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Brit bong Here.

Freelancer not tied down by work location, thinking of moving to Netherlands and renting a room or small apartment. Seems like a nicer place in general and its not so far from England. Specifically Groningen because I love cycling.

>Any UK > Europe expats willing to share their experience?
>Is learning the language before I move a must or am I likely to find a landlord who speaks English?
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>>54865824

>Is learning the language before I move a must or am I likely to find a landlord who speaks English?

In the politest possible way, learning dutch is completely pointless. They all speak English and most of the time to a better level than actual Brits and yanks.

I personally wouldn't pick the Netherlands, I find it rather dull, again I sound like a cunt but it's just my opinion. France and even to an extent Germany have a lot more going on and don't feel as sterile as the Netherlands. Although, you would absolutely need to learn French or German if you were there for an extended period.
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>>54865896
>Dull
That's cool to be honest, I'm mostly interested in a quiet, peaceful life. Plus its not like I'm tremendously far from Germany and France if I wanted some excitement!
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>>54865933

Good point, enjoy yourself!
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>>54865824
what is it you do for a living?
bare in mind taxation is higher in NL. Would suggest you ran your activities through a UK ltd company to simplify things.
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>>54866012
I draw porn

I'm earning around the UK national average, its not like I'm a business raking in lots. But I'll definitely look into the tax rates, cheers~
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>>54865824
>Specifically Groningen because I love cycling.
You can cycle pretty well everywhere tbqh, and some places in Groningen have earthquakes because of the gas extraction.
I don't know what kind of person you are, but you're probably better off in Amsterdam or Utrecht.
Everyone speaks English, so no point in learning the language unless you want to fit into a small community in the countryside for instance.
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>>54866059

Just for keks, on the tax forms what do you list your profession/company/occupation as?
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>>54866101
I forget. Something like Adult artist

>>54866071
>You can cycle pretty well everywhere tbqh, and some places in Groningen have earthquakes because of the gas extraction.

Blimey, earthquakes huh
So the whole country's infrastructure is pretty good for cycling, yea?

>Everyone speaks English, so no point in learning the language unless you want to fit into a small community in the countryside for instance.

Nice, yea I'll aim for a large town or city
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>>54866012
>bare in mind taxation is higher in NL. Would suggest you ran your activities through a UK ltd company to simplify things.

Corporate tax here is low if you can pull off a couple of tricks, so that's not a problem.
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>>54866012
I just googled it to satisfy my curiosity -- income tax up to €33k is 10.5% then it jumps up to 42%, so you'd want to keep it below that threshold. Withholding tax on dividends is 15%. Corp tax rate is 25% over there VS. 20% here, plus you understand the system / speak the language. Definitely the way to do it.

Still affects the bottom line compared to over here where you can pull up to £10k salary tax free & then dividends on top.. But it's not as bad as I thought.

Maybe a dutch anon knows how you game the system best. Also I think you have to pay something like €50 per month for health insurance over there.

Go for it IMO. NL is a nice cunt.
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>>54866134
This tbqh.
There's a reason so many companies are officially based in the Netherlands.
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Speaking of taxation, everyone speaking English is cool but will they print paperwork in English?

I guess I could just go to an English speaking accountant or something. For smaller things I have a Dutch friend in Amsterdam who could help..
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>>54866134
>>54866197
Nah lower in the UK m80s. Plus it's an easier to understand system from anons point of view.

Another angle off the top of my head is no hassle of VAT (assuming he's not VAT registered already) which I think all self employed people need to be registered for in NL. The only downside I can see is having to do a tax return in NL as well as the UK, but I think the upside outweighs that, depending on the £ volume of business he's doing.
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>>54866324
My revenue is 95% USD coming from the US. I'm VAT registered but obviously it makes such a small impact due to little of my customers being European.
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>>54866392
You'd need to look into it further but that is 100% what I would do. If nothing else because I speak English and understand the system here.

Imagine a tax return there on €xxxx salary per month & €xxxxx dividends per year would be a lot more straight forward than having to put through expenses etc. just as it would here. Plus it means you can move around or back home again without the whole hassle of changing everything (just your personal banking/tax arrangements.)

I wouldn't even worry about currency fluctuations or conversions much either given things like TransferWise etc. exist now. Presume your USD is remitted as Sterling atm?

