/int/ - space

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SpaceX has been the one to get the most media attention, but there are several others aiming at their market

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANv5UfZsvZQ

I hope I'll live to see affordable space tourism.

We mad so much progress in such a short time, without any kind of competition, crisis or rivalry, its funny to see how little we've accomplished in terms of space exploration now

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>>54033959
>>54034089

SpaceX, along with other companies are developing their own capsules and descent vehicles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Pm8ZY0XJI

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>>54033986

A company called Bigelow Aerospace is making a lot of progress on making inflatable space habitats.

NASA is taking a serious look at their tech and the rumors are that it will play a key part in whatever is built after the ISS is decommissioned.

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>>54034362

A module is supposed to be tested on the ISS soon

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The Dream Chaser. NASA has started to show interest in it again after gave some funding to other private companies last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CziLKIZNg5c

I just want a ship that can take off from a runway and get to space

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>>54035277

A company called Reaction Engines in the UK has been claiming for 3 decades now that it can build one.

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Elon ain't gonna save our dream of space exploration in this life because the economics of reusable space flight don't add up.

Sorry, bro, this is the age of race war or undersea exploration. Born too late, born too early.

>>54035669

>European negativity

>>54035758
It's called realism. Space industry is gonna grow very slowly. Evolutionary, not revolutionary.

>>54033891
I'd say a mission to Mars by the end of the century is a 50/50 given at this point.

Other than that, It's hrs to say what strides we'll make in space travel by the end of the century

Don't really care 2bh

Last thing I want to look at is planet Earth with shit floating around in its gravity field.

The unexplored oceans are more interesting.

>>54037706
Now is the best time in human history to explore the world though

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>other countries in charge of caring about space

Depressing is not a strong enough word.

baka @ u senpaitachi

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Seems they only care about these threads when shit blows up

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space tits

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>>54038093
Depressing is that there's not a big enough market in space to drive a gold rush and no inter-governmental race for prestige like between USA and USSR back in the day.
But, yeah, one German guy and a handfull Americans in this thread is depressing, too. Add a Russian and you have all that ever mattered in space together.

>>54036035
End of the century? I wouldn't be surprised if there is a manned colony by 2030.

>>54035669
Nobody gives a shit about undersea exploration and that is a good thing.

While Mars is barren, Earth's oceans are precious so leave them alone.

>>54038871
It's possible but the will isn't there and that's the biggest challenge for us.

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>>54038865
Don't worry German bro, I think there was a big surge in interest after SpaceX demonstrated that renewable booster. That plus increasing tech quality means that we are at the dawn of of a new space age.

Humanity will die before colonizing another planet.

>>54038943
Maybe not in NASA, but Elon Musk has flat out stated that he wants to go to Mars and SpaceX as a private company has far more motivation than a government agency with its funding slashed.

>>54039050
>Memelon Musk

Hello Reddit!

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>>54038970
Yeah, they got a lot of people interested. That's a great thing. But I don't see the reusability bringing a cost reduction beyond 30% in the medium term. Long term is another thing but by then I'll be an old fuck.

>>54038881
>Nobody gives a shit about undersea exploration
The undersea economy is having a little gold rush atm. The whole UUV technology advances that we can see in the military are driven largely by independent private sector developments.

>>54039050
No don't get me wrong I bet NASA is psyched, but remember they are slaves of congress first.

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>>54039216
You never know, there might be another breakthrough.
>>54039122
>privatization is bad for innovation
You dropped this

>>54039216
>30%


Nigger do you know how much money that is for a company? Especially an aerospace company?

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>>54033891
We will find a new planet and fuck it up too

>>54033891
>What is your opinion of humanities future in space?
it will be built in space, not on earth
>What do you think about the ...
not much, i see it as driven by vanity more than the spirit of exploration
>There has been an explosion of start ups/companies ...
yep, it's slowly taking place here too, but of what you mentioned i only see true potential in habitation and mining, of which mining and assembly will determine our success in expansion the most
this re-entrant, re-usable rocketry is a waste of time, money and brainpower

>>54033891
>What is your opinion of humanities future in space?
>What do you think about the massive internal space race that has taken place in America over the last 15 years between private companies?
This is all bullshit, 2bh.
Rocket engines are the last century, litteraly.
Some new principles of movement should be create.

>>54039508
>underage
Oh yeah? How do we 'fuck up' a planet that is a sterile rock?

>>54039532
>it's slowly taking place here too
When will Estonian spaceships conquer the universe?

>>54039548
>we will have other options in the next 30 year liek worm holes, quantum hyperspace drive n stuff

Nope.

>>54033891


i wonder if its possible to have a fueling station in orbit so that rockets dont have to carry that much fuel on themselves. it might seem problematic, but if its solved they could create a sustainable business and launches become even cheaper. i think i read this somewhere. get fuel from asteroids, or moon ice.

>>54033891
A pipe-dream. Man will never live on the moon or Mars, at most there will be a manned mission to Mars.

Space habituation is not possible, since bone decay would happen fast for one thing. Space mining is also a dumb idea, there is nothing to mine there that would outweigh the cost and risk.

Buck Roger fantasies of space travel belong in the 1950s.

>>54039672
there is no such thing a a spaceship of one nationality, but to answer your question, if our solar sail technology turns out to be viable then somewhere in the near 20 years there might be a deep space exploration mission that is based on our technology...

>>54039679
If the asteroid was already in Earth orbit or moved there then harvested for LOX fuels then maybe, but you'd have to have customers who would need to fill up first before that model made sense. We could build a gas station in the middle of Antarctica but it won't turn a profit unless someone comes by and actually wants to fill up. If there was a colony on the Moon or Mars first this might be a good idea.

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>>54039421
>You never know, there might be another breakthrough.
Yep, and that's the best argument to keep working on it. I'm sure following the developments with excitement.
Anticipating technological breaktrough is almost like looking into the crystal sphere. If you just think that e.g. James Clerk Maxwell never sought to invent radio or tv or radar, but was just a nerd playing with equations from a Frenchman who had investigated electromagnetic phenomena and added something to make the equations look more aesthetic.

>>54039810
>there is no such thing a a spaceship of one nationality

there isn't?

>>54039810
>there is no such thing a a spaceship of one nationality
Oh, really. Ok then.

