What is your opinion of humanities future in space?
What do you think about the massive internal space race that has taken place in America over the last 15 years between private companies?
There has been an explosion of start ups/companies that want to build re-usable rockets, space habitation modules, space mining operations.
All of it is now coming into fruition
SpaceX has been the one to get the most media attention, but there are several others aiming at their market
SpaceX, along with other companies are developing their own capsules and descent vehicles
A company called Bigelow Aerospace is making a lot of progress on making inflatable space habitats.
NASA is taking a serious look at their tech and the rumors are that it will play a key part in whatever is built after the ISS is decommissioned.
A module is supposed to be tested on the ISS soon
The Dream Chaser. NASA has started to show interest in it again after gave some funding to other private companies last year
A company called Reaction Engines in the UK has been claiming for 3 decades now that it can build one.
Elon ain't gonna save our dream of space exploration in this life because the economics of reusable space flight don't add up.
Sorry, bro, this is the age of race war or undersea exploration. Born too late, born too early.
I'd say a mission to Mars by the end of the century is a 50/50 given at this point.
Other than that, It's hrs to say what strides we'll make in space travel by the end of the century
>other countries in charge of caring about space
Depressing is not a strong enough word.
baka @ u senpaitachi
Seems they only care about these threads when shit blows up
Depressing is that there's not a big enough market in space to drive a gold rush and no inter-governmental race for prestige like between USA and USSR back in the day.
But, yeah, one German guy and a handfull Americans in this thread is depressing, too. Add a Russian and you have all that ever mattered in space together.
Don't worry German bro, I think there was a big surge in interest after SpaceX demonstrated that renewable booster. That plus increasing tech quality means that we are at the dawn of of a new space age.
Maybe not in NASA, but Elon Musk has flat out stated that he wants to go to Mars and SpaceX as a private company has far more motivation than a government agency with its funding slashed.
Yeah, they got a lot of people interested. That's a great thing. But I don't see the reusability bringing a cost reduction beyond 30% in the medium term. Long term is another thing but by then I'll be an old fuck.
>Nobody gives a shit about undersea exploration
The undersea economy is having a little gold rush atm. The whole UUV technology advances that we can see in the military are driven largely by independent private sector developments.
You never know, there might be another breakthrough.
>privatization is bad for innovation
You dropped this
We will find a new planet and fuck it up too
>What is your opinion of humanities future in space?
it will be built in space, not on earth
>What do you think about the ...
not much, i see it as driven by vanity more than the spirit of exploration
>There has been an explosion of start ups/companies ...
yep, it's slowly taking place here too, but of what you mentioned i only see true potential in habitation and mining, of which mining and assembly will determine our success in expansion the most
this re-entrant, re-usable rocketry is a waste of time, money and brainpower
>What is your opinion of humanities future in space?
>What do you think about the massive internal space race that has taken place in America over the last 15 years between private companies?
This is all bullshit, 2bh.
Rocket engines are the last century, litteraly.
Some new principles of movement should be create.
i wonder if its possible to have a fueling station in orbit so that rockets dont have to carry that much fuel on themselves. it might seem problematic, but if its solved they could create a sustainable business and launches become even cheaper. i think i read this somewhere. get fuel from asteroids, or moon ice.
A pipe-dream. Man will never live on the moon or Mars, at most there will be a manned mission to Mars.
Space habituation is not possible, since bone decay would happen fast for one thing. Space mining is also a dumb idea, there is nothing to mine there that would outweigh the cost and risk.
Buck Roger fantasies of space travel belong in the 1950s.
there is no such thing a a spaceship of one nationality, but to answer your question, if our solar sail technology turns out to be viable then somewhere in the near 20 years there might be a deep space exploration mission that is based on our technology...
If the asteroid was already in Earth orbit or moved there then harvested for LOX fuels then maybe, but you'd have to have customers who would need to fill up first before that model made sense. We could build a gas station in the middle of Antarctica but it won't turn a profit unless someone comes by and actually wants to fill up. If there was a colony on the Moon or Mars first this might be a good idea.
>You never know, there might be another breakthrough.
Yep, and that's the best argument to keep working on it. I'm sure following the developments with excitement.
Anticipating technological breaktrough is almost like looking into the crystal sphere. If you just think that e.g. James Clerk Maxwell never sought to invent radio or tv or radar, but was just a nerd playing with equations from a Frenchman who had investigated electromagnetic phenomena and added something to make the equations look more aesthetic.
