You embrace the war crime allegations and become cucks like Germany
You apologize for the war crimes and give reparations but don't completely give in to all allegations like Japan
Or you cover up the war crimes like all big countries in every war they win
A key part of the comfort women issue is whether they were forced into it. By saying private brokers or common prostitutes were involved they are saying it was either voluntary or not their responsibility.
I did. All these women want is recognition by the --current-- Japanese government that this happened, the --current-- Japanese government seems to be covering up the fact that the Imperial government took Filipino women as sex slaves.
What I'm saying is, these women have every right to protest the statements made by the --current-- Japanese government, and if you guys weren't culture-cucks that fell for literally every meme about Japan you'd probably be supporting these women.
Newsflash: Japan isn't just funny cartoons and cool video games. It's a nation that was founded by Korean Warlords years ago and was in total isolation for years. After World War II, American officials took over the re-development of Japan and that's why it's the economic super power it is today.
Black people deserved reparations at the time. I don't know if they got them or if they were enough but you can't just commit atrocities and then say "oops, no hard feelings right?".
There are only two options: you embrace the truth or you don't. If Japan really didn't do those crimes, then they don't have to do anything. If they did, they have to admit it. There is no meta-level conflict here.
Private broker broke the low and sometimes militantly officer dont care about it because they war busy to fight.
Victims lost their right to demand when japan payed their government but japan has apologized about that and payed and give healthcare additionally.
After that Korean start to demand additional additional payment and even trial to criminals.
We payed additional additional payment but there no lows for 70 years ago crime at wartime, so its over.
Japan has the same problem that Russians have. Simple ignorance and plain refusing to even consider that they have done anything wrong, they just think that others are trying to attack their great nation's honor. Its ridiculous mindset that they have, cant accept any fact about their past that puts them into a bad light (war crimes etc.)
I have to disagree, modern russians appreciate how their grandparents protected the nation in WW2 while modern japanese don't even like the idiots who ran the nation into the ground during the imperial era.
>because their autism levels are high
this coming from the e"""""""""""""sport""""""""""""" center of the world
Or you can SINCERELY apologize, pay reparations, and not let hundreds of Japanese lawmakers INCLUDING YOUR PRIME MINISTER actively deny Nanking was a massacre and that some South Korean women were forced into sexual slavery.
It's not that difficult. America apologized to the Japanese interns in 1988 without self-flagellating.
In Bavaria they were Japan-tier with english.
I met a guy who didn't understand "yes" and "no." I had to use German.
We never deny war time prostitutes and the Philippines and South Korea are still necessary to the prostitution industry for US military is called monky house/juicy bar and Japanese. In fact, there are a ton of Illegal prostitutes from Philippines, China and S, Korea. When they will be deported, they make a new claim JAPAN IS RACIST.
The relatives of the 40 million Chinese who died in the Japanese invasion of China.
That's not being a cuck. That's accepting historical facts.
Is America a cuck for apologizing and paying reparations to Japanese interns? We don't have hundreds of politicians actively denying it happened. Unlike Japan.
Japan = say some of the words, but they do not believe what they are saying
"Tokyo has offered repeated apologies over the issue, and says that while there was military involvement in the establishment of “comfort stations” there is no evidence its officials were involved in the abduction of women for the purpose."
Have fun being a minority in a few years in your 60% white country senpai
No they literally are.
>while there was military involvement in the establishment of “comfort stations” there is no evidence its officials were involved in the abduction of women for the purpose."
I'm done with you.
Which is why people still want Japan to apologize. Because they feel that Japan did forcibly enslave comfort women, and that statements like these essential denigrate the comfort women as willing sex slaves. Interpreting the facts is obviously up to the individual, but this is why there is so much anti-japan sentiment
So if forced into prostitution for pay money is evil, what is the excuse of USA still use forced sex slaves from Korea?
Btw, ex-Korean comfort women say Japanese military bombed on Seoul, yeah that's US military. They have dementia.
Philippines and South Korea parasite countries. They can not defend their country by oneself, but tries to use victim's card to take a money from US or Japan.
I can not wait China rape both whore countries.