>US interchanges these triggers me

W-why?

american engineering can trigger even the finest of yuropoor engineers

fairly sure this is a screenshot from Cities: Skylines

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>>53928453
It's very easy, that's just a 4 way interchange with carpool lanes as well.

Here's a 5-way. It's very easy, all you do is have to follow the signs.

>exits on the left

JUST

>>53928788
They can't understand it's easy to understand when you're driving, but looking at it as a whole, third person, it's a bit cluttered. But honestly, if it confuses you, you are retarded.

>>53928453
They only look JUST from above. When you're driving at street level, there are of course signs to tell you where you need to go. Very simple.

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Why you have to explain stuff in text?
Like you could just put a symbol/picture and it will be faster to read.

>>53929203
>pictures instead of words
You have to be, at a minimum fifteen with an adult that is licensed to drive.

Children don't drive cars.

>>53929364

>Americans think symbols are more patronising than massive capital letters spelling out information

Smh

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>>53929364
But it will be faster to recognize and read symbols than text.

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These are just. I've made this in like 5 mins and it solves all problems. If there's too much traffic you can just make more lanes.

>>53929635
*just stupid
I think I had a minor brain aneurysm

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>>53929635
Not worth superior American engineering.

>>53929635
Ooor a good old roundabout it's perfect

>>53928788
Of course it's easy, it's made for Americans.

>>53929893
You'd have to slow down too much. Roundabouts are not optimal for highways.

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American """""""""""""cities"""""""""""""

>>53930048
Is it literally impossible to walk to certain parts of the city?

>>53930082
Americans have evolved past the ability to walk

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>mfw the highway interchanges I make in Cities Skylines
No matter what I do, they are ugly as fuck.

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>>53928453
US intersections are autistic at best (especially la)

>>53930116
True. Sidewalks are a thing of the past.

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>>53930082
Maybe there are some over/under passes but it must be really hard. Americans drive everywhere and car culture completely took over, that's why America is full of cities like this. Urban planning at it's worst.

>>53930218
Looks like Mexico from the sky.

>>53930218
Planned cities/neighbourhoods are shit in general 2bh.

>>53930218
How else am I going to get around in Texas?

>>53930218
We have a ludicrous amount of building space in the Midwest, and its cheaper to build wide than it is to build tall

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>>53930048

god bless

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>>53930443
terrifying

>>53930320
You can have really neat planned cities that are made with walking in mind, Arabs seem to have the best projects of this kind but very little is completed. I actually would say that US cities aren't really planned, it's just growing suburbs with the occasional walmart or highway, nobody is really trying to plan it so it's livable. The cities that were more planned are New York or many European cities (mainly the parts that were built during the 19th century).

>>53930048
http://iqc.ou.edu/2014/12/12/60yrsmidwest/

Cincinnati didn't used to be so bad. After WW2, we basically decided to destroy our own cities to build ugly highways everywhere.

For a long time, our cities were very dense and walkable.

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>>53930500

>good urban planning is terrifying to euros

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>>53930218
New York is literally the most well planned city in the world.

Move to the east coast for well planned cities, live on the west coast if you prefer car culture.

>>53930899
>b-but muh old brick streets

>>53930906

LA has nothing on Florida when it comes to cities built for cars.

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>>53930782
Yeah it didn't used to be that bad. IIRC I saw a picture of Denver before it looked like this and instead of the parking lots there were skyscrapers. Automobiles ruin cities.

>>53928453
>Tfw live on the East Coast where most of the ugly super highways are limited to New Jersey
>Tfw I could walk to the next town over if I felt like it
Virginia really is quite awesome

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>>53930930

I didn't even realize europeans didn't use grids until I was in college.

>>53930899
it's not even urban planning though

it's suburban planning. you literally cannot survive without a car.

>>53930987

>>Tfw live on the East Coast where most of the ugly super highways are limited to New Jersey

the east coast includes maryland, virgina and DC

>>53930218
>Gigantic highway cutting the city

Literally why
Having giant highways is normal a country as big as the USA but you don't have to do this

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>>53930977
Yup. This is what Indianapolis used to look like. If only they had continued this way.

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>>53931013

so?

>>53930906
I agree that New York seems fairly well planned, wouldn't call it the best in the world but whatever, good enough. A huge number of US cities have atrocious planning, even on the East coast.

>>53930899
>You can go anywhere without a car
>"""""good""""" urban """""planning"""""" he says

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>>53930500

>>53931013
Cars are cheaper dirt here.