I'd prefer if it were done by (inter)national agencies so as to make sure the finding benefit all of humanity but I guess someone has to pick up the baton. Right now those companies at least seem cooperative. It's exciting that it seems to pick up momentum again, anyway.
>Sedna will come to perihelion around 2075–2076. This close approach to the Sun provides an opportunity for study that will not occur again for 12,000 years. Although Sedna is listed on NASA's Solar System exploration website, NASA is not known to be considering any type of mission at this time. It was calculated that a flyby mission to Sedna could take 24.48 years using a Jupiter gravity assist, based on launch dates of 6 May 2033 and 23 June 2046.
>It was calculated that a flyby mission to Eris could take 24.66 years using a Jupiter gravity assist, based on launch dates of 3 April 2032 and 7 April 2044.
You think we'll be ready not to let those fuckers slip by?
I'm also holding out for the Rosseta mission wrap-up, will hopefully get us some significant insights.
what you want in all that void lmao
>Estimates on the number of Earth's current species range from 10 million to 14 million, of which about 1.2 million have been documented and over 86 percent have not yet been described.
Gather the expedition party, boys. We meet tomorrow morning at the harbor.
Yeah, and India will be a world power.
>By the mid-2030s, I believe we can send humans to orbit Mars and return them safely to Earth. And a landing on Mars will follow. And I expect to be around to see it.
Seeing as they've been claiming to be able to do it 20 years into the future for decades this is not even a likely estimate. And then if you finally reach it, the question remains if you can really set up a colony on your first arrival; again, questionable.
There are a lot of challenges in theoretical physics to be solved first.
>You will never conquer the galaxy in the name of the human race and in of the emperor
That may never happen.
We don't even know much about gravity. Just tis month we found gravitational waves
just make a gravitational surfboard
i hear the russians stole their mission control computers from the usa, but could only make parts of it work
and you stole a shitload of rocketry design from them because your own designs were vastly inferior...
yes, your command of english language and paradoxes is excellent, but that is the way things are done...
Yes, 30% is big. But it's still not enough to achieve true profitability. That's because a big chunk of the costs is currently hidden und payed for by governments: operating a launch pad. No launch service provider, not even Arianespace, who are still market leader in commercial launches by some margin, would be in the profit zone if you added the costs of the launch pads to their balance sheets. Same goes for SpaceX. But we need to truly reach break even in all costs to really achieve annual self-feeding growth.
What meme drive? Warp?
If you mean fusion drive then we'd first have to build a reactor. At least that endeavor is looking tentatively promising right now.
meme drives: hyper drive, warp drive, wormhole, em drive (fake physics) , teleportation is /x/ tier
conceptual drives: orion nuclear pulse, fusion drive, anti-matter/matter drives
real drives: rockets with various fuels, VASIMIR, solar sails, ion drive, SABRE
only the bottom is plausible in our lives
I'm putting big hopes into future space tourism: from small suborbital jump to holidays on a private space station. Of course this will be a thing for millionaires only at first. But airliners begang the same way.
I always liked this presentation:
Indeed. But that's a huge political obstacle with numerous parliaments interfering with budgets from year to year.
skylon is shit . fucking poo in the loo shitters are gonna make their air-augmented rocket spaceplane before brits finish this . and desu SSTOs are a meme .
nice to see an actually viable spaceplane design .
i think the future of humanity in space is first getting earth orbit prices low , developing efficient propulsion (nuclear\electric) and then building robotic maintenance\refueling\assembly facilities on moons\asteroids possibly using local resources in the process .
i dont think sending humans to other planets is a really good idea other then for short excursions for PR reasons (humans to mars for example) . i would like to see an ISS-like station on earth's moon ,there's a shitton of research to be done on the moon and we could build telescopes on it which would have the benefits of space telescopes while being accessible to humans to fix\upgrade .
>SSTOs are a meme
Well, the Space Shuttle was originally to work in conjunction with the Space Tug, which shuttles between low and high orbits. Such a configuration actually makes sense, if you can make it work economically.
its pretty shit as a show but the scifi is the best i've seen . they actually burn to slow down and rendezvous with something and theres no magic gravity on ships unless they're burning to accelerate .
too many sheqels to orbit these days , besides we are completely safe and have enough nukes to glass anyone who really threatens our country.