If it made more sense to go SEPA euro for your business banking facilities - Lithuania offers 'offshore' style banking (i.e. they allow foreign corporations/residents to set up business banking.)

Hope this helps.
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>>54865824

Groningen is the shit, I've been living here for 3 years now, I don't know how old you are but I guess being a student (or at least around that age would be a plus)
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>>54866324
I live 1km away from IKEA's headquarters, this country is a tax-haven. The amount of tax he pays is really dependant on how he registers. Depending on the circumstances he'll pay income tax or corporate tax. Seeing as he's making art, which is IP, he can base his company in some off-shore tax haven and then transfer it back to his NL based company tax free.
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>>54866714
Thank you dude
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>>54866795
I'm 22. Students are great to have around. They liven up a place
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>>54866868
I'd recommend Utrecht then. It's a really nice student city. What kind of porn do you draw?
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>>54866911
Furry
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>>54866938
Well memed
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>>54866938
Good lord...
Best of luck I guess.
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>>54866801
I'm well aware it is and you have some interesting laws around royalties/IP (I think.) These tax structures tend to be for big multinationals though & I'm 99% sure you have the concept of controlled foreign corporations there, too. i.e. the IBC would be liable for corporation tax in NL if controlled from NL.

You could just lie, use nominee directors and shareholders and pay yourself a "consulting fee" like a lot of people do these days. But honestly I'd never fuck the taxman in a country like NL/UK because it could very easily catch up with you. Plus they cost several thousand to maintain per year compared to a UK ltd company.
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>>54866938
How do you make money? Do people make really specific requests, do they buy a subscription?
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>>54867021
Thanks my friend
>>54867025
At least you can be happy my filth will be produced outside your country
>>54867055
Sorry but let's not turn this into a discussion about furry porn.
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>>54866868

I recommend joining ESN Groningen it's really fun and great way to meet new people, I've joined it almost twice every year
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People always say you don't need Dutch, but that's complete bull desu.
It's very easy to get into social isolation here, especially if you don't even know how to ask someone out for a drink in Dutch.
This country does not operate in English. It will be ten times more difficult to find a job or do anything in English.

>>54866801
I studied tax law. This country isn't a tax haven due to the height of the taxes. Sure some companies make tax deals but those don't change a thing. It's mostly the fact that people can funnel money between mother and daughter companies without getting taxes that so many businesses register here, so they can ove their assets and profits around internationally and apply the cheapest tax rates they can find in other countries, by placing their daughter companies in countries with low taxes.

There is one tax benefit he could profit from if he has a relatively high income though. If you are an expat who lived more than 150km away from our borders and earns more than a certain amount of money, then he AND his employer can ask togheter that he doesn't have to pay taxes over 30% of his income. This can be done for 10 years. They say to cover his expenses for moving here.
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>>54867192
*without getting taxed
*so they can move their assets
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>>54867192
>It's very easy to get into social isolation here, especially if you don't even know how to ask someone out for a drink in Dutch.
Eeeuyy, biertje?
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>>54867192
Oh, it's now 8 years.

http://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontenten/belastingdienst/individuals/living_and_working/working_in_another_country_temporarily/you_are_coming_to_work_in_the_netherlands/30_facility_for_incoming_employees/
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>>54867192
He said he is a freelancer earning the uk average
And by the sound of it not tremendously interested in socialising
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>>54867129
>Sorry but let's not turn this into a discussion about furry porn.
I'm not talking about the content, just how you monetise it.
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>>54867329
Patreon and private commissions
A large fan following is required to make a half decent living off if it
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>>54866868
Utrecht is the biggest student city in the country desu. They have the most people in your age group and a 122 girls per 100 men. Plus the highest wages in the country.
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>>54867388
I hope they like anime
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>>54867424
Eh, Dutch comic con is usually in Utrecht because pretty much all trains in the cunt go there.
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>>54865824
>>Is learning the language before I move a must or am I likely to find a landlord who speaks English?

You'll find a landlord who speaks English, but learning Dutch is still recommended if you want to settle down in NL.

>>54865896
>In the politest possible way, learning dutch is completely pointless. They all speak English and most of the time to a better level than actual Brits and yanks.

While this is true, only speaking English in the Netherlands is a 100% guaranteed way to never intergrate in Dutch society, never to make real friendships with locals and to basically never fit in.. I think this might be more true in Groningen than the Randstad even, as there are less expats there. In Amsterdam you could just join the British society and never speak to a Dutch person ever (many expats do..), but in Groningen that'll be hard.