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>>53931115

it's better this way as everyone owns their own home, and homelessness is effectively eliminated since they can't move around outside of ghettos

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Welcome to swindon fuckers

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>>53931000
we use other grids

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>>53931177
>homelessness is effectively eliminated

dude, the us has like 10x the amount of homeless as Europe

>>53931052
DC has the Subway which makes it bearable

I don't understand how someone who lives in a place like Omaha could stand not having a car.

>>53931115
>can

can't*
Seriously it makes sens for the US to use a grid, since the cities were built from scratch you might as well organize them, but the average american city look like shit tb.h now.
Thankfully you have the nature around

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The best part about living in sacramento, is that my grandparents built a 10-lane freeway over what was once a waterfront district of bistros and apartments. Now it's a freeway.

Meanwhile the local trains use track laid down in 1860.

>>53931235
It doesn't matter if you can't see them!

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>>53931238
Omahan here. You literally can't survive here without a car. Carcucks destroyed America.

>>53931235

not anymore due to the migrant crisis

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>tfw living in old small town
gridless and comfy

>>53931235
To be fair only if you discount gypsies and refugee camps. Then it's more like 2x

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>Americans ITT unironically supporting suburban car culture.

>>53931000
They're not that common but you can find some, generally much more thought out than in the US.

>>53931078
comfy

>>53931177
But what triggers me isn't the grid it's the fact there isn't an efficient common transportation system in most of these that doesn't involve a road
As a consequence there are roads cutting the city everywhere, loads of parking lots, unnecessary pollution etc

>>53931238

the WMTA is shit though and the dulles corridor has no transit beyond a single metro line

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Fucking americans and their fucking grids

>>53931350

>giving any shit about pollution, period

stay in europe, sissy faggots like you can't even handle it when a diesel truck passes since it makes your makeup melt off

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>>53931385
barcelona is one of the only cities in europe with lots of grids. and it's still a better city than 99% of american cities because it's actually a livable place that you can live inside of.

>>53931385
but thats Barcelona

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>>53931350

protip: trains take up far more space

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>>53931350
Depends on the place, really. Many cities are starting to remove parking lots while adding more accessibility for pedestrians.

>>53931385
Barcelona is actually a very nice city, don't know exactly how livable it is (I just keep hearing complaints about the tourists). It probably has a decent public transportation system, it's actually very easy to create good public transit in grid cities but this doesn't work in the US because of car culture and privatization.

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>>53931436
>adopting this kind of attitude

I have to go 3 blocks from my house in a few minutes. This thread made me decide to drive instead of walk those three blocks. God bless America.

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>>53931436
>Americans

nuff said

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>>53931350

there are efficient transportation systems there, it's just that they're owned by private companies and passenger transport isn't profitable

>>53931436
>this is what Amerifats actually think

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>>53931529

>>53931467
Barcelona is a shithole dude. Pickpockets and graffiti is fucking everywhere.

There's nothing to see that isn't within 30 minutes walking of one another

>>53931385

better than your garbage

>>53931585
Los Angeles looks much better on the ground.

>>53931493
Y'all need a French or Japanese high speed railway that being said
I was actually surprised to find out the US trains aren't as top of the line and develloped as they are in Europe, I always thought they were since the railroad during the conquest of the West was a big deal

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>>53931350

as opposed to rail lines cutting through everywhere? It's bad enough in shitcago

pic related is what happens when trains inevitably kill someone, traffic stops entirely since trains are fucking massive

>>53931579
New York did used to have awful pollution along the River, but they mostly cleaned it up or moved it to New Jersey, because fuck New Jersey

>>53931617
Not really. Most of it is just houses and strip malls.

>>53931572
>>53931579

>>53931385
Except Barcelona is an extremely well planned city, with lots of options regarding transportation, and you can live your whole life there without using a fucking car.
>walking
>car
>metro
>train
>bus
>taxi
I think there's even an electric train there or something.

>>53931567
I was thinking about common transportation inside the cities, like subway or tramway

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>>53931628

it's because nobody normal takes trains because planes are simply faster, and trains don't service places normal people live (suburbs)

>>53931663
Once again we were talking about the cities so I was talking about transportation from one side of the city to another. Tramway and subway basically

>>53931628
Our train systems were built to last, not be top notch, at least in the parts that train travel is still relevant.

Amtrack for example is just getting new trains after 30 years of using the old shitbox cars that didn't even have bathrooms. The NY subway is one of the oldest in the world and it shows with how decrepit the cars look.

>>53931732
So? London is an absolute shithole too, continental European cities are where it's at.

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>>53931764

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>>53931743
It's not a grid but it makes enough sense

>be american from a small town in the midwest
>lose the driver's license due to some accident

is it over?

>>53931865
It makes literally no sense past the radial roads from the center.

