do you consider Turkey to be European?

>>55007288
If Greece and Russia are European, I see no reason why Turkey wouldn't be.

>>55007288
Yes

>>55007288
no, what the fuck
even we don't consider turkey european

>>55007288
I don't mind whether it's European or Asian.

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Only Anzu

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>>55007288

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>>55007452
>Using Varg as a reference

>>55007288
show me one turk that considers himself european

>>55007367
Do you consider yourself middle eastern?

>>55007452
>>55007496
Literally who is Varg and why does his name sound so silly

No, but I really don't consider them be Asian either (along with other ME countries).

>>55007496
He still has a point.

>>55007539
He's an edgy Norwegian black metal musician that lives in France.

Nope

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>>55007612
>black metal musician
>in France
this gets better

>>55007539
Norwegian musician who spent 15 years in prison for murder, he's an edgy white nationalist now

>>55007539
One the Black Metal pioneer, Norwegian, his nae means wolf in one of or most of the scandinavian languages (i do remember that "Varg" has a special meaning in swedish), famous for burning a church along with his bandmate Euronymous, which he later killed and went through years of prison for this. He's extremely racist and also a living meme if you care about heavy metal.

>>55007605
(You)

Turkey is more white than France, so yes

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>>55007522
no, turkey is a special snowflake country
we are neither middle-eastern, nor european nor asian
we are something in between both in culture and civilization

we just consider ourselves just turkish, and would have stayed as a neutral state but after ww2 the soviet union asked for our clay so we had to ally with americans and the west against the russian agression

>>55007612
>>55007664
>>55007681
Then why does he look like your stereotypical Scandinavian vegan homosexual

Here he'd get glassed just for looking like that

>>55007736
Turkey's future is toward West, get rid of Erdogan and join the EU we have cookies and migrants to share.

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>>55007778
Because he shares a split personality with a cute anime girl

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>>55007792
we have rejected the offer to join the proto-eu back in 1978
turkeys future is toward a neutral state once again, but erdoğan needs to go. we could also use a kemalist dictator to rewrite the law system and the constitution, shits fucked yo

>>55007792
>get rid of Islam
ftfy

>>55007498
me.

>>55007930
WE

>>55007888
That's like asking to get rid of christianism, something that Germany really needs to work on btw, and that takes centuries, we're still not done with it here.

>>55007288
No.

>>55007311
Reason list:Culture Religion Language History Ethnicity Location

some part of it is

>>55008143
Yeah the part that doesnt actually belong to them
Oh wait thats everything outside of Mongolia
PRAISE TENGRII

>>55008074
lithuania is a shit worthless state anyhow we should invade your country give you the great reward of death for your little insolence right now. I know people in high places and when i tell them what you said here we will fuck your country up and believe me when we find you you will beg for mercy for 50 years mate. so yeah you are pretty much fucked up. best you can do is go and hang yourself to death. that will save you from an unimaginable pain for the rest your miserable life and save your country from total annihilation mate. Whatever you want I accept. Its your choice mate.

>>55007288
No.

I would say "Give Byzantium back," but the Greeks don't deserve it. Haven't pay'd off denbts.

>>55008302
Wow
Chill Altai

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>>55007288
Are mongols european?

No and everybody who says something different is a dirty muslime or diaspora Roach

>>55007871
my nigga gets it

>>55007288
Of course not. Since slavs and balkaniggers don't count as european, no fucking way turks do.

>>55007288

who ?

>>55008740
>Finns
>Not turks

no, turks are fucking animals who should be genocided, like albanians

>>55008800
>no, turks are fucking animals who should be genocided, like albanians
you mean you want 10 million Turkish immigrants? done deal m9

>>55007311
>>>55007288 (OP)
>If Greece and Russia are European, I see no reason why Turkey wouldn't be.
I hope it's a b8. Greece is actually a birthplace of European civilization.