>>54866012
>>54866059

If you're self employed and get a decent tax-adviser it's actually not that bad.. Income tax on monthly wages is much worse.

>>54866128
>So the whole country's infrastructure is pretty good for cycling, yea?

Yeah.

>Nice, yea I'll aim for a large town or city

If you want Groningen area, you need to move to Groningen city as it's the only civilisation for miles around..

>>54867049
>I'm well aware it is and you have some interesting laws around royalties/IP (I think.) These tax structures tend to be for big multinationals though
There is no royalty/IP tax in the Netherlands. Never has been, historically.. That's why the Rolling Stones and so many artists are established here: Because royalties are untaxed, so if you publish anything being here is very appealing. No matter how small you are, there simply isn't such a thing as tax on royalties on IP.
>i.e. the IBC would be liable for corporation tax in NL if controlled from NL.

The fucking Dutch Railways are in Ireland to evade tax. Legally.
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>>54867492
>>54865896
What are you two asseaters smoking? Not every Dutch person speaks fantastic English, so you'll always miss out being capable to communicate on a higher level with a lot of people.
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>>54867461
I'm sold
Well this thread has been enlightening and nothing really sticks out that makes me want to avoid NL. Except actually moving there which will probably be a nightmare unless I can hire a van in the uk to move my stuff and do the can of in NL. And that's after I get my drivers licence
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>>54866324
Tax bro here again.

If the place where the staff decisions are made is in the Netherlands you will pay Dutch taxes.
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>>54867543
If you don't have a drivers license yet I strongly recommend you get it in the UK.
Because here they do anything to fail you.
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>>54867533
>What are you two asseaters smoking? Not every Dutch person speaks fantastic English, so you'll always miss out being capable to communicate on a higher level with a lot of people.

That's why I said: Either learn Dutch, or realise that you will never intergrate or fit in/will be condemned to some expat club for a social life.. You don't have to learn Dutch for your utilities, but you will need it for a social life in most places.
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>>54867543
>I'm sold

Did he also mention the fact that Utrecht rivals Amsterdam in all of the following catagories: Housing shortages, housing prices, illegal renting, exploitation of tenants, waiting lists and everything relating to real estate price, including rents and deposits?
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Oh yeah, in the west of the country renting a house is just as expensive as getting a mortgage.
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>>54867630
It can't be that much worse than in the UK desu, we already have ridiculously expensive housing and greedy landlords.
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>>54867630
No he did not. In currently paying £270 Inc. for a tiny room in SW London which I work out of. Getting a larger room for around the same price in nl is desirable
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>>54867712
Houses are bigger here than in the UK.
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>>54867719
But do avoid any place with a flat nearby. Like 5% of our country lives in a flat and everyone who lives in a flat just so happens to be a North African.
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>>54866187
If you pay for social security the first bracket is closer to 32% for the first 19k and then 35% for the rest until 33k
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>>54867750
Speaking of sandniggers. I got a pretty big Isis beard I'm not a mudslime but I could be mistaken for one. Would the beard be likely to put landlords off there?
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>>54866187
It's pointless to keep your income below a certain threshold. Because only the amount above X is taxed with a higher percentage.
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>>54867804
Depends on the city. In the cities in the west the landlords are free to pick whoever they like as so many people apply.

But worrying about things outside of your control is silly.
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>>54867695

I don't know. All I know is Amsterdam and Utrecht are pretty fucking awful when it comes to finding a place, especially if you lack the funds to buy.

>pic
Left=Average price of room per month, right is broken down into average price per m2. Sorted by the city.

>>54867750

Meh. Some neighborhoods or specific flats are bad, but I wouldn't worry about it too much. I grew up in the Randstad, with plenty of North Africans in my current neighborhood.. Nothing to be too afraid of, though if you've got options you might want to avoid the flats that have sattalite-dish antennas on more than 75% of appartments.
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>>54867817
It can be helpful for social benefits though.
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>>54867712
Why don't you want to learn Dutch by the way? It's really a cool, nice sounding language + it's Germanic so you wouldn't have to put additional effort in learning a new alphabet or sounds that you aren't familiar with.
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>>54867804
>Would the beard be likely to put landlords off there?

