>>55000107 Because most members of this generation, like all generations, are dumb and lazy. Unfortunately, many traditional blue-collar jobs that paid well got transferred offshore where dumb people worked for pennies.
You really should've gone into investment banking or something like your parents always wanted.
>>55000726 >>55000228 >>55000138 >le new generation is somehow shittier than the older ones even though in every way they have proven to be superior meme xD >le wrong generation somehow I'm above all these """sheeple""" meme xDD
>>55000107 Because they're lazy and choose to major in something stupid while in college. Rather than studying something useful like STEM, accounting, or tax, they choose some useless liberal arts field. Not only that, but they also think jobs will just fall into theirs laps upon gradation. You have to actively find internships throughout your undergraduate years to build up experience. But many won't do that. Instead, they'll just say it's Wall Street's fault and blame all the corporations for their own shortcomings.
>>55000894 >but don't pretend like millennials aren't shitty. We're not, objectively every generation is better than the last. >Saving every penny you earn and not wasting it goes a long way. Not exclusive to any generation. >>55000894 >Millennials can absolutely afford a house and a car if they saved up for it. > >But they need a new computer, a new iphone, a new clothes, new video games, new action figures and useless japanese figurines, a new guitar, etc. The list goes on. Nothing to do with the generation, young people statistically spend more on fashion and entertainment than on household goods because of different interests. How about you learn some facts before you spew bullshit?
>>55000885 Liberal arts are great. You just need an angle with it. I read and talked about sweet books for four years. Then I went to grad school. I feel like I'm a pretty well-developed person.
Whether or not it's a good idea to get a liberal arts degree also depends on where you go to school. The guy graduating from Princeton with a liberal arts degree will have no problem getting a job. The guy graduating from some shitty state college will struggle. But of course part of that guy's problem is that he's not smart enough to go to Princeton in the first place.
>>55001044 >What did kids get in the 70s? An action figure. What do kids get now for Christmas? An ipad, 10 action figures, 3 sets of legos, etc. > >Go look at pictures of christmas and birthdays of then and now. You'll see 1/10th the amount of gifts. > >Millennials are spoiled little bitches, which is why they don't want to save for anything. DO you have any facts to back that up, or are you just going to spew anecdotal nonsense to feel better about yourself? If the latter, then I suggest you go to >>>/pol/ >>55000885 >Rather than studying something useful like STEM, accounting, or tax, they choose some useless liberal arts field University isn't supposed to be job training, it's where you go to learn and grow intellectually and as a person.
>>55001184 Sales Corporate Any job not requiring technical training because the majority of them will require a degree anyways by 2018 Are you going to post anything factually correct or are you just going to keep on pulling shit out of your ass? >>55001189 >narcissistic A virtue
>>55000107 Get a trade you lazy shit I'm 21 and have 2 vars and almost Enuf for a deposit on a house in west Sydney give me a break with this our generation can't afford shit or get a good job that isnt true you just want to go to university and fuck around for 4 years get a useless degree and complain that a job that pays 100K a year with no work involved will just fall into your lap I worked hard for everything I currently have no help from parents /rant over
I'm a millenial who has worked hard to be successful. I have older people working with, under, and for me, and I have to say that all the stuff about my generation being "spoiled and entitled" goes doubly for Generation X.
They're used to an employment environment where jobs grow on trees and everything you need or want is affordable with a little bit of smart saving. I'm used to an environment where you have to fight just to get a job you're incredibly overqualified for, that barely pays for food and a one-room apartment.
If you want something better than that you fucking put in the time at that job to git gud at it and make sure everyone in management likes/respects you. The older people who work with and for me really resent me for being a "kiss-ass," for "stealing their hours," for "pretending to speak Vietnamese" (which they don't know a word of, despite having lived in the country for years). That's the Westerners, anyway. My Viet friends and coworkers just think I'm a good businessman and a hard worker.
Because the manufacturing sector has gone to China. It's a shame, really. Used to be anyone could raise a family if they weren't a total fuckup. Now you need to go to university to do that. But not everyone can. Therefore the price of university goes through the roof, and we all suffer for it.
>>55001290 that's because no one knows shit all about performance in job interviews, you can absolutely score a job with philosophy at least in some big ass blown up corporation that hires constantly and in which HR doesnt give a shit anymore, just use big words and be charismatic in the interview
>>55001335 >You'd want someone who is actually well-versed in finance and accounting for that
ideally you will have communications degree doing the communicating and have some finance people check his posts, at least in finland because communications people certainly write better shit with better language than some dusty old accountant
>And the manager will just laugh in his face. That's not what managers want.
you won't believe how easy it is to argue with any degree in your favour and get a job and it's not always the fucking HR manager who does the interviewing
for fuck's sake i scored my first summer job at the age of 16 with nothing as a trader's assistant, i'm still with the company and i'm now doing proper trading with still no degree
do you seriously think HR only stares at the big words of P.h.D in your resumë and ignore the personality sitting in front of them? .
