>hey now its over, its time to feast and do good deeds, and also to stop eating alcohol and try to be a good christian for once
>HAHAHA NO I CANT IM A WHORE WHO CANT GO 4 WEEKS WITHOUT ALCOHOL OR FUCKING MEAT
What happened, where did all of our faith go
Most young people completely lost their touch with faith, it makes me really sad really, I've talken to our local pastor and he also said that it makes him sad that germans only visit the church when they have to (someone of your family died etc.) and not to explore and understand the moral faith system that has made europe
Never saw one in my local church 2bh but I also live in a really small town
Yeah, they're actually religious people at least in my town, met a cool russian and polish guy at the confirmation
Europe needs a Christian revival
>foundation of european moral systems
>part of europe for almost 2000 years
>art, philosophy and music based on Christianity
>HEY LETS FUCK IT WHO NEEDS IT LMAO
Post Christian art
>every civilization independently comes up with the concept of religion
>almost as if it's somehow beneficial to have an objective moral system underpinning your nation
>LOL CRUSADES RELIGION R BAD
The only reason the West is as great as it is now is because we as a civilization have defanged religion and stopped letting it rule our lives.
Religion does not deserve any influence on society. The sooner all of them are relegated to mythology class, the better.
>Religion does not deserve any influence on society. The sooner all of them are relegated to mythology class, the better.
Because when public education is MUH GALILEO MUH COPERNICUS MUH INQUISITION KILLING FREE THINKERS-tier, they tend to miss out a lot of the context as to why the authorities acted the way they did. Add in some 19th century memes about the middle and dark ages being intellectually stagnant because of christianity and you have your fedora starter kit ready to go.
>want to become orthodox christian
>no orthodox churches in my area
A beard is irrelevant to your mental state etc. A strong belief in religion is not. People like Kepler and Newton explicitly referred to God when talking about their scientific discoveries, their faith was clearly important.
Besides, you haven't answered my question regardless. Why do so many atheists act as though science belongs to them?
The west was always great though? Europeans ruled over the world for most of the time, annexing great parts of the world and becoming strong and powerful. Heck, if you think about it, ever since europeans turned their back on religions their empires became smaller and their influence as well
Slavery became popular in yurup through hebrewic culture integration, where the Talmud deliberately states all none jews are slaves in their caste.
Thats why all the slave trader marchants were of jewish descent.
There is nothing in the bible about rights to own slaves.
Because without it they have nothing to show for their accomplishments besides morally bankrupt dictatorships.
>Vatican funding of the arts and sciences, and humanitarian efforts have nothing to do with why western civilization is great
>the most powerful western country is the most religious
>predominately atheist countries have apathetic beta male populations, are flooded with muslims and are absolutely irrelevant on an international level
Yeah, no, atheism is a cancer. Religious societies give us beautiful buildings, art, and landmarks. Atheistic societies give us steel and glass, cookie cutter cities populated by nu-males.
How does it feel to live in a failed Australia?
>tfw you remember the UK is technically theocracy
The last... 500 years or so, actually. Mostly coinciding with the discovery of the New World.
>Psalm 123:2 (New International Version (NIV)): As the eyes of slaves look to the hand of their master, as the eyes of a maid look to the hand of her mistress, so our eyes look to the LORD our God, till he shows us his mercy.
>Ephesians 6:4-6: Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.
>Ephesians 6:5:Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
>Ephesians 6:9:And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
>Colossians 3:22:Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.
>Colossians 4:1:Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.
>Titus 2:9:Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,
>1 Peter 2:18:Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
Quite frankly religion holds us back. One would note that the most heavily religious parts of this country (the South) are also the poorest and least educated.
>Quite frankly religion holds us back
Back from what, exactly? Is this going to be the part where you spout some shite about colonising space or something?
>One would note that the most heavily religious parts of this country (the South) are also the poorest and least educated.
>make up most of your military and absolutely key to US military success
>have more significant and valuable artistic and cultural output than the rest of the country combined
>are more stable and socially cohesive than the rest of the country, best black-white relations of anywhere, because of the sense of community that religion builds
when you were granted independence as a part of the british empire, like australia or canada? are you an idiot? militarily you were totally defeated. and now your country is an utter shithole ruled by and filled with niggers
Scientific progress has never been tied to or related to levels of religiousness. This is a stupid atheist meme that any sort of proper historical education dispels, along with "people thought the world was flat until Columbus". The church is the only reason why science advanced at all following the fall of Rome to the industrial revolution and capitalism, and scientists were scientists because of their faith (a desire to study god's creation) rather than despite it.
That's great, but you've still lost all credibility by criticizing atheists for no reason
>This is a stupid atheist meme that any sort of proper historical education dispels
Are you seriously implying that the Church didn't impair scientific progress whatsoever ? Ever heard of Giordano Bruno ? Galileo ?
it's thanks to monks in temples your stupid dumb anglo ass has cough syrup because some monk decided to study herbs and their effects on the body.
sweet Allah anglos are fucking stupid
even the niggers doesnt use concentration camps.
you fucking beta males sent over 500 000 soldiers to fight 50 000 boers. we strated killing you by the thousands and you got butthurt and in retaliation you started killing our women and children.
you people are filth. we still see you as filth. we are not as vocal as the jews or armenians. but when a brit speaks up about their victory over us ... we will quip in about your concentration camps that killed 30% of our population.
again you people are filth.:) like turks
Ah, I see you failed to respond to any point made in my post but rather go tangentially onto criticising us in general and ignore the fact you've been caught spouting nonsense. Well played sir.