Probably not.. If you could be mistaken for a Muslims because you're brown, THAT would be the reson for being refused if anything.. If you don't look brown, they'll probably just think you're a hipster, especially in Utrecht.
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>>54865824
>not moving to fucking Bruges
It's fucking beautiful you cunt.
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>>54867933
I didn't say I was opposed to learning at all. Is just I would like to move this year so it will be something I do after I actually arrive
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>>54867976
You can be fluent in 8 months or so I think.
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>>54867933

>Polen

Poles are bro. I met quite a few that want to settle here, or already did... They seem to like NL much better than Germany, kek. One said that Germans were cold bastards that lacked a sense of community.
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>>54867937
Yea I'm pretty white with the blue eyes. I'll just be sure to wax and curl my moustache. I look much less intimidating that way
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>>54867695
it kind of can. I was looking at Amsterdam a year ago and am members of a shit load of groups on FB.
basically you need to be 'registered' (kind of like council tax/electoral roll) at an address there. Also A LOT of their housing is basically council housing. This means there's a huge grey market of people in effect illegally subletting their council houses where you 'can't register'.

The interesting bit is tho, once your in, if you wanted to be a cunt the Dutch govt then basically support the tenants much more than here. So you can basically go and register, fuck over the person subletting and get yourself into the Dutch system lol.

It seems like a bit of a nightmare tbqh. That and the fact that I found out it's quite difficult to integrate into Dutch society are what put me off (I'm in a similar boat to you workwise)

>>54867766
>>54867817
Fair enough. Also >>54867562 yeah it's the same here. It makes sense you would be taxed there - not entirely convinced exactly what would be taxed where though, given the EU regs and tax treaties. The real advantage in any sense is it makes his life easier if he moves again/for paperwork etc.
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>>54867999
Just skip learning past tense and you speed things up by 50%. :^)
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>>54866187
>income tax up to €33k is 10.5% then it jumps up to 42%, so you'd want to keep it below that threshold

Why? The increase is only over the part after 33k, so you'll still make more money if you work more. It's not like you make a loss if you work more over a certain tipping point.

>Also I think you have to pay something like €50 per month for health insurance over there.

More like €100,-, yes. Pretty decent.. Also €500,- 'own risk' portion, meaning the first few medical bills you get in a year (if any) are for your own cost.
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>>54868079
Is your own risk that high? Mine is like 260 euros a year.
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>>54868027
Actual place where work/management is done/located is key
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>>54868001
I like both the Netherlands and Germany, however Germans tend to see down on us without any particular reason.
>>54867976
Oh I see. Remember that the faster you start learning the better.
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>>54868027
>basically you need to be 'registered' (kind of like council tax/electoral roll) at an address there.
Yep. To stop illegal rent and tax evasion.
> Also A LOT of their housing is basically council housing.
Yep. The government wants to keep cities and such diverse, so that 'ordinairy folk' can still live in places like Amsterdam...
> This means there's a huge grey market of people in effect illegally subletting their council houses where you 'can't register'.
Yep. 'Ordinairy folk' usually cannot pass up on the opportunity to sub-rent their social max-€710,-/month places for much more than that legal max of €710,-..

>So you can basically go and register, fuck over the person subletting and get yourself into the Dutch system lol.

Depends on the place you live. In my city (Leiden), that could work, but in the municipality I previously lived I had to go by the municipal hall with my mums passport to register someone that was coming to live with us, as she was registered as main-inhabitant.
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>>54868079
>Why
Because UK corporation tax is 20% & NL is 25% (depending on where that is taxed) as a Dutch resident he would pay a 15% tax on dividends. So it would make more sense above that threshold to pay himself with dividends as opposed to salary.

Here in the UK there is no tax on dividends if you are a basic rate taxpayer. So you pay yourself £10k salary which is tax free, then the rest as dividends. Very tax efficient way of doing things - so I just sort of followed the same logic (although as I said in my first post, I realise tax there is higher and it's a different kettle of fish.)

>>54868149
Fair enough. So he'd be liable for the 25% and not pay corporation tax in the UK then. Either way makes sense ease/accessibility wise from his point of view most likely.
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>>54868136
>Is your own risk that high?
No, mine is like €850.. Premium is only abuot €67,- though.
>Mine is like 260 euros a year.
No it isn't.. The legal minimum is €385,-. I was a bit high with my estimation of 500, but it is a bit higher than 260 still.