>>54039679

Fuel depots in L1 or L2 are in NASAs plans for human deep space exploration mission architecture

It is an old concept

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_Gateway_Platform

>>54039947
a-aren't most spaceships of one nationality? the iss is the rare exception...

>>54039945
>>54039947
>>54040111
can't tell if trolling or very very uneducated...

>>54039216
30% is huge

>>54040168

What do you mean then?

>>54040168
What could possibly America and Russia know about building spaceships.

>>54039674
antigravity

>>54040293
I don't know what the fuck he is talking about. I'm guessing his English is too shit too explain.

>>54040293
there is no large space program that isn't a multinational endeavor

>>54040313
are you a country?

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>>54040333
oh course, i forgot

>>54040351
the "E" in NASA stands for Estonian

>>54033891
I'd prefer if it were done by (inter)national agencies so as to make sure the finding benefit all of humanity but I guess someone has to pick up the baton. Right now those companies at least seem cooperative. It's exciting that it seems to pick up momentum again, anyway.

>Sedna will come to perihelion around 2075–2076. This close approach to the Sun provides an opportunity for study that will not occur again for 12,000 years. Although Sedna is listed on NASA's Solar System exploration website, NASA is not known to be considering any type of mission at this time. It was calculated that a flyby mission to Sedna could take 24.48 years using a Jupiter gravity assist, based on launch dates of 6 May 2033 and 23 June 2046.
>It was calculated that a flyby mission to Eris could take 24.66 years using a Jupiter gravity assist, based on launch dates of 3 April 2032 and 7 April 2044.
You think we'll be ready not to let those fuckers slip by?
I'm also holding out for the Rosseta mission wrap-up, will hopefully get us some significant insights.
>>54033986
what you want in all that void lmao
>>54037706
>>54037959
>Estimates on the number of Earth's current species range from 10 million to 14 million, of which about 1.2 million have been documented and over 86 percent have not yet been described.
Gather the expedition party, boys. We meet tomorrow morning at the harbor.
>>54038871
>by 2030
Yeah, and India will be a world power.
>By the mid-2030s, I believe we can send humans to orbit Mars and return them safely to Earth. And a landing on Mars will follow. And I expect to be around to see it.
t. Obama
Seeing as they've been claiming to be able to do it 20 years into the future for decades this is not even a likely estimate. And then if you finally reach it, the question remains if you can really set up a colony on your first arrival; again, questionable.
>>54039548
There are a lot of challenges in theoretical physics to be solved first.

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>You will never conquer the galaxy in the name of the human race and in of the emperor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFkbyajVWR8

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>>54040389
and the ISRO

>>54040333

That may never happen.

We don't even know much about gravity. Just tis month we found gravitational waves


https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/science-ticker/first-run-gravitational-wave-search-winds-down-rumors-abound

Any news on the memedrive?

>>54040439
The Imperium of Man?

>>54040448
go to their site and apply for a job, they accept even dumb americans

>>54034362
We Arklets now holy shit. Now just gotta capture that iron asteroid.

>>54039977


yes this is what i meant but not in lassagna points but in orbit for rockets to launch satellites etc

too bad they wont make it and the iss is getting shut down

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>>54040458


just make a gravitational surfboard

>>54040389
>those tiny american, russian, chinese and indian space programs

>>54040409
kekked

>>54040649
they are all multinational and rely heavily on international co-operation

can you pls stop dick-waving with things you have no part in and apply some sense in discussion instead?

>>54040733
ok the Chinese don't like to mention it but they literally stole everything from the Russians.

>>54040733
>national programs are multinational
war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength

>>54040808
i hear the russians stole their mission control computers from the usa, but could only make parts of it work
and you stole a shitload of rocketry design from them because your own designs were vastly inferior...

>>54040905
yes, your command of english language and paradoxes is excellent, but that is the way things are done...

>>54040905
Russia has some great science fiction, I want to learn Russian so I can read it in the original language.

How is your new spaceport coming?

>>54040233
>>54039455
Yes, 30% is big. But it's still not enough to achieve true profitability. That's because a big chunk of the costs is currently hidden und payed for by governments: operating a launch pad. No launch service provider, not even Arianespace, who are still market leader in commercial launches by some margin, would be in the profit zone if you added the costs of the launch pads to their balance sheets. Same goes for SpaceX. But we need to truly reach break even in all costs to really achieve annual self-feeding growth.

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>>54040488
What meme drive? Warp?
If you mean fusion drive then we'd first have to build a reactor. At least that endeavor is looking tentatively promising right now.

>>54033891
Ask me after 100-200 more years when we have technologies to travel and settle. Only investments yet.

>>54041062
meme drives: hyper drive, warp drive, wormhole, em drive (fake physics) , teleportation is /x/ tier

conceptual drives: orion nuclear pulse, fusion drive, anti-matter/matter drives

real drives: rockets with various fuels, VASIMIR, solar sails, ion drive, SABRE

only the bottom is plausible in our lives

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I'm putting big hopes into future space tourism: from small suborbital jump to holidays on a private space station. Of course this will be a thing for millionaires only at first. But airliners begang the same way.

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I always liked this presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fturU0u5KJo

2bh we need to form some kind of multinational space agency to pool money and technology into one rather than a bunch of shitty (Indian) attempts to get to already achieved goals

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>>54041781
Indeed. But that's a huge political obstacle with numerous parliaments interfering with budgets from year to year.

>>54041954
America should just annex the world 2bh

>>54041781
Do you watch The Expanse?

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>>54035523
skylon is shit . fucking poo in the loo shitters are gonna make their air-augmented rocket spaceplane before brits finish this . and desu SSTOs are a meme .

>>54034895
nice to see an actually viable spaceplane design .

i think the future of humanity in space is first getting earth orbit prices low , developing efficient propulsion (nuclear\electric) and then building robotic maintenance\refueling\assembly facilities on moons\asteroids possibly using local resources in the process .
i dont think sending humans to other planets is a really good idea other then for short excursions for PR reasons (humans to mars for example) . i would like to see an ISS-like station on earth's moon ,there's a shitton of research to be done on the moon and we could build telescopes on it which would have the benefits of space telescopes while being accessible to humans to fix\upgrade .

>>54042149
no lad, i don't watch a lot of tv

>>54042161
Israel should go to space, it's the one place you can be safe from derka.

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>>54042161
>SSTOs are a meme
Well, the Space Shuttle was originally to work in conjunction with the Space Tug, which shuttles between low and high orbits. Such a configuration actually makes sense, if you can make it work economically.