For the most part, the older people I've worked with (my job is training adults)
The 40+ are nicer people, they don't have this "you're paid to train me, so you are my servant, spoonfeed me so I never have to solve another problem again" attitude.
Our generation wants to live in a delusional little bubble where they never accept the real world for what it is and think they are great at everything.
Fat isn't beautiful bitch, you only have one job - do some cardio. (men have to do cardio, earn 6 figures, be smart and funny to be attractive to you).
Nobody's persecuting you anymore for being gay, its still weird to see two guys kiss - we don't have to think it's magical.
Being ethnic makes life a little harder, less girls want you, the police keep an eye on you, you have to be better at you job than a white person to get the same respect.
The world isn't fair, we are animals that have invented an idea because it makes us feel fuzzy inside. Emotions aren't reality, see the world for as it is or stay in your 'gender studies' hugbox and blame the patriarchy for your inability to make somehing of yourself.
How about you educate yourself before you shit up this board with your ignorance? >>55001440 The only thing that struck a nerve were your uninformed posts complaining about people superior to you. >>55001456 Of course most of the population won't get a good paying job since they're limited. >How much is this after taxes, insurances and debts? Depends per personal situation.
>>55001529 >Depends per personal situation. What will I be able to afford from this?
Proper car? House? A travel once a year?
I'm not even studied and can afford all those as a young man already.
I often think why do people even put efford in those degrees, having a proper aprenticeships pays clearly more and makes it easier to find a job (german situation I know you don't have this aprenticeship thing).
>>55001573 >I often think why do people even put efford in those degrees, having a proper aprenticeships pays clearly more and makes it easier to find a job For the last time, university isn't supposed to be job training, it's not about the pay.
>>55001576 >Investor relations jobs can allow a finance-minded individual to work within the industry without having to crunch the numbers themselves. Publicly traded companies often make use of relations specialists to pitch investment opportunities or explain standards and practices to would-be investors. For this job, you need twin talents: you need to be a "people person" with strong public speaking and outreach skills, but you also need the financial knowledge necessary to sell individuals on the benefits offered by your firm.
I'm not ignorant at all. I have an MBA and masters in tax.
>>55001741 you can also just as easily get it with pure communications degree compared to some finance degree or accounting or tax because the company is more than willing to train you the basics if you present yourself as a professional relations expert
>>55001751 Oh, you silly child. Tax is incredibly complex, and it's great to get a masters in it in tandem with an undergraduate degree in accounting. It gives you the required 150 hours to become a CPA and prepares you for the tax service line.
>>55001788 I've just never heard of a reputable school offering it is all. I figured it was like a degree in criminal justice. And I think you must overstate its benefits. I know multiple tax professors, CPAs, and CMAs. Not a single one of them has a master's in tax. Universally, theirs is in something like "Accounting and Finance" or plain accounting.
>>55001776 >pure communications degree There are people doing this? Well maybe in Finland you can get a job with this, here you are a studied long term jobless dude. Never heard of anyone with such a degree tho.
>>55001860 You don't need a masters in tax to become a CPA--it's just a specialized degree and is very helpful if you know that you want to go into the tax service line. You can just get a masters in accounting, especially if you only want to be a management accountant. Also, your professors aren't a good example, because standards have changed quite dramatically in the last few years. You used to have enough education credits to become a CPA with just an undergraduate degree. Now you need 150 hours, so most people go for their masters. Some are lucky enough to somehow fit 150 in their undergrad, but it's rare.
>>55001184 Philosophy is the highest paying of all the humanities when it comes to out of uni jobs. All governments, hospitals and large corporations have ethicists on good pay rolls. Not to mention philosophy is an incredible useful degree for anything about psychology or counseling. Plus philosophy is an extremely versatile subject that can be crossed with enormous amounts of other disciples to create a really attractive CV. It's no wonder that in my country so many people in ministries have some sort of philosophy background.
>>55000894 >Millennials can absolutely afford a house and a car if they saved up for it. Try saving up for a house in London on a £20k a year salary m8. The average house price is more than 25 times my annual wage.