>>55007288
culturally: no
historically: no
regionally: no, the majority is literally on another continent
economically: no
diplomatically: lol no
common morals, standards, way of life: top fucking kek no

>>55008951
i forgot genetically: no, greece has a free pass to yurop because of history, but it is not transferable

>>55008902
kill yourself cockroach

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no fuck eu

>harm Europe multiple times throughout history
>we wuz European n shiet

fuck no

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>>55007288
Turkey should be nuked.

The Ottoman Empire was acknowlaged as an European Great Power between the 16th and 19th centuries. Later on it got reduced to dust and whole European Great Power thing went away.
Now we have the Turkish Republic , which is a growing regional power that gets to play the cards in Middle East and Balkans while having a word with Caucasus.
We had an invitation from EU back in 1978 but we rejected it in favour of staying as a neutrol power in the region that is full with bloodshed. We will most likely continue on this way but keep our alliance with NATO in order to contribute to World Peace.

Of course. Why not?

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no

>>55007288
no

>>55007871
>kemalism
"no"
Kemalist system would be equally bad with fucking sharia. What we need is freedom, USA style. Too bad there can't be "liberal dictators"

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>>55011828

>>55011828
>compares kemalism with sharia

nigga you what? jump of a bridge or something.

>>55011828
comparing kemalism to sharia.
go back to isis, retard

>>55012359
>both would cause dictatorships
>both would cause unjustice towards certain groups
>both would restrict economic and social freedom
>both dogmatic

>>55011828
IDIOT AF
you must be one of those "akp is muh democracy" libcucks

>>55012461
maybe you should learn to read. How can a person who thinks sharia and kemalism is equally bad can be in favor sharia? You would have to be either a braindead kemalist or a braindead muslim.

I mean, I understand you have to resort to insults as you have no arguments, but you can actually insult with logic.

>>55012552
nice projection, but no. AKP is neither democrat nor liberal.
>3 kemalist posts
>all three only consists of insults
what a surprise. I hope one of you samefagged, would mean there is one less kemalist retard

>>55012464
>>injustice towards trigger-happy sharia faglors who behead people in their spare time is a bad thing.

k.

>>55012464
>both would cause dictatorships
true
>both would cause unjustice towards certain groups
beheading someone and throwing someone in to jail is not same thing
>both would restrict economic and social freedom
kemalism used to have state economy because there was literally no bourgeoisie to create free economic model. today kemalism would follow USA type economy. and let's choose not to talk about social freedom because kemalism would destroy it anyway
>both dogmatic
true

>>55012553
because sharia is created 1400 years ago and backwards at everything.
kemalism is stupid in its own terms too but at least it has more modern compared to sharia so if you say sharia equally bad as kemalism this is in favor of sharia.
also i don't need to explain everything i say because you can use your own logic to understand what i'm saying

>>55008302
If you have said this unironically, then you gave me a good reason to laugh. You know that in order to get to Lithuania you should choose between these two paths.

1. Go through Russia - but that's impossible for your army
2. Go through Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine and Belarus/Poland. How would that be possible without Russia or Murica to help?

>>55012636
>>55012656
>it would be ONLY unjust towards isis-tier islamists
"no"
Hijab was banned in public places until some years ago for fucks sake. Don't play the extremes, because we all know that's not the only case.
Also comparing jail to beheads are as logical as comparing a murder to a massacre. Just because one is worse doesn't mean the other can pass.
>kemalism used to have state economy because there was literally no bourgeoisie to create free economic model. today kemalism would follow USA type economy
I agree on the first point but not on the second. I see your reasoning though.
>and let's choose not to talk about social freedom because kemalism would destroy it anyway
lğl
>>55012785
>kemalism is stupid in its own terms too but at least it has more modern compared to sharia so if you say sharia equally bad as kemalism this is in favor of sharia.
did you skip your logic classes? How does saying sharia is as bad as [Somethingreallybad] is being in favor of sharia? Being in favor of sharia means wanting sharia. I certainly don't want that.
>also i don't need to explain everything i say because you can use your own logic to understand what i'm saying
all you said was comparing "kemalism to sharia.
go back to isis". I can't possibly understand anything from that.

