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>mfw I ruined a whole country
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>>54084509
is that real life
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South America is the greatest argument against leftism
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>>54084509

leftards
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>>54084509
Who is this? And what did she do?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_exse84EPI
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>>54084549
would you give back Malloweens Islands to her
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Why?
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>>54084509

Did she?

Disfrutad del neoliberalismo de Macri, que en 5 años, cacerolazos de nuevo.
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>>54084555
pretty much this.

>>54084615
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, our ex-president

>>54084715
She and her minions literally stole everything they could steal, brainwashed millions of people and started a big mafia, literally the most corrupt government in our history.
Also, she almost established communism
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>>54085211
tu disfruta de las ''''''''''''''maravillas''''''''''''''' del socialismo, Venezuela Europea
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Hey guys what's going on in here.
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>>54084509
Argentina will become great again! Gommies out!
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>>54085510
btw Brazil, what happened with the trial against Dilma?
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>>54085461

crazy how she has smiled so little in her life, she only has frown wrinkles.
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>>54085211
Macri will make Argentina great again
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>>54085561
It is stuck in Congress. It will hardly happen, the government is too fat and corrupt to do something.
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wasn't argentina already shit since early 20th century?
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>my country is ruined
You are literally what's wrong with your country
Deck yourself
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>>54085619
She did smiled
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>>54085211
t. Juan Carlos Monedero

>>54085672
This
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>>54085742
nope, we were great in the 30's and 40's when we traded with nazis
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>>54084509
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>>54085742
Not really, it has gradually become shittier during the last decades.
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>>54085866
Virgin
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>>54084509
Why would you make your beautiful presidente look ugly? I love her.
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>>54085383

Aun no. Además, Podemos ya no es Venezuela. Eso era antes. Ahora es Iran. Cuando gobiernen, si llegan, la caverna mediatica subirá un peldaño mas el shilling y Pablo será el nuevo Kim Jung-Il .

Tu asegurate de que tus amados dólares siguen siendo dolares yankis en 5 años, que igual no, truchito.
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>>54084509
shh, shh, it's ok, it's over now.
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>>54085952
> I love her.

we give her to you as a present :^)

>>54086002
>MST
>literalmente cancer

los zurditos de cotillón como tu son los que han cagado la civilización occidental
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>>54084509
JUST
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>>54086088
Oh my lad, i can't hardly take it anymore
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Argentina has always been shit.
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>>54085841
>tfw ywn get to hatefuck merkel in her prime

I envy the dead.
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>>54086088
Populism mostly due to mestizos shit-voting
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Underage NEETs please leave. We were even worse before the Kirchners took the power
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>>54085711
me on the left.
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>>54084549
reminder that she was wearing make up in that pic :^)

>>54086423
not at all, Duhalde left the power with the country running, and Nestor has a decent presidence, but Cristina just fucked up everything.
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>>54086088
This is sad, what went so wrong with you guys?
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>>54086541
DEMAND REPARATIONS
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>>54086694
socialism/populism
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ARGENTINIAN REICH WHEN?!
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>>54086088

What the fuck happened to those railways?
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>>54086565
Im talking way before duhalde, shes not the only one to blame
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>>54086835
nah, I give you that, but she's guilty anyway
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>>54086797
Probably torn up and sold for scrap metal
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>>54086797
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>>54086797
most are there but dont work anymore OC
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>>54085619
>>54085461
she always reminds me of the queen in disney's basil the mouse detective that was an evil robot
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>>54086797
Menem happened.
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>>54084509
jew>?
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Nah

We were fucked since the UCR in goverment days a hundred years ago
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>>54086980
I can't unsee this now.
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Cold War fucked us good
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>>54086088
Holy shit Argentina I-I'm sorry, I never knew.

I'll never bully you again
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>>54087005

>He raised as a Muslim, but later he and his son left Sunni Islam to become Roman Catholics.[5] His first wife Zulema Yoma did not convert and remained a Muslim.

I thought you fags were white
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>>54086797
A cockroach called Menem

Fucking turk man
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>>54086002
>>54086002
Not true, CUP shill
http://www.elmundo.es/espana/2016/01/20/569fee9eca4741a00d8b456e.html
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>>54086797
Menem ruined the train system so he can give more jobs to syndicalist-corrupted fat truck drivers
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>>54086088
Yes. One of top five economic "JUST"s
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>>54087239
>I thought you fags were white

and you're wrong, we're just spics, maybe a little more light skinned that other countries, but still spics
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>Kirchner
>Merkel
>Dilma

Talk about a decade of female heads of state JUST getting their shit fucked up
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>>54084509
What about Macri?
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>>54087417
don't forget Hillary, the next US president
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>>54087417
Soon hillary will join this group
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>>54087460
Same level of state intervention of economy than Kirchner

It will fail miserably
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>>54087301

>CUP shill

I'm neither a catalan indepe nor a commie warrior that happily votes in a conservative government.
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If Argentina had, not a great, but a stable economy, it would be #1 country in the entire Americas.
Looks really comfortable from a globe, huge, scattered population (low density)...