>>55000808 Poland should serve the Jews because they're too stupid to have any kind of economy on their own and still have a shit quality of life anyway. Plus they're always so booty blasted for being Jew free. #genocidepoles
>>55001246 The only reason you get paid so well is because your trade is in demand. If everyone took your advice and got a trade you wouldn't have any work. You're just lucky that you thought of doing something that for some bizarre reason young people think is stupid.
in response to >>55001981, I sincerely hope some 25 year old with no tread left on her tires gets drunk and hits you going 80 MPH since every accounting major who actually gets somewhere is so fucking smug
>>55002031 That has nothing at all to do with anything I said. Everyone is far removed from the society in Plato's republic because it never existed. Also it's simplistic to think of Plato's ideal state as to actual refer to a state.
>>55002058 It's not wrong. You're not personally liable if a taxpayer withholds material information. Sure, if there was a serious fuck-up, they could sue for malpractice, but that's the beauty of LLCs and corporations. I wouldn't be sued personally.
Basically we were told we were special, that our happiness is above all, that we have to do something we love and something magical for the world.
The issue is that most of them are unaware that doing something for 40-50 hours a week is going to kill passion for most people, and otherwise people with opportunities for mid level office jobs that might be a bit mundane pass it up because they want their "calling in life"
>>55002111 It's 100% wrong. Yeah, you're not personally liable if the taxpayer withholds information, but where in the original post did it say anything about the taxpayer withholding anything? You're liable like you would be liable in most cases: when you're at fault.
People are spoiled nowadays. Our parents did shit jobs to reach the level they are at today, while we refuse to do a shit job because of pride and being spoiled. Even a prince has to bow to a king, we're no better.
>>55002032 I thank you for the kind words and you are correct in saying that my trade is in demand (butcher) but it is also in demand across the world I can go and get a good job anywhere like someone else said in this thread Alot of Youngsters lack thinking skills
>>55002212 >butcher >tfw we have a horrible lack in butchers here >tfw it was once a high respected traditional German craftsmenship that expressed the german love for meat >tfw hipster kits are vegans and shit on our long and various tradition of meat arts
>Between 2001 and 2011 the number of discotheken in the Netherlands fell by 38%. In Britain there were 3,144 clubs in 2005 but only 1,733 ten years later, says the Association of Licensed Multiple Retailers; in 2015 revenues were £1.2 billion ($1.7 billion), down from £1.5 billion in 2010. In Berlin, although the number of music venues has been stable at about 350 (120 of which are clubs), several long-established night spots have closed their doors.
>As cities gentrify, local politicians are getting stricter about clubs. Madame JoJo’s, a burlesque bar in London’s Soho, had its licence revoked in 2014 after two bouncers brandished a baseball bat at a rowdy crowd. In December the owners of Fabric at last won a year-long court battle against Islington Council, the local borough, which wanted to introduce drug-sniffing dogs. Last year in Berlin two clubs were closed down for fire-code violations.
Because people nowadays value themselves way to high up in the scale. My mother worked as a cook in a restaurant while my father was making his Master degree in Chicago. People nowadays only want jobs that are oriented towards their degree. A job is a job, is either that or living like a naked hippie in the forest while flaunting yourself over the tesis you made about Carl Marx and his views over flip-flops or whatever.
>>55000221 >Because most members of this generation, like all generations, are dumb and lazy >by far the most educated population in the history of this country Yes, there is an excess of skilled jobs in various fields and an entire generation of college graduates just refuse to work, that's the problem.
I know you think you're cool that you put yourself above your peers by regurgitating grandpa's rants, but it's comments like that which tell everyone that you're a dumbass.
>>55002746 Single mothers can work too. They did that in all history of mankind, they can do it again. Want to know how the magic work? get a single mother to keep the kids of some other single mothers, get them to work and pay the one that keep the kids. If they want to break the notion of family that is what keep them away from working, they should enjoy the consequences. 50 year old people are stubborn but they have experience. They could do any job they want if they were not so proud of themselves.
And if no one want to be a butcher or a plumber, the pay for this job will rise and you will see a single mother doing it.
If you have job undone and unemployment, no quantity of immigration can help you, it's your culture you have to change.
>>55002718 If they fought for liberty why did they have slaves? Why did they commit genocide against the indigenous population? Why did they discriminate against Asians? Why were women not allowed a say in government? Why were women discriminated against in law? How come people who didn't own land allowed a say in anything? How come only 1% of the population being rich, white and land holding before the revolution that they started ended with that same 1% being the only people allowed to vote?
>>55002906 I don't think you understand that unemployment means people are unable to find work not necessarily that they are sitting at home watching anime crying about how hard life is. In the case of people over the age of 50, businesses are often reluctant to take on older workers because they are likely to retire soon and are less likely to be able to put in the hours or overtime that a 30yr old can. As for single mothers it depends but here at least childcare costs thousands per year which will bring the income of a single mother below what it would be on welfare+ they do not get the quality time with children as much.
