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sometimes I feel bad because no women found me worthy as a male
I was born at the year of the rabbit
Is the rabbit good? I wanted to be the dragon
She will probably cut his balls with her nails.
Iirc you earn 32000 yen a day from teaching English
4000 yen a hour 8 hours
She is ripping you off
Thank god my girlfriend already is fluent in English
>Thank god my girlfriend already is fluent in English
Your Moe body pillow doesn't count as a girlfriend.
No fucking clue desu, They never ever speak it except for when I talk to girls studying English at university
A group of them fell head over heels when they handed me a English vocabulary book and I was able to read all the English phrases very clearly and fast with no accent
Random people that I talk to say they speak absolutely none of it though
You need nothing, (you do not even need to be a native speaker) I do not know exactly what you earn but the 4000 yen number is usually what is thrown around
You will go through a interview process and if accepted you go straight to teaching after a few introductory days
>be English teacher in Japan
>get paid to play educational games with children
>get paid to read about my student's dreams and ambitions
>have access to unlimited tea and coffee in the staff room
>can buy Lawson Kara-age kuns when I please
>Hi-chews all day urrday
Please don't listen to>>53957705
he doesn't seem to have any clue what he is talking about. Do your research on your own.
English teaching jobs in Japan vary a great deal so there's no point asking here. But I can tell you for sure if you're making 4000 yen an hour and you're not a native speaker and you have no qualifications, you are also not working 8 hours a day. It is damn near impossible to get a job as a non-native speaker, but if you're making 4000 an hour, you are doing private lessons and you're lucky to get 3 a day.
Stop being so rude, I took what I got from Gabas recruitment page
To teach for them you need nothing
I do not know exactly what you earn as I mentioned but people usually say its around the 4000 yen mark
U wot m8??
There are no full time ESL jobs in Japan that pay 4000 an hour for a full 8 hour day haha u havin a laugh?
Eikaiwa pay works out to like 1500-1800 yen an hour.
There are 4k an hour jobs but they are generally limited hours. For example, ECC's kindergarten program thingy pays 4k an hour but the hours are very limited. It's like a few hours a week.
That pay full time would work out to like 640,000 yen a month. full time ESL teachers make like 250,000 a month bro. You're daft.
Fun fact: Nobuo Uematsu, the famous video game composer majored in english.
We had a young woman who works in a international company in Tokyo as guest in class once and her english was fluent. Teacher said that quite a lot from Tokyo are rather proficient
Sorry for being rude. I just see you as a troll, so when you start talking about things you don't know anything about, coupled with your history of calling English teachers in Japan scum, trash, and not worthy of respect, I get suspicious and come at you hard.
I might be a trolling cuteposter at times but dont you dare tell me that I have implied that I look down on English teachers because I do not
I have on the other hand said that English teaching in general seems to be looked down upon over here but that has nothing to do with my personal opinions
Did some small attempts like refreshing my ockupid and interpals etc but still cant be bothered to take it further
Talked with a lot of qts during a meet a gaijin meetup, it was quite fun and I ended up talking to a lot of people and rubbed some bellies and got some facebook adds and so on
That is just the impression I have got
I did write >>>Seems<<< after all
The whole English teaching in Japan being a bit of a irl meme among people I talk to since they tend to take jabs at them
This American guy also was really pissed because a lot of people did not like him and said that straight into his face
My friend had a problem with his girlfriends family because he was a English teacher and it took a while for them to accept him
And just all around general complaints about the profession on the internet and how some guys are treated like shit
None of the guys I have talked to that is not English teachers say they are treated just fine
English teaching always come up since most of they guys I talk to are just that, they say it is pretty shit
The Japanese I talk to just say that their teachers aint very good
I do not hang out with people that much but when I do go out to gatherings and such I end up talking to one hell of a lot of them
Just talking out of the ass. Just replace cool with good.
Reminds me, I'm often wondering how japs would do with polish. Must be a bitch to speak for you guys considering all these consonants
I am not an English teacher, but I know a couple. Based on that and my general perception, Japanese attitudes toward English teachers range from thinking it's cool/glad you're here to teach English to simply indifferent. Japanese don't really give a shit about English teachers. The vitriol and trolling comes from other foreigners, principally online.
This, I mean I couldn't give the slightest fuck about French/German/Chinese teachers over here. I say good on them if they're making money and contributing to the economy. Don't know why it'd be different in Japan.
Well, it does depend a lot on the person.
My first Spanish teacher was a spainiard and could barely form a german sentence. Pupils were climbing the fucking blackboard while we watched a video.