>you will never EVER live in Patagonia
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>>54087417

What happened to the based female heads of state?
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>>54086088


argies should print this and show it evverywhere in your cunts, in newspaper, tv ads, billboards, social media etc., maybe politicians regain conscience
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>>54087866
my auntie is croatian
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>>54087947
they became liberals/lefties, that happened
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>>54087866
We are 40 million in totak

And 20 million are in Buenos aires

Patagonia is not populated at all
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aguante europa

muerte a los amerindios
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Cristina made some things better, some things worse, and she left in a peaceful (but retarded and butthurt) democratic transition

Just a standard issue bad president that every country has and nothing like the militares or M*n*m
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>>54087947
i'm waiting her reincarnation
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>>54084509
You are in good company...
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>>54088130
Julio A. Roca dindu nuffin
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>>54087417
Don't forget Bachelet.
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>>54087947

She gave all power to Hassbergers and 404'd Castille.

That's what happened.
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>>54088433
When will spain decide who will be its next president?
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>>54088402
But Chile is the Prussia of South America, people silently listen to classical music and never obnoxiously blast it in the street. The people are white and tall and there is no wealth inequality
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Still no this song ITT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEMUsC8ppU0
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El racismo en la sociedad argentina-"europea" es mucho mayor del que yo pensaba. Y esto lo hace notar no solo en el trato diario hacia quienes son amerindios o latinoamericanos, sino que marca las diferencias en la política de manera muy visible. Ninguno de ellos acepta juzgar por igual a blancos y a negros. La corrupción es solo posible en los segundos.

>Los problemas sociales, políticos y económicos argentinos, se van a terminar el día en que se juzgue por igual a la corrupción de los ricos y de los pobres, de los europeos y de los amerindios, de los peronistas y de los no peronistas. Los sectores dominantes de la sociedad argentina, o sea los europeos, únicamente ven delitos de corrupción cuando son perpetrados por latinoamericanos y amerindios. No los ven, no los quieren ver, no los pueden admitir porque tocan sus propios intereses, cuando son perpetrados por empresarios perfumados que juegan al golf y que están integrados a los círculos sociales de los acomodados.
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>>54084555
>south america
>leftist

south america is the greatest argument againts amerifat intervention policies
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>>54088587
*raggaeton blasting in the horizon*
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>>54088028
>>54088062
This is why Argentina is GOAT SA country.
If I'd move to Argentina, it would be Neuquén, Chubut or Cordoba. Freeze and maintain sheep in the south, or something more white collar in Cordoba
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>>54088787
>its a blame all of our problems on america post
I'm thinking about a career in politics just so I can ruin foreign countries, sounds fun 2bh
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>>54088787
no baiting pls
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>>54086951
>Under the presidency of Carlos Menem, Argentina radically changed its economic policies moving from a more Import substitution industrialisation-orientated model towards neoliberal shock therapy and the Washington Consensus under the supervision of the International Monetary Fund.[39][40] Much like under the classical liberalism of the late 19th and early 20th century, under these plans, Argentina would sell off most of its state assets at extremely reduced prices, among them the railways

>shockterapy
>neoliberalism
>sellpeoplespropertyyatnexttonothing.avi
they did the same shit here to our industry,
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>>54088953
>CIA a gud boy
>we dinu nuffin

fucking yanks
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>>54085905
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>>54088975
what's wrong with selling almost bankrupt companies?
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>>54088975
>mfw even today dumb faggots fall for the "neoliberalism" meme
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I'M FROM BUENOS AIRES AND I SAY KILL EM ALL!
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>>54089037
>We'z a gud cuntry, we dindu nuffin
>We wuz gettin our economy back on track n shiet an turnin our livez aroun
>Its da wytt manz fault
AJAJAJA mi signora
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>>54085742
>Argentina
>shit before the 50's
Choose one.
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>>54088513

Nadie lo sabe.

Cualquier dia de estos si Pedro Sánchez dice SI a ser dulcemente cuckeado por Pablo y los barones territoriales del PSOE le dejan.

Si no, nuevas elecciones. Salvo que los barones territoriales del PSOE y los banqueros y mercados y tal cuckeen a Pedro Sánchez y formen gobierno con Mariano, que es otra posibilidad.
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>>54088975
They made companies profitable and then they sold them cheap dirt to friends of politicians.

And they even put our shit Peso into an 1-1 equivalence with the fucking US Dollar

Free market my ass
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>>54089146
stay mad and in denial yank
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build nuke, every time cia invades, drop them on washington
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>>54088975
yeah, we could blame neoliberalism all what we want, the problem is that socialism didn't work either...
we have to attack the main problem, and that's the corruption installed in the society
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>>54086088
It hurts.
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>>54088975
Neo-liberalism is a helluva drug.
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Argentina must purge all the non whites and liberals. Only the will it be first world.