>>53931887

>implying rural people give a shit if they drive with a suspended license
>implying anyone gives a shit about driving with a suspended license

What are the police going to do, arrest you? You'd have to get pulled over again for breaking the law twice.

>>53931663
>train lines cutting through everything
You know, they can go above or below roads, right?

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>>53931628
Planes are faster man. Taking HSR from LA to NY would take way too long.

>>53931887
pretty much, but you'll only lose your license if you do something incredibly stupid like driving dunk.

>>53931935

or you could just run a bus on the existing roads

>>53931887
You get your mom and/or friends to drive you places, so yes, it's essentially over

>>53931385
i guess the code word is density

barcelona feels like it is a city. you can walk around for hours and you're still in the city, you can get lost in that place

that's what separates north american and european cities

>>53931887
It's impossible to lose your license here.

A likely scenario:

>arrested seven times for dui
>insurance rates barely increase, license isn't suspended

>>53931993
>you can get lost in that place
Not a good thing desu

>>53931930
Kek this part is actually fairly organized, good luck in older places

>>53931930
doesn't fucking matter, the entire world raves over how fucking pretty this city is [spoiler]and they're right[/spoiler]

>>53931185
this gave me an anxiety attack

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>>53931981
Or you could do both, depending on your needs.

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>>53931838
Your entire continent is a pollution ridden shithole, dude.

>>53928500
if you're on foot or on a bicycle, wat do?

>>53931385
Contrary to what you might expect, Barcelona is actually super easy to get around. The way they set up the whole public transport system is nothing short of genius.

Alberto laid out most of the info >>53931734, but I want to point out that the buses in question are fucking huge. They can easily seat somewhere between 100-120 passengers.

>>53931628

American railroads were originally built to handle massive steam locomotives which were extremely heavy and required wide turns. Over time dieselization happened and the railroads here bought fleets of smaller, but modular locomotives that could run on all the track their older locomotives could. Which means that there was never any incentive to upgrade lines, beyond allowing for double-stack containers. Freight train speeds are capped at 50 mph as well.

Meanwhile jet planes became big and the interstate system was built taking all potential passengers.

t. train autist

>americans have highways running through the middle of their cities
jesus almighty

>>53932086
They avoid the the shitty parts with all the gommiblocks

>>53932124
Live in a place with good cycling infrastructure.

Fucking easy.

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>>53931280

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>>53932057
>oh john what a wonderful city ! let's go and take a walk, see what we discover
>WAIT WAIT WAIT SUSAN I NEED MY MAP I'M AFRAID WE'LL GET LOST

>>53931937
You could have HSR along the coasts.
LA to NYC would never be feasible.
But Boston-NYC-Philly-Baltimore-DC?
San Fransisco-LA-San Diego?
That would be cool. You avoid the hassle of the airport, and it would probably be faster than taking the plane, too.

>>53932145
There is absolutely nothing to say to defend this tb.h

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>>53932145

back in 1950 it was free money for cities, as the feds paid 90% of the construction cost

of course, with freeways now hitting the end of their lifespans, the feds aren't picking up the refurbishing cost which is why most freeways look like shit now

>>53932144
>capped at 50mph
>diesel
Heresy.

>>53932145
Why not? People live in the middle of the city and need to go to far away places

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>>53932194
There's a reason most west coast cities have garbage public transportation systems.

Imagine living here and seeing a smelly homeless person walking in your neighbourhood.

>>53932219

>see what we discover

what's there to discover other than homeless people and niggers? If I have to leave my car to walk somewhere then I'm not going to shop there

>>53932124
i fucking hate pedal fags

>>53932219
>let's go and take a walk, see what we discover
Last words before they walk into a zone with too many refugees and are never heard from again

>>53932057
But Anon getting lost on a foreign city is a good feeling
One I didn't experience in the USA it was always too obvious where I was

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>america will NEVER have good cities again because carcucks and suburbancucks don't wanna give up their fast food drive-thrus

JUST

>>53932223
>But Boston-NYC-Philly-Baltimore-DC?
>San Fransisco-LA-San Diego?

This would be rad.

>>53932307
>>53932293

So no argumentation then

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>>53932116
God, I love fresh air.

>>53928453
Elndless Finnish roundabouts is pain. I'm glad we are building american like interchanges around Moscow.

>>53932300
Pédale actually means faggot in French f.am

>>53932223
There are plans for an SF-LA train in California but it still wouldn't be as fast as a plane.

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>>53932272
We have things called "ring road".
It's a highway going in a circle around a city. Much better than having a highway cut picrelated.

>>53932333
Tbh f@m cities are moving away from car culture now. Millennials hate driving.

The future is only going to get brighter from here.

