How does /int/ feel about the Treaty of Versailles?

You're gonna get some sour kraut in a few minutes :DDDDDDD

>inb4 assblasted teutons

unfair tbqh

>>54882025
idk

Feels good maine.

was too lenient

>>54882025
Treaty where Amerifats took all the credit AGAIN.

>>54882144
>leaf buttblasted that they're irrelevant
Surprise surprise

>>54882087
Why? Do you know how many people died because of Germany's aggression?

What they did in Belgium will forever be a black mark in European history.

To light on Germany

>>54882195
>Do you know how many people died because of Germany's aggression?
not enough

>>54882193
>WWI
>Canada
>Irrelevant


Your >American education is showing

>>54882025
Way too lenient on Germany because the Americans and Brits wanted to menage them.

Inflicting on Germany what Germany had done to Russia (Brest-Litovsk) would have done much to defang the Germans. Also the UK actually heping France to enforce the treaty as they should have. Or Germany paying their debts instead of weaseling out.

Obviously didn't do much good. Germany should have just been partitioned

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>>54882451
>literally a noncountry still sucking mama Brit's teats

>>54882566
>Proving my point even further

Just stop

Germany did nothing wrong

>>54882025
>germans start shit at Europe, ruining the continent forever, putting so much shit in the lands of Flandres that the soil becomes polluted with tetanus
>the french population is destroyed, society and power both
>the french want to make sure that the germans don't invade again, so they want to rightfully balkanize Germany back to before their stupid union
>Americans refuse
>Hitler rise to power and burn Europe again

As Ferdinand Foch said again : "This isn't a peace, this is an armistice of twenty years". Every kraut who dare saying that "Boo hoo hoo Versailles treaty was unfair ;_;" need to compare with the 1871 "peace" treaty where France had to give one of their wealthiest region away and pay 5 billions of franc-or for reperation.
We didn't have Uncle Sam to back us.

Fucking krauts. The cancer of Europe since 843.

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>>54882590
>most of the population still lived in cabins and igloos

>>54882113
>>54882380
>>54882549
>>54882500
>>54882635

Was the issue really that the treaty was "too lenient" or was it the fact that it wasn't enforced?

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>>54882635
>implying Alsace and Lorraine is french
for fuck sakes frog those provinces look like fucking little germany stop the ilusion that they belong to your shitty country and give them back

Went waay to light for the Germans.
WW2 didn't have to happen

>>54882719
They speak a German dialect, but they don't consider themselves "German"

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>>54882406
>not enough

The Eternal Germanic.

>>54882708
Both.

Basically the stupid thing was letting Germany believe that it was a nation.

For centuries there was no Germany. There were shitty duchies and counties who more-or-less were tied together, but spent more time fighting each other than co-existing (Hence why Alsace-Lorraine is french and not germany, contrarily to what retards say).

But then, the biggest of autists, Bismarck, decided to unite the world of Untermenschs to satisfy their superiority complex, even though Germany had no world relevancy.

What we should have done was destroying the heart of german nationalism.

It was what happened in 1945 when historical Prussia was divided between the USA and the USSR :^)

>>54882758
you can say the same thing about Austria but look how well they embraced the germans in ww2
they are just krauts in denial

>>54882708
You can argue for both. Actually enforcing the treaty, like preventing Germany from remilitarizing the Rhineland would have been a good start. But really, partitioning the whole country (at least separating the Ruhr) could have done much as well.

But at Versailles, the French were pretty much the only ones who wanted to dismantle Germany while Americans in particular so more interest as keeping it as whole as possible because of commercial considerations. The end result was a bastard treaty that did little to weaken Germany in the long run while France had its industrial heartlands devastated by the war, its usines pillaged and its mines flooded by retreating German troops.

>>54882851
Alsatians explicitly don't want to be part of Germany, though, and they were apparently very tsundere when they were annexed.

>>54882844
You couldn't really stop Germany from unifying.
The people wanted it for a while, regardless of their stupid government system, and I don't see any reason why they shouldn't have been able to.

>>54882946
I think partitioning/balkanizing the country would've actually been unjust. As it stands, Versailles would've been mostly alright if it had been enforced strictly.

>>54883096
Yeah, having the USA taking a bigger role in international affairs and clearly enforcing the treaty alongside France would have been the best option since the UK would certainly have followed suit. The American Congress chose otherwise though so we'll never know how that would have turned out.

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Reminder

>>54883276
It would have been difficult to get the American public to support taking an active role in enforcing the treaty. Many of them thought our participation in the war had been unnecessary, and we didn't really have enough of a problem with Germany to justify continued presence in Europe.

>>54883388
The only element of Germany's punishment that I think was unjust was forbidding the Austrians from joining them.

An enlarged Germany would've undoubtedly caused a lot of butthurt, but I think it would've been alright if this Germany was strictly demilitarized, occupied and forced to pay.

>>54882635
France as always 100% right.

