Things you hate about the English language >No negative yes

>>53910922
>negative yes

My little Australian couldn't be this retarded.

>>53910922
... negative yes?

what is that? i'm genuinely curious.

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>>53910922
>(Which can be translated as "nobody is good enough for aids")
Only if you are a non-native would you ever make this mistake.

>No negative yes like si
What in the world do you mean by this?

>>53910968
No?

>>53910922
When will the blonde hair black mascara meme end.

>>53910998
kek

>>53910945
>>53910968
>>53910986

Like "aren't you coming?"
In English you have to say yes I am because yes is ambiguous

>>53910922
>hard to spell
Also this, how is English hard to spell?

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>>53911026
You can just say yes to that and it still makes perfect sense.

>>53911052
No you can't

John said you aren't buying England, is this true?
>yes

>>53911026
no

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>>53911075
Yes you can, that makes perfect sense. How is that at all confusing? Are you a native speaker or an immigrant?

>>53910922
Word pronunciation is invented and there are no rules to know how a word is pronounced. In Spanish, you can always know how a word is pronounced by how it is written, if it has these ` ´ ¨

Spanish is a better language

>>53911026
Right, I get what you're saying now, but I'm not sure if your statement that "si" is unambiguous in such a context is correct. I also don't think your example is very good. Am I wrong in assuming that a "yes" to the question you pose always means "yes, I am coming"? While you could make a case for the opposite meaning making grammatical sense, in everyday language it's simply not used that way.

>>53911075
>yes
means you aren't buying england
>no
means you are buying england

how fucking hard is that

That you are so retarded you have multiple ways to spell one letter and when you pronounce greek names it sounds autistic like since when the fuck Diomedes is Day-o-midis and Zeus is Zus? Why A sometimes sounds like EY and sometimes like proper A? How the fuck you turned W into ''DABLIU XD'' ? Anglos should be murdered.

>>53910922
English has tons of vowels while spanish only has 5.

>>53911249
I dunno how else to write it though. English doesn't have a way to respond positively to a neg question

Didn't you win?
>yes

>>53911214
>>53911276
>muh pronunciation
I find it hilarious when you pretend that your languages only have one accent.

>>53911075
Yes, I am not buying England
No, I am buying England

>>53911196

I think he means that "yes" can be really vague, when someone says just "yes" it can be confusing even if you're getting a straight answer. You have to elaborate or you'll just think like "yes what?" But that's only in certain cases desu

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>>53910922

>>53910968
in french for exemple:
would you like some cake ?
>oui
wouldn't you like some cake ?
>si

>>53911296

There's only five too a, e, i, o, u. Sometimes y is included

>>53911321
what do you mean? There's only one correct way to pronounce Spanish, the only main difference between Latin America and here is z/c/s but vowels are the same

>>53911317
Again, "yes" would always mean "yes, I did win", and "no" would always mean the opposite. Can you come up with any literary examples where this has not been the case?

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>>53911389
No, there are only 5 vowel letters due to us using the Latin alphabet which only has 5 vowels. However English has over 20 vowel sounds which do not get their own letters but instead have to share one letter in written form.

http://fass.ubd.edu.bn/staff/docs/DD/STETS-vowels.pdf

>>53910922
You even used the negative of yes in your first quotation.

my biggest complaints are just that there's so many words that have inconsistent pronunciation, like ration and nation

silent letters like B are also horseshit, why spell doubt with a b if you're not even pronouncing the b

It's not very informative language, in order to say something you need ridiculous amount of words.

>>53911481
This. It's a pain in the ass when eat/It, sheet/shit, beach/bitch sounds the same to us.

>>53911544
To fuck with foreigners.

>>53911552
Which means you can be extremely specific.

>>53911571
You are like andalusians. They write and talk in a different way.

>>53911564
The problem is that the latin alphabet is too ingrained in society, it would be too much of a job to ever change that. So you will have to cope with it.

>>53911458
In litery texts an author isn't going to answer so shortly.

Consider the following
>Don't you have any money?