>>53932223

It's only feasible now because the airlines are consolidating and want to eliminate commuter and regional routes, since they aren't as profitable as long haul ones. This has led to a massive expansion in bus service.

The problem is that on the east coast, you need to get 13+ states to work together. This is difficult. for example Massachusetts chose to finish the Big Dig rather than connect it's biggest rail lines. In New Jersey, Governor Chris Christie personally killed a much-needed Hudson rail tunnel replacement project. So everyone suffers.

On the west coast, all the railroads are owned by massive freight companies that make all their money serving the ports. Meanwhile, building new track is ridiculously expensive and requires land takes, which is a problem because everyone sues. Also the geography tends to be mountainous, which makes everything ten times more expensive.

>the more you know

>>53932405
nobody cares about your dead language

>>53932358
Going to a foreign city and having nothing planned except "discovering" local culture sounds incredibly stupid and a good way to get ripped off or swindled by Gypos.

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>>53932470
Didn't you hear? French is going to be the world's most spoken language by 2050.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3367012/C-est-impossible-French-course-world-s-commonly-spoken-language-2050.html

>>53932223
HSR already exists in the North East, it's just the infrastructure is really old.

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>>53932300
>cyclists on the highway

>>53932534

and 90% of the speakers are niggers, so whatever your culture was is overshadowed by africans creoles

>>53932272
The question isn't why not, it's why ? Fuck, putting it outside is better in every way possible
Less noise, less pollution where people live...

>>53929635
That's just one of the default interchanges from cities:skyline you thieving balt

>>53932563
never seen that in America
pretty sure thats illegal
and would most likely end in ur death

>>53932470
That's what I like about my dead language, it's MY dead language
I didn't end up with my former master's one

>>53931585
Although I probably prefer denser, more planned cities, I have to say, LA is a really impressive place, nonetheless. They fucked it up so bad they made it right, somehow. Being the world's undisputed capital of culture, entertainment and fun, basically, it's a lot like old Rome. And the weather, too! Fuck me.

Fuck, I miss California.

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>>53932365
w e w

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>>53932437
that's true, the layout of our cities will slowly fix over time.

but modern architecture is shit, so it's going to be dense buildings of soulless buildings. we missed the golden age of the 1700-1900s where buildings were not only built in a good layout, but were also architecturally good.

>>53932623
It's illegal on freeways here.

>>53932670

>LA
>capital of culture

stop

>lot like old Rome

only because it's full of brown catholic shits like italy is. But even then so is NYC

>>53932482
>Not having a map is "having nothing planned"

wew lad

although I understand why you'd think that, there no point in discovering USA cities it's buildings or suburbs

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>>53932145
American cities are fuckhuge.
Compare Houston, population 6.5 million, to Paris, population 12.3 million.

You need the freeway just to go shopping.

>>53932674
Shits on fire, yo.

>>53932670
What did you like about it? Most people hate L.A.

>>53932623
It's illegal on federal highways but on states ones it varies by state.

>>53932670

>Fuck, I miss California.

of course you would, as a european you would be attracted to a state that openly models itself off your country

just fyi california is new spain now, especially LA which is majority spanish. It's fully european and honestly spain can have it all back

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>His city is in the desert

>>53932757
>there no point in discovering USA cities it's buildings or suburbs
Pretty much. The most you'll find is a meme museum or "local culture" center in the larger towns. That or the local bar or church.

>>53932760
Is it because americans are so fat?

>>53932818
is that atlanta?

>>53932670
>because

>LA
>capital of anything other than shitty mexican food

just fyi your culture is actually made in chicago, but filmed in LA. Or was before sacramento cut all the subsidies studios used to get to balance the state budget

t. strategic tax "planning" pro

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>>53932703
>golden age of the 1700-1900s
>1700-1900s

>>53932436
The difference is American cities don't have any historical districts worth preserving.
The only thing our city planners care about is efficiency.

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>>53932881
Yeah

>>53932896

>The difference is American cities don't have any historical districts worth preserving.

why would you preserve anything in the first place?

>>53932896
As it should be.

>>53932852
The cause and effect is up for interpretation.

>>53932421
It could be like 40 minutes or so slower. But you avoid the TSA, you avoid the travel time to and from the airport (which probably makes up for the time you lose), and it's just more comfortable.

I don't want to be the guy shilling for HSR, but it seems like a very nice concept, even though it may not be extremely profitable and requires massive initial investment.

>>53932896
Even aussies have ring roads.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Orbital_Network
Why can't americans be more like australians?

>>53932818
>>53932933

>living in a majority nigger city

>>53931177
>eliminated since they can't move around
Then they're not eliminated idiot, just confined

>>53932436
IIRC, that was the original plan for American cities, but people lobbied to let them come in and cut through/destroy neighborhoods instead.