31.767338, 34.887885 , mirin my silos ?.
as for rockets we have an ok satellite launch system and some of the worlds best anti-ballistic systems .
to take things higher then shuttle orbits, not to bring them to orbit shuttle was never going to be SSTO and one of its main point is getting thos expensive as fucks shuttle engines back to earth. the whole SSTO meme is about not destroying equipment with every launch , and i think reusable boosters is a much better way to go about it instead of trying to do SSTOs.
spacex boosters are great (except the whole trying to land them in the ocean idea) but i'd like too see glider-boosters like the russian concept i posted earlier .
if a space telescope is built on the moon, or anything, it would be an anchor for space investment and a compromise that every involved country would have to mantain for perpetuity. its possibly all thats needed for space industry to finally kickstarted
what exactly needs to be admitted ?.we dont wanna sign bullshit treaties and have a clusterfuck of people asking for regulation and for someone to check on our nuclear research facility \ warheads.
Space X Heavy is the future
Arianespace and Roskomos pondered together the idea of liquid fly-back boosters and discarded it sometime afterwards, because it wasn't worth it. The initial design was little more than a cylinder, wings, the engine and a turbofan on the back. But the exponential factor of the rocket equation takes its toll and it ended as something huge like a full grown airbus with four engines.
only if its a huge 5 star hotel bordering on sci fi space station. i wouldnt risk my life, and an incredibly uncomfortable ride, to remain only 5 days or so in a claustrophobic cluttered mess with only 1 worthwile window (iss). waiting gfor the steve jobs of space hotels.
To be fair Congress fucked with Shuttle design by making the military and civilian design melt into one thing. The military requirements fucked up the economics.
yea, we have amazing fuckhuge telescopes on earth that require a lot of humans to operate and maintain them but are fucked by the atmosphere (like pic related) , and we have space telescopes that dont get fucked by the atmosphere but have a shitton of limitations on them because they have to function away from any people and have to be light and small to be sent to orbit .
with a moon telescope and base you could do both moon research and assemble and operate large telescopes without atmosphere bullshit . also on the far side of moon you can use them without any ambient light from the earth or the moon or anything .
having a fuckhuge active-optic 100 meter+ telescope on the moon is the next big step in space exploration .
The space tourists we had till date payd tens of millions for what is currently available. It's hard to estimate the size of the market, but there definitely is one.
also i forgot to mention it but less gravity = much easier to do shit like huge mirrors , putting this in orbit is optimal but on the moon is more realistic for maintenance \ upgrades .
it lacks some of the newer stuff, but its the one with most of the rockets in it.
>there definitely is one
Surely. I'm a space enthusiast and the interest still shocked me. The companies that are promising flights have already sold out their tickets even though they are A) super expensive B) dangerous and C) in many cases the hardware + crafs aren't even finished yet!
I couldn't believe it.
You could also place it on a Lagrange point and spare the risky landing on the Moon.
>But some day we (humanity) will find the sourse of it.
I'd rather stay away from the source desu.
Possibly, but it's a daunting task, despite the relative accessibility. This isn't comparable to some ISS module.
B-but I was just aggressively trying to get more nations to participate.
>we've finally exited the stupid Heliosphere
GET HYPE BOYS, NOTHINGNESS AHEAD
REEEE THEY HAD A HEAD START
>I'd prefer if it were done by (inter)national agencies so as to make sure the finding benefit all of humanity
This, Corporations should stay the fuck away from space.
It sucks shit that NASA has basically been guttered since the 80s and nobody apart from the Russians had a serious space program.
Also fuck SpaceX, Elon Musk is a giant crony capitalist fuckwit. "Duuur my entire company and fortune was built on Government contracts, but there should be legislation blocking out anyone else from getting Government contracts"
Yeah, that's why I said I put my hopes into space tourism. I think it's the best chance to spur real independet private sector growth.
im not talking about a powered jet booster, its just that the spacex way seems inefficient as fuck when you could be using the air to glide the rocket to the runway the same way the shuttle\buran glide to land .
for example pic relates , the 4 boosters seperate at suborbital trajectories and have folded wings to glide to an airfield and the main rocket is sort of a reverse-shuttle ,it gets to orbit releases payload from its sip and then glides to land just life shuttle\buran .
i mean we have autonomous spaceplanes in the 80s .