>>54868163
>Germans tend to see down on us without any particular reason.

Yeah, he mentioned that.. He said that especially people in small towns in Germany would often not be pleased with Polish people, to say the least.. He was very happy that people in our area of the Netherlands where he worked were very friendly and helpful to him.
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>>54868179
>Yep. The government wants to keep cities and such diverse, so that 'ordinairy folk' can still live in places like Amsterdam...
It's a sensible policy desu. Housing over here is fucked. Just makes it more difficult for a foreigner like me or OP coming over unfortunately (/fortunately for you!)
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>>54866938
HEUMEU
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>>54868195
>So it would make more sense above that threshold to pay himself with dividends as opposed to salary.

Ah, yeah. In that sense you're right.. I thought you advocated keeping revenue down to avoid even reaching the higher tax bracket.
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>>54868195
Taxbro here.

For small business it's better not to operate from a business with it's own legal personality, as you miss out on tax cuts.
So instead of corporate tax you'd pay regular income tax plus some tax cuts on all your profits.

If you have your own business with it's own legal personality, then you have to pay yourself minimum salary of around 44k euros, from the top of my head. You can pay the rest out in dividends. But you can contact the tax agency and ask them to reduce it to 70% of your business it's income, instead of 44k.

I'm not sure but I believe the break even point where one becomes more profitable than the other tax-wise is around 150k euros a year.
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Next time I need a tax consultant I'm just going to make a thread on /int/, why didnt I think of this before
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>>54868311
Interesting. Over here it basically makes 0 sense to use anything other than a proper corporate structure, once you're earning enough to pay income tax (above £10k.)

>If you have your own business with it's own legal personality, then you have to pay yourself minimum salary of around 44k euros, from the top of my head. You can pay the rest out in dividends. But you can contact the tax agency and ask them to reduce it to 70% of your business it's income, instead of 44k.

That doesn't apply to a UK company though. Or are you just saying below €44k salary the taxman would treat any dividends as salary (i.e. not at 15%) for tax purposes?
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>>54868311
Starting a business with it's own legal personality can be useful for reducing the legal risks (aka only your business can be sued for mistakes you make and they can't touch your private capital), but tax-wise it doesn't make sense.
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>>54868435
>Or are you just saying below €44k salary the taxman would treat any dividends as salary (i.e. not at 15%) for tax purposes?

Not that guy, not entirely sure how they do it.. But if you own your own BV (limited liability structure that carries it's own risk), and are 'directeur grootaandeelhouder' (director & large-shareholder) the tax authorities demand you pay yourself at least 70% of what is considered a 'market conform' salary, which would come down to €42.000,- a year with the extra stipulation that you cannot pay yourself less than your best-payed employee.
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>>54867376
tfw hesistant to make a patreon cause I dont wanna be a sellout but the money tempts me.
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>>54868435
>. Or are you just saying below €44k salary the taxman would treat any dividends as salary (i.e. not at 15%) for tax purposes?
It's a fictitious salary. So you pay taxes over it regardless if you actually give yourself that salary. But it is negotiable for starters, businesses with low profits and if an employed person wouldn't get such a salary for the same amount of work. Our government wants to avoid people becoming freelancers for tax reasons as those people will miss out on protection from our employment laws.
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>>54868541
So your business will pay tax over it's profits, then you will pay income tax over your fictitious salary and then you can pay taxes over any dividends outside of your salary.
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>>54868517
>>54868541
Interesting. OP clearly needs to talk to a Dutch tax specialist then. I don't see how this salary/dividend issue would affect the UK company, but obviously it might affect how his income is taxed there. Might well make more sense for him just to be 'self employed' in NL rather than my initial idea then, since he doesn't need limited liability for furry porn lol.

>>54868679
Yeah 20/25% on the profits (after salary) before dividends which would be taxed at 15%. Income tax on the salary. It would make sense over here, maybe not there, idk.
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>>54865933
Then why don't you go to Switzerland?

I find it much more peaceful than the Netherlands. It's also richer and has less immigrants.
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Well god damn it, now I really want to move to the Netherlands.

>>54869040
Not the OP, but that's actually my plan in the long term. I'm training to become an interpreter for German and Italian to English.
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>>54869040
Switzerland has a lot more immigrants desu.