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>>53932893
FRANCE MENTIONNED

>>53932958

It's pretty obvious that american cities are more spread out because we have a lot more land to use, and thus it's cheaper to move out instead of up

>>53932889
>chicago
>culture
AAAAAHAHHHAHAHAHAHA

>>53932977
Ummm like almost every major city has a ring road here.

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>tfw my city tore down this

>>53932421
cheaper option though, probably?

you also have to consider that travelling by plane is longer than just the flight time

there's
- travel time to the airport
- showing up in early before the flight leaves
- the flight time itself
- picking up luggage if you brought any
- getting to the city

a train takes you from the city center to another. there's no fuss involved

>>53932977
We have ring highways too. But we also have highways cutting across the center, because taking a normal road from the edges to the center would be an absolute nightmare for traffic.

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>>53933092
>and replaced it with this

JUST

>>53933011
Americans are dumb.

>>53933090
Then what's the point of making a road that goes through the centre?

>>53932977
It's usually called the 'inner loop'

>>53932760
Wow France is empty outside Paris

>>53932896
>The difference is American cities don't have any historical districts worth preserving.

Never been to Williamsburg, Virginia?

>>53933148
Because american cites are huge you retard.

You NEED highways through the center.

>>53933143
What the hell
When I think about how people almost riot in France when there's a new weird building somewhere (Seriously a lot of people are pissed at the Défense in Paris for instance) or an old one is going to get destroyed, I can't imagine this

>>53933148
I have no clue, but I imagine it was some architect who thought giant, floating highways through the center of a city looked cool and retro and just went from there.

>>53933208
Or you could simply have effective, first-world public transportation.

>>53933074

chicago is where the jews live, it's where culture is made (after being financed by their cousins in new york)

what does LA have? Lots of mexicans. It's a wasteland of taquieras and taco trucks

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>>53931472

>>53933208
most aren't that big actually. american cities are usually 300 or 400,000 people in the actually city and then a few million people living in post-1960 suburbs spread out over hundreds of miles. they wouldn't have been this ugly and spread out had we not built the highways in the first place. it was the highways which catalyzed suburbia and it is the highways which allow suburbia to exist.

>>53933272
That would require people living in apartments, instead of 3,000 sqft houses on half acre lots.

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>>53929635
>>53932622

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>tfw going to church
pretty nice one desu

>>53930116
Fat cunts

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>>53933239
omaha has been cucked by the car in ways that you cannot even imagine.

this used to be our main post office.

we replaced it with...

>>53933352
Lots of those in the city-proper, I reckon.

>>53933167
We're pretty crowded, not as much as the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and northern Italy tho

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>>53933366
another view desu

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>>53933376
AND WE REPLACED IT WITH THIS


JUST

>>53932752
>hahah catholics amirite guize
>lol brown ppl
Which cold Mid-West shithole do you come from, and when was the last time you saw a Latino person?

>>53932786
It's just a testament to what humans are capable of if they really put their mind to it. Its vastness is simply mind blowing. Being from Oslo, it's pretty much the complete opposite of what my city is. Oslo can be seen in half a day. If you were to drive on every road in Los Angeles, you'd need an eternity and a half.

>>53932814
>>53932889
I can see why most Americans might not be terribly fond of Los Angeles, but I think they at least should stop and consider that a century ago, you'd find virtually nothing resembling a city, whereas now, it's a clusterfuck of the same million bajillion bungalows over and over again, freeways and endless amounts of concrete slabs 19 million people call their home.

>>53933357
Looks like rural Texas

>>53933096
>cheaper option
Maybe in the 60's, you can get plane tickets for cheap nowadays.
Also
>travel time to the airport
The same thing with a train station
>showing up in early before the flight leaves
That's also the same with a train station unless you get absurdly lucky
>the flight time itself
Ummmm, also with a train
>picking up luggage if you brought any
That takes 10 minutes at most here.
>getting to the city
Most airports are really close to cities here in the US. Also there are taxis that go to and from the airport all the time.

>>53930443
It is wrong that I just want to watch that get carpet bombed all to shit?

>>53932405
same here, Pedał

>>53931663
You don't know shit the metro is great, maybe the only good thing about Chicago other than the museums

>>53933239

In the 1960's/70's it was a thing to "modernize" and futurize buildings, and old stuff was seen in a negative light and often removed.

It was really stupid, but you can see brutalism in europe as well.