My jaoanese teachers were all nice, but since we all voluntarily took it up, it was a lot more chill. Still, i had the feeling they all tried their best to teach. They also more seemed to just happen to end up as japanese teachers here. One of them also put some effort into pronouncing our language in the past with the l and r thing
Maybe we respect English teachers who take their profession seriously and try their best to make their students better at English.
But it seems that there are so many "teachers" who decided to teach here just to live in Japan.
It's hard to respect people like that.
I've met many more people who seem to like that people want to live in Japan. I bet for most English teachers it's a mixture of both wanting to live in Japan and wanting to actually do their jobs well. But at some level what you're saying doesn't make sense. Think about it. We can't teach English as a foreign language in our own countries. At a fundamental level, the profession requires us to want to live in foreign countries. Do you really want teachers who DON'T want to live in Japan teaching you English here???
Yes I was just going to write that
It seems (>>>>SEEMS<<<<<) that there is a lot of people that just abuses the teaching visa to just to be able get here and fuck about for a year and barely giving more then bare minimum during work hours
Is that really the case with language teachers in other countries?
>We can't teach English as a foreign language
There are other ways to come, live and work in Japan, but a lot of people think it's easy to teach us English and use it as a ticket to Japan.
That's what I assume a lot of foreign tutors do when they come to Australia, why is the fact that they want to live in your country a bad thing? It's much better than if they didn't.
I think he means that the unqualified and undedicated native English speakers who teach English just for working visa are hard to respect.
They don't care about teaching and students, just want to have fun in Japan for a couple of gap years.
>why is the fact that they want to live in your country a bad thing?
I didn't say anything even remotely like that.
All I'm saying is that if they are teaching English, they should be serious about it.
Germans are cool? hmm..
it's certain that German "language" is so cool though...
a few days ago I did post at /deutsch/ in German, but no one believed that I'm real Japanese
even though they saw my awful English
and they said to me "you have to show your passport or some such thing"
(well, certainly they're cool in a sense)
so, I'm considering to get a passport, I never go to overseas tho
You can't just say some random thing hoping it slips by because you emphasize the word seems.
If something seems to you a certain way, there should still be a reason. So what something seems to be to you can still be evaluated. Your impression of something is perfectly capable of being called intellectually irresponsible or plain wrong.
And it's both in this case.
And I don't even know where to begin with the bare minimum part. Like, when you have a job, you are paid to do that job. If you're doing what is required of you, why should that be faulted. If an employer pleases to require more, then they can do that and seek people who will do it.
That should never reflect poorly on the person employed in the position. If someone wants to do more for free, that's wonderful. But that doesn't mean people who don't are bad people or bad teachers or whatever.
Anyway, you might try teaching for a year and see if things still "SEEM" that way to you. People who are not teachers have all sorts of criticisms of teachers that are always way off the mark. I am not even sure what the bare minimum is, but I guarantee you that if I get an email on Saturday night when I least feel like engaging with my job, I suck it up.
Any teacher would, because it is way worse to be unprepared in front of a class of 12 year olds who have no fault in the situation.
Immigrants to a country don't need to take classes to learn the language. They do much better just living their lives and will always out pace anyone taking a class in terms of their progress in the language.
Also, they can rarely afford classes.
I want to believe
>getting a passport just to prove you're japanese on a nigerian window cleaner board
>All I'm saying is that if they are teaching English, they should be serious about it.
But you don't really know of anyone who isn't serious do you?
>I think he means that the unqualified and undedicated native English speakers who teach English just for working visa are hard to respect.
>They don't care about teaching and students, just want to have fun in Japan for a couple of gap years.
Yeah. What I am saying is that such people don't exist to the extent people think. This whole thing is a byproduct of the rampant trolling that goes on here and in similar places on the internet.
The vast majority of English teachers in Japan are qualified and educated. The vast majority teach English as a foreign language as their career. They do nothing else and won't do anything else until they retire.
This is basically a huge strawman. Yes, the idea of an English teacher coming to Japan to fuck around and who doesn't actually give a shit deserves no respect and is a joke. But DO THESE PEOPLE ACTUALLY EXIST??
Show me who they are.
There are a lot of Japanese teachers who teach Japanese to company expats, foreign students, manual laborers, and those who married to Japanese.
I said immigrants because I assumed that there are lots of people who migrate to English speaking countries without knowing enough English. I also hear that a lot of them stay that way for years.
Anyway there are lots of ways to teach English in English speaking countries.
I'd expect those who teach English in Japan to earn that sort of experiences before coming to Japan... for at least 2 years or something. Like the case for other professions.