>>55012990
no but kemalism is derived in order to not become such beahing faglords ourselves. and now you say that kemalism is same as sharia.

true that kemalism is a dictatorship of its own and social freedoms were halted but throwing people out of buildings just because they are gay and throwing people to jail because they want to throw gays out of buildings are totally not comparable with each other.

>>55012990
cont. to >>55013116

if you really cant see the ideology behind hijab then i no longer have words to you.

>>55012990
im just saying that on 0/100 bad scale kemalism is 60 while sharia is 95.
im not kemalist but there is nothing equal about them. kemalism is the best of the worst while sharia is clearly worse than kemalism.

>>55012605
dear libcuck anon, do you really think your lifestyle opressed in kemalist system as like sharia system ?

like it or not, kemalism brings industrialization, westernization, literacy and good education in this country which you favor too. but you said 7th century hurr durr system is not bad than the kemalism. this is why your argument is idiotic.

>>55013435
that libcucks are worse then islamists or k*rds in this country 2bh.

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>>55013435
Kemal isnt considered as liberal?

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Kamalism Aka westernism is utterly cuck ideology that won't work,we need to be islamic again in order to be alpha country and regional power
we can't even fight with donkey fucking cavemens lol how can be we superpower while can't deal with terrorist?

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>>55007288
Only if they change the name back to Constantinople.

>>55013781
Yes because it worked so well the first time.

>>55013505
no they are not, they are better than islamists and kurds but sometimes people tend to forget the real situation on their countries.
the libcuck's problem is exactly this.
he has no idea about the real situation of this country so his words are just gibberish.
>>55013618
he is liberal and his dream was turning turkey into a liberal country(like france) but in reality he knew turkey was poor so he created semi state/private economy for development.
too bad his followers were retarded as fuck and tried to turn this country into authoritarian state (USSR or Nazi Germany).
>>55013781
quality bait

Any country with an Islamic moon and star is european enough for me.

>>55013947
You're the cancer killing anime

>>55014040
Nice

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>>55007288
That picture isn't accurate color-wise.

>>55013116
>and now you say that kemalism is same as sharia.
no, and how can you even get that i don't know.
I am saying they are equally bad (although with exaggeration).
>>55013164
please, do tell the ideology behind hijab and how it oppressed the woman who wears and all the other women especially those who don't.
>>55013412
>im just saying that on 0/100 bad scale kemalism is 60 while sharia is 95.
meh, of course, i don't have a problem with that, but that's only for us, irreligious people, because of our views on Islam. My point is >>55012464, as I pointed out here, bad aspects of sharia and kemalism are very similar to each other, only that they would target different groups of people.
>>55013435
>kemalism brings industrialization, westernization, literacy and good education in this country which you favor too
I don't see how industrialization, literacy and good education is connected to kemalism. They might as well come with any other ideology.
Also it is "worse than", not "bad than", just saying.
>>55013874
what is the real situation of this country?

>>55013618

semi-liberal anon. he implemented statism in economy because there's no bourgeois and industy after war but he give priority to private economy actually.

liboş( literally libcuck ) is the name of liberal, not islamist akp-voters in turkey. we call them that way.

>>55007288
I consider them being arabs. They're actually arabs, and that means a lot.

>>55011828

>What we need is freedom, USA style. Too bad there can't be "liberal dictators"

This. but average turkish citizen is too retarded and brainwashed that you can't get 1% of votes without shilling ataturk, islam or kurdism/turkism.

Also Turkey is wrong country from the very begining. There is not a single country on earth with such different ethnicities and diverse culture that has unitary system. If we had state system and had a state for kurds to live on their own how they want to live we wouldn't have pkk, kurdish problem.