>space thread
>almost exclusively Russian, German and US flags
subthermospheric humanlets BTFO

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dumping space related pics

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>>54042149
its pretty shit as a show but the scifi is the best i've seen . they actually burn to slow down and rendezvous with something and theres no magic gravity on ships unless they're burning to accelerate .

>>54042517
too many sheqels to orbit these days , besides we are completely safe and have enough nukes to glass anyone who really threatens our country.
31.767338, 34.887885 , mirin my silos ?.

as for rockets we have an ok satellite launch system and some of the worlds best anti-ballistic systems .

>>54042530
to take things higher then shuttle orbits, not to bring them to orbit shuttle was never going to be SSTO and one of its main point is getting thos expensive as fucks shuttle engines back to earth. the whole SSTO meme is about not destroying equipment with every launch , and i think reusable boosters is a much better way to go about it instead of trying to do SSTOs.

spacex boosters are great (except the whole trying to land them in the ocean idea) but i'd like too see glider-boosters like the russian concept i posted earlier .

>>54043007
>nukes
So you admit it!

>>54040458
>That may never happen.
Do not say that.
It is the core of the whole question of travelling.
Nobody knows what gravity is. But some day we (humanity) will find the sourse of it.

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>>54042161


if a space telescope is built on the moon, or anything, it would be an anchor for space investment and a compromise that every involved country would have to mantain for perpetuity. its possibly all thats needed for space industry to finally kickstarted

>>54042937
You are so rude.

>>54043068
what exactly needs to be admitted ?.we dont wanna sign bullshit treaties and have a clusterfuck of people asking for regulation and for someone to check on our nuclear research facility \ warheads.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzPGOBsBXJU

Space X Heavy is the future

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>>54043007
Arianespace and Roskomos pondered together the idea of liquid fly-back boosters and discarded it sometime afterwards, because it wasn't worth it. The initial design was little more than a cylinder, wings, the engine and a turbofan on the back. But the exponential factor of the rocket equation takes its toll and it ended as something huge like a full grown airbus with four engines.

>>54043235
But it is still much more weaker then Saturn 5.
Why?

>>54039897
>>54043187
this/

The fastest (by far) objects made by humans are American.

Voyager I

Voyager II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou6JNQwPWE0

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>>54041455


only if its a huge 5 star hotel bordering on sci fi space station. i wouldnt risk my life, and an incredibly uncomfortable ride, to remain only 5 days or so in a claustrophobic cluttered mess with only 1 worthwile window (iss). waiting gfor the steve jobs of space hotels.

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>>54043007
To be fair Congress fucked with Shuttle design by making the military and civilian design melt into one thing. The military requirements fucked up the economics.

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>>54043187
yea, we have amazing fuckhuge telescopes on earth that require a lot of humans to operate and maintain them but are fucked by the atmosphere (like pic related) , and we have space telescopes that dont get fucked by the atmosphere but have a shitton of limitations on them because they have to function away from any people and have to be light and small to be sent to orbit .

with a moon telescope and base you could do both moon research and assemble and operate large telescopes without atmosphere bullshit . also on the far side of moon you can use them without any ambient light from the earth or the moon or anything .

having a fuckhuge active-optic 100 meter+ telescope on the moon is the next big step in space exploration .

>>54043463
nice graphic
>N1
noice

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>>54043545
The space tourists we had till date payd tens of millions for what is currently available. It's hard to estimate the size of the market, but there definitely is one.

>>54043463
Thanks for the pic.
Saturn 5 is the greatest.
But it is fake. ^)))))

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>>54043545
So Elysium?

>>54043586
also i forgot to mention it but less gravity = much easier to do shit like huge mirrors , putting this in orbit is optimal but on the moon is more realistic for maintenance \ upgrades .

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>>54043622
>>54043655
it lacks some of the newer stuff, but its the one with most of the rockets in it.

>>54043646
>there definitely is one
Surely. I'm a space enthusiast and the interest still shocked me. The companies that are promising flights have already sold out their tickets even though they are A) super expensive B) dangerous and C) in many cases the hardware + crafs aren't even finished yet!

I couldn't believe it.

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>>54043704
You could also place it on a Lagrange point and spare the risky landing on the Moon.

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>>54043173
>But some day we (humanity) will find the sourse of it.
I'd rather stay away from the source desu.
>>54043187
Possibly, but it's a daunting task, despite the relative accessibility. This isn't comparable to some ISS module.
>>54043220
B-but I was just aggressively trying to get more nations to participate.
>>54043320
>we've finally exited the stupid Heliosphere
GET HYPE BOYS, NOTHINGNESS AHEAD
>>54043507
REEEE THEY HAD A HEAD START

>>54043809
Mars is dead desert.
Nobody will make it alive.

>>54040434
>I'd prefer if it were done by (inter)national agencies so as to make sure the finding benefit all of humanity

This, Corporations should stay the fuck away from space.

It sucks shit that NASA has basically been guttered since the 80s and nobody apart from the Russians had a serious space program.

Also fuck SpaceX, Elon Musk is a giant crony capitalist fuckwit. "Duuur my entire company and fortune was built on Government contracts, but there should be legislation blocking out anyone else from getting Government contracts"

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>>54043752
Yeah, that's why I said I put my hopes into space tourism. I think it's the best chance to spur real independet private sector growth.

>>54043463
>N1

I wonder if given time this thing would have actually flown, the tech in it was decades ahead of its time, not even NASA had anything close to it in the 90s.

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>>54043320
im not talking about a powered jet booster, its just that the spacex way seems inefficient as fuck when you could be using the air to glide the rocket to the runway the same way the shuttle\buran glide to land .
for example pic relates , the 4 boosters seperate at suborbital trajectories and have folded wings to glide to an airfield and the main rocket is sort of a reverse-shuttle ,it gets to orbit releases payload from its sip and then glides to land just life shuttle\buran .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_NTQ6xfAT4
i mean we have autonomous spaceplanes in the 80s .

>>54043842
Mars = gf

Russia = virgin

>>54043842
We can bring it to life in a few millennia. It's a good project for humanity to be given a clean slate where they can work together for a common positive goal: make us a two planet species

>>54044029
I have a gf already.
I wish you'll have too.