>>55002906 The thing is not the ability to work. Single mothers can afford a comfortable life on welfare due to the children + former husband/father of children paying thewm out for them being whores. Our system don't forces them to work because: dem keeds need da mudda - meme
those 50 years dudes are often looking for jobs but mainly get only something for short term if even. Their experience doesn't counts much since their are mainly low skilled or with a humanist degree (pretty much same as low skilled).
You would have great chances of a good life here. But well, when you want to stick to complains.
One negative aspect is that the women are maybe one of the lowest tier on this planet.
>>55003012 Its a known fact that if you want to be treated fairly and get paid well that you have to work for the government these days. The government is the only emplyment where laws are in place to make sure you dont get fucked over. Capitalism is for the ultra rich and anyone with half a brain realizes this. Luckily there are government jobs to offset this madness.
>>55003012 The formation to become a butcher is one year. If you become an apprentice you can get money from month one.
If you have a physical handicap so severe that you can't type on a keyboard or a mental retardation that make you shit in your pant, they you can't find a job. Otherwise, the fact that you are fine living on welfare play a part.
A potato tard can wash the floor. That guy in a wheelchair can work from home on a computer.
Pic related, this guy have a job. What is your excuse?
>>55003023 50 years old don't need long term jobs anyway. Philosophers make good programmers and developers because they have a logical way of thinking. At least it was the case 10 years ago, I hope it is still about the hunt for mathematical truth. Sociologists don't need much time to learn how to build a roof or anything in demand.
>But well, when you want to stick to complains. You can't see my flag or something? Of course I will complain for the rest of my life. German women are wife material and often above 8/10, you could get worse.
>>55003213 goldman sachs got caught trying to do the same thing they successfully pulled off in america in greece after the fact here in america. Capitalism is not a viable economic theory when people have enough money to buy and sell countries.
I save a little and by the time my parrent croak, I'd have enough to buy myself a very nice house. What's the point of owning a house when you're still in your 40's or younger anyway? You might find a better job located in the other end of the country the next month!
for a whole generation of people to work, have their own roof over their heads and raise a family, there has to be a system in place that functions that way
this was so back in the 1950is maybe, but by 1980is its basicaly over
once upon a time the average guy was useful to the system as a actual producer, meaning there were lots of jobs, but low living standards as this came to a stall it became obvious the production capacity is fuckhuge, but theres just not enough people to buy shit, so consumerism was invented that way the average guy became useful as a consumer, and for a while the whole system revolved around geting people to work hard then spend money on crap and higher living standards however this too came to a stall, since all the jobs went somewhere else, destruction of local industry being a typical result of liberal capitalist logic in any and all places it was ever aplyed, and continuous rise in production worldvide made shit realy cheap, so simply selling people shit, especialy unemployed people, became less and less profitable for a while this was controled trough shit like credit cards, artificialy inflating peoples capacity to buy shit, but eventualy you had to get people more and more in debt for this to work cause theres just so much basic shit people will buy, so you had to sell them 'meta-shit' like credits/mortgages and other financial derivate bullshit so today we have this retarded situation in which the average guy is useful to the system as a debitor, simply, as someone who owes money, not a worker, not even a consumer, just a guy that owes money
in other words the capitalism no longer has interest in you or me owning anything realy, all the cicles and bubbles that were about selling people shit are over, the ones that were about organising people to work are even farther away in history and probably wont come back
the whole conception of society and economy no longer makes any real sense, probably never did
so, basicaly, the story is over, the game has been played out, theres nothing left to gain, we should all just pack up and head for the country, grow pot, raise pigs or wathever, drop acid every day and breed like rabits with kalašnjikofs
thats pretty much it now, nothing else is left, except maybe wars in the near future, other than that the ride is over, even the population is dying, its all done
>>55000107 Because the net energy available to society is decreasing, therefore complexity decreases along with it. A decrease i complexity means less jobs. More people are born every day than die every day. So basically in a nutshell, society is very slowly (couple of hundred years) moving into a dark age, and every second that passes it is statistically harder to get a job than the second before it. Read some John Michael Greer for the inside scoop.
>>55004210 Sort of. But I think it'll be faster. Have you checked out Gail Tverberg, who might just be the most brilliant woman alive?
She has looked at how the financial system functions and expects the whole thing to collapse in a few years. There was a famous Iron Age collapse which happened like that, it is a function of complex, interlocked systems.
Still, the state could for now create demand to help people get decent jobs.
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