We can bring it to life in a few millennia. It's a good project for humanity to be given a clean slate where they can work together for a common positive goal: make us a two planet species
dont they have their own rockets (delta\atlas or something) just for USAF satellites ?, why would they need a shuttle ?.
and yea its a huge waste of money getting all that mass to orbit and back
as i said orbital telescopes are ideal, no for all the shit that keeps the mirrors aligned against gravity.
the problem is assembling the thing , huge ass telescopes on earth have a lot of infrastructure around them to support it and what im saying is we could build that on the moon as we have a shitton of research to do there anyways .
or you could send tons of mirrors to a lagrange point and have a bunch of robot arms assemble the thing in open space but developing this tech is a shitton of RND away and has many point where it can fail but then so is my moon telescope idea .
I've worked on some space projects.
I think the near future of space exploration is looking pretty positive. There are a lot of amazing things being done.
However, I don't think we will ever see homo sapiens colonize the solar system or galaxy. Our bodies just simply aren't designed for the incredibly adverse environments and insane lengths of travel time out there. Spacecraft engineering is always a monumental struggle against thermodynamics and introducing the need to keep human bodies alive for any notable length of time or distance bloats most projects to the point of infeasibility.
I do think some form of the human mind has a good chance of one day exploring the universe - if we're lucky enough to go another couple thousand years without getting smacked by a planet-killer asteroid or GRB. I'm not into transhumanism as a philosophy or goal but I think we're slowly moving in the direction of broadening our concept of humanity and our willingness to hybridize with our technology.
engines themselves were fucking awesome, but the fact that the rocket had billion of them meant there was just too many failures and with Korolev dead, Politburo axed the program.
The Maze is one thing. . . . but you kids wouldn't last one day in The Scorch!
i really wish some country would sputnik american and russia into another space race , if theres one good thing that came out of the cold was its the space race. if only it wasnt for memey shit like 'first to the moon' and a race for actual exploration\science .
>muh nuclear is baaad
if only three mile\chernobyl didnt happen . seriously theres nothing worse then antinuclearfags , there's literally MORE RADIATION from coalburning plants then nuclear and modern nuclear is safe as fuck . we'd be living in a fucking utopia if not for this shit , hating on nuclear is like wanting to ban cars because of car accidents instead of making cars safer\rules\regulations .
yea but think project orion but assembled and launched from high earth orbit . seems like a great idea desu .
ground-launching is will not only cause bad shit on earth but probably wont get it to orbit because atmosphere+fuckhuge explosions+spacecraft dont mix .
also not having to take air into account while building it will make it much more efficient .
>seriously theres nothing worse then antinuclearfags
Tell me about it, I live near the last nuclear plant in CA.
The local protest group is even worse than the brady campaign when it comes to ignoring facts and basing arguments on MUH FEELINS.
>and you stole a shitload of rocketry design from them because your own designs were vastly inferior
>we stole Russian rocket designs
I'm pretty sure the liquid rocket engine was invented by an American (Robert Goddard). Also the only nationality we might have "stolen" rocket tech from was Germany.
It was Korolev's fault the damn thing wouldn't fly. He despised hypergolic propellants and would not have Vladimir Chelomei's proposed UR-700 booster which was basically a Proton scaled up to Saturn V size. But since Soviet manufacturing tech wasn't up to producing large LOX/kerosene engines, they ended up with 30 small engines, an unworkable spaghetti mess.
pretty sure this concept was autonomous but they had human rated ones as well .
and the final buran shuttle could do both .
pic related is another project of an air launched spaceplane where only the fuel tank is not reusable . because its basically the same engine in both vaccum and air they made the engine so it can burn a hydrogen\kerosene (jet fuel) mixture in air and pure hydrogen in vaccum .
I'm fairly sure it could have. Space exploration unfortunately is inherently a luxury.
Ever the optimist, I see.
To be fair we still don't know enough about either the object of our desire or the inherent challenges in terraforming (especially on so grand a scale) to put forth any such predictions, though if science were to progress at an equally exponential pace as in the 20th century, especially with recursive self-improvement of AI this might be feasible.
>and has many point where it can fail but then so is my moon telescope idea .
Exactly. Even on earth this calls for super-precise work. Doing that in an environment we have very little practical experience with is more than we can currently hope to accomplish.
>I've worked on some space projects.
Neat, got any details you feel comfortable telling us?
>However, I don't think we will ever see homo sapiens colonize the solar system or galaxy. Our bodies just simply aren't designed for the incredibly adverse environments and insane lengths of travel time out there. Spacecraft engineering is always a monumental struggle against thermodynamics and introducing the need to keep human bodies alive for any notable length of time or distance bloats most projects to the point of infeasibility.