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>>53932293
>>53932307
>americans are literally too retarded to notice when a neighbourhood gets sketchy and to leave
>too pussy to experience the wonder of a new city without a fucking tour guide
it's a shame you're retarded and can't keep your wits about you like an adult like you would LITERALLY ANYWHERE ELSE

>>53933448
So modern and trendy :DDDD

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>>53933366
>nice
I encountered this one yesterday. Dont know the name though. Somewhere in the village.

>>53933448
>cant_wake_up.exe

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>>53931663
>shitcago

you mean in the fucking suburbs

lol who cares

>>53933545

>cities
>wonder

the word you are looking for here is "fear"

>>53933545
>americans are literally too retarded to notice when a neighbourhood gets sketchy and to leave

Are you saying there are parts of Paris that look like Bogata so it's easy to tell when you've gone somewhere you shouldn't be?

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>>53933582

>>53933530
>It was really stupid, but you can see brutalism in europe as well.

Oh yeah i'm not denying that, but that transformation was, well, brutal

I mean nobody goes to the USA to see pretty old buildings (I guess) but still how come everyone thought it was a good idea

>Europoors intimidated by superior engineering

>>53933582
>>53933639
desu I love the shit out of orthodox churches, very beautiful
I used to drive through the poorer parts of Hamilton just to see them all

>>53933634
no thanks cletus

>>53931764
Trains in a snowy forest area make me hard.

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>>53933695
The Empire State and the Chrysler f@m

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>>53933636
Protip: when it looks like this, don't go

Don't thank me

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I drive through this on the way to work usually

>>53933636
>Are you saying there are parts of Paris that look like Bogata so it's easy to tell when you've gone somewhere you shouldn't be?
But that's how every Euro city works, m8.

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>>53933704
Also was in this one 3 days ago. It is a fucking fortress.

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>>53933593
this is what omaha used to look like

http://dataomaha.com/bigstory/go/revisiting-early-omaha

anyway, the greatest JUST story in omaha is that in 1989, we destroyed more buildings in one year that were on the National Historic Register than any other city in American history. no other city has beaten our record. we destroyed all of the old, brick buildings so that a large corporation could build an ugly building with lots of grass around it. wanna know the funniest part? even though we destroyed half of our city so that they would be happy, in 2015 they announced that they are leaving omaha.

http://journalstar.com/business/local/as-conagra-leaves-omaha-recalls-the-historic-site-lost/article_33a540af-520b-5b90-9cde-33a01f3fa4be.html

>>53932116
Damn China really gives no fucks about breathing.

>>53933859
r e d d i t

>>53933695
>but still how come everyone thought it was a good idea

I dunno, I think they were all obsessed with space travel and efficiency at the time, and those ugly box buildings were often seen in sci fi comics of the time.

and a general rejection of past ideals

>>53933785
Looks like public housing in Chicago

>>53932309
It depends. If i were a gril i'd be worried of getting lost alone in venezia at night.

>>53933756
New York is one of the reason people come, but those who do usually don't do it specifically to see the Chrysler and the Empire State, not like you'd go to some Euro city because of its medieval center
That's what I mean
The Empire State is overrated tb.h when I went there was like 3h waiting to get at the top so I went to the Chrysler, no waiting and it was as impressive

>>53933545
>it's a shame you're retarded and can't keep your wits about you like an adult like you would LITERALLY ANYWHERE ELSE
>live in a shitty american neighborhood
>could literally get shot
>go to europe
>get threatened with a two inch knife

Gee I wonder why I'd not give a fuck

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>>53933206
Needs a brighter glow.

>>53933934
Thankfully there are no girls on the internet so I know you'd be safe

>>53932482
It's great. Much better than having a fucking guide telling you where to go.

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>>53933964
Skip them both for the Top of the Rock

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kek

>>53933457
yeah, okay, i'm not saying that travelling by train is quicker than by plane, i'm saying it's less stressful.

you don't have to show up 1 or more hours before the train leaves the station, and you don't have to go through any kind of security check or think about with getting from the airport to the city center when you reach your destination

most importantly, when you travel with train you can buy your tickets just before entering the train. it's not like with air travel where you have to order your plane tickets one or two weeks before take off because the prices vary so much

it's probably cheaper too most of the time

>>53934012
Next time I guess
First the Appalachian Trail calls me

>>53933859
That's really sad.

Are you Americans familiar with the concept of conservatism at all? You know, taking care of and preserving the things you deem valuable.

>>53933636
Yes. If you walked into it at night by yourself and something happens to you it's pretty much your fault. Then again, the worst that could happen in the intra-muros is you get your phone stolen.

>>53934056
Personally, I've had bad experiences with just 'trusting my instinct' and going to a shitty restaurant with overpriced food while the actually good one was right down the street.

>>53934094
Don't try reasoning with the autocucks.