Jesus christ, starting to think I am getting baited
I have already given reasons as to why I have gotten that impression
One thing for sure is that there is at least a general understanding in that not everyone that comes here to teach English do so because they are so in love with teaching and having a profession riddled with those kinds of people is not exactly beneficial towards its reputation
Literally the only reason I got mine m8
>paid the government money to get a passport just to impress people on a kazakh oil rig workers' union notice board
>then decided to go to new zealand
That 本 looks weird. Do Japs really think that looks fancy? It's retarded and hard to read.
Unfortunately no one is born with experience. Teachers have to train somewhere. So if everyone thought like you, then new teachers would never get jobs.
Setting that aside, if you have a problem with people being hired for teaching jobs that require no experience in teaching, your issue is not with the people who take them. Those people could actually become quite good at their jobs with a year of experience especially with some guidance. Your issue is with shitty JAPANESE companies and the foolish people who keep them in business.
>get motivation back to learn japanese
>go and try to read LNs again
>go decently well a couple of pages in
>man I'm not as bad as I thought i was
>read a few more pages
Every time. Then I stop trying for a couple of weeks as my motivation is gone. Once I get past the first milestone I feel like this will stop happening.
>not everyone that comes here to teach English do so because they are so in love with teaching
If even 20% of the people in the world felt this way about their jobs, you'd be on to something. But actually most people do their jobs because they have to pay bills. It's not as romantic as "this is my passion" but that's how it is. So do we stop respecting shop clerks and garbage men who have higher aspirations and are not in their dream job? Why do English teachers in Japan get bashed if they use this job as a stepping stone or as a way to pay bills but not shop clerks, garbage men, office workers, bus drivers, etc?
>Teachers have to train somewhere
They can volunteer. Or degree specifically in teaching English as a foreign language.
>with shitty JAPANESE companies and the foolish people who keep them in business
I hate them too.
Also I don't like that our government is issuing the work permit to those who don't have enough experience in teaching.
Japan is short of computer programmers as well, but people with no experience won't be able to come and be a programmer here.
Why should English teachers be treated differently? The whole system is making the English teaching profession "something anyone can do."
"Am I imposing?" って日本語で言いたいです。
英語では、"I don't mean to impose..." か "I'm not bothering you, am I?" って言えります。
Every time you study, you know more than you did last time. Take it as slow as you need to. I go through the same thoughts from time to time.
がんばって!I believe in you
>They can volunteer.
If this were a thing, you'd be complaining about volunteers teaching english without experience though.
>degree specifically in teaching English
this is still not experience, which is what you're complaining about.
>I hate them too
they should actually be the only things you take issue with. What you have is people without experience at least trying. And after a year, they will be much more experienced that even someone with a degree in teaching EFL.
You clearly don't have your issues sorted out.
Are you worried about the status of the profession? or are you worried about the quality of education people are getting? or are you worried about people fucking around on free visas? You seem to have no idea.
Post passports from around the world
It's to someone I'm already talking to, so that might not work. I sense they don't want to keep messaging me, but rather than just cut them off or keep talking until they cut me off, I'd like to ask them "I hope I'm not imposing or anything!"
I know they'll be polite and say I'm not, which is fine because then I get to keep practicing Japanese with them. But I have to address it.
Oh come on now
There is a very big detail that you completely forgot in your hiss fit to argue
A garbage bag is going to be picked up regardless of how the person doing the job feels
I am still going to get my pinku sushi regardless of how the shop clerk feels about his job
The bus is still going to go from point a to point b even if the bus driver hates his work
The office guys is a bit of a gray zone but that is the companies problem is it not?
Have you realized it yet?
Tarou pays for his English lesson wanting to get as much out of his hard earned cash as possible and he can either get Experienced Harry or Pillow fucking bob and depending on who he gets decides on what he gets out of his money due to an dedicated teacher obviously being more effective and that is most probably the reason why the students are so fucking blunt when they feel like they have not gotten what they wanted out of the lesson due to to getting pillow fucking bob instead of harry and in turn feeling cheated and then pissed off tarou goes around saying how he fucking hates English because he only get pillow fucking bob all the time, we both knows that bad experiences cement harder then positive ones
Anyway its 10 a clock and its time for tea, see you tomorrow
>this is still not experience
I consider it as a decent experience. I know a lot of college courses include standing in front of foreign students and teach.
A lot of English teachers come here without such experience.
>they should actually be the only things you take issue with. What you have is people without experience at least trying.
You tell me what I think now? Are you a teacher and psychologist?
