The Evangelical Lutheran Church, Finland's official state church, tweeted on Saturday that Christian symbols don't belong at racist anti-refugee demonstrations. The church is now being sued.
Do people forget that Jesus was also a refugee?
The refugees aren't Christian and don't have the same values as Christians. They will force you to become Muslim if they gain enough numbers to do so and it would still only take a small but committed minority.
>Do people forget that Jesus was also a refugee?
>mfw people actually believe this
>mfw before Christmas some of my retard "friends" on fagbook posted stuff like "Jesus too was a refugee" or "St. Nicolaus was a Turk"
>mfw these people are allowed to attend university
>mfw they got pissed when I corrected them
>>mfw they got pissed when I corrected them
So Jesus was born in a stable for fun? His family fled to Egypt after he was born not as refugees but just for fun?
>The Gospel of Luke makes no mention of this event at all, relating instead that the Holy Family went to the Temple in Jerusalem, and then directly home to Nazareth. It is generally accepted by scholars of the Jesus Seminar that both Luke's and Matthew's birth and infancy accounts are fabrications. A theme of Matthew is likening Jesus to Moses for a Judean audience, and the Flight into Egypt does just that.
Jesus wasn't a refugee. He wandered around so to spread the message of Christianity. Also I think he stayed in his country (Roman Empire).
I think the reason some people use Christianity in anti-refugee demonstrations is that many refugee are Muslim. So there is a "culture clash" going on.
In the future who knows what Europe will look like? Christian, atheist, Muslim or all 3???
He was an Anatolian and he punched Arius in the face for denying the Trinity. He also is associated with anonymous gift giving after he threw gold into some kids window which is why he gives out presents on Christmas/St Nicholas day and also in "Secret Santa" swaps.
Santa Claus literally means "Saint Nicolas". Please tell me that Turkey knows about Santa Claus....
It depends on what you mean by SJW.
Christianity is not pro-LGB. Its not even pro-genderqueer. It doesn't believe in gender equality or that all religion are equal. It also can be very authoritarian. It does believe in feeding the hungry, caring for the sick and sheltering the homeless though.
Also the original application of "Social Justice" was from Early Modern Jesuits....but Christian social justice (pro-life, dignity of worker, family as the foundation of society) is very different than secular social justice (have sex whenever and whoever you want, gender is whatever you want to identify as, individual is the foundation of society).
Trying to mash very ancient traditions with modern conceptions like "sjw" is anachronistic.
Are you kidding, of course we know, we have a statue of him in his home down of Demre.
I was just wondering since the Turkman needed to ask.
Back when Santa Claus was alive, Anatolia was Greek and part of the Roman Empire. Back then I guess Demre was called "Myra". So sometimes he's called "St. Nicholas of Myra".
I wonder what he would say if we transported him to modern day Turkey? He would probably say "where did all the Christian Greeks go"?
>not cutie with long blonde hair, milk skinned and with blue angelic eyes.
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>He would probably say "where did all the Christian Greeks go"?
"Elhamdullillah I am Muslim." as most Turks are converted Greeks kek. either way we celebrate him but not tied to religion even though we call him "noel baba". Turks don't celebrate Christmas but celebrate new years as if it is Christmas with the same traditions.
No its not its just a cartoon image. Nobody knows what the real Christ look like but traditionally Christian use the image of the Shroud of Turin. But that is controversial because some modern testers say that shroud came from middle ages of Palestine...not ancient Palestine. Hmmm....but the tradition remains.
Because he had no human father and only a mother, he probably looked a lot like his mother named Blessed Virgin Mary and you can see her on the tilma of Guadeloupe. The closest thing we have to a real picture of Mary.
Nothing about Islam is less compatible with modern Western values than Christianity
It's just that Christians don't actually practice Christianity while some Muslims still practice Islam
Interesting the original St. Nicholas was a huge fighter for orthodox (small o) Christianity and was willing to punch Arius right in his face for suggesting that Jesus was merely adopted son of God and not a co-eternal Son.
What would he do to a Muslim who said Jesus was just a cool prophet and not at all God? I think he would punch him twice. Not smile gormlessly with a bell. What is next, saying St. Athanasius of Alexandria has nothing to do with Christianity and just wants to smile and wave at Egyptians?
Muslims still honor Jesus I thought? Just as a prophet not as God. And Jesus wasn't passive. He accepted his death but he was harsh toward hypocrites and toward those who shame his father's house. Passive when passivity was needed, aggression when aggression was needed.
Also I am pretty sure they converted because Ottomans killed them otherwise. They did the same in Albania too.
Lots of Christians practice Christianity. yeah there are nominal Christians but that doesn't mean nobody practices Christianity.
What do you consider to be """"modern Western values""""?
They can't force Christian to become Muslim but they can murder lots and lots of Christian and in fact they have been doing that all over Middle East for a while now.
Not ALL Muslim do this......but yes, some do. Sad but very true.