Trust me I'm from Buenos Ares and I say kill em all
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>>54087947
>tfw she always cuck me in civ
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>>54089093
I can't say for capitalist societies but what happened in the post commie one's was either:1 outside company has people on the inside in management (or even the management itself) that fakes unprofitability so "state" has an excuse to sell it at ridiculous prices and then magically return to profitability a couple of years later, this is what happened to most of oil refining bussiness which was sold to locals then quickly resold to foreign big oil for 10XXX the money
2 the state company is profitable but sold anywhay to either a conman who sells it for scrap(this happened here a lot) or bigger company who is in the same field but buys it sells it for scrap so it's not longer a threat: this happened a lot in our steel manuf and esp agricultural sector where irigation was sold off as scrap
economic ruin and servitude is the goal.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOVTzBRZ9ws

>mfw will never EVER be a raycist anti communist country again
it's over
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>>54088975

It's the prize for freedom, mate.
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just fuck me country up

http://theinteramerican.org/dilmish-101/
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>>54089538
literally what
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I meant this >>54089474 for cocaineman>>54089084
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>>54089538
Dude
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>>54089496
Argentina was the New Rome, the Fourth Reich, the second coming Hitler, the revival of the white man, the rebirth of the Renaissance and the yoke at the heart of conservatism and traditionalism

What went wrong?
>inb4 america
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>>54089146
i'm sorry man, i don't mean to imply that latin american didnt JUST itself but you can't seriously pretend that the US doesn't have A HORRIBLE history of blind interventionalism in the region.

you guys fucking acted like it was your fucking back yard for half of a century.
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>>54089594
she always says this kind of shit no one understands, theres more in the link
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>>54089603
So if those companies were so well run, why did the whole commie block ended up the way they ended up?
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>>54088816
You're always welcome here, bro
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>>54089538
2deep4me

>>54089668
Oh no, we love covert operations and controlling others
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>>54089665
https://youtu.be/MZuOZGHUeOE

1926, aristocrats chilling with Weimar's Republic chancellor, Hans Luther.


This country desperately wanted french and british money, they even tried to make Buenos Aires look european by copying their architecture.

That plan failed and we were left alone, the aristocracy eventually fell and ''''''the people'''' got into power. This country was never meant to be populated by 40mil persons
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Trump and Macri will BTFO the world lads
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>tfw beased as fuck Margaret Thatcher will never rise from the grave and restore the UKuck to its former glory.
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>>54089736
becase the eastern bloc had planned economies

you are probably stupid and think planned economies are the same as state owned buisness
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>>54089736
Why are you so nitpicky, Jorgito? The man obviously meant that in a Keynesian "full employment" ideal, as is the case with our robbed and impoverished shitholes. As the homo post-Sovieticus and homo post-Titoicus believes: a good economy is an employed one, no matter the paycheck, the production means/costs, productivity and such
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However many years later, was expropriating YPF "good" or "bad?"
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>>54089900
hey, m8 if you have to resort to bash me to make a point, you must be a pain in the ass to have a discussion with.
>>54089920
>jorgito
stop watching spanish tv, Dragan
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>>54089976
>dumbass doesnt know economy
>pls dont call me a dumbass
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>>54089969
Well it's always good to own resources but after it was expropiated the gasoline price went up. So it was a bad thing
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>>54089969
bad as fuck, it's producing only losses
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>>54089806
I disagree. It was never meant to be populated by 40 million people with such a large centralization. Of course you can't develop much in the first and second sector when half of your country lives in the capital. No potential there
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>>54089806
Weimar republic was a pathetic non nation at the time though, should have looked for American help in the new world (before we went CIA tier after WW2)
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>>54089976
>stop watching spanish tv, Dragan
telenovelas are addictive, I cry everytime
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>>54090042
That's what I meant with you
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>>54089976
>stop watching spanish tv, Dragan
I am the man of my house. I bring food on the table. I am the emotional pillar of this nuclear social pact.

LA soap operas are my escape. You won't stop me
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>>54090148
We were really pro axis in WWII economically wise , we got into a lot of trouble for that. The allied didn't want us to commerce with them.

The americas even acussed us of trying to form a Nazi Block down here. We always choose the wrong side, we didn't have people with a good and clear vision of the future
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>>54090251
>>54090194
are soap operas really popular in eastern europe?
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M A C R I
A
C
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>>54088270
Is that Platini?

What the fuck, didn't he used to be UEFA head?

hahahaha god damn you Europeans are retarded.
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>>54090251
>LA soap operas are my escape. You won't stop me

CUTE
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>>54090748
what your media says about him?
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>>54090566
If you don't have news or commercials, it's either Turkish or Mexican soap operas. Three years ago, before our TVs started buying rights to air Turkish soap operas, you had 5 hours of non stop Mexican soap operas, usually from 14:00 to 19:00. They'd air in succession. This is how I learned a bit of Spanish I know today, and "soy tu madre", "me voy a matar" and "rata" our favourite catchphrases.