If anything it would be a staged approach anyway. Distances in our solar system do not require something as illusionary as generation ships (and the other planets aren't in the running anyway). The solar system I can kind of see; anything else is pure science fiction at this point.
>I do think some form of the human mind has a good chance of one day exploring the universe - if we're lucky enough to go another couple thousand years without getting smacked by a planet-killer asteroid or GRB. I'm not into transhumanism as a philosophy or goal but I think we're slowly moving in the direction of broadening our concept of humanity and our willingness to hybridize with our technology.
And no really, N1 was not more advanced than the Saturn V in a number of ways. The first stage did have more thrust due to all those engines, but overall no, the technology was cruder.
theres this one pro-nuclear movie where he goes to an anti-nuclear protest and dosnt tell them he's pro-nuclear , just gives bananas to people . the point being that the radiation from that banana is more then all the radiation that plant gives off .
seriously nuclear is clean as fuck all the radioactive water runs in a closed circuit and is only used to heat clean water which comes out of the plant clean .
honestly, I think the Earth is beyond saving. We're living through a mass extinction event and its just getting worse. No generation will try to stop or help because they know that the damage won't hit them, but future generations. Unless the entire world moves away from non-sustainable economic tactics the only way forward is the unlimited resources of space. If we make it another 3-4 hundred years humanity might become a the first real multi-planet species. That's why I'm currently doing a physics degree and looking for tech firm intern ships as fast as I can, I want to make sci-fi just sci.
not at all, the only reason they're doing it is to save money on the multi million dollar boosters .refueling and refurbishing costs in the tens\hundreds of thousands but building new ones costs in the millions .
this tech dosnt translate into mars landing in any way . mars landing and getting to orbit from mars is actually way easier because of less gravity \ less 'air'.
Don't land on the surface at all, use blimp cities.
Normal air will float and at a certain altitude the air pressure is the same as sea level on Earth, you'd just have to wear a poncho to keep acidic off.
The main factor holding space exploration back is the fact every craft has to be able to fly in/out of a gravity well. Once we get a serious space colony going - probably a mining operation on an asteroid captured in Earth orbit - it'll become massively simpler. Settling of other worlds could even happen within our lifetime.
>comment too long
I think this is an inevitable development. At least in fiction most space-faring civilisations have undergone such, simply because outer space is so hostile to any kind of conceivable life.
Let's hope enough humanity is preserved at this point to cheer for it.
We just got a historic climate pact on the way. Sure, it might still be too lenient to salvage things, but it sure as hell could fix your attitude.
If Hell were a physical place it'd be Venus.
>there is an alternate universe where NASA went for the X-33 over the space shuttle and we're decades further ahead
>we were all supposed to grow up watching the Europan colony being founded
the equivalent of 'distance' in terms of spacecraft is delta-v which is basically how much you need to accelerate (how much speed you 'have') to get somewhere .
something can be 10 meters away from you but going super fast so to get to it you need a gorillion delta v to match its speed . pic is a 'map' of how much speed you need for anything int he solar system . note that if you have a rocket and you want a rocket with twice the deltaV you need to make it much more then twice as heavy .
also the whole mars meme exists because its the most 'earthlike' planet . there are manned-venus mission ideas but they involve shit like having your spacecraft float in the venus clouds like an airship .
BRITAIN CAN INTO SPACE
But seriously, is Skylon the most promising project out there? Sucks that no government will pick it up.
nah he's doing the same thing he did with paypal, he sees a market that has the potential to explode(like in a good way) if they manage to get launch costs low enough .
helping space exploration is just a little side-benefit , its all about the money .
Europan as in the moon, not the Earth continent. Not that I'd be averse to the ESA being the ones to get there.
>with no funding
Which is exactly why a government (or the EU/ESA) should pick it up. India is already working on their own spaceplane, it'll be plain embarrassing if they're the ones to crack it. Skylon's concept is sound enough for the US military to be interested.
>NASA is getting their shit back together just as two potential superpowers emerge
Should've funded them back when the USSR's collapse gave you some breathing space, but better late than never.
Antimatter can change that. Its the most potent enrgy source in the universe. its probabky the only fuel source that is capable of powering a spaceship that could travel to distant star systems.