Generations of anti-rail propaganda and the stagnation of U.S. rail technology at a 1960s level has led to a truly sad state of affairs from which we may never recover.

>>53934124
Depends on the place famillia

>>53934168
That's because you rack disciprine

>>53934091
So that's where Hamilton got its street planer from.

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>>53934124
no, if it's older than 20 years old then we tear it down

famous example: old penn station in NYC

>>53934091
nailed_it.jpg

>>53928788

It's not that it's difficult, it's just a jarring construction

>>53934124
Is there any bright architecture in Norway btw? No offence, but I see your country as a barbaric land up to 20th century which gave nothing to the humanity. May be I am wrong.

>>53934255
The destruction of Penn Station is actually what created the modern historic preservation movement.

They tried doing the same thing to Grand Central a few years later, but backed down in the face of public outcry.

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>>53934255
Here's the new one.

>>53934124
Of course, but keep in mind that Omaha and lots of Midwestern states were going nearly bankrupt and needed to do something to not become like Detroit. It's a sad state of affairs.

>>53934191
>Anti-rail propaganda
Jesus christ, shut the fuck up. Railroads have always been an essential part of the US economy. The Auto industry thrived in the US compared to Europe precisely because of Ford.
>the stagnation of U.S. rail technology at a 1960s level
Maybe because those train cars were literally built to last decades?

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>texas in charge of not sprawling out and having permanently shit cities

>>53934255
You still have the grand central. And honestly, I think having the will to develop and build new things, even if some old ones need to come down, is not a bad thing.

European skylines are immensely boring because they lack that will. Anything that's older than 20 years is considered a historical building and should stay where it is until the end of time.

>>53930263
in what way?

>>53934168
It's probably luck, but i always eat great food in places i know nothing about (but i go to trattorias, fuck restaurants).

>>53934528
What's a trattoria?

>>53934348
>>53934255

There are actually parts of Penn Station that survive underground in pristine condition.

It's a stark contrast between the two.

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>>53934503
"skylines" are lame and don't actually add to the city.

besides, EVERYONE has skylines now. skyscrapers aren't cool now that any arab or chink can buy some slaves to build 50 of them.

i'd rather have many medium height buildings instead of a small portion of tall buildings with tens of miles of one story buildings.

>>53934423
Automakers in the mid-20th century lobbied hardcore at federal, state and local levels to prevent any sort of "soshulist" financial aid/subsidy to rail/tram networks, while they happily suckled at the government teat. It wasn't until the industry literally collapsed that Washington was forced to cook up Amtrak.

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>>53934612
>besides, EVERYONE has skylines now. skyscrapers aren't cool now that any arab or chink can buy some slaves to build 50 of them.

This is what people with shitty skylines think

>>53934612
Nice view from here

>>53934503
Grand Central was threatened with demolition in the 70's because the building had decayed so badley. The wall murals were covered in ash and soot and a woman was killed when a tile fell from one of the ceilings.

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>>53934703
This one isn't the best example.

>>53934503
That's why they should preserve the best of each generation and tear down the rest to make room for new designs and ideas.

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>>53934338
>Is there any bright architecture in Norway btw?
Oh, plenty! Bergen has a lot of really whacky, unique architecture and there are tons of seaside villages along the Agder coast that look nothing like anything you'll see anywhere else. West Oslo is also really underrated.

You have to consider that we were really underdeveloped. Quite poor, too. We'd been cucked by both Sweden and Denmark, respectively, over a period of roughly 700 years. As much as I would like to not blame it on our brothers, it's mostly their fault.

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>Robert Moses wanted to build highways across Manhattan

Thanks Jane Jacobs

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>>53934765
oh please. nyc (and hong kong) are basically the only exceptions because they're the only cities with endless amounts of skyscrapers. for 99% of the rest of the urban world though, skyscrapers are shit. they're just "muh dick" towers for kitsch poor brown people who finally earned some money. i'd rather every skyscraper in my city be broken up into 3-4 medium buildings. you get the proper density, and THEN you build skyscrapers if you need to. for 99% of the urban world, they don't need to. NYC is different because Manhattan has a small amount of space compared to the large amount of demand, so they HAVE to build upwards.

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>>53931436
>White trash are actually this mentally degenerate

Braincells are for sissies I guess

>>53934797

This is essentially what happens now

Part of the reason why people start to get nostalgic about an architectural style once its gotten a bit older (75ish years), almost all the shitty cheap examples of it are gone.

See why victorian architecture came back, Beaux arts popularity rebounded, ect.

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>>53934797
New York gets this absolutely perfect.