"Yes" doesn't imply that you do>>53911481

>>53911389

With a bunch of variations in the sound of those vowels

>>53910922
believe it or not this isn't the "yes"'s fault

you are just assuming it is not in-scope

fault for linguistic relativity i guess

in english the yes actually affects the question

that is that takes the negative " did you not do something, becomes have you done something"

not that yes always answers for a question in the positive, it makes the negative proposition into a positive one, such that the negative proposition does not have a negative response in the positive

linguistic gymnastics

>>53911658
Fat fingered a second quote

>>53911386
>>53911026
>>53911075
Ohh, right, I get it now. That is pretty interesting, I didn't know any languages did that.

http://www.tickld.com/x/15-grammatically-correct-sentences-that-most-people-find-impossible

>>53911544

French fuckery

>>53911434

What's the difference in c/z/s

>>53911481
Give example please I'm not sure what you mean

For example, when you see the word "Revenant" (this word came to my attention because of the movie) how do you know how to pronounce it? When I first saw the word I had no clue if the strong syllable was re- or -ve-. Or words like cinema, my sister used to mock me because when learning English one time I pronounced the word "cinema" like "saynema". She still mocks me for this to this day.

>>53911026
Yes (I confirm your statement), I am not coming.

>>53911772
Read the document I linked lazy burger, they even give examples in the first paragraph.

>>53911785
I know you anglos do it the other way around. But this would be the logical answer.

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>>53911695
>Wouldn't the sentence 'I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign' have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before Fish, and between Fish and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and Chips, as well as after Chips?

>>53911772
in Spanish from Spain 'z' always and 'c' in words like "acelerar" sounds like your 'th', while in Latin American Spanish 'z' always and 'c' in words like "acelerar" sound like 's'.

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>If police police police police, who police police police? Police police police police police police.
God fuck this language, how did I ever learn it

>>53911825
Either are fine.

>Don't you like memes?
Though one might think the answers yes and no might be different, culturally they mean the same thing here. In America at least, people assume that no will mean "No, I do like memes." Yes means "Yes, I do like memes." It's absolutely retarded.

>>53911785
arn't you going to cook

yea

the ambiguity is a cultural thing actually

ie, it is a nice way of separating foreigners

>>53911779

ive heard the word spoken before and so i knew how to pronounce it. also i can tell its of french origin, and those words are usually pronunced pretty consistently so i couldve guessed it too

>>53911695

If I was writing a sentence like those though I'd put a lot more commas in

>The horse raced past, the barn fell

which sounds perfectly fine when read allowed. The other ones are deliberately silly and I imagine could be done with any language

>>53911026
>Aren't you coming?
This sentence MEANS
>You are coming, am I correct?
To which you respond
>Yes[, I am coming.]

>>53911779
I knew because it looks like Reverent, so I figured it'd be the same.

>>53911874
He said English language, not every language on earth.

>>53911924
That's wrong though.

It's: "The horse, which was raced past the barn, fell."

>>53911915
>>53911940
well this is what I mean, in Spanish we have rules, and just looking at how a word is written (usually if it has the little ticks on ` ´ ) you can know how it is pronounced.

>>53911911
The same problem exists in Dutch desu.

Ga je niet koken?
Go ye not cooking?

>>53912016
>and just looking at how a word is written (usually if it has the little ticks on ` ´ ) you can know how it is pronounced.
What a terrible language. There is no fun in that.

>>53912060
so you have fun by guessing how words are pronounced? Wow, you must be a really fun person. Funny thing, even if we have these rules, anglos speaking Spanish still can't pronounce the words correctly.

the single affirmative for both negative and affirmative question changes the nature of the negative question

a lot second language english learners will wonder whether or not the negative question is the same as a regular question

arn't you hungry, are you hungry

for most people of native persuasion aren't you hungry is the same as are you hungry to answer yes to both as being hungry and the answer no to aren't you hungry is always (assumed to be) not hungry

so is there a way to mean are you not hungry to answer yes to mean not hungry, not really,

no, i am not hungry is the proper answer and yes i am not hungry to "misinterpret" the question

>>53912114
That is ok, no foreigners pronounce English correctly. You all keep your own accents and just speak with that.

>so you have fun by guessing how words are pronounced? Wow, you must be a really fun person.
My life is very exciting. :^)

>>53911964

That's deliberately misleading though, a sentence like that would never be found in common speech or in a book.