> ANTIMATTER: Mining antimatter from spaceIt’s the most potent energy source known. Annihilating just a half of a gram of matter and antimatter unleashes the same energy given out by the bomb that flattened Hiroshima. But there’s a catch. The world’s particle accelerator labs currently turn out just 10 billionths of a gram of antimatter per year, at a total cost of around $600,000. However, scientist James Bickford, of the Draper Laboratory in Massachusetts, believes nearly four tonnes of antimatter drifts naturally into our Solar System every year – much of which he says will be snagged by the magnetic field of Jupiter, from where it could be scooped up by a suitably equipped spacecraft.
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nah , they dont have enough money for it .
true , but they're already making good money even if all their boosters explode while landing , if they manage to land them safely their profit margins will skyrocket (le cool pun).
yea its a rocket engine made for mars exploration and colonization but hwat you need to understand is that space exploration is literally funded by memes .
>first to space meme
>first human\animal to space meme
>first to moon meme
>space race meme
they really big cash flows to space exploration when it convinces the public theres some nice big juicy thing it can achieve , usually something that in of itself has no value to actual scientists . im not saying they dont do actual good science along the way but the public support for the funding of all this is so they can say 'yea we achieved -thing-'.
just look at all the americans memeing about their flag on the moon .(not to disrespect the apollo program i literally pop boners just reading about it).
the trick is to distract the public\politicians with memes (mars colonization these days) to get their money and do actual good space science with it ,
it would be easier to produce in an accelerator . they produce so little antimatter because their not built for it and storing it after you produced it in a controlled environment would be much easier then trying to catch it with a spacecraft .
storing it alone is a fuckhuge challenge .
>read article about moon colony
>scroll down to comments
>They should be investing here not spending god knows how much on a moon base unless they're planning on moving all the politicians up there!!!!
>this is great news if true we can send all the immigrants there
>storing it alone is a fuckhuge challenge
In which case, probably better to take it straight from space. Especially if it's been coralled into a suitably small area by, say, a planet's magnetic field.
also these numbers were calculated by mathematicians and are the deltaV in optimal conditions . you also need the two planets to be closest to each other for the fastest path .
pic related is mars's path relative to earth. they're both spinning around the sun but earth goes faster because its closer so the mars-earth distance changes and is periodic .
We actually caught the Soviets by surprise when Kennedy put out the goal of landing a man on the Moon by the end of the 60s. They had no plans at that time for a manned lunar program and were forced to rush it, years behind the US (Project Apollo commenced in 1960) and had far less technology/money to play with. The Soyuz project started in 1964, but the design was not finalized until 1966 and looked considerably different from early proposals.
While Moscow was frantically trying to play catch up, the Gemini program was smoothly proceeding and practicing the techniques needed to go to the Moon.
Make French Guiana worth something for once. Build a Space Elevator there.
That is true. The command module ended up being heavier than planned, which meant that the Saturn I booster proved inadequate. Also early proposals for a single spacecraft that would land and take off from the Moon gave way to the separate CSM/LM.
When NASA first put the contract for the CSM up for bidding, there were plenty of eager hands until North American Aviation ultimately got it. The CSM was clearly the juciest plum of the program in part because NASA originally assumed it would be a multipurpose spacecraft for lunar and LEO missions well into the 80s.
For comparison, nobody wanted to build the LM as nobody was sure if it could even be built at all and secondly, it would be retired as soon as the lunar landings were done. After NAA got the CSM contract, Grumman Aviation were awarded the LM job as a consolation prize, which got them a lot of laughs and "LOLgoodluckwiththat" comments from the rest of the aerospace industry.
Grumman ultimately had the last laugh as the LM was the only major component of the Apollo to never suffer a malfunction serious enough to threaten the mission.
>born too early to enjoy a utopia where space travel is common, scientists don't have to worry about funding for projects, jetpacks are advanced and available to all, everything is sustainable and green, etc.
>tfw Europa declares independence from the US over taxes
I was thinking of India. Plus they've already launched a successful Mars mission.
Wow, didn't expect the thread to survive the night. Good morning everyone.
Gliding requires large wings. That's one of the ways the military requirement fucked up the Space Shuttle. They wanted it to be able to glide so it can reach airfields that are iirc some 2000 miles lateral to the otherwise purely ballistic trajectoy. This required much larger wings. The original civilian Shuttle design had tiny stubble wings.