>>54043550
dont they have their own rockets (delta\atlas or something) just for USAF satellites ?, why would they need a shuttle ?.
and yea its a huge waste of money getting all that mass to orbit and back

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>>54043463
Poland can into space

>>54044074
Mars surface can produce nothing even with water.
Life needs black priming. Who will bring it?
Many trains of priming.

>>54043809
as i said orbital telescopes are ideal, no for all the shit that keeps the mirrors aligned against gravity.
the problem is assembling the thing , huge ass telescopes on earth have a lot of infrastructure around them to support it and what im saying is we could build that on the moon as we have a shitton of research to do there anyways .
or you could send tons of mirrors to a lagrange point and have a bunch of robot arms assemble the thing in open space but developing this tech is a shitton of RND away and has many point where it can fail but then so is my moon telescope idea .

>>54044322
>russians don't know how to use their own shit

>>54041265
nuclear pulse is real too, it's just that the "muh nuclear is baaad" crowd ruined it forever.

Earth will become as Mars with Sahara an shiet.
But it is ok. It will be not in our time.

Hopefully ESA will sponsor a Mars colonization programme soon.

>>54044677
Yes. I do not belive that humanity will stop robbing Earth.

I've worked on some space projects.
I think the near future of space exploration is looking pretty positive. There are a lot of amazing things being done.

However, I don't think we will ever see homo sapiens colonize the solar system or galaxy. Our bodies just simply aren't designed for the incredibly adverse environments and insane lengths of travel time out there. Spacecraft engineering is always a monumental struggle against thermodynamics and introducing the need to keep human bodies alive for any notable length of time or distance bloats most projects to the point of infeasibility.

I do think some form of the human mind has a good chance of one day exploring the universe - if we're lucky enough to go another couple thousand years without getting smacked by a planet-killer asteroid or GRB. I'm not into transhumanism as a philosophy or goal but I think we're slowly moving in the direction of broadening our concept of humanity and our willingness to hybridize with our technology.

>>54044646
If launched from Earth, yeah, I agree it would be pretty fucking terrible.

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>>54043996
engines themselves were fucking awesome, but the fact that the rocket had billion of them meant there was just too many failures and with Korolev dead, Politburo axed the program.

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>>54044677
>>54044750
The Maze is one thing. . . . but you kids wouldn't last one day in The Scorch!

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i really wish some country would sputnik american and russia into another space race , if theres one good thing that came out of the cold was its the space race. if only it wasnt for memey shit like 'first to the moon' and a race for actual exploration\science .

>muh nuclear is baaad
if only three mile\chernobyl didnt happen . seriously theres nothing worse then antinuclearfags , there's literally MORE RADIATION from coalburning plants then nuclear and modern nuclear is safe as fuck . we'd be living in a fucking utopia if not for this shit , hating on nuclear is like wanting to ban cars because of car accidents instead of making cars safer\rules\regulations .

>>54044756
Sure, it would have to be constructed in orbit. Or it could use standard propulsion for lift-off and then the separated module could use nuclear, problem solved.

>>54044827
use simple english

>>54044874
was the main part also automatic or did it land with crew inside?

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>>54044756
yea but think project orion but assembled and launched from high earth orbit . seems like a great idea desu .
ground-launching is will not only cause bad shit on earth but probably wont get it to orbit because atmosphere+fuckhuge explosions+spacecraft dont mix .

also not having to take air into account while building it will make it much more efficient .

we can never into space

>>54044874
>seriously theres nothing worse then antinuclearfags
Tell me about it, I live near the last nuclear plant in CA.
The local protest group is even worse than the brady campaign when it comes to ignoring facts and basing arguments on MUH FEELINS.

>>54040973
>and you stole a shitload of rocketry design from them because your own designs were vastly inferior

>we stole Russian rocket designs

I'm pretty sure the liquid rocket engine was invented by an American (Robert Goddard). Also the only nationality we might have "stolen" rocket tech from was Germany.

>>54044811
It was Korolev's fault the damn thing wouldn't fly. He despised hypergolic propellants and would not have Vladimir Chelomei's proposed UR-700 booster which was basically a Proton scaled up to Saturn V size. But since Soviet manufacturing tech wasn't up to producing large LOX/kerosene engines, they ended up with 30 small engines, an unworkable spaghetti mess.

>>54044884
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92BpmY7xpRc
3:01

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>>54044967
pretty sure this concept was autonomous but they had human rated ones as well .
and the final buran shuttle could do both .

pic related is another project of an air launched spaceplane where only the fuel tank is not reusable . because its basically the same engine in both vaccum and air they made the engine so it can burn a hydrogen\kerosene (jet fuel) mixture in air and pure hydrogen in vaccum .

>>54043996
I'm fairly sure it could have. Space exploration unfortunately is inherently a luxury.
>>54044074
Ever the optimist, I see.
To be fair we still don't know enough about either the object of our desire or the inherent challenges in terraforming (especially on so grand a scale) to put forth any such predictions, though if science were to progress at an equally exponential pace as in the 20th century, especially with recursive self-improvement of AI this might be feasible.
>>54044409
>and has many point where it can fail but then so is my moon telescope idea .
Exactly. Even on earth this calls for super-precise work. Doing that in an environment we have very little practical experience with is more than we can currently hope to accomplish.
>>54044755
>I've worked on some space projects.
Neat, got any details you feel comfortable telling us?
>However, I don't think we will ever see homo sapiens colonize the solar system or galaxy. Our bodies just simply aren't designed for the incredibly adverse environments and insane lengths of travel time out there. Spacecraft engineering is always a monumental struggle against thermodynamics and introducing the need to keep human bodies alive for any notable length of time or distance bloats most projects to the point of infeasibility.
If anything it would be a staged approach anyway. Distances in our solar system do not require something as illusionary as generation ships (and the other planets aren't in the running anyway). The solar system I can kind of see; anything else is pure science fiction at this point.
>I do think some form of the human mind has a good chance of one day exploring the universe - if we're lucky enough to go another couple thousand years without getting smacked by a planet-killer asteroid or GRB. I'm not into transhumanism as a philosophy or goal but I think we're slowly moving in the direction of broadening our concept of humanity and our willingness to hybridize with our technology.

>>54044022


spacex is most likely doing it because they want to be able to land on mars. and im sure you cant glide on mars.

>>54043996
And no really, N1 was not more advanced than the Saturn V in a number of ways. The first stage did have more thrust due to all those engines, but overall no, the technology was cruder.