>some pregnant woman finding refuge in an empty barn so she can give birth is the exact same thing as healthy able-bodied adult men from Bangladesh, Mali, Somalia, Yemen, etc. pretending to be Syrians and walking to Germany because Greece, Serbia, Croatia, etc. don't give them enough welfare money
Can't you read the signs? They are apologizing "oh sorry the Church treat you bad", "oh sorry Christian treat you bad" etc.
In reality of course, the Church just doesn't believe in sodomy or gay marriage etc. Personally I don't think that is the same as treating people bad. But that is what these Christian are apologizing for....that Christianity is not "sjw".
Self flagellating is the definition of SJW, no matter why you're doing it. I was raised in a very conservative Christian home, the whole concept of original sin was used very much like how SJWs use "privilege".
Jesus was a Jew, a Palestinian, a Socialist, a Communist, a SJW and a Revolutionary Leftist.
I feel like original sin and privilege are almost the opposite.
Privilege is something you have that is good. that makes your life easier. Able body privilege, class privilege, etc. They say "Check your privilege" when you assume that everyone has it easy as you.
"Hmm that looks bad, you should go to the doctor"
"Check your privilege, not everyone has the money to go to the doctor or the mental ability to leave the house".
Original sin is a state of separation from God. It makes life harder. That said you remove it on baptism so for actual Christian, Original Sin is not an issue so much as concupiscence (another problem which makes life harder, not easier).
"I want to drink and party instead of helping the poor".
"That is because of concupiscence, the inclination of all human beings toward fleshy appetites"
Not the same at all.
"Self-flagellation" is not the definition of SJW and nor do most SJW self-flagellate. Nor do most Christian self-flagellate. Self-flagellation is a specific type of mortification of the flesh. Disconnecting yourself from bodily comfort in order to reach greater spiritual depth, you might hit yourself or wear uncomfortable clothes or sleep on the ground. For many great Saints it did work but it also made their health suffer. It was popular for a long while in medieval era but now no longer is. Ironically, it fell out around the same time that Christian social justice came popular.
Everyone is affected by the original sin, that goes completely against the idea of SJWs concept of privilege according to which some people have it better/easier in life than others. Also, I'm Orthodox, the original sin simply refers to the fallen state of man. You only need to repent for the sins that you commit yourself.
He was Jewish (ancient Hebrew different than modern Jewish) and Palestinian, but he wasn't socialist, communist, sjw (by modern definition) or leftist.
Big difference between asking select people to give to the poor, and saying "the government should seize all property and forcibly redistribute it to create a classless pseudo-utopia". One is classic Christian charity. The other creates horrible tyrannical shitholes and is a product of the mid modern era.
Yes, the background behind original sin and privilege are different. But you are still made to feel guilty about existing everyday of your life because of it. I would know, I was raised in it.
But nobody is free from patriarchy. SJWs constantly find privileges to whine about. You literally cannot escape Patriarchy for SJWs, because it'd mean not everybody needs their ideology, just like if you could escape original sin then it means not everybody would need Christianity. It's totally a way of using guilt to keep people trapped in their ideology/world view. If you leave feminism, you are a privileged shitlord and an oppressor and will be subject to witchhunts. If you leave Christianity, you are a sinner who is guilty of crimes from before you were born and are damned to hell for all eternity because of it.
So the only similarity to you is that you "feel guilty". By that logic, any system or morality at all is "sjw" because you might "feel guilty". When your mom says "why didn't you clean your room? you are grounded" then its sjw because you feel guilty.
Whaat? That aside, original sin is removed by the waters of baptism. ALSO you aren't impressing me by saying "I know because my mom and dad were Christians". I actually am a Christian and live in it 24/7. I don't think its guilty every day 24/7...more likely its realism. I feel guilty when I do something wrong. But imho I should feel guilty when I do something wrong.
I think SJW is less about guilt and more about pride. Fat pride, gay pride, trans pride, womyn pride, black pride etc.
1) Original sin is removed, permanently, with baptism. Even if you leave Christianity, original sin doesn't magically come back. Its gone. If you want to get rid of all your original sin, right now, have a roommate or close friend or mom dump water on your head and say "I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Amen". Original sin gone.
2) Original sin is different than actual sin. Its not the same as being guilty of a crime. Its just a state of separation from God that is removed upon baptism. Original sin, alone, also doesn't send you to Hell. At worse, according to some Christian tradition, it sends you to Limbo.
Also I left feminism (went through feminist phase in college, even shave my head, it was an embarassing time) and never was called privilege shitlord or oppressor. Nobody cares. You are getting way way too absorbed in the "culture wars". Take a step back.
What I was taught in church is that we all need Jesus, without exception, because we're are imperfect because Adam and Eve chose to sin. That sin is why we are damned to hell unless we accept Jesus. And I wasn't taught that you're still excused from original sin if you leave Christianity. I was taught you still go to hell like the vast majority of the planet that isn't Christian.
People leave Christianity all the time. You said yourself you were raised in it but you left. You weren't trapped.
Also people leave feminism or sjw movement too. Saying you are "trapped" in sjw or "trapped" in Christianity because "I might feel guilty" is such BS to people who genuinely are trapped in a certain belief system, such as Islam or Communism, who are killed for betraying the party line.