>>53912016

English has a huge number of French loan words that have kept their original spelling and changed pronunciation, imagine if Spanish had 30% of it's language taken from German along with its original spelling

>>53912164
Do the english pronounce english correctly? Because they can't pronounce spanish correctly and it has rules, it must be a shitfest of guessing to live in an english-speaking country.

>>53912177
>That's deliberately misleading though, a sentence like that would never be found in common speech or in a book.

They're not meant to be, they're just grammatical quirks.

>>53912145
so in english there is a negative affirmative

are you not x, no (implying yes not x)

>>53912217
>Do the english pronounce english correctly?
We technically have no correct English accent as our language is not proscriptive like Spanish and French.

>>53912164
but I can literally speak like an American, and I'm not even joking. I would have to be exposed to British English to speak like you thought. And it's nowhere near to you anglos speaking Spanish...

Gendered pronouns :^) Come on guys, it's the current year.

>>53912297
>but I can literally speak like an American, and I'm not even joking.
Americans cannot speak English properly.

>>53912217

There is no correct English, different English speaking countries have different pronunciations for different words. We have no central language authority

Arent you going to cook?

Correct.

>>53912342
Apparently Sweden invented a neutral alternative to the gender pronouns in Swedish.

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>>53912177
We solve this by either chaning the spelling or the pronunciation. Spanish has a lot of english loean words but they rarely retain the english pronunciation if the spelling isn't changed to force it.

For example, we write lider instead of leader. Futbol instead of football. Though those are silly examples and everyone would know how the pronunciation without the change, this doesn't always happen. I bet there's not a lot of spaniards who know that the ut in donut isn't pronounced like oot.

Latin americans and specially mexicans are often more faithful to english pronunciation though.

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Too much redundant shit needing capital letters.

>mfw weekdays and dates

>>53912407
We refer to male and female as the (de).
Genderless is referred to as it (het / 't).

>>53912388
Yes means will cook

correct has to do with the assumption of are you thinking about cooking

haven't i seen him before
correct

(yes you are right to wonder about the familiarity of his face)

>>53912448
But those arent gender pronouns I guess.

>>53912427
well, don't learn German then, every noun starts with a capital letter

English is pretty simple and straightforward for the most part if you're a foreigner. The quirky bullshit is so us native speakers can maintain a culture of our own.

>>53912485
Yes xir, don't forget to prep the bull :DD

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>>53912164
>That is ok, no foreigners pronounce English correctly. You all keep your own accents and just speak with that.

Not far off.

>>53912522
I never heard a non-native speaker say something like "we din du nuffin" or "u havin a laff?". That separates the fluent native speakers from foreigners with their laughable English skills.

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>>53912407
Which they got from the Finnish "hän".

>tfw we were more progressive than Sweden all along

>>53912415

We have a mix of these though, French words that came with the Normans have changed pronunciation

>pol - a - TEEK -> POL - i - tick
>e-conno - MEEK -> E - kin - o - mick
>sje - neh - RAL -> GEN - e - rill
>im - poh - SEEB-l -> IM - poss - e - bill

yet kept their original spelling because the French way was how they were originally pronounced. The biggest hurdle for making a standard English spelling is simply the huge amount of countries that use it, try getting Yanks to follow a British Language Academy or visa-versa, it's impossible

>>53911611
Andalusian here. No, we don't write different to the rest of Spain. Only uneducated people write different (but it's not a geographical thing, it's just that they can't write properly). We also have several different accents, but most of them (mine at least) is still consistent with the spelling. Example: words ending with -os/-as aren't pronounced with an s, but with an open vowel.

>>53911481
>the Latin alphabet which only has 5 vowels
No, letters can be whatever the fuck we want them to be.

t. Welsh 'w'

We can also add letters if we need more, because we use an alphabet derived from Latin, not the Latin alphabet.

t. Every 'w'

>>53912407
Finnish doesn't have them at all
t. genderless pro

>>53912660
Finland even had a female president. When will Sweden have a female king, huh? You even PC bruh?

>>53913363
>When will Sweden have a female king, huh?
Uhh, like three centuries ago, shitlord.

>>53912164
No one can completely fake another accent unless they are bilingual from a very young age