And the Netherlands has pretty big regions where no foreigners come and nothing ever happens. Everyone who migrates here goes to the west (North Holland, South Holland, Utrecht and against their will to Flevoland and Zeeland).
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Okay so are there three people in this thread who study/studied tax law?
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>>54869117
No, not everyone who talks about taxes studied it. But tax law is a subfaction of law and I know there are like four Dutch law students on /int/.
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>>54869154
>tfw my job opportunities get ruined by all those law students.
>tfw no protectionist maximum number of law and legal students
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>>54869233
>tfw at the toilet of my university there are lots of pedobears on the walls
>these will be future lawyers, judges and politicians
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>>54869040
Switzerland left the schengen cause they got so many immigrants. The country itself is made up out of different national groups to (as in germanic, italian, french etc)

I dont mean to shittalk Switzerland though, its a great country but theyre passing a law for a garuanteed income for all citizens, immigrating might be next to impossible.

If OP is worried about immigrants, the east of the country is super homogenous and since he's a self employed digital artist, he should be able to enjoy the lower costs of living while not being hampered by the reduced employment oppertunities.
Its a compact country and its managable to reach anything in the country in a timely manner. Given how Switzerland is mountainous I imagine it might be more difficult to get around.

Honestly its probbably best to go on holiday to the places hes considering to settle down at first, get familliar with how well received foreigners are, the mastery of english, etc. and see how hard it would be to actually stay there for a prolonged period of time and what that means as far as the laws go. THEN make a decision.
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>>54869286
Which uni?

Would be fun to see how we run this shitshow of a country wouldn't it?
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>>54869333
UvA. The den of the lion.
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>>54869367
Omhp feels

En geen stufi meer ;_;
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>>54869095
>I'm training to become an interpreter for German and Italian to English.
That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard
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>>54869453
Ik krijg ook geen stufi meer. Ik moet alleen nog mijn scriptie.
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>>54869458
Das ist das dümmste scheisse das ich immer gelesen hat.
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>>54865896
dumb frogposter
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>>54869569
I'm surprised that you can read. I thought reading shit that wasn't koran was haram.

The fucker is going to be obsolete just like an assembly line worker.
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>>54869569
*Das ist die dümmste scheiße die ich jemals gelesen habe
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>>54869661
I got forced to learn French and German by the high school Nazi's. I suck at both because we barely have any ways to immerse ourselves in it. But people who go on vacation to France a lot tend to speak French. And people who live near the German border do in fact speak German. Because most of us do have a basic foundation that makes learning it later in life easier.
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>>54865896
>France and Germany

good for visiting only, although even that is changing rapidly.
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>>54869661
>The fucker is going to be obsolete just like an assembly line worker
You realise language is constantly changing, right? As good as digital language translation may become, it simply will not be a suitable alternative to a real person, at least not in our lifetime.
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>>54869689
Is it acceptable to write ss instead of ß?

ß isn't on our keyboards. So we just get taught to write ss.
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>>54869884
Yeah, I guess like how people thought phones and video conferencing were going to make face to face meetings obsolete, meaning most people would work from home and our cities would be empty.
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>>54869884
So they can grow Tracheas in a lab but translating is too hard.

>>54869957
>meaning most people would work from home
yeah all those garbage men, builders, assembly line workers working from home. I work from home and 2 of my friend work from home.
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>>54869536
master of bachelor?
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>>54870098
Eerst deed ik HBO-Rechten. Daarna ben ik Rechtsgeleerdheid gaan doen met de master (Nederlands) belastingrecht.
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>>54870122
Fuck, nog meer concurrentie.

Hoe is het met de arbeidsmarkt of heb je daar nog niet na gekeken?
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>>54870087
Yes, because tracheas don't fucking change. Languages are constantly adapting, adding in new phrases, terms, and slang that simply doesn't translate straight from one language to another.