Every high school girl used to say "ay dios" or the three above, accompanied by a "trš" (trsh) (phrase of getting slapped) to imitate those tense soap opera "deus-ex-machina" situations

Now we use "čok guzel", "evet" and other Turkish phrases we find funny
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>>54091092
He is too white, you guys should have elected a Bolivian or Paraguayan to be fair
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>>54091092
Basically nothing, tbqh.
I've heard he is trying to liberate the economy out of its chains and bring Argentina back to the world stage, so that's nice.
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>>54089538
She is a genius, people just don't get it
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>>54091180

Well, .... , fugg :-DDDDDDD
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>>54084509
How is your country doing with your new president?
I heard a lot of good thing...
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in her youth would you ?
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>>54091609
he did a lot already in a short amount of time, he's a good goy tbqhf
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>>54088402
Bachelet is pretty cool compared to those 3. You have to admit it.
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>>54091658
Kek, cant wait to fight alongside my Argentinian brothers for israel in the coming world war
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>>54088975
>Import substitution industrialisation-orientated


this is the cancer of latin america, developed countries are EXPORT ORIENTED

also some companies should remain state companies ffs, how the fuck do you sell railways, whats ironic is that football transmission in argentina are state owned

JUST
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>>54091641
probably, but then again i have no standards.
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>>54091770
The problem with every left wing economy is they dont focus on productivity and expanding wealth, they focus on redistribution and sharing it
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>>54086694
>>54086797
>>54087208
>people don't even know that Argentina was once first world anymore

What can you do, Argentina? Going to /lat/ only shows the sad decadence of your culture
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>>54091770
>how the fuck do you sell railways
Auction them?
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>>54084509
Would
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>>54092122
we could use it to teach the product of so many years of socialism though, it would be useful for other countries maybe
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>>54092028
t. someone who does not know what "left wing economies" means
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>>54086402
>Master's
>in Women's Studies

Serves it right.
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But Macri is a meany poopy head. ;_;
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>>54086423
this. only edgy right wing teenagers thing like OP
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>>54092208
That, and the comparison with post-Pinochet Chile are economic experiments of enormous importance for the future of all societies.
LatinAmerica is a very useful lab for Economic Policy and Politics in general.
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>>54091658
Good to know, i always had great expectations from Argentina...
Soon Bolsonaro will be elected and South America will change.
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>>54092315
*think sry
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>>54092312
>mfw literally purging sub humans whose job is pure burocratic garbage

based
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>>54092215
Sure thing lad, the greatest problem of the American economy is our awful productivity but most people are too focused on wealth inequality and more easily realized tangible issues to notice these things and chimp out about sharing the wealth and raising taxes
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>>54085841
nb tb h
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Argentina had resource-based economy and one day resource price has dropped and people of Argentina realised they have nothing more to offer to the rest of the world.

You blame only socialism, I wonder why don't you blame russians for supporting of left movements and ruining of your country
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>>54092460
They had industry
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>>54092342

Only of the risky ones, tbqh.
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>>54092342
my dad lived in argentina in the early 80s during ridiculous monthly inflation crisis. he said he'd receive his paycheck and have to spend it immediately because in a week it would be rendered worthless. he said he paid the equivalent of $20 for rent one month.

he went to a store to buy a whiskey bottle. the store was completely bare and he took it to the clerk at the front. the clerk refused to sell it to my dad who asked "why?"

"because i straight up have no idea what it's worth. but when this clusterfuck is over, i'm still gonna have that fucking bottle."

as an economist he said it was like being inside the greatest experiment in runaway inflation ever.
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>>54092312
Good
Get rid of those parasites.
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>>54092416
>but most people are too focused on wealth inequality
but wealth inequlity is an actual problem in America?

its even worse in Latin America, besides, neoliberalism is purely a right wing ideology
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>>54092460
>I wonder why don't you blame russians for supporting of left movements and ruining of your country
Because there is no longer a URSS.
Today's leftist force come from south America "Foro de São Paulo". Since FARCS had being defeated and Chaves die. Leftist had being lose power.
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>>54091747
She's not completely terrible, but she's still a mediocre president obsessed with copying Merkel.
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>>54092547
That's crazy, wow
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>>54092312
>telesur
it's like watching russia today for info about european sanctions on russia
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>>54089806
I think it was the jews that destroyed you for their own benefit, afaik you have the largest jewish population in south america. they love ANYTHING centralized wheter communist capitalist monarchist etc
they all probably live in your capital ,don't they
my advice,start killing them at random,start at the top,so people think it's a rich>poor thing make them fear you
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>>54092312
see this >>54092412

those people weren't ''workers'' at all, they got big salaries just to sign a paper or seal forms, some of them not even went to work, they were a huge waste of money for the State
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>>54089230
FINALLY ONE GOOD POST
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>>54092647
They just want free stuffs. Commies and jew politicians come to poor people and accuse successful people of steal from them.
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>>54092647
What's the problem with inequality? Sweden itself has one of the largest wealth concentrations on the planet.
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>>54088975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVUu0vT1Tuk

"we privatized, television, telephones, instaled the toll road, concession of the railways, the privatization of radios, and the airways privatization"

"nothing of what should be state owned will keep being state owned"

mfw some people would still vote again for him
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>>54092653
I think what she is doing with education is good though. Chile's only major problem is inequality of opportunities and she is addressing that the most.
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>>54092754
low wages, importing most goods from developed countries, and auctioning natural resources, which, happens in neoliberalism is actually stealing tho
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>>54092773
It shouldn't. It's not the government's role to manage and own companies.
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>>54092460

Russians didn't really support leftist movements in Southamerica. Cubans did.