>>53934937
it was a joke senpai

being able to comprehend sarcasm isn't for you I guess

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>>53934981

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>>53932436
>ring road
this desu

>>53934612
I strongly disagree. Skylines add a lot to a city. Not that it's the only criteria for what makes a good city. But I honestly don't think any European cities can compete with NYC on any of the others, either.

>>53934797
Agreed. But I think having a unitary style is also nice.

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>>53931628

>I was actually surprised to find out the US trains aren't as top of the line and develloped as they are in Europe

As others have said US passenger trains may not be very high-tech compared to Japan and parts of Europe, but their rail freight transportation is extensive, heavily used, efficient, and profitable.

>>53934652
No they didn't, that's an invention made up by people who like conspiracies. In reality, the Autoindusty was almost entirely privately owned by the time of its peak until it was nationalized after WWI, from which point on it was characterized terrible safety standards, which caused people to stop using trains as they used too.
> Some routes had been built primarily to facilitate the sale of stock in the railroad companies; they were redundant from the beginning[citation needed]. These were the first to be abandoned as the railroads' financial positions deteriorated, and the rails were routinely removed to save money on taxes.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naperville_train_disaster

Before AMTRAK, railroads in the US were reknown for their numerous scandals and for skirting any attempt at government regulation.

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>>53934909
>and THEN you build skyscrapers if you need to.

Literally the thing that makes skyscrappers get build in 99% of cases in the US.

If a skyscraper is economical to build is largly a function of real estate prices. As lots of cities have CBD (central business districts) with pricey real estate, then taller and taller office towers/apartments/condos are the best way to make a return on investment.

And lots of cities in the US besides NYC have large skylines with vibrant downtowns as the result.

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>>53934981
i disagree entirely. almost all of the buildings built in NYC post-1940 are ugly

look at the garbage in your own picture. you've got a beautiful building, and then directly to its right you have some soulless 1970s box building. it's shit. NYC is a quilt of ugly.

>>53935101
Rail industry*

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>>53934909
>they're just "muh dick" towers for kitsch poor brown people who finally earned some money

There are tons of places where upward is the only choice, or the smartest choice.

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>>53935109
>almost all of the buildings built in NYC post-1940
>soulless

pleb detected

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>>53935080
Yep I see that
In the future tho with the speed trains will be able to achieve (few days ago the magnetic Japanese train was tested) it may be profitable even for people and not merchandise, depending on the cost

>>53935230

Looks pretty soulless and uninteresting.

>>53930320
>>53930570
You have it completely wrong

The worst sprawl in the US is bad because it's unplanned and disorganized. Different developers just keep adding to it without any overall growth restrictions or infrastructure

Actually planned US suburbs, called smart growth, are vastly better because they're built around train/metro lines, bike paths, mixed-use residential areas etc.

In the US
Planed: Efficient, dense, low pollution, green, use of space, mixed transportation, walkable
Unplanned: Chaos, crime, slums, sprawl, pollution, disorder, inefficiency, economic loss

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>>53934959
i disagree with your post too. the "good" buildings of today are objectively less attractive than the average buildings of yesteryear. buildings back then were so attractive that today we reminiscence about WAREHOUSES. old, economical warehouses of the past are literally more attractive than billion dollar modern buildings

also, pic related in NYC was torn down because they were considered it ugly because architectural standards were so high back then. nowadays, this building is more beautiful than anything built in the past 50 years.


architectural standards are NOT relative. newer is not better. the styles back then were attained by centuries of study and development to reach certain beauty standards.

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>>53935109
The boxes mixed in with all the old and the new is what makes NYC interesting.\

A city that size with only one style of building would look horrible.

>>53935230
hideous

>>53934988
The fact that a substantial portion of the population sincerely holds those opinions makes it hard to tell when people joke about that. Just makes me worry.

>>53935101
>No they didn't, that's an invention made up by people who like conspiracies.
No, you're thinking of the "Streetcar Scandal"

>In reality, the Autoindusty [sic?] was almost entirely privately owned by the time of its peak until it was nationalized after WWI, from which point on it was characterized terrible safety standards, which caused people to stop using trains as they used too.
Because we're the only ass-backwards country that viewed it as a business and not a public service.

>See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naperville_train_disaster
"Hey, you have to install these fancy signals, and you're gonna pay for it out of pocket. Now brb, gonna go pump shit-tons of tax dollars into your competition"

>Before AMTRAK, railroads in the US were reknown for their numerous scandals and for skirting any attempt at government regulation.
AFAIK, the railways were beholden to 19th century regulations until the Staggers Act of 1980.

I'll certainly concede, railroad companies were conniving, manipulative shits in the early 20th century, when they were ultra-successful. That wasn't the case after WWII, though.