Human speech (depending on the language) allows a huge amount of freedom for creativity when expressing yourself, and computers simply don't cope well with human creativity.
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>>54870151
De arbeidsmarkt voor fiscalisten is één van de beste van alle studies. Volgens mij staat het op de derde positie van beste studies.
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>>54870181
Adding a new phrase for 10 dudes banging your mom every week is not an evolution of language.

http://www.ibtimes.com/ibms-watson-gets-swear-filter-after-learning-urban-dictionary-1007734

this nigga knew more slang than you
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>>54870181
Computers will surpass human creativity in the not too distant future
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>>54870272
mum*
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>>54870204
For the Britbong:
De = the
arbeid = work = hitler
mark = market
voor = for
fiscalisten = people who work with fiscal things
is = is
één = one
van = of
de = the
beste = best
van = of
alle = all
studies = studies

Dutch is really hard senpai.
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>>54870292
Well when that day comes I'll have to kill myself, though I'm taking >>54870272 with me.
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>>54870324
*markt
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>>54870349
The joke's on you I'm already drinking myself to death
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>>54870204
Second line:

According me stand it on the third position of best studies.
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>>54870478
Volgens = according
But it literally means: following(s)

As in following my logic.
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>>54870349
干貨
I think they mean "dry goods" or "general goods", but 干 (gan4) is also slang for fucking.
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>>54870537
>dry
>slang for fucking

is that because chinky winkies can't get their girls wet?
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>>54870567
Why would you make them wet? Are you some kind of beta cuck who wants to please the ladies?
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>>54870623
*inclines trilby*
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>>54870567
I think it's because 干/幹 also means "tree trunk". You probably get the connection.
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>>54870755
Why did China simplify all the moon squiggles but Japan didn't?
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>>54870981
Because Japan has better education, and doesn't need simplifications to have high literacy
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>>54870981
Probably had something to do with China having a communist revolution and Japan loving tradition.
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>>54870981
most likely japan is more traditional while china had the whole communism thing going. The chinese simplification was started under Mao
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>>54870997
>>54871047
>>54871085
I reckon they could cut down a huge amount of the kanji they use. The only reason they use it is to distinguish homophones apart right?

However many words which have kanji don't even have homophones. If they introduced spaces it would also be much easier to tell the words apart from one another (especially if sentences are largely composed of hiragana). So in that case they would only need to use Kanji occasionally.

It's beautiful and everything, but incredibly impractical. It's only a matter of time before they ditch it.
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>>54870997
>using the Chinese betabet instead of the ALPHAbet.
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>>54871277
>It's only a matter of time before they ditch it.
That's a delusion, it's an integral part of the culture. Just like Esperanto might be more practical than English for international communication but never took off.
Added bonus is that to naturalize a high degree of language control is required, which is so hard that hardly any lowly educated immigrants are able to get in.
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>>54871393
>Added bonus is that to naturalize a high degree of language control is required, which is so hard that hardly any lowly educated immigrants are able to get in.

Kek, I thought about this the other day actually. Well played Japan, well played.
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>>54871393
Esperanto doesnt even have a full vocabulary. Unlike ebonics.
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>>54871277
I don't see them ditching it but I wouldn't be surprised if today's youth knows way less kanji's than their parents

Korea really reduced the number of Chinese characters one should learn to make space for other subjects
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>>54871277
>It's beautiful and everything, but incredibly impractical

Moron speaking of things he doesn't know.

you fucking idiot, good look remembering thousands of hiragana only words.

Kanji makes it much easier to distinguish and remember things, you clearly have not studied japanese or you're a ''Japanese Language and Culture'' Uni faggot.

Fuck off abo
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>>54871488
>but I wouldn't be surprised if today's youth knows way less kanji's than their parents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNxPRBvRQg
Young people can only write less, they still know which one to choose on their phones when they input the hiragana
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>>54871488
Don't you guys exclusively use Hangul?

I've heard some people say that many young Koreans know little to no Chinese characters at all.

>>54871570
Did I hurt your feelings? :(

Here, have a tissue.
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>>54871657
Do Japanese have trouble using romance letters?
Or is it too simple for that?
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>>54871721
I'm pretty sure roman letters are part of the Japanese writing system. I assume they're taught it in school, although they probably don't practice them a lot so shitty handwriting might be prevalent.
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>>54871721
Too simple. They do have a different way of writing them, and the arabic numerals. Like how their "9" starts at the right middle, then makes the loop upwards, and ends with the swing down, while westerners generally start at the bottom and draw it in one move.
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>>54871827
>while westerners generally start at the bottom and draw it in one move.
I do it the Japanese way тbh. Can you show me a picture of your latin script handwriting?
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>>54871900
Wouldn't be interesting, as I'm Dutch if that wasn't clear already.
You're wrong that romaji are part of the Japanese writing system tbqh >>54871762. They're not normally used in Japanese language, although they do use the arab numerals when they write horizontally.
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>>54867970
I love Denmark so much,,I Really do
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