I spent 10+ years outside of the Christian Church and went into fedora atheist territory, when I came back I wasn't made to feel guilty at all, just had to say 3 Our Fathers and its "welcome home". I left feminism years ago, never looked back, and never cared a bit other to roll my eyes at choicer bs.
We do all need Jesus, and yes, because we are separated from God. That is why Jesus, after his death, descended into Limbo to free the souls trapped there.
The reason why you go to Hell is because of actual sin though. Not original sin.
>you are a sinner who is guilty of crimes from before you were born and are damned to hell for all eternity because of it.
I already told you. I'm Orthodox, we don't believe in that. The original sin refers to whatever resulted with the fall of mankind. The goal of Christianity is the restoration of man and unification with God. Plus, once a Christian goes to Confession, and does it properly, he has literally no reason to feel guilty about anything until he sins again. And even then, it's almost sinful to turn to despair and self-hate, he is to remain hopeful and optimistic.
This is why I called you silly, because you already made the decision in your head that SJW = Christianity and you'll go through any kind of mental gymnastics (referring to the rest of your post) to confirm the supposed connection to yourself and others.
I'm not ignoring Hell. Hell means very little to a non-Christian. Hell is the absence of the Christian God. What does that mean to a non-Christian?
The very fact that people leave Christianity all the time is proof that "Hell" doesn't trap people in Christianity. Your connections to "SJW" are getting more and more convoluted.
I'm not going through mental gymnastics. You're just testing your Orthodox Christianity like it's the only valid form of Christianity. I'm going based off of my lived experiences.
And I was taught that is was literally impossible for humans to not sin, because of what Adam and Eve did. So is there much of a difference? We are imperfect and sin because of original sin.
Not what I was taught. I was taught in a literal lake of fire, not am absence of God.
>And I was taught that is was literally impossible for humans to not sin, because of what Adam and Eve did. So is there much of a difference? We are imperfect and sin because of original sin.
Its not impossible to not sin, St. John the Baptist, the Blessed Virgin Mary, etc. never sinned. Also once again you are confusing original sin with concupiscence. Original sin is removed with baptism. Concupiscence might incline you towards sin, but you don't need to bow to it. If you do falter and sin, then you simply have those sins absolved.
>Not what I was taught. I was taught in a literal lake of fire, not am absence of God.
An absence of God is far far worse, a lake of fire is only an illustration. Also, once again, what does Hell mean to a non-Christian? The fact that people leave Christianity all the time shows that Hell doesn't trap anyone. What does Hell mean to you? I know it meant very little to me when I left Christianity.
Also nobody cares what you were taught if you weren't taught mainstream Christian teaching. Some Christians are taught everybody goes to Heaven and gay marriage is A-OK. Protestant Christianity is famously very broad. I am sticking to the Christianity taught by Church.
>an attempt to trap people in a belief system?
Has it maybe occured to you that religious figures actually believe in the existance of hell? That, maybe, I don't know, it's not all a massive boogeyman conspiracy, but an actual belief?
>your Orthodox Christianity like it's the only valid form of Christianity.
>I'm going based off of my lived experiences.
But you lived with heretics, friendo.
>We are imperfect and sin because of original sin.
The human body is imperfect. Does that mean that life itself is SJW?
It's the same with feminists too though, they honestly believe in their shit and don't believe it's designed like that to trap people in it. And I don't even believe it was deliberately designed like that either, it's just Christianity was successful because it happened to have that characteristic.
>muh no true Christians.
>Also, once again, what does Hell mean to a non-Christian? The fact that people leave Christianity all the time shows that Hell doesn't trap anyone. What does Hell mean to you? I know it meant very little to me when I left Christianity.
Holy shit how can you be so dense? I'm not talking about what it means to non Christians. Im talking about what it means TO CHRISTIANS. It can only trap you into the belief system if you believe in it in the first place. The point is that it's supposed to deter people from leaving, which evidenced by how far it has spread compared to other religions seems to be evidence that it worked. Don't you, personally, think he'll is a terrible place and don't want to end up there?
>Also nobody cares what you were taught if you weren't taught mainstream Christian teaching.
It was a regular megachurch, so idk why it wouldn't count as mainstream. Everything they said was backed up by Bible verses. This is just more
>no true Christian
You can make similar claims with most ideologies and religions. They all present the cause of misery (sin, privilege, desire, (socio)economical inequality, racial inequality), tend to point fingers at who's guilty (Satan, yourself, the patriachy, capitalists, nobles, Jews, etc.) and offer you a solution to end all the misery.
>no true Christian
Calling yourself a Christian implies that you hold specific beliefs. Not holding those certain beliefs disqualifies you as a Christian. The "no true Scotsman" fallacy is based on a trait that someone is born with regardless of his behaviour and opinions (being ethnically Scottish). North Korea calls itself a democratic republic, but if someone says that it isn't that, would you respond with "muh no true democratic republic".
>It doesn't believe in gender equality
Oh but it does. Christianity teaches that the soul is what really matters, since the flesh is weak, and that all souls are born equal- whether they're born as male or female in flesh.