That's a different can of worms. I happen to believe that you can do an average job at it as long as you are not incompetent. But regardless, if this is the way you want to go, my point is that probably 80% of teachers would be pillow fucking bobs. Not English teachers. I mean teachers all across Japan, Japanese included. Do you think all your teachers would have said teaching is their dream job? If it's about passion, then why all the bullshit about experience? If you have the experience and no passion, suddenly the experience doesn't guarantee a certain standard?
I say that based on logic bro. You said you are annoyed that English teachers have no experience. You haven't shown me that this is true, and I give you the benefit of the doubt here. Although my experience tells me that most English teachers in fact ARE quite experienced. But fuck it, lets say they're not experienced. In that case, it makes no sense whatsoever to hate them. It makes sense to hate the companies through which they get visas and come to japan to teach. So when I say you should only have an issue in that way, I mean that if you were being logical, this is what you would think.
But you're not being logical. You just want to hate English teachers.
>I say that based on logic bro.
Your logic is ignoring the fact that I don't hate English teachers in general.
I specifically said that I hate people who take their profession lightly and use it as their tickets to take themselves to the place where they want to live.
I'm sure you are working with very experienced people, but there are "English teachers" who come to Japan without decent teaching experience.
I think it's okay if they come without teaching experience as long as they take their job seriously and give their best effort. ESL teaching isn't that hard. You don't need to be super experienced to the hang of it.
The people who don't take the job at all seriously and just fuck around I don't like.
Plus, if you are telling me what my issues are, I will tell you yours.
Your issue is that you are taking this all personally.
If you believe you are qualified and experienced enough, why do you care if I hate unqualified English teachers and companies which hire them.
Don't project your insecurity onto me.
>I hate people who take their profession lightly and use it as their tickets to take themselves to the place where they want to live
You're now equating teachers with no experience and teachers who take their professions lightly.
You can have teachers who take their professions lightly and who have years of experience anyway. And you can have teachers who take their professions very seriously despite having no experience.
So, if you are annoyed with people because they take their profession lightly, no problem.
But that has nothing to do necessarily with experience.
Came back because I also forgot to mention one last thing
One reason is also because English teaching is more controversial in general
If a group of business guys sit in a group and someone says "Hey that Ikebana rteacher I had sure was bad!" most people are just probably going to say "that sucks" and move on
If someone said "My English teacher was bad" you would probably spark an conversation since most people in the group could probably relate, and they would probably also bring up their bad experiences due to that being more interesting to talk about which risks having the group come to an negative conclusion about their opinions on the profession
Then we also have another big one and that is that they most probably feel forced to spend their money on it or not really actually wanting to learn it but must to become more flexible which puts them in a bad mood in the first place causing them to be more prone to have a negative experience in the first place
And this controversial nature charges the profession more in the first place then a profession which is just there
Tea is getting cold
You're playing the psychologist here, and we just established that I didn't do that to you. I made a point about what you would think if you were being logical.
>why do you care if I hate unqualified English teachers
cause it makes no sense to hate them. If you agree that your hatred for them is not intellectually justified (that your hate is illogical, and has nothing to do with how respectable and unqualified English teacher is), then we are done.
Okay then. I don't hate them. Hate was the wrong word choice.
How about saying "I don't respect them"?
I'm sure a lot feel of people feel the same way about so-called English teachers in Japan.
But this is the company making the person pay.
No matter how you spin this, it is perfectly possible for the most inexperienced English teacher to take the job very seriously.
As in, John fresh off the boat Eikaiwa whatever man spends loads of time making plans and writing up worksheets and making flash cards or whatever. They're shit because he is inexperienced. But he took his job seriously.
What you're describing is someone being irresponsible (precisely due to his being inexperienced), not someone taking the job lightly. If he took it lightly, a more appropriate story to tell is Richard fresh off the boat teacher who shows up to class hung over without even a pencil. See? Even experienced teachers can do this. Because being inexperienced does not equal taking the job lightly.
>company making the person pay
So, inexperienced teachers have no part in this?
According what you say, if someone's "trying hard" he should be paid even if he suck at it?
It doesn't work that way in other professional fields.
You are just picking on my word choice of "taking it lightly" and talking as if "being irresponsible" is what I meant by it.
I'm sorry, teacher. My English isn't yet good enough to properly discuss this issue with you.
Who don't you respect? Inexperienced teachers or teachers who don't take the job seriously? We already established that I don't care what you think about ones that take the job seriously. Any one who doesn't take their job seriously is obviously not great. But if you don't respect English teachers because they are inexperienced, you haven't made any progress.
Actually it does. You don't stop paying your doctors if you get sick and you are not off the hook for legal fees if you go to jail.