It's great and all but let me remind you that it would not be possible without Slovene help, just like many other things in history.
but why would they need it ? all the military need is spy satellites which they can lunch cheaper with normal rockets by not having a huge spaceplane attached to it .
shuttle only makes sense for the space station . if you just wanna launch satellites you might want a reverse-shuttle (like pic related) to reuse engines\everything but using a shuttle seems fucking retarded and pointlessly wasteful .
when will iran\india\some other shithole make a great space achievement and sputnik us\russia\china into another space race ?.
you mean like this thing
using a shuttle for this seems fucking retarded when you can just have warheads with small thrusters in orbit that are numerous and are hard to detect instead of a big manned spaceplane .using the shuttle to bomb would still require the bombs to be able to deorbit burn by themselves which defeats the point of having the shuttle launch them .
also they finished the shuttle project after they signed the treaty of no-orbital-nukes.
and i know about astronautics because i worked in the israeli ''''''''space industry'''''''''' and talked to people who actually know about astronautics .
They planned on launching, capturing enemy satellites and landing before even completing one orbit. This necessitated large wings in order to change course laterally by a large distance, because the perpendicular position of objects in low earth orbits shifts from orbit to orbit by that distance. This less-than-one-orbit mission was sort of a stealth requirement by the military.
We just had a micro space race between both Koreas about who'll be the first to launch a satellite, which the North won.
Yeah but what are you gonna make them out of? On Earth we have an abundance of oxygen and carbon which we combine for energy production. On Mars oxygen is too valuable, be it in pure form or bound in water. In theory there's much oxygen in all that rust, which is basically iron oxide. But taking it out of there actually requires energy instead of producing it. Maybe with all our dreams and hopes of nuclear fusion becoming true that'll become feasible.
Does anyone know how much carbon/carbon compounds are available on Mars?
hmm, seems I'm gonna have to keep this thread alive alone till America wakes up
That's not really true. It's rather that humans and machines complement each other. Some things machines do better, some things humans do better. Seemingly simple things like locomotion are far easier for humans than for machines. Just think that the rovers on Mars need to have their movements planned for each day by humans just to avoid them getting stuck. That's an awfully slow process of exploration. But of course machines are expendable and thus require less in terms of investment but also yield less explorative value. A human can identify things of interest and immediately react to that. For a rover such a thing may be a project for a whole month, just because the object of interest is a mere 100 meters away.
>For a rover such a thing may be a project for a whole month, just because the object of interest is a mere 100 meters away.
that's because of the lack of energy . rovers mostly use radioisotope \ solar power and not enough to drive fast 24/7. also we dont trust automated robots to do shit completely autonomously at full speed with a rover that costs a shitton of money .
for most scientific purposes you're right but if the purpose is to test how human bodies work in these conditions you need humans .
i dont think making nuclear rockets costs that much more then all the other space shit we're developing . and their benefits are huge . we've been using nuclear in space exploration since the 70s .we have nuclear probes and nuclear rovers why not test\develop nuclear engines ?.
we could be probing post neptunian objects \ probe to alpha centauri within a couple of decades .autistically avoiding nuclear is like trying to build a steam car in 2016.
Energy is always a concern. But the slow speed of movement is primarily due to safety concerns.
The last N1 test flight was quite close to success and was hypothetically salvagable if not for a hard programmed thing about stage separation or something.
Given more funds and testing the thing could have flown.
Do you sometimes wish there was less light pollution from modern civilization so that you could gaze at the stars during a clear night? And do you believe this shutting out of the starry sky may also shut down people's interest in the worlds beyond our own?
>tfw 99% of your country has no light pollution
But do you actually make use of it or do you stay in the cities?
Human body is not for space.
Our body constantly require oxygen, water many organisms that is really scarce in space to live on.
We will never go far beyond solar system until our "form of life" got drastically modified.
“Don't tell me that man doesn't belong out there. Man belongs wherever he wants to go — and he'll do plenty well when he gets there.”
>UK doesn't have a space programme
The space age is going to start and we're going to get left behind because Dave Smith in the estate down the road is claiming all our space money as benefits
The Amazon craft is suborbital.
Also, to people who say that space is a loss of money--satellites are essential to the functioning of a modern society, think trade and science and communication. If you can refuel and repair satellites, there is a profit in there for you. Plus, if your base of operations is on the Moon, you'll probably save on taxes, too.
"Human body is not for" many places that we comfortably inhabit today. It's called technology, if you have a problem with it go back to East Africa and stay put in the grasslands near the jungle.
