>>53951626 "Reborn" Christians are just people who have been rejected by their familial cohort or religion. They're broken girls an boys who are either autists or sociopaths. Those who adapt well to Western culture end up in mainstream Christian churches, not meme reborn churches.
>>53951971 You are either trolling or your theological knowledge is equivalent to what an eight year old learns on Sunday in a shack in Alabama. Veneration of the saints is valid according to the Bible.
John 17:22 – “The glory which you have given me, I have given to them.”
Luke 8:43-47 – A woman suffering from flow of blood for twelve years was healed when she touched the fringe of his garment. (Mantle of Elijah)
Acts 5:15-16 – They carried the sick to the streets as Peter came by so that at least his shadow might fall on some of them…and they were all healed.
Acts 19:11-12 – God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul. Even handkerchiefs and aprons he had used were taken to the sick, and their diseases were driven away, and the evil spirits would go out of them.
There are literally dozens of verses that validate the intercession of saints, the holiness of relics, and contrast to sola scriptura. I still think you're trolling though.
>>53952497 Just because others performed miracles does NOT mean that they are to be worshipped, you can look up to them and follow their examples but you cannot worship them for to do so is to worship something other than the LORD which is expressly forbidden
>>53952564 Bavaria is where all the refugees are settling It won't be long before they're bulldozing churches to make way for mosques there
>>53951626 >women in their 20s that are reborn christians loose as hell cunts that see a possibility to pop out children and never have to work ever again
''reborn'' what the fuck does that even mean converting is a lip service do you think any siginifiant brain areas change just because you ''found the light'', no you fucking idiot you're the same idiot person as you were before if anything, newly incoporated customs will take long time before showing some effect, for some areas in life all hope is lost fuck, you christians are retarded
>>53952637 It through grace by faith alone that we are saved, and not of works lest no man should boast
When you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior you are born again into the Grace of God
The reason why Europe is crumbling before your very eyes is because you and countless millions across your continent have turned away from the Lord You are being smote as countless souls have been before
>>53952621 >you can look up to them and follow their examples
That is literally what Catholics do. I hate saying the L word but literally, *literally*, you just described veneration as is practiced by Catholics. You can't just ignore everything that was believed before Martin Luther. All of the early church figures prayed to saints in heaven, including angels and souls of the deceased. Would you like some more verses because you are biblically illiterate and offer no evidence other than Baptist hallelujah bullshit? Okay Billy Bob, I will ablidge:
the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8)(saints in heaven offering prayers on behalf of the saints on earth)
An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3–4)(angels doing the same thing as stated above)
In this way is he [the true Christian] always pure for prayer. He also prays in the society of angels, as being already of angelic rank, and he is never out of their holy keeping; and though he pray alone, he has the choir of the saints standing with him [in prayer]" (Miscellanies 7:12 [A.D. 208]). -Clement of Alexandria
But not the high priest [Christ] alone prays for those who pray sincerely, but also the angels . . . as also the souls of the saints who have already fallen asleep" (Prayer 11 [A.D. 233]). -Origen
>>53952927 Atticus, sleep in peace, secure in your safety, and pray anxiously for our sins" (funerary inscription near St. Sabina’s in Rome [A.D. 300]).
Mother of God, [listen to] my petitions; do not disregard us in adversity, but rescue us from danger" (Rylands Papyrus 3 [A.D. 350]).
"A Christian people celebrates together in religious solemnity the memorials of the martyrs, both to encourage their being imitated and so that it can share in their merits and be aided by their prayers" (Against Faustus the Manichean [A.D. 400]). -St. Augustine
At the Lord’s table we do not commemorate martyrs in the same way that we do others who rest in peace so as to pray for them, but rather that they may pray for us that we may follow in their footsteps" (Homilies on John 84 [A.D. 416]).
>>53953010 I was not raised in any religion. My mother is not religious and my father is a lapse Catholic, he doesn't practice. I just think Protestantism is totally invalid from an objective viewpoint.
>>53953177 Thanks for offering absolutely no evidence to the contrary. I have no agenda. I'm not trying to convert you. I'm trying to express that Protestantism falls apart as easily as it was cobbled together. At least the theology is sound within Roman Catholicism. That's my only argument.
>>53953315 My evidence is the Bible, of which you quoted some and then added your own heretical manipulation to the end
Early practitioners of Christianity are not a source on what should be done, that lies solely with the Holy Bible but I don't blame you for being unable to accept what it actually says since the Catholic Church has manipulated its meaning and added in pagan rituals like worshipping the dead
You've been bamboozled by an institution that has for centuries sought not to save souls, but to exploit people for material and political gain
>>53953484 No it's not how all religions work, it is how many work though that's why you have to rely on scripture yourself and not some priest's interpretation, it's okay to bounce ideas off of people and discuss scripture but don't let anyone tell you what it means because they are infallible (this is what the pope does)
>>53953568 They manipulate the meaning through their homilies during mass and if you question it then they will BTFO you by saying that the pope is infallible and it can only mean what they say it means, rather than it meaning what it actually says
>>53953633 How do you know what it actually says if you read it as it has been preserved by the Catholic Church for 2,000 years? Or does that not matter to you because you read the KJV and come to your own personal conclusion? I'm seriously not understanding how you could think the way that you do. It's delusional.
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