>>54882635
>germans start shit

more like serbians

Never heard of it

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>>54882025
FUCK TRIANON FUCK TRIANON FUCK TRIANON FUCK TRIANON

JUSTICE FOR HUNGARY

FUCKING FRENCH FROGS YOUR PUNISHMENT CAME FOR THE GREATEST CRIME COMMITTED IN HISTORY I LAUGHED WHEN THE SANDNIGGERS BLEW THEMSELVES UP IN PARIS AND I SINCERELY HOPE THERE WILL BE A LOT MORE OF THIS. ENJOY THE MASSIVE INFLUX OF CULTURAL ENRICHENERS HAHA FUCKING FAGGOTS HAHA. AND DON'T THINK THE "AWAKENING" WILL COME, YOUR RIGHT WING PARTIES ARE NOTHING AND INCOMPETENT, THE DAUGHTER OF MARIE LE PEN FUCKED A NIGGER. TOP KEK M8

TOO BAD GERMANY IS DEAD ASWELL, THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES WHO SUPPORTED THE REVISION OF TRIANON T.B.H LADS

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>>54886474
This entire post is comparable to a flee ranting and raving at a dog who can't even hear him.

>>54886726
FUCK YOU I KNOW YOU ARE A FRENCH BY YOUR DISGUSTING FLAG YOU FUCKING BITCH, WHY DID YOU TILT YOUR FLAG FROGGIE?

>>54882025
Way too lenient, should have dissolved the German Empire and abolished Prussia into several states based off of historical states such as Hannover. It also should have not have gotten rid of Brest-Litovsk.

>>54882025
DER VERTRAG IST EINE SCHEISSE! SCHANDFRIEDEN!
IM FELDE #UNBESIEGT!

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>>54886474
nice try Lazlo

Germans may weep that the treaty of Versailles tarnished their pride and economy when this is the treaty they'd enforced on the Bolveshiks one year prior...

Hmmm...

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>>54890077

>>54886474
this hől

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Factually Versailles had two problems, it conceded too much to Germany and wasn't enforced even going as far as to stimulate foreign investment into Germany.
Also Britain didn't follow through with the defense agreement, and the French politicians were too weak to fuck Germany's shit up when they refused to pay and when Germany didn't respect the terms regarding militarization.
Naziboos try to paint it as something horrible but seriously, it was not a worthy peace to the saddest, utterly tragic, greatest, most destructing war the world has ever seen.

Attributing sole responsibility to Germany was nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hv4HfLQGlw

>>54890489
Attributing the greatest responsibility to Germany however is entirely factually accurate, as is attributing sole responsibility to Germany for opening the Western front in an especially cruel and horrific way through the rape of Belgium.

>>54891865
>the rape of Belgium
What a fucking meme. I honestly never heard this shit in school and we are big on blaming everything on ourselves.

>>54882025
Germans got way too easy

>>54886474
With Germans, you loose

>>54891973
Maybe if the German education system were less focused on "muh poor Jews ;_;" and more on actual history, you'd know about this.

>>54882844
Half of your country consisted of those "shitty" duchies and counties either before they were conquered by France

>>54892139
That's pretty nazi of you to say. Thanks to the Jews our class made a trip to Krakau and Auschwitz which was pretty interesting and nice.

>>54890489
>Attributing sole responsibility to Germany was nonsense.

No it's just how wars work. Do you think the peace treaty was supposed to be some kind of fair punishment based a country's "responsibility"? No, they won so they could just do whatever the fuck they wanted to do. I mean losing a war is not supposed to have fair consequences.

>>54882025
Glorious french banter

>>54882025

> No mention of the US on the cover.

Put it in the garbage.

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>>54882144

Must feel bad to always be just a neighbor to greatness.

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>>54882451
>>54882451

Far too lenient, the concept of "Germany" should have been permanently erased.

>>54892609
You don't understand. Prior to WWI there was no precedence for writing something like that into a post-war settlement. The normal procedure was -- together with reparations -- to "forgive and forget". Writing article 231 when the German Empire acted no different than any other great power of the time had to have unforeseen consequences.

>>54882719
t.

>>54882025
Complete shit and the Germans had every right to be angry about it.

>>54893390
>The normal procedure was -- together with reparations -- to "forgive and forget".
Only a German could be this historically delusional.

>>54894103
Well, you show me then the treaties that do something like article 231. Can't find anything like that in the peace of Frankfurt, or in the documents of the Congress of Vienna or the Peace of Westphalia.

>>54893390
There was no "normal procedure". There are no rules in international politics and war. It all depends on the balance of power, and when the balance is in your favor, you can do whatever the fuck you want (eg. partition of Poland). The reason why a lot of wars ended with just reparations or small land gains was because nation were rarely completely defeated. Those wars just ended, because continuing them would not be worth it for the winning side. But in wars like WWI the fighting didn't end until one side was completely unable to continue it (or at least came very close to that point), which means they are defenseless and the winner holds all the cards.

>>54894891
You still don't understand. I'm not talking about the reparations.

>>54882025

Germany needs to pay denbts.

>>54895035
We made the last payment in 2010.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/legacy-of-versailles-germany-closes-book-on-world-war-i-with-final-reparations-payment-a-720156.html

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>Good evening sir, how would you like your peace treaty

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>>54882025

Far too lenient.