Here is a legitimate question: would the technology required for (actual) space travel and general space use be around now if religion had been proven incorrect, say 20 years ago? After people had settled down that is.
Do you think governments would have stopped throwing shit loads of money towards funding wars and spying on its own people, and finally starting to work towards pushing humanity forward?
I constantly think about where we would be if we didn't have separate governments, no religions, etc.
why does no one bother to do the maths?
space mining is profitable only if you intend to use it to supply space colonies
it's not that human bodies are weak, the problem is all the life support equipment and supplies needed to keep the meatbags alive.
One of the best letters ever written. By Dr. Ernst Stuhlinger in 1970 when he was Associate Director for Science at the Marshall Space Flight Center in answering a nun who questioned the expenses of space sciences.
They don't even know if the "results" they got meant anything.
Go take a look at the thread on the NSF forum where all this "research" is taking place.
They don't even know what the fuck they are doing.
List of active space probes
Juno - NASA (USA)
Cassini - NASA (USA)
2001 Mars Odyssey - NASA (USA)
Mars Express - NASA (USA)
Opportunity Rover - NASA (USA)
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter - NASA (USA)
New Horizons - NASA (USA)
ARTEMIS P1/P2 - NASA (USA)
Dawn - NASA (USA)
Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - NASA (USA)
Curiosity rover - NASA (USA)
MAVEN - NASA (USA)
Voyager 1 - NASA (USA)
Voyager 2 - NASA (USA)
Chang'e 2 - CNSA (China)
Chang'e 3 - CNSA (China)
Chang'e 5-T1 - CNSA (China)
Hayabusa 2 - JAXA (Japan)
Akatsuki - JAXA (Japan)
Rosetta - ESA (EU)
Mangalyaan - ISRO (India)
Did I miss any? Any that shouldn't be there?
>India will launch a Mars mission in your lifetime.
>It will fail on planet due to "bowel related complications"
>Olympus Mons will become a designated shitting mountain
>corpses in the Martian sand
Violation of conservation of momentum seems pretty damn unlikely though. It's like when those people supposedly measured superluminal neutrinos, tried again and again for YEARS just to be sure, then finally published their results - only to find out it was a cable problem all along.
For things like that I could even work with Russians.
is there someone here who sees the solar system in this way?
the sun bending the space-time while it moves away from the center of the unierse.
>measured superluminal neutrinos.
by the power of greyskull.
This is what the ship that NASA will eventually build for a 2030s Mars mission will look like
Well, microorganism created the first oxygen atmosphere on Earth. That is called the great oxygenation event and it killed most of the stuff that lived on earth before. Oxygen was pure poison for it. But this took place over hundreds of millions of years.
"On July 28, 1960, the second Vostok test flight lifted from LC-1 at Baikonour, carrying two dogs Chaika and Lisichka. About 15 seconds into launch, a fire broke out in the Blok G strap on, which detached from the stack at T+20 seconds. The 8K72 booster disintegrated, the core and strap-ons flying off in random directions and impacting the steppe. Ground controllers issued a command to separate the payload shroud, detach the descent module, and activate the parachutes, but as the capsule was at too low an altitude for them to deploy in time, the dogs were killed on impact with the ground. The accident was traced to vibration that caused the combustion chamber in the Blok G strap-on to disintegrate. This created a considerable uproar as the problem, which had plagued previous R-7 launches, had been supposedly fixed."
"On December 1, Korabl-Sputnik 3 was launched successfully, carrying the dogs Pchelka and Mushka. After a day in space, the retrorocket was fired for deorbit, but it burned almost to fuel depletion which put the capsule on a trajectory that would result in it landing outside the USSR's territory. The self-destruct package on the capsule was activated, killing both dogs."
"On December 22, the dogs Damka and Krasavka were launched. The 8K72 booster carried an enhanced Blok E upper stage, which would be the variant used for manned Vostok launches. However, the unproven rocket stage malfunctioned; the gas generator failed after a few seconds of burn time and orbital velocity could not be achieved. The Vostok was ejected from the Blok E and subjected to a rough ballistic reentry in frigid winter weather. Recovery crews were in a frantic rush to find it before the destruct mechanism activated, but they got there in time, disarmed it, and recovered both dogs alive."
yea and it turned out its the best rocket ever made ,
not a fantasy m8 , a manmade probe could arrive at alpha centauri within out lifetime . but its true that we barely know anything about our own moon in terms of data volume .
manned moon station when ?.