Also, Argentina's economy was fucked by pseudo-fascists (Peron/Evita), Military Junta, and Neoliberals (Menem and succesors).

A few did get really fucking rich during these times though.
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>>54092755
>What's the problem with inequality?
>people cant afford anything
>no reason for other people to produce anything
>no economic growth

really senpai?

america 50's and 60's economic boom was caused because there was a small inequality gap
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>>54092880
neither is the role of foreign multinationals tbqhwy
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>>54092342


chile's success is due to copper remaining state owned, a vestige of allende, that amerifucks wanted to undo with pinochet

of course, economic freedom also contributed. its about having a balance so that private and public sector both tap the money not at the expense of the other
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>>54092890
At least five of FARC high command studied in the USSR. Even one of them went on training to former Yugoslavia.
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>>54092842
I would not disagree. But those pricks only do this for their own benefit.
Communism never worked, and will never work.
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>>54092924
Yes it was caused by one factor alone and that was the small inequality gap, not like that isn't an outcome of other economic factor and not a cause of one...
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>>54092984
Yes, it is.
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>>54093065
Check the news. There is no longer URSS.
The entire capital that keep leftists alive come from corrupts politicians.
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>>54092755
Sweden is not unequal. It's one of the most equal and homogeneous countrie sin the world.
Well, it was until the refugee crisis.
Inequality is known to lower the stability of the country, increase crime and divide the political life of a society.
That doesn't mean you necessarily have to tax the rich to give to the poor, that's a mediocre short term policy. What governments should do is promote education and development of opportunities. We should not address inequality of income but inequality of opportunities.
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>>54093080
>Communism never worked
>implying we ever had comemeism
>only communism and capitalism exist

s-m-h t-b-h
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>>54088787
Various European nations suffered far more from WW1 and WW2 and easily bounced back into first-world conditions, as did Japan.

The CIA interventions were shitty and do feel like kicking something when its down. South Americans had centuries before them to develop into rich world powers given the same advantages (new world land, resources, immigrants) the USA had. By the early 20th century South Americans should have been sailing the deep oceans with big fleets and cucking others with power and intrigue

It's one thing to be knocked off a pedestal, a great power falling like with Rome or Spain, it's another to never climb it to begin with
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>>54093138
>check the news
you better check the post stream
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>>54092924
>inequality means poor people getting poorer
When will this meme end?
Everyone is better off now than they were in the 1970s, and yet the gap is larger.
Also, the American growth was not cause by only one factor and, if it were, it surely wouldn't have been income equality.
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>>54093129
>yes, it is
why are yu in a thread about how neoliberalim ruined argentina then?

>>54093111
what other factors? brotip, all of them relate to small inequality
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>>54089898
>tfw beased as fuck Margaret Thatcher will never rise from the grave and restore the UKuck to its former glory.
She's done her job, it was under Thatcher that the UK finally stopped its decline. After Thatcher the trend continued
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>>54092776
>I think what she is doing with education is good though
the quintil system is the most corrupt and prejudiced shit in the world, I actually didn't get to go to university because of my father's salary, despite the fact that my grades were good in a private school (private school is considerably harder compared to public) and my PSU (chilean SAT) score was top 10%, but no, fuck meritocracy, some retarded nigger deserves it more because his dad is poor, this piece of shit system was designed so I would have to plunge myself and my family into massive debt because of something I have no control over, very similar to the current american education, with none of the quality.
I'm doing fine now, but if I ever settle down and plan to start a family I'm moving out unless education laws are changed.
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>>54093044
Most Chilean copper and iron would go unexploited if it weren't for foreign investment.
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>>54093150
Good post
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>>54093317
It is not fair, when rich kids have access to private schools and personal teachers
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>>54093044
The nationalization of copper was carried by Frei Montalva, before Allende got into power, though.

Anyway, if you want to say discredit Chile's success because it was resource based (copper), then compare it to another country whose economy has been resource based on the same time.
Venezuela is an example of wasting all your precious resources because of Socialism and Populism.
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>>54093317
welcome to let's-fight-the-inequality-by-creating-reverse-inequalities-land
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>>54093176
>Everyone is better off now than they were in the 1970s, and yet the gap is larger.
lol wat, better based on what?
people are able to afford more stuff because its easier to manufacture commodities with automation production, this doesnt necessarily mean people are better off


>>54093176
>Various European nations suffered far more from WW1 and WW2 and easily bounced back into first-world conditions, as did Japan.
>what was the marshall plan

i am not saying SA failure is only due to american intervention, but it certainly didn't help
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>>54093150
>no source
ok
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>>54093044

The thing with Chile's Pinochet and post-Pinochet is that they told the IMF advisors and the neoliberals to fuck off, and retained public control and regulation od much of the economy, only privatizing partially and limiting their exposure to financial markets.

And that's why Chile didn't go to hell, like Argentina, who was the only retard country that followed step by step the neoliberal recipes of the IMF and Washington. Plus, having Menem and his mates of corrupted fucks.

The result of the experiment was fuckin hilarious.