The point is that you are trying to blame the teacher for something the company is doing. It is the company putting inexperienced teachers out there. And people seek out teachers via the company. So even if John the new teacher asks for his 2000 yen at the end of his shit lesson, it isn't him requiring the payment, its his company! Anyway, this is an imaginary transaction. You never pay the teacher. You pay the company! So you're still only really able to "not respect" the company, not the teacher.
To the English teachers here; I'm planning my first lesson for this girl.
Any ideas on where I should start?
Her English skill is very low, lower than my Japanese. Should I speak only in English, or try and explain the concepts in Japanese first?
Any advice would be much appreciated.
If you somehow didn't accurately present what you're thinking, I am sorry. I am treating you as a perfect equal in terms of linguistic ability cause that's what I sensed from you.
But if you managed to say what you think, don't chalk this up to a lack of English ability. Your english seems fine. It's your analytical skills that are on the hook here.
It sounds to me like you're denying the logical possibility of someone being both serious about his job AND inexperienced. This is just not tenable.
inexperienced teachers are as bad as inexperienced doctors. people should definitely stop dealing with them.
I still disrespect people who think it's okay to make money for what they know they are suck at it.
If you're parodying what I've said so far that's cool. But I really do think that the blame is misplaced. If there really are nothing but inexperienced uneducated people teaching English in Japan, I think something has gone horribly wrong. But I wouldn't blame the people who give it a shot. Cause like I said, anyone who sticks with it a year is going to become at least average at it. If it is actually happening, and I don't believe it is, then I am inclined to find companies that allow it more responsible for their irresponsibility than the people they employ.
People who are bad at what they do don't usually know they are. Part of being inexperienced actually is this. If you're inexperienced, you also might not know you are ineffective.
As a general rule, if you aren't a Japanese native speaker, don't attempt grammar explanations in Japanese. Not just because you're bound to make deep mistakes, but also because if you have to explain something in Japanese, it isn't the right level of English to be teaching in the first place.
told her I will go there before noon and maybe we will see each other.
She didn't answer
It all started out from the question why people hate/disrespect English teachers in Japan.
So I said I think it's because there are a lot of English teachers who come without experiences, which could be earned prior to actually teaching in Japan. I think they do so because teaching English is an easy job, which actually isn't. I described it as "they are not taking teaching seriously." Then you interpreted it as "they are irresponsible."
>I think they do so because teaching English is an easy job, which actually isn't.
You think they come cause they take the job lightly, I think they come cause they're allowed to.
>they are not taking teaching seriously
But they might actually take it seriously, and just be underestimating how difficult it is. This is just what. Being human? OK, so they underestimated how hard the job would be. Part of this is probably because of companies that don't require anything to come in the first place (another reason to blame companies, not them). But so what? So they thought the job would be easier. Does that mean they are bad people? No. I think it means they are naive. Not a reason for me to hate/disrespect them. If their being naive about how difficult the job is is enough for you to hate/disrespect them, fine.
But their being naive doesn't mean they don't take the job seriously.
Still, John can work as hard as he thinks he needs to. That means he took his job seriously. Now, he may be wrong about how much he needs to work, but that doesn't stem from his being a bad person or his taking the job lightly. It stems from his inexperience.
I see. Will they understand what I mean if I use your suggestion こんなに話して大丈夫ですか?
I just feel like "Is it okay to talk like this?" could be misinterpreted or too vague. Or is that a set phrase?
Even if I was "allowed to drive a bus," I should not be a professional driver if I wasn't experienced enough to drive with paying passengers on it.
If I started the bus driving job without knowing how difficult that is, there is only one thing I think I should do. Stop driving.
I would be a bad person who doesn't deserve others' respect if I continue the job just because "I'm doing my best" or "show up sober."
Your best bet is to come up with some very well defined and manageable goals together. Manageable given both your abilities, time constraints, etc.
You might learn that without these you will feel like you're going in circles.
I can't stress enough how important it is that everything you do have some small and well defined goal in view. I really can't.
This is probably going to be extremely difficult because you may find that she has no idea what she really wants when she says please teach me English.
You have no idea where to begin because she doesn't either. So work that out before anything. Then plan your meetings around those small goals. Figure out yourself what it will take for them to be met. And don't try to move too quickly through them.
When I say small and clearly defined, I mean SMALL. Like ok let's get you capable of describing foods.
Also praise her every breath. You might think you know how much confidence makes a difference but you don't. Teaching a language is a game of stringing together lies to keep people at it until they actually get good. Don't ever forget that.
Tfw forgot that I have not breakfast bread for tomorrow
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