>>54045199
theres this one pro-nuclear movie where he goes to an anti-nuclear protest and dosnt tell them he's pro-nuclear , just gives bananas to people . the point being that the radiation from that banana is more then all the radiation that plant gives off .

seriously nuclear is clean as fuck all the radioactive water runs in a closed circuit and is only used to heat clean water which comes out of the plant clean .

>>54033891
honestly, I think the Earth is beyond saving. We're living through a mass extinction event and its just getting worse. No generation will try to stop or help because they know that the damage won't hit them, but future generations. Unless the entire world moves away from non-sustainable economic tactics the only way forward is the unlimited resources of space. If we make it another 3-4 hundred years humanity might become a the first real multi-planet species. That's why I'm currently doing a physics degree and looking for tech firm intern ships as fast as I can, I want to make sci-fi just sci.

>>54041754
This may be a dumb question, but if Venus is closer to Earth, why not make a mission to Venus first?

>>54045619
How would you land there when the surface temperature is 900F, has crushing air pressure, and it rains sulfuric acid.

>>54045481
They are, Musk doesn't say it in public (wise choice desu ) very often but that was always the point of SpaceX, and some of his other businesses as well.

>>54045481
not at all, the only reason they're doing it is to save money on the multi million dollar boosters .refueling and refurbishing costs in the tens\hundreds of thousands but building new ones costs in the millions .

this tech dosnt translate into mars landing in any way . mars landing and getting to orbit from mars is actually way easier because of less gravity \ less 'air'.

>>54045619
>>54045683
Don't land on the surface at all, use blimp cities.

Normal air will float and at a certain altitude the air pressure is the same as sea level on Earth, you'd just have to wear a poncho to keep acidic off.

The main factor holding space exploration back is the fact every craft has to be able to fly in/out of a gravity well. Once we get a serious space colony going - probably a mining operation on an asteroid captured in Earth orbit - it'll become massively simpler. Settling of other worlds could even happen within our lifetime.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6goNzXrmFs

>>54045683
It's not like the astronauts are going to run around naked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_(rocket_engine)


Looks nice fåm

>>54045468
>>54044755
>comment too long
cont.
I think this is an inevitable development. At least in fiction most space-faring civilisations have undergone such, simply because outer space is so hostile to any kind of conceivable life.
Let's hope enough humanity is preserved at this point to cheer for it.
>>54045577
We just got a historic climate pact on the way. Sure, it might still be too lenient to salvage things, but it sure as hell could fix your attitude.
>>54045619
If Hell were a physical place it'd be Venus.

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>there is an alternate universe where NASA went for the X-33 over the space shuttle and we're decades further ahead
>we were all supposed to grow up watching the Europan colony being founded

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>>54045619
the equivalent of 'distance' in terms of spacecraft is delta-v which is basically how much you need to accelerate (how much speed you 'have') to get somewhere .

something can be 10 meters away from you but going super fast so to get to it you need a gorillion delta v to match its speed . pic is a 'map' of how much speed you need for anything int he solar system . note that if you have a rocket and you want a rocket with twice the deltaV you need to make it much more then twice as heavy .

also the whole mars meme exists because its the most 'earthlike' planet . there are manned-venus mission ideas but they involve shit like having your spacecraft float in the venus clouds like an airship .

>>54045947
>NASA work then leads to a Euro colony
Fuck you brit!

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BRITAIN CAN INTO SPACE

But seriously, is Skylon the most promising project out there? Sucks that no government will pick it up.

>>54045947
That looks like Titan.

>>54046083
>Skylon
It doesn't really exist, cocktail napkin idea with no funding.

>>54045723
nah he's doing the same thing he did with paypal, he sees a market that has the potential to explode(like in a good way) if they manage to get launch costs low enough .
helping space exploration is just a little side-benefit , its all about the money .

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>>54046012
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(moon)

Europan as in the moon, not the Earth continent. Not that I'd be averse to the ESA being the ones to get there.

>>54045947


had korolev died a decade later. no, had the ussr taken the china route earlier, there would be at least 2 cities on the moon right now.

>>54046158
>just for the money
Ballsy investment. Literally pie in the sky.

>>54046152
>with no funding

Which is exactly why a government (or the EU/ESA) should pick it up. India is already working on their own spaceplane, it'll be plain embarrassing if they're the ones to crack it. Skylon's concept is sound enough for the US military to be interested.

http://www.space.com/26838-air-force-hypersonic-skylon-space-plane.html

>>54046259
My mistake, you did say Europan, not European. You had me going there for a moment anon, Europe's colony days are over.

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>NASA is getting their shit back together just as two potential superpowers emerge

Should've funded them back when the USSR's collapse gave you some breathing space, but better late than never.

>>54045947
They were trying to make a composite tank for the X-33 that didn't work out at the time, but it can be done now.

>>54039934
Antimatter can change that. Its the most potent enrgy source in the universe. its probabky the only fuel source that is capable of powering a spaceship that could travel to distant star systems.


> ANTIMATTER: Mining antimatter from spaceIt’s the most potent energy source known. Annihilating just a half of a gram of matter and antimatter unleashes the same energy given out by the bomb that flattened Hiroshima. But there’s a catch. The world’s particle accelerator labs currently turn out just 10 billionths of a gram of antimatter per year, at a total cost of around $600,000. However, scientist James Bickford, of the Draper Laboratory in Massachusetts, believes nearly four tonnes of antimatter drifts naturally into our Solar System every year – much of which he says will be snagged by the magnetic field of Jupiter, from where it could be scooped up by a suitably equipped spacecraft.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/russian-moon-base-plan-falls-victim-to-budget-cuts-a6789926.html

Fugg fugg FUUUUGGGGGGGGG

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>>54046083
nah , they dont have enough money for it .
>>54046324
true , but they're already making good money even if all their boosters explode while landing , if they manage to land them safely their profit margins will skyrocket (le cool pun).