Up to a point, it also happened to Russia under Yeltsin, that got literally raped and sacked by oligarchs within and washington's neoliberals outside.
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>>54093295
Brotip, small wealth inequality is a product of prosperity and not a cause of it. You can't force the redistribution of well where there is none

As I was mentioning before it was all about productivity, we had just won world war 2 and had the highest productivity we ever had.
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>>54093295
>why are you in this thread
Because someone has to shine some reason in here and make the counter-argument.
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>>54093433
I agree, but the reforms changed none of that, public education is still terrible and the only thing we got out of the reform were increased higher education prices due to lower revenue.
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>>54090779
Maybe, just maybe that pic is from a football match. Fucking retarded fatty.
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>>54093176
a lot of latin america (particularly argentina, uruguay, chile and even to a certain extent mexico) were pretty solid in the early 20th century. then they went full retard with protectionist policies and bullshit military governments and they just JUST all over the place for 100 years.

after 100 years of poor management we're just now starting to see what latin america will turn into (except for venezuela which is like the teenager that didnt do any drinking in high school and then fucking snaps when it turns 21 since it feels like it missed out on all the fun)
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Post pics of her when she was a young qt commie
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>>54093518
>small wealth inequality is a product of prosperity and not a cause of it.
sure, but what causes said prosperity?, in the case of America it was the fact that it was the only functioning economy at the time, but what is the reason in the case of other smaller countries?
it would be irrational to belive all countries can develop economic growth with export alone, in the case of chile and argentina, not everyone can get a job exploiting natural resources for exports, not only because the moment the demand for said resource ends the country will enter in a recession, but there is a market inside. an example of this is china, which is slowing down because people are no longer consuming chinese labour and cheap goods, but because people in china cannot afford them
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>>54093476
This is wrong or a misunderstanding.
My source is my own work extracted from here
World Bank, Development Research Group. The data is the most recent available, not 2002. (But still it should have changed so much in time)

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator

You can do the analysis by yourself if you want. But I thought everyone already knew Sweden was extremely homogeneous in everything, including income levels. I'll have to look into your pic. Do you happen to have similar graphs of other countries?
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>>54093534
>neoliberalism
>reasonable
lel
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>>54089538
Is that a translation or an attempt to speak English?
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Important poll for this thread lads:

http://strawpoll.me/6632789
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>>54093317
so are you rich?
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>>54093696

Tbf they all followed a industrialization by substitution of imports, through protectionism and so on. Just like Murica, UK and France had done.

The thing is, unlike the countries above, they didn't have an internal market sizable or expanding enough nor a colonial empire to parasyte and milk out.

Imo, they need to team up and do it together or else they're going nowhere.
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>>54086980
KEK
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>>54093436


i dont want to discredit success . the way i understand it, they have had the capability of succesfully exploiting resources for development. many countries have abundant resources, not many are able to do that. doing that implies that a ton of things must be going at least partially right so noone should make light of countries' success stories.
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>>54093980
>wanting syrian immigrants
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>>54093295
>why are yu in a thread about how neoliberalim ruined argentina then?

what? the thread literally is how the socialism/pseudo-comunism ruined Argentina, if you believe that Kirchner was neoliberalism you're wrong as fuck m8
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>>54093980
European powers didn't "rule" there, we extracted resources and went the fuck out.

It was a different Colonial system, not the UK model. UK sent families that stablished there and created laws and policies, trying to emulate life in Europe. Spain sent soldiers and merchants who wanted to become rich.
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>>54094001
when I was living with my parents I was rich enough to be on the highest quintil but not rich enough to shrug off the cost of college tuition..
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>>54093780
The problem you are talking about here is that they are underdeveloped countries that rely on their natural resources, forcing redistribution of wealth will do nothing to keep them safe from the volatility of their economies it will just make a larger class of people susceptible to it
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>>54094181
>I was rich enough to be on the highest quintil
>Chile's highest quintil
Ah, so you are complaining just because you are entitled.

You live way above the Chilean average.
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>>54094047


im no economist but, is protecting your markets the same as import subsstitution industrialization? the later is a proposed solution for the first, but the east asian economies were export oriented and still had protectionist policies. i dont know if usa , uk or france did that but imo the way to get rich is export industrialization, international markets, innovation. forcing a country to be sustainable through its own industry wont lead to wealth for anyone. correct me if im wrong
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>>54088975
Murifats will defend this as sound economics.
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>>54091180
Globalization is unironically good
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>>54094133
>the thread literally is how the socialism/pseudo-comunism ruined Argentin
it didnt tho

argentina never had communism and all the privatization during menem i was pure liberalism

kirchnerismo was also pure pseudo-latin american nationalism and did not supported free trade


>>54094198
no one is talking about redistribution of wealth, you are probably thinking of higher taxation and so on

in order to decrease the inequality gap you need more national industry, economic freedom and higher wages
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>>54093755
I feel she'd be a dom
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>>54093971
>Note: The quotes from President Dilma’s speeches were carefully translated from the Portuguese. What you are going to read is, unfortunately, an accurate rendition of her words and meaning (or lack thereof).
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>>54094631
>kirchnerismo was also pure pseudo-latin american nationalism and did not supported free trade
>let me tell you about your country

Kirchnerism was more comunism than nationalism, they stole everything, their political campaigns were literally financed by narcos, they were the most corrupt and mafioso government we ever had, and I'm including Menemism in that list, so please chek your fonts, they're telling you bullshit
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>>54094241
>>54094241
Yes I had a privileged childhood, but I don't see why that should deny me higher education, specially considering I proved to be far above average when it came to academics.
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>>54093755
see
>>54091641
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>>54094452

Historically, all countries did just that. Protectionism as a way to build up your industry. Germany, France, Italy, Murica etc..

