France vs China ?
France wins in my opinion.
"From the halls of Montezuma..."
Conventional warfare is America's domain. COIN, not so much. We destroyed Baathist Iraq in 3 weeks. Here, closer to home, we could invade and occupy Mexico City within 2 weeks. Now, that'd open up a whole can of nasty insurgency problems, but don't pretend you can slug it out country to country.
My grandfather fought the French in Vietnam in the 50s. Told me you guys were some tough soldiers.
Not sure why you would fight China. China is only able to project via ground forces in the immediate area. If France used their nuke subs they would win obviously.
The would not beat China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, maybe south korea and some others.
In reality, France is very limited in offensive capabilities. any self respecting nation could repel a french attack.
Non. French military are pretty badass mate. Look at their recent adventure in Mali. Sure they had airlift help from the RAF, USAAF and some others but it was very very impressive as operations go and wars don't happen in a vacuum anyway.. They would provide the same for the British army if needed
>le ebin counterinsurgency works meme
How many times are we going to try and fail before we give up? If you want to occupy a country you can't half ass it. If you don't have the stomach to do some serious oppression then don't start shit.
Yeah I've seen that. I've known some legionnaires irl and the French have one of the most impressive militaries currently as well as historically too. The surrender meme triggers me desu
There's a huge anti-Chinese sentiment on 4chan because of weebs.
So it makes sense that some retards in here say that France would beat China.
And China has 150 MRIV ICBMs that can reach France.
France's subs would have to go to the Eastern Mediterranean to shoot off their 40-50 ICBMs.
Libya early 2011 seven Chinese naval ships sailed with to Libya, rescued 30,000 Chinese workers, and returned to China stopping only in Pakistan and South Africa.
This war is of course hypothetical and pointless since Chinese love France, but saying China has no power projection is a retarded meme.
It actually does. Greatly.
China would never shoot first. That's why they have so few "offensive" nuclear missiles.
The vast majority of their missiles are liquid fueled and therefore have to be readied for a few hours before they can launch.
Only recently did China create a boomer sub.
Spends around 30Billion more than France.
Has one of the strongest armies in the middle east, and an increasingly powerful presence in the middle east.
One of the best navies. Arguably better than then french. I doubt france could beat japan, but I don't think that japan could beat france either. It would be a draw kind of thing.
What? The whole war thing is illogical because Chinese has no military interests in Europe. There's a reason they lack a lot of long range power projection, they don't normally invade random countries based upon "WMD" allegations.
A first strike takes out a large amount of C&C, as well as electronics, airplanes, and boomers that are not at sea.
SA is shit. They spend a lot because they buy super expensive toys and pay their men and mercs tons to not defect
Japan has a great navy and airforce. Better than France desu.
No PP though unlike France.
>he thinks any modern middle eastern country is good at fighting
>saudi arabia of all countries
If they had a couple years to pump out ships and train soldiers and to build a friendly harbor in South Africa for example then yeah they could. China has the world's largest shipyards and most shipbuilders. Not to mention a fleet of normally private cargo container ships.
They could do it and would eventually win.
China has no reason to though. They are literally surrounded at sea by America and allies. That's what they care about fixing.
How would France manage to take SA?
tell me. What is there to believe that france could do such a thing?
Apart from policing african countries, what have they done?
SA has a population of 30 million. More than baathist iraq in 2003. Do you think that France can lead an operation on the scale of the iraq war. I doubt it.
Japan has more fighters than France. Even though an F-4 is old as fuck, the French are using some old as fuck fighters as well. The Japanese F-15's have a longer range than the Rafales. They also have good BVR missiles.
I don't see how France's air force would win.
Winning in modern day is killing the enemy airforce, navy, and SAM's.
France's airforce would do that if SA's airforce is any reflection of its equally well-armed but poorly trained ground force.
France's army would then easily defeat the Saudi shitshow of a ground force.
Look at the Saudi-Yemen war for reference as to Saudi capabilities.