>>54045835
yea its a rocket engine made for mars exploration and colonization but hwat you need to understand is that space exploration is literally funded by memes .
>first to space meme
>first human\animal to space meme
>sputnik meme
>first to moon meme
>space race meme
they really big cash flows to space exploration when it convinces the public theres some nice big juicy thing it can achieve , usually something that in of itself has no value to actual scientists . im not saying they dont do actual good science along the way but the public support for the funding of all this is so they can say 'yea we achieved -thing-'.

just look at all the americans memeing about their flag on the moon .(not to disrespect the apollo program i literally pop boners just reading about it).

the trick is to distract the public\politicians with memes (mars colonization these days) to get their money and do actual good space science with it ,

>>54046002
>27 delta v from low orbit to Venus
O-okay then, Mars it is.

>>54046002
>add up delta-V's along the path
so... you need to go 20km/s to get to mars?

>>54046614
it would be easier to produce in an accelerator . they produce so little antimatter because their not built for it and storing it after you produced it in a controlled environment would be much easier then trying to catch it with a spacecraft .
storing it alone is a fuckhuge challenge .

>read article about moon colony
>scroll down to comments
>They should be investing here not spending god knows how much on a moon base unless they're planning on moving all the politicians up there!!!!
>this is great news if true we can send all the immigrants there

JDIMSA

>>54046878
news at 11
99% of people are dumb

>>54046846
>storing it alone is a fuckhuge challenge

In which case, probably better to take it straight from space. Especially if it's been coralled into a suitably small area by, say, a planet's magnetic field.

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>>54046792
>>54046825
also these numbers were calculated by mathematicians and are the deltaV in optimal conditions . you also need the two planets to be closest to each other for the fastest path .

pic related is mars's path relative to earth. they're both spinning around the sun but earth goes faster because its closer so the mars-earth distance changes and is periodic .

>>54045380
We actually caught the Soviets by surprise when Kennedy put out the goal of landing a man on the Moon by the end of the 60s. They had no plans at that time for a manned lunar program and were forced to rush it, years behind the US (Project Apollo commenced in 1960) and had far less technology/money to play with. The Soyuz project started in 1964, but the design was not finalized until 1966 and looked considerably different from early proposals.

While Moscow was frantically trying to play catch up, the Gemini program was smoothly proceeding and practicing the techniques needed to go to the Moon.

>>54047437
>The Soyuz project started in 1964, but the design was not finalized until 1966 and looked considerably different from early proposals.
So did Apollo for that matter.

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Make French Guiana worth something for once. Build a Space Elevator there.

>>54047521
That is true. The command module ended up being heavier than planned, which meant that the Saturn I booster proved inadequate. Also early proposals for a single spacecraft that would land and take off from the Moon gave way to the separate CSM/LM.

When NASA first put the contract for the CSM up for bidding, there were plenty of eager hands until North American Aviation ultimately got it. The CSM was clearly the juciest plum of the program in part because NASA originally assumed it would be a multipurpose spacecraft for lunar and LEO missions well into the 80s.

For comparison, nobody wanted to build the LM as nobody was sure if it could even be built at all and secondly, it would be retired as soon as the lunar landings were done. After NAA got the CSM contract, Grumman Aviation were awarded the LM job as a consolation prize, which got them a lot of laughs and "LOLgoodluckwiththat" comments from the rest of the aerospace industry.

Grumman ultimately had the last laugh as the LM was the only major component of the Apollo to never suffer a malfunction serious enough to threaten the mission.

>>54047580
>space elevator

>>54041265
Join your meme friends.

Is Earth slowly falling towards the sun?

>>54047677
cool story anon

>>54047779
No.

>>54047903
but why?

>>54047945
Sun is reducing it's mass every second.
Less mass = less gravity.

>>54047779

As far as you are concerned, no.

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>born too early to enjoy a utopia where space travel is common, scientists don't have to worry about funding for projects, jetpacks are advanced and available to all, everything is sustainable and green, etc.

>>54051168
Like someone else said, Buck Rogers visions of outer space need to be left in 1955 where they belong.

>>54046538
Iran is not any future superpower, Faruz.

>>54039508
That's interesting, because in the case of Mars, adding greenhouse gases would only IMPROVE the climate.

>>54043752
If there's one think you can count on rich people to do, it's spend money.

>>54043809
>All those mission failures

why

>>54045619
Venus is a shit-tier planet, while mars has nice things like "water" and "not a hellish inferno".

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>>54045947
>tfw Europa declares independence from the US over taxes

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>>54051653
I was thinking of India. Plus they've already launched a successful Mars mission.

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Wow, didn't expect the thread to survive the night. Good morning everyone.

>>54044022
Gliding requires large wings. That's one of the ways the military requirement fucked up the Space Shuttle. They wanted it to be able to glide so it can reach airfields that are iirc some 2000 miles lateral to the otherwise purely ballistic trajectoy. This required much larger wings. The original civilian Shuttle design had tiny stubble wings.

>>54044262
Those are just sounding rockets. They may or may not reach the 100km threshold but they don't reach an orbit. ;-)

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>>54033891
It's great and all but let me remind you that it would not be possible without Slovene help, just like many other things in history.

>>54044153
Congress saw it as a way to save money: have one project instead of two.

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>>54057756
>'''''''''save''''''''' money
but why would they need it ? all the military need is spy satellites which they can lunch cheaper with normal rockets by not having a huge spaceplane attached to it .

shuttle only makes sense for the space station . if you just wanna launch satellites you might want a reverse-shuttle (like pic related) to reuse engines\everything but using a shuttle seems fucking retarded and pointlessly wasteful .

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when will iran\india\some other shithole make a great space achievement and sputnik us\russia\china into another space race ?.

Unless they somehow figure out an less expensive way to go to space, I don't think most people could afford space travel. Current combustion rockets take too much fuel.

>>54058468
You know so much about astronautics yet you don't know Shuttle was a spaceborne nuclear bomber?

>>54058685
you mean like this thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-36_(missile)#R-36ORB
using a shuttle for this seems fucking retarded when you can just have warheads with small thrusters in orbit that are numerous and are hard to detect instead of a big manned spaceplane .using the shuttle to bomb would still require the bombs to be able to deorbit burn by themselves which defeats the point of having the shuttle launch them .
also they finished the shuttle project after they signed the treaty of no-orbital-nukes.

and i know about astronautics because i worked in the israeli ''''''''space industry'''''''''' and talked to people who actually know about astronautics .

>>54046083
Well, they're only making the engine. The spaceplane is just a proposal that they want others to make.

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>>54058468
They planned on launching, capturing enemy satellites and landing before even completing one orbit. This necessitated large wings in order to change course laterally by a large distance, because the perpendicular position of objects in low earth orbits shifts from orbit to orbit by that distance. This less-than-one-orbit mission was sort of a stealth requirement by the military.

