>>55007539 One the Black Metal pioneer, Norwegian, his nae means wolf in one of or most of the scandinavian languages (i do remember that "Varg" has a special meaning in swedish), famous for burning a church along with his bandmate Euronymous, which he later killed and went through years of prison for this. He's extremely racist and also a living meme if you care about heavy metal.
>>55007522 no, turkey is a special snowflake country we are neither middle-eastern, nor european nor asian we are something in between both in culture and civilization
we just consider ourselves just turkish, and would have stayed as a neutral state but after ww2 the soviet union asked for our clay so we had to ally with americans and the west against the russian agression
>>55007792 we have rejected the offer to join the proto-eu back in 1978 turkeys future is toward a neutral state once again, but erdoğan needs to go. we could also use a kemalist dictator to rewrite the law system and the constitution, shits fucked yo
>>55008074 lithuania is a shit worthless state anyhow we should invade your country give you the great reward of death for your little insolence right now. I know people in high places and when i tell them what you said here we will fuck your country up and believe me when we find you you will beg for mercy for 50 years mate. so yeah you are pretty much fucked up. best you can do is go and hang yourself to death. that will save you from an unimaginable pain for the rest your miserable life and save your country from total annihilation mate. Whatever you want I accept. Its your choice mate.
>>55007288 culturally: no historically: no regionally: no, the majority is literally on another continent economically: no diplomatically: lol no common morals, standards, way of life: top fucking kek no
The Ottoman Empire was acknowlaged as an European Great Power between the 16th and 19th centuries. Later on it got reduced to dust and whole European Great Power thing went away. Now we have the Turkish Republic , which is a growing regional power that gets to play the cards in Middle East and Balkans while having a word with Caucasus. We had an invitation from EU back in 1978 but we rejected it in favour of staying as a neutrol power in the region that is full with bloodshed. We will most likely continue on this way but keep our alliance with NATO in order to contribute to World Peace.
>>55012461 maybe you should learn to read. How can a person who thinks sharia and kemalism is equally bad can be in favor sharia? You would have to be either a braindead kemalist or a braindead muslim.
I mean, I understand you have to resort to insults as you have no arguments, but you can actually insult with logic.
>>55012552 nice projection, but no. AKP is neither democrat nor liberal. >3 kemalist posts >all three only consists of insults what a surprise. I hope one of you samefagged, would mean there is one less kemalist retard
>>55012464 >both would cause dictatorships true >both would cause unjustice towards certain groups beheading someone and throwing someone in to jail is not same thing >both would restrict economic and social freedom kemalism used to have state economy because there was literally no bourgeoisie to create free economic model. today kemalism would follow USA type economy. and let's choose not to talk about social freedom because kemalism would destroy it anyway >both dogmatic true
>>55012553 because sharia is created 1400 years ago and backwards at everything. kemalism is stupid in its own terms too but at least it has more modern compared to sharia so if you say sharia equally bad as kemalism this is in favor of sharia. also i don't need to explain everything i say because you can use your own logic to understand what i'm saying
>>55012636 >>55012656 >it would be ONLY unjust towards isis-tier islamists "no" Hijab was banned in public places until some years ago for fucks sake. Don't play the extremes, because we all know that's not the only case. Also comparing jail to beheads are as logical as comparing a murder to a massacre. Just because one is worse doesn't mean the other can pass. >kemalism used to have state economy because there was literally no bourgeoisie to create free economic model. today kemalism would follow USA type economy I agree on the first point but not on the second. I see your reasoning though. >and let's choose not to talk about social freedom because kemalism would destroy it anyway lğl >>55012785 >kemalism is stupid in its own terms too but at least it has more modern compared to sharia so if you say sharia equally bad as kemalism this is in favor of sharia. did you skip your logic classes? How does saying sharia is as bad as [Somethingreallybad] is being in favor of sharia? Being in favor of sharia means wanting sharia. I certainly don't want that. >also i don't need to explain everything i say because you can use your own logic to understand what i'm saying all you said was comparing "kemalism to sharia. go back to isis". I can't possibly understand anything from that.
>>55012990 no but kemalism is derived in order to not become such beahing faglords ourselves. and now you say that kemalism is same as sharia.
true that kemalism is a dictatorship of its own and social freedoms were halted but throwing people out of buildings just because they are gay and throwing people to jail because they want to throw gays out of buildings are totally not comparable with each other.
>>55012990 im just saying that on 0/100 bad scale kemalism is 60 while sharia is 95. im not kemalist but there is nothing equal about them. kemalism is the best of the worst while sharia is clearly worse than kemalism.
>>55012605 dear libcuck anon, do you really think your lifestyle opressed in kemalist system as like sharia system ?
like it or not, kemalism brings industrialization, westernization, literacy and good education in this country which you favor too. but you said 7th century hurr durr system is not bad than the kemalism. this is why your argument is idiotic.
Kamalism Aka westernism is utterly cuck ideology that won't work,we need to be islamic again in order to be alpha country and regional power we can't even fight with donkey fucking cavemens lol how can be we superpower while can't deal with terrorist?
>>55013505 no they are not, they are better than islamists and kurds but sometimes people tend to forget the real situation on their countries. the libcuck's problem is exactly this. he has no idea about the real situation of this country so his words are just gibberish. >>55013618 he is liberal and his dream was turning turkey into a liberal country(like france) but in reality he knew turkey was poor so he created semi state/private economy for development. too bad his followers were retarded as fuck and tried to turn this country into authoritarian state (USSR or Nazi Germany). >>55013781 quality bait
>>55013116 >and now you say that kemalism is same as sharia. no, and how can you even get that i don't know. I am saying they are equally bad (although with exaggeration). >>55013164 please, do tell the ideology behind hijab and how it oppressed the woman who wears and all the other women especially those who don't. >>55013412 >im just saying that on 0/100 bad scale kemalism is 60 while sharia is 95. meh, of course, i don't have a problem with that, but that's only for us, irreligious people, because of our views on Islam. My point is >>55012464, as I pointed out here, bad aspects of sharia and kemalism are very similar to each other, only that they would target different groups of people. >>55013435 >kemalism brings industrialization, westernization, literacy and good education in this country which you favor too I don't see how industrialization, literacy and good education is connected to kemalism. They might as well come with any other ideology. Also it is "worse than", not "bad than", just saying. >>55013874 what is the real situation of this country?
>What we need is freedom, USA style. Too bad there can't be "liberal dictators"
This. but average turkish citizen is too retarded and brainwashed that you can't get 1% of votes without shilling ataturk, islam or kurdism/turkism.
Also Turkey is wrong country from the very begining. There is not a single country on earth with such different ethnicities and diverse culture that has unitary system. If we had state system and had a state for kurds to live on their own how they want to live we wouldn't have pkk, kurdish problem.
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