Except the UK, because they were the first ones and already had a competitive advantage built upon the navigation acts one century before and the economic exploitation of India.

But ofc you need some conditions to do that, like a sizable and expanding internal market and control of resources.
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>>54094923
>let me tell you about your country
>people cant read about other countries!

>Kirchnerism was more comunism than nationalism
lol no
K did not supported free trade with other countries other than mercosur and they had protectionist policies on most industries, kinda like what brazil did with lula and dilma

>they stole everything, their political campaigns were literally financed by narcos, they were the most corrupt and mafioso government we ever had, and I'm including Menemism in that list, so please chek your fonts, they're telling you bullshit
literally unrelated to communism, socialism, liberalism or capitalism

labeling a corrupt goverment as communism or capitalist is fucking retarded desu senpai
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>>54094986
Quoting your previous post
>I'm doing fine now
Then you could pay your education like anyone else who is not crippling poor. The point is that those poor faggots get cheap education because they have no other way to get education and no one in their family can help in any way.
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>>54094923
>Kirchnerism was more comunism than nationalism
>I don't understand anything of politics please rape my face
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>>54094631
>in order to decrease the inequality gap you need more national industry, economic freedom and higher wages
Ahaha, this is possibly the most naive thing I have ever read, in corrupt south American countries you cannot expect to give your industry to the government and run it well, instead you can expect sanctions from first world developed countries and investors pulling there money out of your country.

I agree with more economic freedom no matter how vague the concept is but higher wages should only come when the economic environment improves, raising wages without any kind of real progress by the economy is redundant
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>>54094986
Should have just went to UBA man
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>>54094452
>>54095125
Britain started off mercantilist and transitioned to a free trade model. I think that today, we are the most open major economy in the world
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>>54084509
She ruined her face as well
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>>54095205
>in corrupt south American countries you cannot expect to give your industry to the government and run it well
>national industry implies state owned indutry


perhaps that is the proper definition of national industry in english but what I meant was more along the lines of letting Argentinian industries take care of most of the industry not just privatizing everything and scaring the investors away, subsidising national industry to help it grow (something even the US does), instead of selling it to foreigners

>raising wages without any kind of real progress by the economy is redundant
not really, besides there are other ways of fixing income inequality besides increasing wages, you can increase workers benefits and provide insurance to the workers and so on
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>>54095396
I would have ruined her face back when she was a teenager if u know what I mean family
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>>54095176
>Then you could pay your education like anyone else who is not crippling poor.
That's the point, I can't pay for education without going into debt that would burden me for at least 20 years.
This might help you understand since we have a very similar situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfl4BGbMxoQ
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>>54093838
I have a bachelor's in international management and things like neoliberalism and the realities of international finance have disillusioned me from any sort of notion that NATO are the good guys.

I just can't believe people actually fall for it. 3rd worlder's actually have (or had) the power to take things in their own hands but they are such cucks who would backstab their countrymen at any given chance they they will forever be plebs.
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>>54084555
South America got shittier and shittier under pro-US governments

south americans were exhausted of this and elected leftish presidents relatively close in time

so this argument turns against you
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>>54095845
and what happened after the leftists were elected?
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>>54095716
>neoliberalism and the realities of international finance have disillusioned me from any sort of notion that NATO are the good guys.
What does NATO have to do with international finance? It's a military alliance!
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>>54095845
bullshit
t. Peru
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>>54088975
The price of FREEDUM and DEMUHCRACY it's selling your own country to the USA
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>>54095903
Didn't work either but at least people stopped being illiterate

I think the solution of south america is stop pretending that they have something to do with western civilisation and start developing their own systems

same for Africa

capitalism works in west because it's made by west
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>>54096061
and what else? building a fence rounding Africa and Latin America so no external influences nor external differences on competitivity, productivity and innovation end up crumbling their unique economic system?

>at least people stopped being illiterate
what?
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>>54095962
NATO is just one part of the cog.

I said NATO because by and large it's the victorious nations of WW2 and the Cold War, more specifically the USA and it's political elite who have set the economic policies of the world in motion.

You're right in saying that militarily NATO specifically hasn't played much of a role in protecting, but in general it's national members and powerful individuals within them have their hands pretty deep in the cookie jar of world economy.

Neoliberalism is the propaganda they used to justify what they were doing. It's all a sham and only the West and more so it's private corporations will ever get rich from it.
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>>54084509
>mfw i ruined the history of a glorious nation
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>>54096061
>people stopped being illiterate

So more of them can read the ransom demands for their loved ones. The country has been devastated, a generation of people and money have been lost.