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>>54058542
We just had a micro space race between both Koreas about who'll be the first to launch a satellite, which the North won.

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>>54051710
Yeah but what are you gonna make them out of? On Earth we have an abundance of oxygen and carbon which we combine for energy production. On Mars oxygen is too valuable, be it in pure form or bound in water. In theory there's much oxygen in all that rust, which is basically iron oxide. But taking it out of there actually requires energy instead of producing it. Maybe with all our dreams and hopes of nuclear fusion becoming true that'll become feasible.
Does anyone know how much carbon/carbon compounds are available on Mars?

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hmm, seems I'm gonna have to keep this thread alive alone till America wakes up

>>54041265
>anti-matter/matter drives
>not meme

>>54033891
>What is your opinion of humanities future in space?

There is no future for humans in space because everything human can possibly do there a machine can do better and cheaper.

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>>54063057
That's not really true. It's rather that humans and machines complement each other. Some things machines do better, some things humans do better. Seemingly simple things like locomotion are far easier for humans than for machines. Just think that the rovers on Mars need to have their movements planned for each day by humans just to avoid them getting stuck. That's an awfully slow process of exploration. But of course machines are expendable and thus require less in terms of investment but also yield less explorative value. A human can identify things of interest and immediately react to that. For a rover such a thing may be a project for a whole month, just because the object of interest is a mere 100 meters away.

>>54039122
Just because reddit likes something doesn't mean it's automatically gay

I believe in Elon t b h

>>54044874
geo-political economics, not science, is what keeps us from nucular energies, anon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iiv4MPsYFv4

>>54065059
rip laika
:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1cNaFG1VII

>>54065336
true
educated people are do not need goverment

>>54059627
>stealing satellites
goddammit bugerclaps ... that's taking black culture too far.

>>54063585
>For a rover such a thing may be a project for a whole month, just because the object of interest is a mere 100 meters away.
that's because of the lack of energy . rovers mostly use radioisotope \ solar power and not enough to drive fast 24/7. also we dont trust automated robots to do shit completely autonomously at full speed with a rover that costs a shitton of money .

>>54063057
for most scientific purposes you're right but if the purpose is to test how human bodies work in these conditions you need humans .

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>>54064937
i dont think making nuclear rockets costs that much more then all the other space shit we're developing . and their benefits are huge . we've been using nuclear in space exploration since the 70s .we have nuclear probes and nuclear rovers why not test\develop nuclear engines ?.

we could be probing post neptunian objects \ probe to alpha centauri within a couple of decades .autistically avoiding nuclear is like trying to build a steam car in 2016.

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>>54066794
Energy is always a concern. But the slow speed of movement is primarily due to safety concerns.

>>54043996
The last N1 test flight was quite close to success and was hypothetically salvagable if not for a hard programmed thing about stage separation or something.

Given more funds and testing the thing could have flown.

Martian humans will probably try a 1776.

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Do you sometimes wish there was less light pollution from modern civilization so that you could gaze at the stars during a clear night? And do you believe this shutting out of the starry sky may also shut down people's interest in the worlds beyond our own?

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>>54070627
>tfw 99% of your country has no light pollution

>>54062922
antimatter is real we just can't make enough,
or store it properly,
or explode it safely.....

ok it's still not a meme drive

>>54033891
God Amazon is such a piece of shit with their Blue Meme capsule, getting BTFO by Musk and then claiming "w-we did it first guys"

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>>54071059
But do you actually make use of it or do you stay in the cities?

>>54033891
Human body is not for space.
Our body constantly require oxygen, water many organisms that is really scarce in space to live on.
We will never go far beyond solar system until our "form of life" got drastically modified.

/thread

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>>54073499
“Don't tell me that man doesn't belong out there. Man belongs wherever he wants to go — and he'll do plenty well when he gets there.”

>UK doesn't have a space programme
Why lads
The space age is going to start and we're going to get left behind because Dave Smith in the estate down the road is claiming all our space money as benefits

>>54040637
and where is place for banter ?

>>54070627
There's a record that people could see the zodiacal light in the night some days after Tokyo got horrible strategic bombing by US military in WW2.

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>>54071908

but they did

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>>54075135
The Amazon craft is suborbital.

Also, to people who say that space is a loss of money--satellites are essential to the functioning of a modern society, think trade and science and communication. If you can refuel and repair satellites, there is a profit in there for you. Plus, if your base of operations is on the Moon, you'll probably save on taxes, too.

WE WUZ ALIENS

lmao

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>>54069226
Of course they will.

>>54033891
Biological bodies are weak, robotic ones will be better for space exploriation.

>>54075995
>meme time

>>54073499
"Human body is not for" many places that we comfortably inhabit today. It's called technology, if you have a problem with it go back to East Africa and stay put in the grasslands near the jungle.

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>>54033891
>space mining operations
never

Here is a legitimate question: would the technology required for (actual) space travel and general space use be around now if religion had been proven incorrect, say 20 years ago? After people had settled down that is.

Do you think governments would have stopped throwing shit loads of money towards funding wars and spying on its own people, and finally starting to work towards pushing humanity forward?

I constantly think about where we would be if we didn't have separate governments, no religions, etc.

>>54077156
this.
why does no one bother to do the maths?
space mining is profitable only if you intend to use it to supply space colonies
>>54075995
it's not that human bodies are weak, the problem is all the life support equipment and supplies needed to keep the meatbags alive.

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http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/08/why-explore-space.html

One of the best letters ever written. By Dr. Ernst Stuhlinger in 1970 when he was Associate Director for Science at the Marshall Space Flight Center in answering a nun who questioned the expenses of space sciences.

>>54041265
>em drive (fake physics)
i guess someone forgot to tell all the scientists who independently verified it that it's impossible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H08tGjXNHO4

>>54079366
No, but those physicists forgot to calibrate their equipment.

No big deal, happens all the time.

>>54079730
three independent teams got the same results. they all did the same exact mistake? that does not happen all the time.

>>54080381

They don't even know if the "results" they got meant anything.

Go take a look at the thread on the NSF forum where all this "research" is taking place.

They don't even know what the fuck they are doing.

>>54075809
>The Amazon craft is suborbital.

The Blue Origin craft officially reached space.

This is not in dispute.