>i know, i'll start an armed uprising against the british empire and then get butthurt when i get my shit pushed in!
What? Try actually reading my post before you sperg out.
He was prosecuted for heresy in regards to his denial of Christ's divinity and alleged diabolism, not solely for his astronomical views, which nobody would have cared about if it weren't for the other things.
He was prosecuted because other scientists of the time disputed his work on a non-religious basis. He was allowed to advocate heliocentrism as a possibility, not as established fact, but he chose to do so anyway.He turned out to be right and those other scientists and the church wrong, but his house arrest was seen as a measure against allowing what was then seen as pseudo-science spread, it was not as black and white as "he was trying to be smart and the church was scared of that so they arrested him" like people make it out to be today.
Dont worry Hans, when germany at last gets liberated in a glorious jihad from your atheist overlords you'll see wonderful and beautiful mosques erect all over germany which will be tax free.
It'll be a wonderful new age of enlightenment for the kraut
also, Galileo was allowed to continue his work while under house arrest.
And there were also political factors that played into his arrest, as the pope at that time was facing accusations of weakness in defending the church.
So? What is your point?
again a reminder. transvaal and the orange free state were very small independent countries.
we were never part of the british empire. we were invaded by them yes after the found our we had gold.
>These scientists had their work made more difficult by the church, that's a fact that you cannot dispute
and rightfully so, see , the church knows there are some forms of "knowledge" that is just too self destructive and chaotic to harness, and that is the knowledge it was tryign to prevent from being tapped into.
what do you think would have happened to the world if it was experimented with?
Do you think the world would look any different than it is today?
>the church knows there are some forms of "knowledge" that is just too self destructive and chaotic to harness
That's bullshit and you know it. I actually can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not
>we were never part of the british empire
>except after you invaded and occupied us
The church was the only reason scientists before the industrial revolution and capitalism had the ability to work at all. I was not denying that the church impeded those men's work, just saying that those cases are not as black and white as people tend to make them out to be.
Outside of monasteries there was no place in society for science after the fall of Rome, and without the desire to better understand god's creation there was no motivation either.
>posts an article written by a NY Times journalist who probably possesses the same level of historical education we do as an authority
>tries to throw around academic buzzwords like 'revisionism'
No historian believes that science and religion were ever opposing concepts, and all would tell you that the church was instrumental in preserving scientific knowledge and providing patronage to scientists in late antiquity to the renaissance. I'm not going to demand you spoonfeed me some fancy academic journal source because this isn't /his/, but you're calling me revisionist when I don't think you even know what "orthodox" thought on this subject is.
>That's bullshit and you know it.
no it actually isnt.
see, like a mature mother knows better than to let her child play with a gun, that's all that was intended by restricting "scientific" development.
But I guess the child decided to play with the gun either way.
After which you were a part of the British Empire as a part of the Union of South Africa which was a British dominion until 1961. It's clear that you want to ignore facts because they make you fucking butthurt.
>>the planet is literally dying because of our greed
That's absolutely wrong though
Do you actually think a few million tons of carbon in the atmosphere will somehow kill all life on earth ? Get real.
If our species doesn't make it, others will, life finds a way. We're not doing too bad though, technology is still improving rapidly on every front.
You pessimists never cease to piss me off
atleast ours is past. how is that 6 gorillion rapes getting along sven? your sister and your mom near the fron of the que? they salivating for that brown cock? your dad will he mastrubate to the sight of his women raped?
I like Christian morals and culture for the most part, but I think religion in general is dumb as fuck. If we could just have a non religious yet non degenerate society it would be perfect
we were an independent country since 1905. we did fight in ww1 and ww2 by popular vote. not because we had to support england. ww2 caused a civil war here when we decided to fight on the allies side.
does your lil sister cry at night because tomorrow she must take the brown cock?
do yo listen to her cries and think "ah i am so progresive! i just wish i had another younger sister for muslims to rape!"
>Do you actually think a few million tons of carbon in the atmosphere will somehow kill all life on earth?
That is what scientists are saying. I don't think life will die out and I agree that there might eventually be a solution, but technological development and industrialisation is what put us in this position in the first place.
>revisionism is bad just because it violates orthodoxy
That's pretty unscientific, friendo.
What he said isn't even revisionism anyway.
>The Union of South Africa was founded as a dominion of the British Empire. It was governed under a form of constitutional monarchy, with the British monarch represented by a governor-general
>The Union came to an end when the 1961 constitution was enacted. On 31 May 1961 the country became a sovereign republic, under the new name Republic of South Africa.
How does it feel to be so easily BTFO?
Yeah, I'm not saying I'd be ready to throw out all my electronics and undo 300 years of industrial development just to reverse climate change and pollution, I'm just saying that technological development has not been 100% a good thing.
>we were never part of the british empire
>we were never a british dominion
>both easily provable false statements
having absolutely demolished all your arguments, i'm now going to go away. bye :)
Anybody else spend the last 5 days binge drinking and catching beads??
>we were never part of the british empire
>we were never a british dominion
Quebec also believes this and you can make an argument that European-decedents in UK colonies were never subject to much in the way of suzerainty.
we were occupied territories.
brittain decided we are dominions
what you decided and what really happenes isnt the same thing.
after 1905 english were btfo of south africa :)
but what ever makes you sleep better at night hey!