There is one right way, the North American and British way, and then there are many wrong ways. Any attempt to defy reality is no different to jumping off a cliff and trying to flap your arms like a bird.
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>>54096061
In South America the leftists is weak, the populism was a strong movement, similar to european national-socialism movement, but with strong propaganda, like in Argentina we have Peron and in Brazil Getulio Vargas
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>>54096330
forgot pic
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>>54096213
>what?
I remain objective and I recognise their economic policies are useless but in the social aspect it worked better than what they had before

f.ex search venezuelan illiterate rate change in years
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>>54096331
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cVYns5Y--A
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>>54096386
and could it sustain itself in the future?

if not, it's useless

also, if literacy rates went that high, they would not be voting those dumbasses
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Who wants to go on vacation to Argentina with me this summer?
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>>54096331
>There is one right way, the North American and British way
Do you think that people will have good view of you by saying this?

I think being "muh superiority" in 2016 just makes you being ridiculous

You can say the same thing saying:

"Data says that ...... works better"

or "I think that..."

and people outside your circlejerk won't be embarrased
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>>54096470
Your summer is winter in Argentina......
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>>54096470
is that the official rate of change? is it true that Macri already unpegged the argentinian peso?
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>>54084509
Too bad political Peronism will remain a deeply engrained cultural attitude for years to come.
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>>54096442
I said no, why the fuck you continue to insist?

>also, if literacy rates went that high, they would not be voting those dumbasses

if they teach you to write and read you vote them a long time

once you forget that, you blame them because the country is in a wrong condition

and it currently happened, venezuela is not voting chavism anymore

I'm not saying it's not my opinion, not like some that try to make their opinion the unnegable true.

I don't know why is so difficult for some people to remain neutral
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>>54096330
>>54096370
MFW I introduced Neoliberalism
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>>54096556
man you live in south america just watch the news...
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>>54096584
she is Kichnerism movement, kind of opposite to peronism movement
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>>54084509
>>54096370
>>54096662

We never had a chance m8.
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>>54096755
Well, the currency peg in retrospect wasn't such a great idea.
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>>54096470
hahahaha you will have a big time here if you do it, burger friend
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>>54096492
>Do you think that people will have good view of you by saying this?

That is not relevant.

>"muh superiority"

There is no "muh". There is one correct way and many less correct ways.

>circlejerk

What circle? There is no debate about what kind of economics work anymore. The circle is the few people who live in denial.
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keynesianismo > neoliberalismo desu senpai lad desu
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>>54084555
When we had a more conservative gov they put our whole country into debt.

South America is the greatest argument against South Americans running governments.
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>>54095845
>>54088787
>discussion about leftism in south america
>someone always talks about the USA
How much inferiority complex can you actually have?
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>>54097448
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>>54097201
>printing money without neither physical nor added value support so you can spend it out like crazy
>better than
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>>54097721
If you're going to offend me atleast try instead of throwing up a picture completely unrelated to my country.

You could have gone for the incest.

0/10
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What happened? I know nothing about Argentina
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>>54096061
>Didn't work either but at least people stopped being illiterate
Are you serious?

There are more illitirates and subhumans now than there has ever been

pro us destroy your economy and your security forces

Leftift governments destroy the fuck out of the society

They are all shit
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>>54098900
it's full of niggers.
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>>54098987
How did this happen?
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>>54099029
Slavery
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>>54099066
Sheeeeit
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>>54099029
we loved abos too much to enslave them and we brought afros
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>>54086088
JUST
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>>54099138
Then one of your Presidents wrote, "Facundo: Civilization and Barbarism" and decided Argentina would be better off with European migrants. However, instead of getting Germans and Englishmen, they got all the "lower tier" Southern Europeans of Italy and Spain.
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>>54086088
WE
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>>54099382
WUZ
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>>54096061

Capitalism works in west because the capital is in west.
>>54098967

I think he was talking about Venezuela.
Unless you are a chink centralized economy planifier and don't have any problem with shoving without vaseline wild capitalism market up your own population's ass.
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Why are u guys so mean? :(
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>>54100368
Kirchner >>>/out/
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>>54100468
I'm not talking about Cristina, I'm talking about argentina haters...
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>>54100532
you guys are reliably the worst fucking posters on this board
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>>54100532
Oh, I like some argies :3
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>>54100584
I don't come here very often but, why is that exactly? I've seen many retarded argie posters on /int/ but outside /lat/ I wouldn't say we're the worst...
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>>54100709
Complaining about the falkland, posting simpsons character with autistic captions, generally being butthurt and upset but you guys arent all too bad
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>>54100709

You've goint a point.

Unfortunately your putazo reputation because of /lat/ exceeds by far other argie deeds in /int.
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>>54100847
>>54100903
Well I think we kinda earned it...
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>>54100055
Capital does not stay static in one place. It moves
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Bow to the crown and we'll take over the managent of your country desu. A new dominion.
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>>54102143
Britain pls, you barely can with the pakis, and want to do shit so far away from your island?

delusional..
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