>>54079525
I really like the whole PR around the rosetta mission:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trljrwTbr4w&list=PLbyvawxScNbui_Ncl9uQ_fXLOjS4sNSd8

>>54080381
christ he is serious

List of active space probes

Juno - NASA (USA)
Cassini - NASA (USA)
2001 Mars Odyssey - NASA (USA)
Mars Express - NASA (USA)
Opportunity Rover - NASA (USA)
Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter - NASA (USA)
New Horizons - NASA (USA)
ARTEMIS P1/P2 - NASA (USA)
Dawn - NASA (USA)
Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - NASA (USA)
Curiosity rover - NASA (USA)
MAVEN - NASA (USA)
Voyager 1 - NASA (USA)
Voyager 2 - NASA (USA)

Chang'e 2 - CNSA (China)
Chang'e 3 - CNSA (China)
Chang'e 5-T1 - CNSA (China)

Hayabusa 2 - JAXA (Japan)
Akatsuki - JAXA (Japan)

Rosetta - ESA (EU)

Mangalyaan - ISRO (India)
Did I miss any? Any that shouldn't be there?

>India will launch a Mars mission in your lifetime.
>It will fail on planet due to "bowel related complications"
>Olympus Mons will become a designated shitting mountain
>corpses in the Martian sand

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>>54081608
POO IN THE LOO

>>54081548

Also these are probes to study the solar system and such.

I know theres a shit ton of satellites orbiting earth to study our own planet.

How many space agencies' jobs do you have eligibility for?
http://www.space-careers.com/agencies.html

>>54079525
FIRST ONE TO TALK GETS TO STAY ON MY SPACE PROBE

>>54081847

Do you get marked down for believing in toilet witches?

>>54081548
Mars Express is actually an ESA mission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwilh7QREPQ

>>54079525
https://vimeo.com/108650530

>>54076827
>>54077703
Robots don't need food, O2 or water supplies, also they don't need life support systems.

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What do u want me to weld fäm

>>54080573
the results mean they got thrust without a reaction mass.

and it's not like it's the first time something was discovered before the theory for it existed.

>>54083763
Violation of conservation of momentum seems pretty damn unlikely though. It's like when those people supposedly measured superluminal neutrinos, tried again and again for YEARS just to be sure, then finally published their results - only to find out it was a cable problem all along.

>>54084163
it is not necessarily violating it. the force can be caused by radiation pressure.
unlike the neutrinos thing, this effect was replicated independently.

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>>54082851
For things like that I could even work with Russians.

is there someone here who sees the solar system in this way?
the sun bending the space-time while it moves away from the center of the unierse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU

>>54084163
>measured superluminal neutrinos.
by the power of greyskull.

>>54074146
what about that one space plane you nigs are developing? when will that work?

>>54085065
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/03/04/vortex_motion_viral_video_showing_sun_s_motion_through_galaxy_is_wrong.html

>>54039805
We would probably have to spend time in artificial earth levels of gravity.
It is pretty sad that the only thing holding space colonization back is our bodies.

Remember to support ESA my friends

>>54086777
I don't know.
the speed of the sun is ≈220 km/s (orbit around the center of the milky way).

>>54033891
USEA(United States of East Asia) will colonize the planet. The colony will declare independence war.

>>54089989
I mean, Mars.

>>54077703

at one point launches should become cheap enough that the infinite amount of resources out there are profitable to exploit

that said planetary resources is a meme company

>>54033891
Humanity will live and die within the solar system and there is literally nothing you can do about it.

>>54033891
Private corporations owning everything make me feel scared

>>54039508
source !!!

>>54091228
it's okay as long as there's no monopoly.
there has to be at least one viable competitor to spaceX

whatever happened to orbital sciences?

>>54061030
>But taking it out of there actually requires energy instead of producing it.
Maybe we can engineer plants that do it.

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This is what the ship that NASA will eventually build for a 2030s Mars mission will look like

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus-X

>>54092163
>it's okay as long as there's no monopoly.
Pff just wait

>>54092245
Well, microorganism created the first oxygen atmosphere on Earth. That is called the great oxygenation event and it killed most of the stuff that lived on earth before. Oxygen was pure poison for it. But this took place over hundreds of millions of years.

>>54065059
>>54065305
"On July 28, 1960, the second Vostok test flight lifted from LC-1 at Baikonour, carrying two dogs Chaika and Lisichka. About 15 seconds into launch, a fire broke out in the Blok G strap on, which detached from the stack at T+20 seconds. The 8K72 booster disintegrated, the core and strap-ons flying off in random directions and impacting the steppe. Ground controllers issued a command to separate the payload shroud, detach the descent module, and activate the parachutes, but as the capsule was at too low an altitude for them to deploy in time, the dogs were killed on impact with the ground. The accident was traced to vibration that caused the combustion chamber in the Blok G strap-on to disintegrate. This created a considerable uproar as the problem, which had plagued previous R-7 launches, had been supposedly fixed."

"On December 1, Korabl-Sputnik 3 was launched successfully, carrying the dogs Pchelka and Mushka. After a day in space, the retrorocket was fired for deorbit, but it burned almost to fuel depletion which put the capsule on a trajectory that would result in it landing outside the USSR's territory. The self-destruct package on the capsule was activated, killing both dogs."

"On December 22, the dogs Damka and Krasavka were launched. The 8K72 booster carried an enhanced Blok E upper stage, which would be the variant used for manned Vostok launches. However, the unproven rocket stage malfunctioned; the gas generator failed after a few seconds of burn time and orbital velocity could not be achieved. The Vostok was ejected from the Blok E and subjected to a rough ballistic reentry in frigid winter weather. Recovery crews were in a frantic rush to find it before the destruct mechanism activated, but they got there in time, disarmed it, and recovered both dogs alive."

>>54058542
That Sputnik worked at all was an incredible gamble considering that the R-7 had only been flown three times with two failures.

>>54086245
>when will that work?
Skylon? Once it receives a reasonable budget to work with.

see: never

>>54091164
I have no problem with that. Lots of space and great places to explore and expand in our star system.

Fuck the interstellar fantasy.

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>>54094505
yea and it turned out its the best rocket ever made ,
>>54096434
not a fantasy m8 , a manmade probe could arrive at alpha centauri within out lifetime . but its true that we barely know anything about our own moon in terms of data volume .

manned moon station when ?.